What We Saw at the "Occupy Wall Street" Protest
Down with banks, student-loan debt, and expensive elections!
Up with barter…capitalism…and…Mitt Romney?!?!
On October 4, 2011, Reason.tv visited the Occupy Wall Street protests at Liberty Square in lower Manhattan, on Day 18 of the ongoing demonstration.
The crowd was relatively small at about 300, and included educated but unemployed workers, college students and recent graduates, homeless drifters, performance artists, 9/11 truthers, and a not-insignificant number of journalists.
The "leaderless" movement is made up of more than a dozen smaller groups, such as the "Information" group with Macbooks hooked up to generators who maintain the "OccupyWallStreet" Twitter feeds and liveblogs, a "People's Library" consisting mostly of donated leftist literature, and a well-stocked kitchen where organic vegetables are sliced for communal salads.
Student loan debt, campaign finance reform, and general anger with the sluggish economy were the more frequent grievances aired, but the demonstrators are hardly monolithic in their passions or opinions. Among the boilerplate anti-capitalist rhetoric included a lifelong Democrat professing his support for Mitt Romney, an unemployed aviation mechanic declaring his continued support of capitalism and disgust at corporate welfare, and a homeless man expressing skepticism that any of the protestors would remain in the park if just "one bad wind" rolled through the area.
Also in the crowd was Republican New York City Councilman Daniel J. Halloran, who took all questions from the assembled crowd, and even won them over after forcefully denouncing taxpayer bailouts of corporations and eminent-domain abuse.
Though the message of Occupy Wall Street is muddled and the future of the protest remains unclear, similar "Occupy" demonstrations are popping up in cities all over the United States, and the quasi-anarchist community residing in Liberty Square shows no signs of relinquishing its post.
About 6 minutes. Produced by Anthony L. Fisher. Camera by Nathan Chaffetz.
Reason recapped the list of demands of the self-professed "99%," which include free college education for all and a minimum wage of $20 per hour. And check out this riveting eyewitness account and analysis from NYC.
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I am the 1%
I am the 3.201274752728576e-7%.
http://www.census.gov/populati.....ockus.html
I am the 1%.
Sweet dreams are made of this.
Lotion Man!
Yeah, the dude in the middle in Lotion Man. A real piece of ... work.
Only $20/hr?
Why not $50?
They want to show just how reasonable they are, sarcasmic.
Bu I wan fidy dowah an owah!
I wan I wan I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan it!
Wy won dey gibme fidy dowah?
I wan fidy dowah!
Can I have tree fiddy?
God Dammit Loch Ness Monster, I ain't gonna give you no tree fiddy!
Wanna buy some cookies?
http://i56.tinypic.com/669iwy.jpg
Racialist!
... A few manic-depressives showing cognitive dissonance...
The man must know what he is talking about - he lives there!
It's like White Imbecile - sorry, White Indian and his professed love for the "original affluent society" of sheepsking-clad survivors chasing after their food. At the first sign of hunger, White Imbecile would cry like a little girl; so would these protesters at teh first sign of rain or sleet.
These are joiners, herd members, people who feel they need to develop identity through association with something.
And, if you don't have anything better to do, protesting is just a fun way to pass the time.
Whatever happened to playing quarters or euker.
Uecker or Euchre?
It's "Euchre" Obvs you are not from Ohio.
Ha! That was what I thought too. Who wants to occupy Wall St. when you could sit in your kitchen smoking, drinking, and playing euchre all day?
Actually I am from Ohio. Luckily I can play it better than I can spell it:)
Or bang slightly attractive hippy chicks.
protesting is just a fun way to pick up women
FIFY
That homeless guy said it best, when autumn finally comes they'll all be gone.
Where's a Stark when you need one?
boilerplate anti-capitalist rhetoric included a lifelong Democrat professing his support for Mitt Romney,
That sounds about right.
I've been here longer!! I'm more important!!
That guy, was a moron.
Commas, should be used, appropriately espcecially, when calling people, morons.
I assumed he was referring to someone named "that guy".
