In Defense of Mindless Government Drones
As Nick Gillespie noted earlier this morning, Transportation Security Administration screeners at a Florida airport this past weekend required a 95-year-old wheel-chair-bound woman to remove her adult diaper before heading to her gate. According to her daughter, the woman has leukemia and needed last-minute blood transfusions to bolster her immune system before travelling, but "was very calm" despite "the fact that she had to go through the airport without underwear."
If such incidents are starting to feel almost common, there's a reason for that: TSA screeners are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.
When the online response to this weekend's screening faux pas grew to a howl, the TSA issued the same statement it's issued dozens of times since its founding: "We have reviewed the circumstances involving this screening and determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure."
Here are some other incidents and responses:
- Earlier this month, a woman taped her screening at the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport and posted it on Youtube. The TSA responded to the video on its blog, where PR officer "Blogger Bob" wrote, "After reviewing this passenger's time at the checkpoint, we found that our security officers acted properly."
- In early May, a traveler posted pictures of two TSA screeners frisking a baby. The TSA response? "We reviewed the screening of this family, and found that the child's stroller alarmed during explosives screening. Our officers followed proper current screening procedures by screening the family after the alarm, who by the way were very cooperative and were on the way to their gate in no time."
- In April, Matt Drudge linked to a video of screeners frisking a 6-year-old. Again, the TSA PR machine reported that screeners had acted properly: "Some folks are asking if the proper procedures were followed. Yes. TSA has reviewed the incident and the security officer in the video followed the current standard operating procedures."
- In November of last year, TSA screeners spilled urine all over an elderly bladder cancer survivor when they broke the abdominal seal on his urostomy bag during an advanced pat-down. TSA Administrator John Pistole called the man and apologized, and the TSA blog reported that the agency was "reviewing the training that's already being provided to our officers to see if needs to be updated." [Emphasis mine.] The TSA blog also suggested that "passengers with disabilities…contact one of our Customer Support Managers to coordinate their screening. This way, they can have a chance to speak with an expert and explain the best possible way to be screened prior to arriving at the airport."
- In November 2010, the Daily Mail reported that a woman passenger carrying 12 ounces of her breast milk asked for the bottles to be visually inspected, per TSA guidelines, instead of run through the x-ray machine. In response to her request, TSA screeners detained the woman for an hour, causing her to miss her flight, and told her that "if she didn't 'go through with the horse and pony show' she would be arrested." The TSA responded to the story on its blog thusly: "Although the proper screening procedures were followed at the time, we acknowledge this particular passenger experienced an out of the ordinary delay, and have worked with our officers to ensure we proceed with expediency in screening situations similar to this."
- In 2008, a heavily pierced traveler was made by Lubbock TSA screeners to remove her nipple piercings with a pair of pliers while two male screeners snickered and cracked jokes. Once again, the TSA defended the actions of its people on the ground. "The bottom line: the security officers followed the procedures for when someone alarms the metal detector and did nothing wrong," wrote "Lynn" on the TSA Blog. "But, after looking at the procedure the officers followed, it was determined that the procedures should be modified."
These bodily violations, in other words, are consistent with how the TSA thinks travelers should be treated. Screeners are simply following orders.
UPDATE: The AP has more on this weekend's diaper fiasco:
Jean Weber said Monday her mother was trying to board a flight from Fort Walton Beach, Fla., to Detroit on June 18. Weber says she helped her mother, Lena Reppert, through the scanning machines. That's when the Transportation Security Administration screener pulled them aside and said there was a suspicious spot on Reppert's diaper. The woman ultimately took off the wet diaper so she could be cleared in time for her flight.
Reppert is suffering from leukemia and wants to buried in Hastings, Mich.
The TSA says its inspectors handled the situation correctly and professionally and didn't require Reppert to remove her diaper.
So much for dignity.
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The TSA and SWAT should do an album together.
Album name: "Shooting Puppies"
"Shooting Puppies, Groping Children"
... for some reason that does sound sort of like a rock-album title from the last 10yrs.
Oh yeah, it was reminding me of this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.....rsty_Babes
I was thinking more along the lines of Proper Procedures.
Yeah, and the batfe can do the percussion.
What really makes me sad, is that the more I interact with my government, the more more violent my instincts towards them get. I didn't use to be this way but nowawadays I actually giggle out loud whenever I see a TSA Gestapo and think about slashing across his eyes with a straight razor. I'm starting to understand why "revolutionaries" and "freedom fighters" act the way they do.
Uncle Sam is turning me into a monster...
If ten years ago someone told me that I would fear my government I would have told them they were crazy. Today ... not so much.
The terrorists have won, they have given our government the all the reasons they needed to become a police state.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
--- James Madison
Ditto to both of you. I actually feel bad that I now have violent thoughts toward my gummint, but I do when I read this shit.
