If Public Pensions Are a Sinking Ship, Charter Schools Are Smart Rats
Sixteen states allow charter schools to opt out of their foundering state pension plans, with the unsurprising result that charters are doing their best impressions of Esther Williams as a rodent.
A new study from the Thomas B. Fordham Institute examines six of the most charter-heavy states and finds that charters bail on the state pension plan at a very high rates—only one in four charters in Florida are part of the state plan. (In California and Louisiana public employees are essentially forced into traditional pension plans by being legally ineligible for Social Security.)
It turns out that in the absence of participation in elaborate, top-heavy defined benefits pensions, charter schools behave more or less like private-sector firms with at-will employees, offering 401(k) or 403(b) plans where employees save for their own retirement in portable plans—or nothing at all.
By opting out of state pension plans, charter schools give public sector unions yet another excellent reason to hate them. Teachers at charter schools tend to be younger, and less likely to spend their entire careers in teaching. By contrast, teachers union leadership tends to be at or near retirement age. And without the infusion of cash from new participants in the system, the already-bleak prospects of the traditional pension plans begin to look even worse.
From the Fordham report's conclusion:
Charter schools were created in part to serve as laboratories for innovative practices and alternative approaches within the broad framework of public education. In certain areas, such as personnel policy, they've diverged considerably from traditional public school practices. Most, for example, forego formal collective bargaining and conventional teacher tenure. Many use various forms of differentiated and performance-related pay. This study, the first of its kind, makes clear that some charter schools are also innovating in the teacher-pension arena….From a financial perspective, it is time to rethink teacher pensions—and charter schools may point the way forward.
Via Michael Petrilli.
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No sane non-union business is offering defined benefit pensions to new employees. It's too much risk and too much administration.
States and the Federal Government should wake up and follow. Give new government employees 403B's with a decent match. Then it's no added expense when they retire and no hassle if they are laid off.
you heartless bastard!
how can you condemn the children like that?!
Not to mention the complete holocaust of America's middle class!
Any attemp to make us contribute even one dollar to our own retirement is treating us exactly like a Jew in Nazi Germany being lead to the gas chamber. They are exactly the same thing!
If you read Ann Althouse's blog, that's pretty much their position.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2.....-have.html
Why should we be forced to pay anything for our retirement?
You shouldn't be forced. You have the option of working until you die.
But if you allow charter schools to compete by hiring staff with lower associated long-term costs than the public school system, that's a RACE TO TEH BOTTEM and that's NAH FAIRZ.
Charter schools should only be allowed to compete with public schools while using the same exact set of cost inputs as public schools. In fact, they shouldn't be allowed to change anything at all from the public school system and should differentiate themselves using magic rainbow pony dust.
No sane non-union business is offering defined benefit pensions to new employees. It's too much risk and too much administration.
States and the Federal Government should wake up and follow. Give new government employees 403B's with a decent match. Then it's no added expense when they retire and no hassle if they are laid off.
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didn't read the article past the Esther Williams reference.
Esther Williams = mega hot.
How the hell old are You ??
http://www.lulusvintage.com/im.....liams1.jpg
That's not Esther Williams!
It is one of her licensed swimsuits.
I provide a link to my damn fashion blog nearly everyday and you fucks learn nothing.
Damn spoof handle.
Don't knock it. It's a sort of Pythonesque absurdist comedy you've inadvertently created there. It made me laugh.
I Smell Esther Williams
http://www.ivywoodproductions......esther.jpg
not even the best picture of her, but you're telling me that's not hot?
In Illinois, state university and junior college faculty and staff can also opt out of the defined benefit state pension. It's called the Self Managed Plan (403b); I chose the SMP 12 years ago (and also have a 457 plan). So far, only 12% have opted out, but its something.
In Texas, only a select few job titles are eligible to do this. Luckily, I'm in one of those. The people above and below me aren't.
"...charters bail on the state pension plan at a very high rates..."
When debating politics with my liberal sister, I always use the terms government schools and state run education....drives her nuts.
In San Francisco they trying to ban the sale of pets. If it swims, slithers or walks, you can't buy it.
Well, that's not totally true.
You will be allowed to purchase live animals for human consumption.
So if you want to take care of the animal and give it a home you may not buy it, but if you plan to cut off it's head and put it in the stew pot that's great.
Irony much?
The comments on that site... :weeps:
So, can you just say that you are trying to fatten up your dog before slaughter? For 10-15 years?
It can take awhile.
Sorry, but if you are terribly worried about the welfare of goldfish, you need to get out more. Do these people lose sleep when they swat a mosquito or put out an ant bait? Animals are, and always have been, a commodity to be bought and sold.
As more and more boomers hit retirement and start collecting their pensions this situation will only continue to get worse and worse, almost like watching a slow-moving traffic accident.