Commas should be used, appropriately, especially, when calling people morons.
There fixed it for ya. No charge.
Commas should be used appropriately, especially, when calling people morons.
There, now it is really fixed. No charge.
Commas should be used appropriately, especially when calling people morons.
FIVE attempts to insert that single, appropriate comma? That was an exhausting spectacle to witness.
But each was an improvement.
"That guy, was a moron."
I'm sure he still is a moron and always will be!
That same plumber kid (with the expensive North Face jacket!) is featured in another video berating an old Jewish man.
Stop calling me a moron!
that guy! a moran.
Atleast he wasn't a Mormon. Wait, Mitt 2012!
You can't spell Mormon without Moron.
Several morons - but morons are everywhere.
But there were also several who seemed to have a clue.
I was surprised. A number of these people seemed far more reasonable than many other rallies Reason.tv has covered. The morons at the pro-teacher/pro-public schools event were vomit inducing, but almost half of these occupiers sounded sane. Perhaps if they merged with the non-Palin loving portion of the Tea Party movement America might have a real chance at bottom up reform and recovery.
A person can dream, right?
Yeah, sort of my view too.
yeah, that Palin, he was the worst one in the Monty Python skits...
a bleeding wanker...
It's just the Rainbow Gathering's statist doppelg?nger.
This is the most homogenous the internet has been since the Go the F to Sleep ad campaign.
WHITE POWER
I now understand how so many on the left had a visceral hatred of the Tea Party simply because they despised the personalities associated with the message. This thing is doing the same thing to me.
Except that their message is mostly crap.
I'm trying to be as fair as I can to these idiots, but yes.
Not like the crystalline reasonableness of protesting taxes during a period of the lowest tax rates in most of their lives.
Or protesting "socialized medicine" while complaining about cuts to Medicare.
Government good, Freedom bad! Herp derp!
There is a difference between crap and mostly crap. Not much of one, but a line can be drawn.
Or protesting "socialized medicine" while complaining about cuts to Medicare.
The protesters who bitch about police enforcement while advocating state control -- they're the OWSer equivalent of the "government-hands-off-my-Medicare" Tea Partiers.
Yeah, "crystalline reasonableness," indeed.
Yawn.
[logic 101 Tourettes]
Yawn.
Complaints about the fuzziness of OWS grievances are laughable because they are comparing them to the overly simplistic--even sloganesque--complaints of Tea Partiers.
My complaint (it was just an observation, actually) was not about "the fuzziness of OWS grievances" in general. It was about the specific instance of the specific protesters who are sanctimoniously bitching about police then turning around and exalting the state.
Just as with the "medicare" Tea Partiers, it demonstrates a fundamental ignorance of what the government actually IS.
I don't think OWS protesters are quite as interested in a philosophical debate over the role of government per se. Perhaps they realize there will always be a government, so it ought to direct its power in useful ways.
Perhaps they realize there will always be a government, so it ought to direct its power in useful ways.
And libertarians would simply ask them to recognize: "Hey, you know that time you got all pissed because big dudes with badges were threatening you with violence out on the Brooklyn Bridge? Those same dudes would be using that same violence to carry out your 'social justice' wish list."
Many of these protesters fail to make that connection -- just as many of the TP grannies failed to connect "my Medicare" with the government they were wishing away.
That's all.
It's not a blind spot to refuse to address the possibility that there can be something other than government. Because there won't be. All we can do is make sure it protects people's interests correctly. It's not going away. Debates about whether government per se should exist are best suited for pot smoke filled basements.
Even the TP grannies know this--it's just that they're corralled into being against "big government" i.e. the Democratic party, which of course is pure propaganda considering which party does more deficit spending and violates more people's rights.
does more deficit spending and violates more people's rights.
Do you really want to go with this arguement, really and hostly want to go with it (note.. you are being set up if you say yes)
In all seriousness, some of the serious participants are borderline anarchists. Not really pro-government at all.
Of course, other OWS supporters such as unions and the average man in the street are nowhere near being anarchists.
