"It began, as it so often does, with a drum circle"
New York magazine reports, hilariously, on internal tensions within Zuccotti Park. Sample:
"They're imposing a structure on the natural flow of music," said Seth Harper, an 18-year-old from Georgia. "The [General Assembly] decided to do it … they suppressed people's opinions. I wanted to do introduce a different proposal, but a big black organizer chick with an Afro said I couldn't."
To Shane Engelerdt, a 19-year-old from Jersey City and self-described former "head drummer," this amounted to a Jacobinic betrayal. "They are becoming the government we're trying to protest," he said. "They didn't even give the drummers a say … Drumming is the heartbeat of this movement. Look around: This is dead, you need a pulse to keep something alive."
The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. "Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places," said Engelerdt. "We're like, what's going on here? They're like the banks we're protesting."
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Wall Street is War Street? What does that even mean?
KKKAPITALISM = WAR! WAR IS NOT MY VOICE!
It's like...dude!
It's spelled "capitalism".
So there was no war before capitalism? Huh. Maybe I better rethink my entire political and economic belief system.
There was no liberty before capitalism. I'm pretty sure you had it right.
Liberty to kill? Liberty to steal? I have nothing to lose but my chains, you bastard!
And your tips.
I was wondering the same thing. Probably part of the idiotic far-left meme of war being caused by capitalism (whose definition, when pressed, extends to everything but precisely the untried system of the leftist with whom one is arguing).
Never mind that free trade creates more peace than these imbeciles could ever imagine....
Unless we're talking about oil, of course, which is pretty much the biggest underwriter of "free market" bullshit in the world.
Considering you wouldn't even have that computer you're typing on if it weren't for oil, you're really in no position to complain.
Don't you mean "The Glorious People's Computer"...?
I'm not sure I have any clue where the "free market" is in oil - particularly in the middle east.
Shieks want to get rich off of it, so they control it, oil companies want exclusive distribution rights, consumers want subsidies... and everybody gets what they want.
Nowhere in there is a free market...
By george you're right!
Sure, all companies want to have control over the distribution of the commodities they sell. The problem is that they can't stave off competition, and the competition always wants a bigger piece of the pie. Even within OPEC, there are tensions about the production quotas they set for oil, it wouldn't take much pressure for it to crack and member countries to cheat. And OPEC isn't the only source of oil, so the other suppliers will compete for the biz.
I'm almost positive that Communist country's need oil too.
The only (generally) legal commodity less freely traded than oil are the rare earth minerals that are used to make Prius and iPhone batteries.
"It began, as it so often does, with a drum circle circle jerk"
"They are becoming the government we're trying to protest." Yeah, no shit, Junior. Glad you're figuring that out an an early age.
The lulz are strong with this one. Well done and thanks, Matt!
Each day I think "I don't think the OWS stories could get anymore ironic." And each day I'm proven wrong.
The one from TPM yesterday about REAL WORLD: OWS that Mtv is planning was great. You could almost see the tears in the author's eyes through the screen.
If you want me to support you, or even come take a close look, you won't have a bunch of g.d. drummers banging away. A drum circle to me is just like a car plastered with political bumper stickers--an excellent reason to avoid contact.
Easy marks.
Awesome. I wonder if any of the people involved will learn some lessons about capitalism vs communism.
Next time we'll get communism right.
Like, once the Drummers are in charge.
At least Stalin had the gulags to send dissenters and their families to. Cut way down on public demonstrations.
Did you hear about the bass player who locked his keys in his car?
It took them three hours to get the drummer out.
Who's the head on the dress in the middle?
Good question. Who? Anyone we know?
The guy to the left of her appears to be this douchebag with a trust fund: http://hotair.com/archives/201.....rust-fund/
I don't know but the hand of the guy next to her is probably destined for her purse.
I can think of better places for it to go.......
I though it was Alice Cooper or maybe Neil Young had lost wieght. I thought the trust fund dude was the same guy that did the "leave Britney alone" rant.
Bob Dobbs?
Pretty sure it's Elvis.
Who's the head on the dress in the middle?
Don't know.
But I'm sure John would hit the thing holding the sign.
Dude. Harsh.
The porno version would be called John Commentor's The Thing.
+69
I missed this one. That is a low blow. And totally untrue. But well played. I suppose you have to think that of other people. Better to take attention from the fact that your ideal of beauty is Justin Beiber.
Appears to be using the same material as this dress. If so, Elvis.
Che?
Bowser from Sha Na Na?
I went to a Black Angels gig the other night. The drummer chick was great.
Rape, murder, cannibalism, chaos; these are inevitable absent a vibrant drum circle culture.
Give the drummer some (say).
At least it's interesting that a few people are actually protesting the government. Maybe they didn't get the email.