Agree with Old Salt - starting to think I can identify with the "freedom fighters" a little more.
On a lighter note - "WOLVERINES!!!"
Yeah, when I read this article the first thing that came to mind was the Matrix scence where Neo and Trininty walk through the security checkpoint, the metal detector goes off, and they unload.
I will simply point to the irony of this statement coming from someone who regularly defends torture in the guise of "enhanced interrogations" here on H&R.
So, if "enhanced screenings" are bad, why are "enhanced interrogations" good?
...because interogating "enemy combatants" is practically identical to "screening" passengers (most of whom are US citizens) for travel within the borders of their country of origin.
Practically. Identical.
Nice sarcastic quip, but it avoids the central issue. Care to make the case for why one is okay and the other not?
You first.
Because citizens/passengers lawfully traveling in their own country are not criminals or terrorists no matter how hard Janet Napolitano tries to make the case.
JOHN! STOP TRYING TO REASON WITH IT!
I know, I know...I'm drinking...
And we know those held without trail are criminals/terrorists because...?
The TSA is working under the assumption that those they are screening include terrorists. Until the screening is complete, they are dealing with a potential terrorist. In that context, your argument supports the enhanced screening procedures. Hence the irony.
The TSA is working under the assumption that those they are screening include terrorists.
That may or may not be true, and the evidence has shown that they can't even stop the known terrorists from boarding planes period (see Times Square bomber), so it sort of makes that some weak tea.
The enhanced interrogations weren't for people picked up at the airport trying to fly southwest. There have been only two terrorist plane attack attempts since 9/11 and both were boarded outside of the country.
There is a difference between terrorists picked up on the battle field or hiding in some cave in Afghanistan and the vast majority of the American people.
What the TSA is doing isn't about terrorism per se. It's about greater security in general, terrorism is just the excuse that gets people to accept it. The drug war and anti-contraband, are probably the biggest benefactor of the screenings.
---"There is a difference between ALLEDGED terrorists SUPPOSEDLY picked up on the battle field or hiding in some cave in Afghanistan"---
FIFY
I'm all for both.
How the fuck is a 95-year-old woman a "terrorist threat", NM?
Foreign - torture okay
Suspected terrorist - torture okay
Traveler - torture bad
Law abiding - torture bad
What about foreigners suspected of being terrorists, that are abiding by the law and traveling?
But you're playing mental gymnastics here ala MNG.
Once is a captured enemy combatant who may have useful information. Interrogators are trying to get data on terrorist networks, leadership and potential attacks.
A 95yo woman is just flying somewhere to see her grandkids. Or whatever.
If you don't see the difference between the two...
(note, I do not condone torture except for anyone but statists. My preferred method is Barry Manilow.)
Once [sic] is a captured enemy combatant who may have useful information.
And may be an innocent person confused for a terrorist.
A 95yo woman is just flying somewhere to see her grandkids. Or whatever.
If you don't see the difference between the two...
I see the differences...but in the case of rights and due process, it is the similarities that matter. Innocent until proven guilty, no cruel or unusual punishment, and all that.
just keep pedaling.
I'm surprised to see so many willing to defend torture in this thread. I agree with Neu Mejican.
The TSA is BS for a number of reasons: they fail at actually catching bad guys, they violate our civil liberties, they had zero ability to operate proper discretion, etc etc.
But the torture and indefinite imprisonment of suspected bad guys, and especially American citizens, is also wrong. If this country is worth defending as a bastion of freedom, we can't do that kind of thing.
""The TSA is BS for a number of reasons: they fail at actually catching bad guys, ""
I'm not sure if that's true. How many people carrying drugs have they arrested? Those are "bad" people too.
Nowhere in their name says anti-terrorism. Security is their middle name. I think their full middle name is security-theater.
""My preferred method is Barry Manilow.""
I thought you said you were against torture. 😉 I don't think I could ever date a girl named Mandy after that song came out.
"From the words in your song, you're smitten by a woman named Mindy? or a man named Andy."
whose crotch was Sandy.
But what if she came and she gave without taking? You'd send her away?
Is it because there is a difference between law abiding citizens and captured foreign terrorists?
Or do you think there should there be no difference in how the state acts towards different actors?
lulz
---"Is it because there is a difference between law abiding citizens and captured foreign terrorists?"---
Is there a difference between accused susspects and convicted criminals. IIRC, a large number of "terrorists" imprisioned at Gitmo were there due to either faulty intelligence, or somebody that they had a dispute with (in Iraq, Afhanistan or elsewhere)turned them in as terrorists. This is also where the "competent tribunal" requirement would be able to clear many of those held, or determine that they were actually terrorists.
Name them, indicating those who were put through enhanced interrogation despite the fact that they were innocents.