You're wrong about the "borderline" part. And this article was wrong about the "quasi" part.
You're a moron.
Responses to the 99%'ers. This is pretty funny.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46683
I bought my house on a "fixed rate" mortgage. My payments go up every 6 months because of adjustments in interest and escrow payments. I'm afraid that I won't be able to afford my house soon.
How on earth did she manage to get a fixed-rate mortgage that's not only an adjustable-rate mortgage, but magically resets upward when rates are falling?
It must have been a 2-year ARM with a hell of a teaser rate...
Obviously, food-stamp reform should include being able to buy canned Friskies for Mister Woogums... because it's not fair that they can only be used to buy HUMAN food! It's SPECIESIST!!!ONE!!1won!
Yeah, cause he couldn't buy canned tuna with them. Im sure the cat wouldn't love that.
I'm telling you guys, the actual "I am the 99%" photos are far more funny than any satire--no one on here could have come up with a better stereotype of Internet Liberal.
Where's PETA on this guys' dilemma?
"And to the kids camped out down on Wall Street: Look at the phone in your hand. Look at the rat-infested subway. Visit the Apple Store on Fifth Avenue, then visit a housing project in the South Bronx. Which world do you want to live in?"
http://www.nationalreview.com/.....williamson
Yea, brilliant. Look at the phone in your hand and then feed it to the starving South Bronx housing project dweller.
By the way here's a tiny piece of what HUD and other programs did in the South Bronx. I doubt Mr. National Review editorialist has ever even been up there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....whudbx.JPG
They invented color photography?
Another logic fail in the Reason comment section.
"South Bronx housing project" is to "Apple Store" as "government funded" is to "produced through private enterprise".
And the implication of the article was that no one would want to live there. But since I've actually been to the South Bronx, I know that many of the government-funded redevelopment projects have turned out quite nice and are quite successful.
Define "successful".
It cost only twice as much as it would in the private sector; failure means the project didn't get the local congresscritter re-elected.
I see what you did there now. Fail on my part. That was pretty good.
What the hell was that Chinese-Negro Che figure on that guy's Tshirt?
He wants a "Resource Based" economy. Where everything is free and people will work for some reason. It will be great - Karl said so.
And the ultimate irony of failing to realize money is also a resource.
And nothing's stopping him from bartering. Nothing.
Other than a federal statute forbidding the use of gold as money.
Can you cite to that statute please?
Which statute is that? (Seriously... this is the first I've heard of such a law.)
Money can't be redeemed for gold, is that what he means?
I pass my town's Occupy protest on my walk to work every morning. What I see is a collection of tents, and cardboard signs hanging off a fence. I see no people, I assume because they're still sleeping in the tents.
I pass at about 8:15 every morning, walking along a street that's one of the primary commute arteries into town. If anyone were awake in the little tent town, I'd ask them why they weren't waving their signs at the thousands of people driving by.
My favorite sign reads, "Free the land".
Please tell me there are going to be some portable showers brought out there at some point.
It's easier for them to go into local restaurants and wash up in the restroom sink, before taking a shit in them.
Hopefully, in that order...
You do realize you can buy air-horns at your local dollar store. Personally I would buy some and make sure I spent $5 every morning.
I am made about evil corporations, but I love my iPhone and iPad, which are assembled in non-union China.
I am also mad about the bank bailout, which the US Treasury expects to net $20 billion profit on.
It's worse than that...Apple's profits are wandering into Exxon territory and they're poised to be one of the richest companies in the world.
If you hate evil greedheads, you hated Steve Jobs, right?
Maybe some of the more business savy people here can answer this - but isn't there someway to find out, the ratio of profits-to-overall expenses of a company or something? Don't oil companies have to spend way way WAY more before they turn a profit than tech companies?
"...isn't there someway to find out, the ratio of profits-to-overall expenses of a company or something?"
There sure is.
Every company with shares listed on a US exchange (NYSE, NASDAQ, Amex, etc.) has to publish annual and quarterly financial reports.