Smack them bitches up?
Can a drummer get some?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ata_player
Sweet, thanks for posting!
I don't consider neo-hippies banging bongos to be drummers.
This guy was a drummer. He was also a complete dick. If I could do that when I was 61 years old I'd probably be a dick about it, too.
Still no papier mache Obamas?
Not until Michael Moore gives the go-ahead for violence against the rich people.
The amazing thing is that the drum circle apprently rakes in $150-300 a day in tips.
There are honest, quiet alcoholic panhandlers in NYC who could have used that money!
And their own people are taxing them 50%? And they give it to them?
And their own people are taxing them 50%? And they give it to them?
It's like an imbecilically stratified sub-sub-society made up of nothing but thousands upon thousands of imperiously pouty and demanding Tonys.
[::shudders::]
Don't complain. If they raise the tax rates high enough, the drummers will stop drumming. Or move to a low-tax protest.
Also amazing that they would pay a "tax" to the organizers. Why not tell them to fuck off? Or why listen to their restrictions on drumming? If they can't even resist "organizers" with no monopoly on force how the fuck are they going to resist the government?
They take their fealty to democracy seriously. The group told them to stop playing, so they did. The group told them to give up half their money, so they did. They have no interest in resisting the government.
"Wall Street is War Street" is obviously a reference to defense contractors, and their evil manipulation of kind, generous, decent people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
The Ascended One would never use his noble position as savior of humanity to assassinate greasy brown foreigners if General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman hadn't secretly installed that chip in his head.
I thought K Street was War Street?
It was, initially, but the protesters got lost in DC trying to find it.
They they had to choose a location where there were better opportunities for alliteration. And it is a well known fact that alliteration and rhyming are critical to the effectiveness and validity of a political movement.
There is one thing that I agree with Tony about, we both hope this protest keeps going on for a very long time. Tony thought thinks that this will create a Sweden, I think this will create something out of the movie "Cannibal holocaust".
"Swedish Cannibal Holocaust"!
Is "SCH" out on blu-ray yet?
Lord of the Flies - on display at a park near you
"In my professional opinion, we're looking at a full-blown hippie jamfest the size of which we've never seen."
Stilgar, do we have drumsign?
fucking coffee RIGHT OUT MY NOSE!!
Don't you know the procedure? Sip, swallow, read.
Don't you know the procedure? Sip, swallow, read.
Not Dune-y enough. Let's try: "Drink in through the mouth, exhale through the nose. In the deep desert you can lose upto 50% of your coffee per day by spewing it out of your mouth."
"Yeah. You know, I had a guy in Jackson county. He had a little drum circle in his backyard. It turned into a drum circle four miles in diameter. You get a few hippies playing drums and next thing you know, you got yourself a colony. "
Need some Death Metal to save the day.
Won't be long until they kill Piggy.
Wish, command and all that . . .
\m/
I honestly don't get the big deal about Gojira. To me they are slower, even more boring Meshuggah.
Speaking of Ouroboros.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbjSgbyoS-c
I've designed a vehicle that can bore its way through even the densest hippie crowd. The pilots inside will be safe from the pot smoke and the crappy music outside.
We'll need a scientist, an engineer, and a black guy to sacrifice himself in case anything goes wrong.
Don't look at me. I'm still waiting on my 40 acres and a mule.
That is why you have to call the exterminators as soon as you see one. You can't wait.
You know, we're joking here, but OWS has followed thelot of "Die, Hippie, Die" shockingly closely:
1. A few hippies show up around Sept. 17, and set up camp.
2. A few extreme voices notice the threat, and shout about it. They are ignored, and the hippies get to stick around.
3. The college know-it-all hippies drag more hippies into the park.
4. The Mayor encourages the protesters, saying "they aren't harming anyone and they'll bring money to the town."
5. The hippies grow so numerous and disruptive that they obstruct the city (shutting down the Brooklyn Bridge here).
6. The hippies hate "the corporations," and want, like, "a commune where everyone just helps one another, man. Like, one guy could keep people safe, and another could make bread!" (OWS's kitchens and Security Group) Sane people point out that it's called a town, and it already exists.
Now we just need to drive the hippies away, and for Bloomberg to shoot himself in the head (and survive of course, just with a funny head wound.)
So, what we need are some loudspeakers and a Slayer CD.
Still waiting for SP to mock these asshats...
I tuned in on Wednesday night and was dissapoint.
It will come. Matt and Trey cannot resist mocking, and the OWS movement is ripe for the pickin's.
Per this comment, they apparently already did, years in advance.
Anybody else amazed at the idea they pulled in 500K?
Yeah. Anybody else amazed so many gave them their "tax?"