I keep hearing about all these tortured innocents, but no one seems able to produce one.
""If ten years ago someone told me that I would fear my government I would have told them they were crazy. Today ... not so much.""
Yeah, but lets take fear of the government off the table for a moment. If someone said our government would behave like this 11 years ago, only conspiracy folks would agree.
This crap was "tin hat" stuff.
No one listened when I bitched about ID's to get on a plane in 97. Same crap, just in a lighter hue. But I was "crazy and paranoid" then.
At least it's nice to have company in the looney bin.
Its all of the same thread. A person photographing a public meeting is arrested. We can surveil you, you can't surveil us (what have you got to hide...Oh yeah, incomptentance, corruption, and lying).
The same lack of thinking (anybody ever to think to lock the cockpit door prior to 9/11 despite all the hijackings that took place???) that makes it impossible to discern the threat of a 95 year old is what will be the cause of the next gubermint failure - which will be the reason for more gubermint...
You guys are lucky, I'm 24, I haven't known any other kind of government.
Igorance is bliss?
My condolences. It didn't use to be this way. In fact, that was held up as a prime difference between the US and the Soviet Union... we were free to travel as we pleased, they needed government permission.
How times have changed.
"Screeners are simply following orders."
Just like the Nazis at Auschwitz.
Get that out of the way.
Damnit, I was going to take care of that.
That excuse didn't work at Nuremberg and it ought not to work now.
I am not afraid of terrorists, I can fight them and the worst they can do is kill me. I can't fight my government, they can make my life, and that of my family, a living H*ll.
The excuse works when the orders are coming from the same people who run the court.
Had the Nazis won the pilots who bombed Dresden would have hung, though there were just following orders.
You know who ELSE fol....never mind.
What really makes me sad, is that the more I interact with my government, the more more violent my instincts towards them get. I didn't use to be this way but nowawadays I actually giggle out loud whenever I see a TSA Gestapo and think about slashing across his eyes with a straight razor. I'm starting to understand why "revolutionaries" and "freedom fighters" act the way they do.
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I smile and sigh with contentment when I think about slashing your mom across her eyes with a straight razor, assfucking her, then cleaning my dick off by wiping it through your hair.
Screeners are simply following orders.
This is an important point. There is a distinction between problems with the system of rules and the people who get paid to enforce them. Abuse can happen on either side, but outrage needs to be aimed properly if changes are going to happen.
Nuremberg
Nuremberg
That is off-topic, actually, as I am talking about how to change the situation, not about apportioning blame. But, sure, screeners need to send a signal to higher ups when the rules are unacceptable...and higher ups need to listen to the public and their workers.
These screeners are nobodies. They're losers. Failures in the Game of Life.
Now they get to fuck with people all day long, and anyone who doesn't obey without question misses their flight!
Why would they complain about rules that give them all that power?
sacrcasmic,
Which is why I said you need to be sure to aim your outrage appropriately. At abusers when they abuse, but, importantly, also at the system that sanctions/supports that bad behavior. As long as the system is set up to encourage/sanction bad behavior, you will find actors within it abusing. Solving the problem by blaming only the bad actors (one at a time when abuse happens) ain't very efficient.
This system you speak of is government, and it never ever admits to making mistakes.
That is why all of this behavior is sanctioned. Because anything but allowing it means someone made a mistake. Since government never makes mistakes, then this behavior must be allowed.
Short of a violent uprising, nothing will change this invasive behavior.
+1
I think you have the article backwards. The screeners are given wide latitude, and then shielded from criticism by the organization when they say they are following procedure.
I bet you a lovingly preserved issue of Doom Patrol #45 no superior ever told that guy to make an elderly lady take off her adult diaper.
Sugarfree,
I said abuse can happen on both sides. If the system is shielding bad behavior, then outrage needs to be aimed at those who fail hold the bad behavior accountable (as well as the bad actors). If their cover is "these people were following procedure" then the outrage should be aimed at those who deem the behavior within bounds, and the solution is to change the boundaries of acceptable behavior the system sanctions.
Still doesn't get the screeners themselves off the hook. Given a vague guildline--intended to be vague so that no one can say they violated their own policy--it is still the screeners choosing to not apply the standards of basic human dignity and a little common sense to their job.
Both are to blame. The organization gets more blame, but the screeners are not just innocent bystanders.
We don't disagree.
Classic case of the job description attracting a certain type of person: "Must be willing to remove used diapers from the elderly."
At one of my former jobs one of the interview questions was if I found images of grannies pissing on each other too much to bear.
I answered in the negative and got the job.
I strongly recommend you stop trying to Reason with it. It is immune to Reason.
[drink]
The screeners are given wide latitude, and then shielded from criticism by the organization when they say they are following procedure.