You can usually find these reports archived on the company's website under "Investor Relations". Also, they file text versions of these documents, known as 10-K or 10-Q filings, with the SEC. (Avaliable here).
Yes.
For example, in Exxon Mobile's FY2010, it's net margin was 8.2% - or in other words, it generated a profit of $0.082 for every $1.00 of revenue, across all its operations.
Apple, in its FY2010, generated a net margin of 21.5%, or $0.215 for every $1.00 of revenue.
fast food is in the 30% range but, they are already in the "poisoning our children" crosshairs...
I chose the Exxon Mobile vs. Apple comparison since the hipsterz love them some Apple products but never mention a peep about profits, but get their hate on for Big Oil and their 'excess' profits, whatever the fuck that means.
Google, another hipsterz darling, had a net margin of 29% in its FY2010. Not a peep about 'excess' profits.
That's not funny!... Steve's dead man.
I saw some fat hobos in front of Mars Headquarters last night. I guess they want free candy.
Sounds like out in-house idiot Toni.
Toni, what do you want: Well, er..uhm...hmmmm....let me fire up wiki and I will get back to you on that.
Toni, when do you want it: Hell, I know the answer to that one....RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Ask him what he thinks "their fair share" should be... it's fun watching him fail to give a percentage.
Good lord that's entirely a personal problem. You're not allow to have a "grievance" over it, dumbasses.
Shouldn't they be picketing their professors, not the banks, if they can't get a job to pay off their student loan debt?
Their Deans and administrators would be more appropriate targets; the profs are really nothing more than propogandist flacks.
It's not really a coincidence that as the university system has become more bureacratized, the cost of tuition has gone up. Furthermore, colleges keep upgrading their facilities and infrastructure in order to attract more students, and this costs money. If colleges scaled back their facilities, downgraded their administrative staff, and were more selective about admission, college would likely be somewhat cheaper.
I think much of the blame for rising tuition has to do with the third party payer system.
It would be interesting to see some numbers correlating tuition costs with percentage of students using federally guaranteed loans.
I'll bet that tuition costs were stable and affordable until it became common to pay with federally backed loans, after which it spiked.
Just as health care costs were stable and affordable until the government became the chief charity.
The other intersting trend to look at would be the relationship between bullshit(fairly subjective, but you guys probably have an idea of what these are) college degrees and federally guaranteed loans. I would not be surprised if there was a correlation.
Single payer tuition!
You would be correct. My sister administers a college program, and says that every time the gov't raises aid to college students, the college raises tuition by the same percentage. When Congress raised the minimum wage, she got a memo telling her to cut the hours that the students worked, as there was only so much money budgeted to pay the part time student employees.
but, but, those evil wealthy profs....
Yeah, that's been a huge factor, too. Colleges spent all this money on third tier trash administrators and infrastructural white elephants because they knew the government would backstop whatever they charged for tuition, and with the ideal that anyone without a college degree was a loser and a failure firmly planted in the cultural mindset, they knew they would never want for customers to purchase their exceedingly overpriced product.
When the tuition bubble pops--and it will, because like the housing and dotcom bubbles, these increasing price rates can't be sustained--it's going to be interesting to see what emerges from the smoking rubble of the managerial-educational complex.
The next bubble to pop is student loans. Too bad it will take the U.S government with it. Too many loans given out like candy. And way too many people who won't pay them back. Education is way too 'corporate' now
If colleges scaled back their facilities, downgraded their administrative staff, and were more selective about admission, college would likely be somewhat cheaper.
But...that would make them racists.
How about the guidance counselors who didn't slap them upside the head when they said they wanted to major in medieval romanian poetry instead of something that might get them a real job...
I'm a Finance major myself. That being said, some of the CPA and consulting firms I applied to, actively recruit liberal arts majors. Something about wanting "thinkers" and different perspectives. A big 4 CPA firm will build new hires into the workers they want. I guess I mean that Ernst & Young will actually take a chance with a Medieval Romanian Poetry major. It sounds nuts, but it happens?