The IRS might be interested in that - I assume they do not have a 501(c)(3) formed, so the question is who gets all that money? Under Glenshaw Glass, income is "any undeniable accession to wealth, which is clearly realized by the taxpayer, over which the taxpayer has complete dominion."
Someone received thousands of dollars to do with as they choose. That's income. Unless they're tax-exempt, someone owes income tax on it.
And they should have no problem whatsoever paying their fair share and more!
That is a great point. And I don't think you can retroactively get a 501(c)(3). I think you have to get the designation before you raise the money. I am not a tax lawyer, but I don't think you can raise a bunch of money and then declare yourself tax exempt and get to keep the money tax free. The tax exempt status has to come first.
I assume they do not have a 501(c)(3)
Well, that would be a corporation, so I would hope not. And forming a corporation to shelter income would be a double betrayal of what passes for their principles.
And just where is this money? Somebody has authority over whatever account its in, and I doubt the signature card says "any hippy who wanders up to a teller window."
Apparently, they do have a 501(c)(3).
Section 501(c)(3) organizations are subject to limits or absolute prohibitions on engaging in political activities.
This is starting to become like that trick when you hold up a mirror to a mirror and you get reflections into infinity.
I think in proper George Saunders style, the protests will not be halted by jackbooted police with truncheons and firehoses, but by teams of IRS auditors asking them all to fill out retroactive forms for the amount of veggie burritos they gave away, because all this economic activity falls under the commerce clause, and apparently they never noticed the NYS regulation regarding 501c class organizations dispensing food outside of a qualified religious or municipal institution or not within 500yrds of an affiliated...
basically, "hoist", as the bard said.
So, we've figured out how to get self-described libertarians to rub their hands with glee at the IRS's meddling.
Equality before the law is no vice.
Pointing out that statists were hoisted on their own petard isn't exactly hypocrisy.
Arrrg!! You already used the hoist reference... crap
p.s. there is no "hoisted", only "hoist".
Also, not "on". "With". Petard = "bomb", or 'device by which you mean to do others harm'...
Doesn't $500k put them in the 1%?
Seriously, I'm beginning to think this whole clusterhump has been infiltrated by pranksters.
They've got a General Assembly now that is taxing tips and repressing interviews? Holy moly, if I had infiltrated this thing, I don't think I would have even thought of that.
The authoritarian runs deep with this crowd. And the submission. Why the fuck did the drummers cough up their dough? Why do the Occupados meekly agree not to do interviews?
Pathetic.
Even at protests the fear that somehow, someone is having a good time has been keeping them up at night.
Good question. I would have told them to fuck off. What are they going to do about it?
Liberals love Teh Authoritah as much as Team Red does.
I have a lot of redneck relatives who are definitely team red who would put lie to that statement.
Why the fuck did the drummers cough up their dough?
Ex-frickin-zactly!
Why the fuck did the drummers cough up their dough?
Because they're pussies conditioned to submit to authority.
The authoritarian runs deep with this crowd. And the submission.
"Hope! CHANGE!!!"
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Nextime Jack, write a god*amn memmo.
"When he reached the Wall Street, Cortez ate some hippies. As a result the drum circle was well motivated."
"We're like, what's going on here? They're like the banks we're protesting."
WRONG- They're like the government they want to bring about, taking 50% of your wages without consent.
No shit, I don't ever remember having a bank or banker confiscate any money or property.
The money being taken was not a loan. They are not being foreclosed on daily for 50% of their wages.
You mean they took have of what you made in taxes? That doesn't sound very "fair". They should have taken it all as you would have just squandered it away on things want and need. Give them time.
or half
"They didn't even give the drummers a say ... Drumming is the heartbeat of this movement. Look around: This is dead, you need a pulse to keep something alive."
Since the presence of drummers in any given protest movement seems directly proportional to its want for coherent ideas, I'd say this is pretty accurate.
That dude posing on the left looks a whole lot like attention whore & trust fund baby Edward T. Hall III
Um, doesn't this sound a lot like a Libertarian Party Convention? You know, where order arises spontaneously? Or not.
Um, doesn't this sound a lot like a Libertarian Party Convention? You know, where order self-appointed authoritarians arises spontaneously?
I would say, not.
The chant at a Libertarian rally is great. The leader shouts "SHOW ME WHAT LIBERTY LOOKS LIKE!" and the crowd just ignores him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOUCO5qHGKg
At least there's no GD "human microphone."
Re: Anal Vanneman,
It looked more like a Communist Party convention, where the self-appointed jefes extor money from the "voluntary" members.
Or like a union convention.
In the good old days, Donald Segretti would be out there causing mayhem. With all the phone/cameras etc., he would be found out right away today. I miss the good old days.
+ All the President's Men
Meet the new boss...