Already the states can't afford what they've promised to pay today never mind in say five years when a majority of boomers will be retired. The vast majority of state budget deficits are a direct result of this financial shortcoming.
The only positive here is that at least it's not as bad as Social Security.
Always look on the bright side!
In California charter schools are NOT required to hire union and most of them don't.
Charter schools are the half-way house to full control by parents. The only reason a charter school exists at all is because the money is there provided by the state, but strings are attached.
Full cash disbursements to parents to spend on schooling any way they wish is the next step.
Then watch the quality of education skyrocket while costs go down. It's inevitable.
Watch the homeschooling trend, it is a harbinger.
Full cash disbursements to parents to spend on schooling any way they wish is the next step.
I think that is called a "job".
"Full cash disbursements to parents to spend on schooling any way they wish is the next step."
Why even take it from the citizenry in the first place?
Because that is not going to happen. I find public financing and private provision of education to be a decent compromise.
Esther Williams
NSFW, asshole.
Where do you work?
The linked image is perfectly safe.
Some workplace filters go all nuts on any tumblr-hosted site.
I checked just to see what would come up if you inadvertently hit my website front page (instead of the linked image). The first page is no worse than any popular celebrity gossip site. There is some occasional nudity of the "topless" variety in the archive, but once again, nothing "worse" than you'll find in a fashion magazine or gossip website. There is no pr0n or gratuitous nudity to be found. Mostly images of Chicks in Their Underwear, or in the case of Esther Williams a 1940s one piece gold lame swimsuit.
I find it is often impossible to argue with otherwise reasonable people who are active teachers' union members.
One friend from high school is now a union officer at the same high school we both went to (she gave up a career in private R&D to become a teacher). I posted a story from Cato that had at least one inaccuracy, which she rightly picked apart. But when I challenged her to address the central point of the article, that teachers' unions don't face the same demand-regulating feedback as private unions because with their government-enforced monopoly there is no way for them to price themselves out of the market, she offered no response at all.
Ultimately, this is just an instance of the problem that most people find it difficult to rationally address an issue with which they have strong financial or emotional attachment: if they hold their hands firmly over their ears, facts and logic don't matter.
I have found this, too. When talking about merit pay, public school teachers I have talked to tell me how hard it is to measure teacher performance. They insist that it will be unfair to the teachers stuck with more difficult students. Instead of thinking through the problem like a normal human would and trying to imagine (rather obvious) solutions, they throw up their hands and say, "oh, well. Merit pay won't work."
What do you expect? They've been indoctrinated by college Education department to "make a difference," not think critically about their profession.
And the thing is, everyone knows who the shitty teachers are. What they should do is just take a survey of all graduating students with a B average or better and they will find out quickly who the good teachers are.
"From a financial perspective, it is time to rethink teacher pensions"
Wrong, its way past time to rethink pensions, and not just teacher pensions.
Thirty years ago this fall, on October 18, 1981, a charismatic academic with rather limited government experience and with a one-word slogan, "Change," was elected prime minister of Greece. His name was Andreas Papandreou. Greeks may now wish that 30 years ago they had had a Tea Party movement. Things could have turned out differently.
Thirty years ago, Greece was in an enviable position on the matter of national debt, with its debt just 28.6 percent of GDP. Few advanced countries can manage that kind of debt-to-GDP ratio. By the end of Papandreou's first term in office, that ratio had nearly doubled, with debt at 54.7 percent of GDP. By the end of his second term, the figure was in the mid 80s.
The 1980s in Greece were a time of dramatic expansion of government. Papandreou and his Socialist party created a new government-run health-care system, dramatically expanded employment in the public sector, nationalized failing companies, and increased government handouts of every shape and form.
It was a government expansion so large and many-sided that in the end it generated a revolution of expectations and attitudes about the role of government in society. No government since then has been able to reverse that revolution, no matter how willing it was or how pressing the circumstances.
http://www.nationalreview.com/.....linardatos
Out of curiosity, what is the narrative from the Big State side on this one? How did those greedy capitalists ruin Greece?
On a more general note, is there any method, short of collapse, to stop people from voting themselves the treasury?
Corporate dystopia. People get votes based on their shares in the evil corporation, so poor assholes can't really steal too much.
Strictly speaking, the only solution is to take power away from the people. But since someone has to keep that power away from the people, it's easy for that to fall into simple tyranny of the elite.
The main solution is cultural, and complicated. Work ethic and disdain for red tape go a long way, but there are probably other values that are critical as well. Generally speaking, I think that people that think of the middle class in terms of wealth are confusing cause and effect; middle class is more likely a set of values and attitudes that lead to moderate wealth.
You Christ-fags and your overzealous cocksucking of the private sector... it disgusts me.