More of the foolish assumption that college is there to prepare/train you for the workplace. College is supposed to teach you to think. Sadly it is failing at teaching thinking as well as preparing/training people for employment. The solution of course is to spend more money on education.
I fully agree, which is why I spent most of my time in college studying history and literature as electives and got a degree in Political Science. The difference is I didn't walk out the front door expecting someone else to pay off my student loans (which I didn't have because I worked full time and went to a State School I could afford) and didn't expect anyone to be impressed by my degree and give me a cushy good-paying job because I was an "intellectual." I knew a computer science or business degree would have paid off better, but I studied what I enjoyed. After all, it was my money and time right?
Exactly. They bought a worthless college degree. They should be first bitching to the people who sold it to them and then to the cretins who wrote the law that says they can't default on the loan.
I understand the anger at the banks, and though it may be justified they have the hierarchy all wrong.
Exactly. Congress farmed out one of it's crucial Contsitutional duties, and only a few of us have a problem with it. Unreal. It also gave the President it's power to declare war.
The root reason for the, "Occupy er's" and the "99% er's". Gaze upon it if you dare. Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear. Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him. You own half of everything and so do I. I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank. You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with. All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world! That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED. That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses.
http://photos.imageevent.com/s.....40x537.jpg
Congratulations on your first horror flick, Reason!
Sometimes all political expression seems completely batshit. All of it.
How do we convince ourselves of these things we live by?
This is why democracy does not work....all these fucking idiots vote!
Don't worry Realist, they will soon have difficulty reading who they are voting for compliments of their public schooling. With any luck, they will actually vote in a third party candidate (one of the crazy ones) by accident, finally putting the stake in this dessicated vampire that is our government.
Democracy works just like capitalism. It only works when the participants are allowed to fail. If you, on your own volition, choose to purchase "gambler's financial risk via college" the market gives you exactly what you wanted.
Che loved him some bartering.
Bullets for blood?
That trade never goes away.
There will always be a rabble. As long as there are averages, half will be below.
That would be medians, not averages
Half the world's population is of below average intelligence. Or is it below median intelligence? One of those.
Either way, that half gets to vote.
Also, I don't think that Fox News cameraman should have been talking politics while on the job.
The more things change.....
This so reminds me of the 60's.
....they protested the war when a D was in office. It is odd today to see no little or no protest of the wars or the rights-violating state-security apparatus that has developed over the last ten years.....kinda like these protesters are okay with all of that as long as some "rich people" get lynched.
The funniest (saddest?) thing about most of these protesters is that they are decrying Wall St. for essentially being "selfish," when they themselves are demanding heaps(ultimately millions of dollars per person) of free shit. At least the assholes on Wall St. have to bathe, dress, go to an office, fuck whores, and have heart attacks on the trading floor to make sure they can fuel their coke addicitions. These kids want "educations" (complete with new gyms, facilities, bus services, and all sorts of other A-class non-educational horseshit) for simply breathing. How is that not selfish? How is it not selfish for them to demand this shit and prioritize it much higher than ending the murder of foreigners? Isn't that supposed to be the hallmark of leftists? Aren't they supposed to actually care about the poor farmer getting blown to bits by Rayhteon's munitions? Apparently not.
Sigh...What a bunch of cunts.
It's not illegitimate to demand that education be considered a right in a modern civilized country.
Demanding the right to higher education at someone else's expense is, however, illegitimate.
Here ya go... free education for everyone.
Pity you never got one.
I share that sentiment to a degree. But still, there seem to be a lot of these people complaining that their non-marketable degree does not get them the big monies.
I think there should be access to basic education for everyone - but not to higher education. There certainly is not a right to get paid for "useless" (beware: hyperbole) skills.
.....they need O-bomba with his prosperity-destroying sword held high to lead the parade:
!!Warfare/Welfare/GoAheadAndHateYourNeighbor/KlassEnvy 2012!!