If this movement gains in real political legs, it's going to be in spite of these nerds, not because of them--they're a real-life parody of every goon that posts on Reddit, Gawker, and Something Awful. How pathetic can these people be that they're arguing over the proper role of drum circles?
Who's with me?
I am the 99%
I would also point out that it appears from the picture that "Wall St. is War St." woman seems to shave her armpits. These are not hippies! They are who we thought they were!
To Shane Engelerdt, a 19-year-old from Jersey City and self-described former "head drummer," this amounted to a Jacobinic betrayal. "They are becoming the government we're trying to protest," he said....
The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. "Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places," said Engelerdt. "We're like, what's going on here? They're like the banks we're protesting."
Well, which is it then? The government or the banks?
Well, which is it then? The government or the banks?
It is getting hard to tell the difference.
Uh, no, it's still pretty easy. One asks, the other doesn't.
It would appear that he's never read Animal Farm.
Upthread someone asked when South Park was going to take on OWS. The first idea that came to my mind was a reteling of Animal Farm using OWSers.
"Some of the 99% are more equal than others."
Lord of the Flies is closer
I wanted to do introduce a different proposal, but a big black organizer chick with an Afro said I couldn't.
Welcome to participatory communism.
I hope you enjoy it.
What he really wanted to say: "And then some Aunt Jemima..."
Yup/. This is going to be comical.
The very first blog I ever read on the web, way back in the 1990s, was written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a lot of fascinating stories about his time living in a commune in the 1960s. This article is pretty apropos:
"What if everybody...?"
One of the very first blogs I ever read on the web, way back in the 1990s, was written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the 1960s. This story in particular seems relevant:
"What if everybody...?"
That's racism, straight up.
That's racism, straight up.
Fucking racist squirrels, too, just trying cover for the racist elements of this racist magazine.
"A lot of people are like spoiled children." The cure? A cold snap. "Personally, I cannot wait for winter. It will clear out these people who aren't here for the right reasons. Bring on the snow. The real revolutionaries will stay in -50 degrees."
The real revolutionaries with no actual homes to return to, anyway.
God I am hoping for a long cold wet winter this year.
It's starting to get a little chilly here. It's coming.
I wonder how the OWS types will like it when the Central Committee starts seizing and redistributing their blankets.
What these people need, obviously, is a Facilitator-in-Chief, who will establish order. Temporarily, of course. Only until true unity of spirit has been obtained.
No. What they need is a directorate and a committee for public safety.
I'm up for the tough task at hand.
The, "drum circle gulag" comment made yesterday was in fact a Nostradamus-like channeling of future postings. That, or Welch is just biting our style, and writing commentary tailored specifically for our sense of humor.
I am not sure the 18yr old would grok the "jacobinic" reference, fwiw. As mockery, it's cute, but still almost gives them more credit than is due in the "revolution" department.
Cyborg, time travel.
"Let's play our music according to the Socialist doctrine!"
Oh, man. I'm having so much fun with this.
"Government is what made civilization" said Tony, once.
"They're imposing a structure on the natural flow of music,"
Apparently Seth has never seen sheet music before.
That, or Welch is just biting our style, and writing commentary tailored specifically for our sense of humor.
I'm starting to get the sense that there's a dangerously accelerating feedback loop occurring here.
We should work it to a jimi Hendrix-crescendo, if possible.
I'm having a langston hughes conundrum = is this a 'dream deferred' moment?, or a fart in the wind?
I call fart.
Ah, patriotic non-workers, we see people's revolution is led by capitalist running dogs, turned to treason by fascist CIA spies. It is time for heroes of proletariat to rise against them and initiate Cultural Revolution!
Will the purges start before or after the first snow?
Will the purges start before or after the first snow?
The drums fall silent
The Purges have begun
White snow turns red
(Not really the best haiku ever.)
Ick. Just looking at those people in the picture, I can almost smell the B.O. from here.
They have really backed themselves into a corner. At some point people move on and will stop paying attention to them. They are "occupying Wall Street". Okay, you are there, now what? If they go home, the thing is a fizzle. If they stay, people will stop paying attention to them.
No, you imbecile: They're like the taxmen you're NOT protesting.
Fascinating experiment, though. We libertarians always have said that a government is like a criminal enterprise, and now we can see the very proof developing right in front of our very eyes.
Now we see the violence inherent in the system!
(human microphone crowd repeats) NOW WE SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!
"Repeat after me:"
"REPEAT AFTER ME:"
"I promise not to repeat things other people say!"
"I PROMI... uh..."
The Daily Show did a very funny take on this.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa.....11/the-99-
Well worth watching.
Tony would probably say "Wait? The drummers are only paying 50% taxes? They're not paying their fair share! Those rich fat cats!"
Somebody's workin' their way up to the 1%. We have a small group of protesters here... I'ma head down there and levy a tax... for the cause man
Great post from the NY Magazine link, comments section:
Fruitfly
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Drum regulations as recommended by the New York City General Assembly:
1. There is to be no drumming whatsoever from 3:00 to 5:00 am. This time is reserved for quiet reflection on the day's progress and various forms of non-Gregorian chant (jk! But seriously).
2. Drummers cannot be banished from circles simply because their cacophonous beats and unique perspectives refuse to conform to your pre-established notions of drumming ability.
3. Once every hour, for a period of at least ten minutes, marginalized time signatures such as 3/10, 15/7 and 99/100 must be represented. 4/4 meter has been determined by the ethnomusicology working group to be imperialist and is therefore not to be employed.
4. If you have loaned a drum, at this point amnesty has been declared and the borrower now owns that drum. We feel this sends a strong message.
5. Using a drum to make percussive sounds = good! Using a police car to make percussive sounds = not good, despite the several eloquent arguments to the contrary presented ahead of the vote.
6. With respect to volume, gay and lesbian drum types take priority. Snare drums and other percussion instruments that have historically enjoyed hegemony in the Western musical canon should be played at a whisper, if at all, unless played by an assembly-recognized minority or Phil Selway (we're working on it!).
7. Cymbals, which really don't have any place in a drum circle to begin with (excuse my normative judgment), are banned, unless they are official Zildjian cymbals, due to a sponsorship agreement the company has with Radiohead (we're trying everything).
8. There are to be no more Native American knife fights between members of rival drum circles. It draws police attention, undermines our stated preference for non-violent discourse and affirms negative stereotypes of Native American peoples, on whose model we base our own circle drumming structures. Plus, it hardly bears repeating that the hemp rope is held in common and using it to tie your hand to that of your sworn enemy as part of a knife fight to the death qualifies as misuse.
Heh.
3. Once every hour, for a period of at least ten minutes, marginalized time signatures such as 3/10, 15/7 and 99/100 must be represented. 4/4 meter has been determined by the ethnomusicology working group to be imperialist and is therefore not to be employed.
My favorite. This whole thing is comedy. But, it is also very educational. I am not old enough to remember the New Left in the 1960s. And fortunately America has never had anything like the French Revolution. These people, if they ever had any authority or power, really would institute a totalitarian state and start killing people.
Jesus Christ I thought that thing was for real until I got to the knife fight part.
What a spoof, funny though.
""3. Once every hour, for a period of at least ten minutes, marginalized time signatures such as 3/10, 15/7 and 99/100 must be represented.""
How many flags are on a tenth note?
2.5
'back in the day', I used help out with the local punk rock shows. My GF at the time would do all the venue, band searching, contracts, etc with the various agents. I ended up playing bouncer and running the PA.
There was one 'free' venue run by an old hippy that would provide us with a great space. However, we only had 3-4 hours for the bands to play before the drum circle would begin. The horrors of trying to keep the drum-toting hippies out of the place (there was a $5 cover to see the bands) will long linger in my mind.
Ah, now I feel sorry for those drummers. I'm tempted to go down there this weekend and start an alternate drum circle so they have the freedom to choose.
So what's the deal with putting a # in front of everything now? Is this a Twitter artifact? Does it really need to be generally used everywhere?
Yes, it's from Twitter. The @ in front of names is stupid too, since it was already in universal use in email addresses.
Well, fuck Twitter then.
it's becoming a monty python episode...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJBg74WYa-0
In a sluggish economy
inflation, recession
hits the land of the free
standing in unemployment lines
blame the government
for hard times
we just get by
however we can
we all gotta duck
when the shit hits the fan
10 kids in a cadillac
stand in lines for welfare checks
let's all leach off the state
gee! the money is really great!
soup lines
free loaves of bread
5 lb blocks of cheese
bags of groceries
social security
has run out on you and me
we do whatever we can
gotta duck when the shit hits the fan
I can't believe I used to like those guys.
But do you do your best thinkin' on the bus?
You wanna help stop war?
Well we reject your application
You crack too many jokes
And you eat meat
What better way to turn people off
Than to compress ideas of change
Into one more church
That forgets we're all human beings
Some entrepreneurial soul should go down there and start selling squirt bottles with diluted bleach to passers-by so they can disinfect the area.
Wouldn't the hippies just drink it Kitty Dukakis style in hopes of getting a buzz?
If that was the case, I don't think PBrooks would be diluting the bleach before bottling.
Some entrepreneurial soul should go down there and start selling squirt bottles with diluted [concentrated] bleach to passers-by so they can disinfect the area.
forget the bleach.
use sulfuric acid.
Sprayed from fire hoses.