That prick who pulls rank on that kid is already on tape revealing himself to be a wretched bigot: http://www.nationalreview.com/.....-c-w-cooke
If you take Lotion Man seriously, you are the 99%.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net.....6327_n.jpg
Excellent.
It's an ironic photo. But it does get close to the tired criticism that libertarians use ROADZ!!!
But it does get close to the tired criticism that libertarians use ROADZ!!!
Libertarians = using roads they are forced to fund.
OWSers = using products from companies they are voluntarily funding.
So, not really.
Do any of them want to do away with capitalism altogether? Or even advocate "small capitalism"? Well, maybe some. But if capitalism rewarded making useful things like smartphones instead of just making money from money, they wouldn't have anything to complain about.
There's nothing wrong with making money from money, provided that when you screw up and lose money you have to be a grown-up and take your lumps, rather thant getting to stick taxpayers with the loss.
The latter can only happen when government gets involved. (As was the case with Bear Stearns, AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, all the TARP beneficiaries, etc. etc.)
But if capitalism rewarded making useful things like smartphones instead of just making money from money
You do realize Steve Jobs' wealth was worth about $6.5 billion when he died, right?
But if capitalism rewarded making useful things like smartphones instead of just making money from money, they wouldn't have anything to complain about.
Do tell us, Tony, how making a return of any kind from capital (you know, "capitalism") isn't making money from money.
And after that, let us know how anyone can make any mass-produced product without capital equipment and investment.
It's just the world I was living in!
IPHONEZ!1! is the new ROADZ!1!
I can only imagine the amount of anti-Semitic rhetoric that is flying around these hippie drum circles.
"It is despicable to take money from the citizens for a private use." - If he actually believed this (and understood what it meant, he'd be the greatest politician in the world. Unfortunately, he probably doesn't see health care, education, welfare, etc. as private uses....
"Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off."
The guy wearing the North Face jacket with Mardi Gras beads made some valid points. But the guy wearing the suit made even more valid points.
That homeless dude was the smartest one of the group.
Well, at least the Reason crew actually showed up at the protest and made an attempt to do some fairly objective journalism.
As opposed to the gasbag Glenn Beck crony David Hransayi who copy-pasted an anonymous forum post and called it journalism.
But you guys are still wrong for publishing that and for linking to it again in today's post.
Kind of silly to bitch about the supposed privilege of people protesting financial bankers.
Besides, if the people in this country with the real grievances and the real poverty started to riot, well it would be a sea of brown people and I think we know how that would go over.
At least you're admitting that these SWPL dorks don't have any real grievances. That's a step.
[Besides, if the people in this country with the real grievances and the real poverty started to riot, well it would be a sea of brown people and I think we know how that would go over.]
Much like it went over when the sea of red people tried it.
Seriously, when your ilk couch your statements to wishfully incite the disaffected to storm the Bastille, you rarely step up alongside and almost never take credit for the predictable outcome.
If the people with the "real" grevances and poverty realize your liberal fingerprints all over their condition, you can't imagine how amused I'll be over how it "goes over".
Kind of silly to bitch about the supposed privilege of people protesting financial bankers.
Not really seeing the humer in the situation, a better joke would be people who went to college off of federally guaranteed loans complaining about banks who were bailled out when people defaulted on federally guaranteed loans.
IMHO the money-shot was pretty much the dude shooing the other dude being interviewed at the moment. Yeah, yeah. Everyone is being part of this equally.
Obama apparently hates his own supporters. A self-hating Democrat.
Hilarious. The costumes and technology have changed, but the hippies remain the same.
Yay, Dan Halloran!
I've been here a week and a half, I'm a leader
hahaha, niyce
Where's the hot chicks???????????????????
With the cold weather coming time to get out the water cannons.
Could it be that our Republican majority and Democratic minority in congress will recognize that this is the "public" they work for. No matter how messy, "occupy" represent everyone.
Occupy is just a little bit of everyone and it is beautiful. At least from a distance.
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I wonder what the perception would be of the protesters if they had one demand: 1. Bailouts of ANY kind, to ANY firm are prohibited, what do you guys think?