One of the very first blogs I ever read on the web, way back in the 1990s, was called How Can You Laugh at a Time Like This? and was written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the 1960s. This story in particular seems relevant:
"What if everybody...?"
There are to be no more Native American knife fights between members of rival drum circles.
"Wiggle those fingers one more time, motherfucker."
One of the very first blogs I ever read on the web, way back in the 1990s, was called How Can You Laugh at a Time Like This? and was written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the 1960s. This story in particular seems relevant:
http://www.dreamagic.com/bruce/laugh18.html
Wway back in the 1990s, I used to read a blog called How Can You Laugh at a Time Like This? written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the 1960s. This story in particular, which talks about "consensus", seems relevant:
"What if everybody...?"
Wway back in the 1990s, I used to read a blog called How Can You Laugh at a Time Like This? written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the 1960s. This story in particular, which talks about "consensus", seems relevant:
http://www.dreamagic.com/bruce/laugh18.html
Wway back in the 1990s, I used to read a blog called How Can You Laugh at a Time Like This? written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the 1960s. This story in particular, which talks about "consensus", seems relevant. The squirrels won't let me post a proper length, but it's a fascinating read.
dreamagic.com/bruce/laugh18.html
Way back in the 1990s, I used to read a site called How Can You Laugh at a Time Like This? written by a guy named Bruce Madison, a reformed liberal who had a ton of stories about his time living on a commune in the 1960s. This story in particular, which talks about "consensus", seems relevant:
http://www.dreamagic.com/bruce/laugh18.html
I used to read a site written by a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the '60s. This story in particular, which talks about "consensus", is highly relevant:
http://www.dreamagic.com/bruce/laugh18.html
I used to read a site written by a reformed liberal who had a ton of fascinating stories about his time living on a commune in the '60s. This story in particular, which talks about "consensus", is highly relevant.
Squirrels are giving me grief. Here's the link: http://www.dreamagic.com/bruce/laugh18.html
Squirrels are giving me grief. Here's the link:
dreamagic.com/bruce/laugh18.html
Squirrels are giving me grief. Here's the link: www DOT dreamagic DOT com/bruce/laugh18.html
Cant get the link to work. Damn squirrels.
Maybe this?
Thanks. That was great.
He's a great writer. I highly recommend digging through his archives for more great stories like that.
What I find amazing is that there are people out there that don't see this as common sense.
The scenes in Network where the black Maoists are negotiating the TV deal are hysterical and not that far from the truth. It is always interesting to read people like David Horowitz who were real no kidding radicals back then and have reformed.
I wouldn't call Horwitz's move from one extreme of idiocy to the other "reform".
You laugh, but if Congress worked this way we'd all be better off because nothing would get passed.
Not if they could expel dissenting members of Congress.
"I DARE you to wiggle those fingers one more time, motherfucker."
I would say these Occupiers are probably fucked now that Obama has made friends with them. Every time he befriends someone he ends up killing or toppling a regime. He has been practicing his techniques lately in Afrika -- as soon as the William Ayers/Michael Moore wing of violent Occupiers start acting up, Obama will have his Kent State moment. And CSNY will sing his praises for protecting the public.
I am thinking it is going to be at the Democratic National Convention. These guys are going to show up and expect to be let in and run the place. When that doesn't happen, it will get very interesting.
Given Charlotte is a city of bankers, I say 'bring the popcorn!'
I wonder about the degree of overlap between the DNC committee who picked the city and those who are behind this protest. Intentional mayhem? That worked so well for them at the Chicago convention of '68. If history is any indication that means Romney by a landslide (after Obama folds in the Spring -- wishful thinking, but who does he think he is kidding?).
They'll start having their conventions in winter months in Northern states.
Make that CNY -- no evidence on S.
CSNY?
Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young?
Half kidding, google it: CNY can be tied into being Obama supporters, S, I don't know.
S would have to be granted a rating of Probable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....sonal_life
Heinlein was so right. Hegemony pops up anywhere humans have gathered for too long. There is no escaping the petty tyrants, the bureaucrats, the tax collectors.
The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips.
So? I thought they believed in equality. All the tips should go in the middle, and be distributed for the good of all, after they go to the central planners who will determine what the good of all truly is.
"Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places," said Engelerdt. "We're like, what's going on here? They're like the banks we're protesting."
And you're like a character out of Animal Farm!
All right. Fuck it. It's Friday, I'm going to go occupy a beer or two. Plus, occupy Louisville is now apparently going on, and on Saturday, I'm playing in a wedding, then going to a reception downtown, where I will go mock them mercilessly. I will post the links to youtube on saturday.
I hear they've started clamping down on krumping... nasty fascists.
...it sounds like it's time to pack up and leave...the junior gestapo control freak types are taking over...
...soon to be joined by the junior stalinist type head-banging enforcers -- must have unity...
"And as I spoke to Michael Glaser, a 26-year-old Chicagoan helping lead winter preparation efforts, a physical fight broke out between a cleaner and a camper just feet from us.
"When cleanups happen, people get mad," Glaser said. "This is its own city. Within every city there are people who freeload, who make people's lives miserable. We just deal with it. We can't kick them out."
Lol.
It's freeloaders all the way down.
"When cleanups happen, people get mad," Glaser said. "This is its own city. Within every city there are people who freeload, who make people's lives miserable. We just deal with it. We can't kick them out."
No. sense. of. irony.
At all.
The road to libertarianism is paved with naivete. I hope.
The OWS crowd is it's own worst enemy.
The more this kind of stuff is publicized, the quicker they can all be laughed off the stage.
Napoleon is going to kick Snowball right out of the park.
"The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. "Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places," said Engelerdt. "We're like, what's going on here? They're like the banks we're protesting."
I'm sorry I wasted everything I said about that quote in the thread where it was quoted earlier today...
http://reason.com/blog/2011/10.....nt_2583748
Everything I wrote was...fantastic.
finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts
And no one has applauded the cleverness of the FWG in figuring out that taxing drumming will produce less of it?
Shame, shame!
Bloody peasants.
I hope it DOES get violent. You fucking rich people all deserve to die.
A comedy sketch from the headlines: Imagining how it all went down:
Van Jones: Okay, ideas anybody.
Professor #1: I think I could get some of my hippie students and their friends to protest Wall St.
Professor #2 Great idea, I'm going to text some of my students from my iPhone and tell them they should be protesting evil corporations whose products are made in China and sell stock on Wall St.
Van Jones: Excellent!
Andy Stern: I can get some of my people there.
Trumpka: Me too.
JournoList: Hold back boys we wouldn't want it to look like astroturf.
Debbie Dolberman: Once the MSM sets the narrative about how spontaneous and grassroots the OWS crowd has sprung up we could get Nancy and Barrack to comment on it.
Nancy: Okay.
Tumpka: That's the cue for us to come in Andy.
Van Jones: Excellent. A very productive meeting on this one. We wouldn't want another CBS incident. Has anyone admonished CBS and that reporter yet?
Nancy: My husband and I need a distraction
Al Sharpton: When will we tell them it should be about redistributing the money?
Bill Keller: I'll start setting the narrative that the Tea Party is finished.
Charlie Rose: I'll coincide with that and and call OWS a growing phenomenon.
JournoList: Once all that's rolling we'll keep pounding the talking points.
Harry: I'll prevent the Senate from voting on the Barrack's jobs Bill while all this is going on. I'll need help blaming Republicans since the bi-partisan support is against us.
JournoList: No problem and no different than business as usual.
Al Sharpton: Money...when will we tell them it should be about redistributing the money?
David Axelrod: Al follow my cue and then organize. Barrack will say "Republicans Don't Want A Place Where People "No Matter What They Look Like" Can Succeed"
Nancy: I will stir up their passions with stuff like they're voting to let women die on the floor.
JournoList: Great idea Nancy. That one helps get out the feminist vote every time. Women like "shiny things".
Whoopi: I can tell women George Bush er....Republicans want to steal their uteruses.
Sean Penn: Garofalo and the rest of us will set the meme the Tea Party is the "Get The N-Word Out Of The White House Party".
Bill Maher: Excellent Sean! Most excellent! I will call Cain and republicans racist and poke fun at them.
Al Sharpton: I will add to the meme: "We Will Get The Jobs Bill Done In The Street".
David Axelrod: Excellent guys. The WH messaging will be OWS "Will Be An Issue In This Campaign".
Valerie Jarret: We need to crush the idea MLK would have supported Cain. Barrack will tell the people at the ceremony that MLK Jr. Would Have Supported Occupy Wall Street.
Lawrence O'Donnell: I will imply a brilliant man like Cain should have been drafted, or perhaps volunteered to be considered a patriot - rather than work for the Navy in a private capacity on rocket science where the Navy wanted him solving problems on an important project. I can also push the meme that he's an Uncle Tom for thinking for himself and unlike 90%+ of African Americans. I will do this from atop my white horse. Perhaps MSNBC should hire Al to provide me cover.
Al Sharpton: That's what I do, I know how to crack the whip on those who dare leave the Democrat plantation. How much are they going to pay me?
Van Jones Shut up Al! One last thing. Can you JournoList within the press corpse please keep ignoring the Fast and Furious scandal.
WH Press Corpse Indeed!
JournoList We concur, and don't worry Nancy. Tell your husband too.
David Axelrod: Once all this is rolling Barack will hop on the bus and hit the road with the standard organizing talking points like "GOP Wants "Dirtier Air, Dirtier Water, Less People With Health Insurance".
Martin Bashir David, I'll follow your lead with "Cain Doesn't Want To Be "Associated With African-Americans."
Comrade Brzezinski I'd suggest a Bolshevik type appraoch like "Make Rich Known Publicly To Pressure Them To Give Back"
Eugene Robinson: I call my meme "Defend Wall Street" and go with the theme is not likely to be a winning campaign slogan in 2012. For Republicans, this is an obvious problem.
Van Jones: Very productive people. I mean that..
Bernie Sanders: We Need To Address The Issue Of The Rich Getting Richer
Lawrence O'Donnell: I'd like to add Republicans still don't have a jobs plan, they've never had a jobs plan because Republicans are lying liars that lie even when lying about lying that's the kind of liars the lying liars are.
Rachel Maddow: I'll push this one "Republicans vote against employing more teachers and first responders" and since we believe the American people are too stupid to figure out the locals already pay taxes to cover those type of things in their cities.
Van Jones Very good Rachel.
Al Franken: And also remember we are good enough, smart enough and gosh darn it, people like us. We are wonderful people.....just ask us.
Rachel Maddow: I'll also go with Republicans think poor people are scam artists.
David Axelrod: Excellent Barack will use the standard Alinsky playbook on his bus tour which we can film for campaign ads. Barack will also tell the people not to believe their lying eyes and that all the choices he made were the right ones. I'll try and keep a straight face and plant a seed that the election is going to be a close one.
Debbie Dolberman: I will project all our demagoguery onto republicans.
Michael Moore: Will Barrack be using the styrofoam columns again? I will make a documentary of all this with a similar name as my Fifth one but call it "Bowling for Columnlike" instead.
Jerry Seinfeld style:
Ever notice that on cable television we went from frick to frack when it comes to fuck?
Why?
Frick was a much better word to use for fuck than frack because frick rhymes with dick or prick of which both are used for fucking.
And don't get me started on those American Autumn Wall St. protesters.
I don't think there's any common sense left in the world so goodbye. I'm on my way to go protest fracking shale because its fricking the environment.
Professor do you believe Our Creator allows freewill?
Professor: Sure, I'll play along.
Did you support Obamacare?
Professor: Yes.
Then you do not accept freewill and you are a potential tyrant.
Professor: You just flunked this course pal.
Hey climate scientist, do you believe Our Creator allows freewill?
Climate scientist: I don't believe a Creator exist let alone that one allows freewill.
AGW Skeptic: Einstein was right: Science without the [Creator] is blind and religion without the [Creator] is lame.
Climate scientist: Silence skeptic! We must sacrifice your rights and do what's best for society as we see fit. Don't you know science is a democracy fool!
AGW Skeptic: Ben Franklin was right.
CRU emails: Burn the Skeptic's book!!
Hey Hillary, Nancy, Harry, Obama, progressive intellectuals and Dems, do you believe Our Creator allows freewill?
Choir: We must sacrifice the rights of the individual and do what's best for society.
Who decides what's best? Certainly not society -see Obamacare.
Choir: From one, many -see Obamacare.
Al Gore: e pluribus unum - from one, many. The science is settled! Everybody knows science is a democracy - the skeptics are trying to turn science upside down - leading to backwards conclusions.
Saul Alinsky: Pick a target, freeze it, smear it, ridicule it.
Professor: The founders were racist capitalist pig slave holders.
Common Sense: I see a pattern: Professor with all due respect the Founding Fathers knew they couldn't fight the Civil War before the American Revolution or shortly thereafter and remain United States. They were wise enough to put mechanisms in place though.
Hey JournoList, do you believe Our Creator allows freewill?
JournoList: We must sacrifice the profession and do what is best for society.
Hey Islamic radicals. Do you believe Our Creator allows freewill?
Radical Islam _____________
Regarding drum circles: I knew a guy who was part of some kind of performance troupe (only saw them in action once at a sort of avant garde jazz club/art gallery - they marched around the room dressed as elves while playing assorted instruments). Heard him complaining one time that at the drum circle he hosted in his backyard a couple of dudes sparked a doob. Specifically mentioned that his neighbors who were outside had told him that they didn't care at all. He still freaked out on the pot smoking drummers. This story made no sense to me. Still can't figure out how you can expect to host a drum circle without at least a few, at least, needing to toke up to make it tolerable.
"They are becoming the government we're trying to protest," he said. "They didn't even give the drummers a say ..."
Consensus sucks when you are on the short side of it, huh?
Besides the drummers are making money off the tips, and therefore are the "rich" of this little society OWS has created. That society has the right to take whatever it deems necessary from the rich to pay for goods and services. Is that not what you are protesting for?