This is the correct interpretation. They cannot admit that the agents did something wrong else the dam would start to crack and all of TSA's perceived legitimacy among the majority of fliers would start to vaporize and more people would stand up to them and start causing problems. Bureaucracy and tyranny needs meek compliance or it won't work. This is the point of civil disobedience.
Only when an agent is caught doing something that is CLEARLY against the law (i.e. stealing from bags) will they admit a problem. All of the other stuff requires an iron hand and the veneer or omnipotence.
And no doubt that stealing from bags was/will be committed by 'individual actors' in 'isolated incidents' and the offending screeners will be shifted to some other duty
Fairly well-known radio personality had items stolen from his bags, while he watched, and was unable to get justice against the TSA screener involved.*
*(anecdotal evidence, but I find it credible)
Well the problem is that there doesn't seem to be enough follow through, or enough complainers, to push it to the next level, either through eliminating the TSA, or getting them to at the very least, change their idiotic screening procedures.
Wasn't Blogger Bob formerly Baghdad Bob?
No, but they're both related [to] Hercule Triathlon Saivinen [EMPIRE].
2012!!!
2112!!!!
I'm going to moan and groan and fake orgasm next time I fly, even if it's just walking through the scanners.
And when you do, we'll check your shorts to make sure there's less than 3 oz of jism there.
I was thinking Spencer was a woman...
What's your point?
And...?
Mos' Def' a dude. Wanted to make it as awkard as possible. Maybe dress in drag that day....
We know that Mos' Def' is a dude...the question was about Spencer's gender.
My vote is still to just begin to gently piss yourself.
You know who else was just following orders?
Almanian|6.27.11 @ 12:40PM|#
You know who ELSE fol....never mind.
reply to this
I was finishing your sentence for you. It's like we're married.
TAKE OUT THE GARBAGE YOU LAZY OAF!
Hey, this glass isn't gonna fill itself!
Children in public school?
George A. Custer?
Robo-puppy commencing two-hour yipping session! Yip, yip, yip, yip, yip, yip... [Bender kicks it against the wall.] Robo-Puppy mistreatment alert! Robo-puppy mistreatment alert!
Many people I know ask me why I'm so hostile towards TSA agents whenever I go through an airport. After all, they like to point out, the agents themselves didn't come up with the procedures and they're just hardworking people doing their job.
Fuck that.
It's a dishonorable job and anyone who chooses to take it on needs to get all the abuse he or she deserves. Harassing people who just want to get on an airplane is not "honest work." Digging a goddamn ditch in the sun is honest work. Repairing a toilet is honest work. Cleaning up puke in a cancer hospital is honest work.
The only reason TSA gets away with this shit is that our overlord government can find a steady stream of ignorant envious people from the underclass who LIKE being bullies and who have no problem with trampling on the rights of people and are too stupid to understand what they're doing. But they wouldn't get away with except that the people whose rights get trampled on fucking stand there and take it.
This is what a goddamn police state looks like.
I'm a citizen, not a subject.
+100
""The only reason TSA gets away with this shit is that our overlord government can find a steady stream of ignorant envious people from the underclass who LIKE being bullies and who have no problem with trampling on the rights of people and are too stupid to understand what they're doing.""
Or perhaps in times of big unemployment, any job will do. It's easy to understand that caring for their family is more important than caring for your rights. Of course, that doesn't make it right.
""This is what a goddamn police state looks like.""
A police state looks much worse than just this, so I don't think that's a fully accurate statement. In a police state you would be in prison for disagreeing with the TSA in public. However, it what the road to being a police state looks like.
"" But they wouldn't get away with except that the people whose rights get trampled on fucking stand there and take it.""
Not only do they stand there and take it, they demand having it because we, as a nation, have become a bunch of wimps willing to surrender our rights to prevent another 9/11.
This isn't my grandfather's America, it's not my dad's America, it's not even my America. Who the hell's America is it?
A police state looks much worse than just this, so I don't think that's a fully accurate statement. In a police state you would be in prison for disagreeing with the TSA in public.
We already have cases where disagreeing with the TSA, in front of the TSA can get you... detained for a long period of time.
I'm talking about getting arrested if you were disagreeing with the TSA in public, in general, such as at a college or public square.
We are not a police state, but we are on a high speed rail towards one. The question is will anyone stop the train. I fully agree with John and others who have much doubt.
We're a polic-eey state.
Totalitarianism Lite.
Totalitarian democracy?
Crystal Lite of Totalitarianism?
The Zima of totalitarianism.
Soft Fascism?
Police State-ish.
I know what you meant, I just could help myself.
Ok, and I can understand why.
This isn't my grandfather's America, it's not my dad's America, it's not even my America. Who the hell's America is it?
You know exactly who's America it is... now bend over and spread 'em...
They just make you miss your flight.
I'll grant that we're not there yet... only on the road.
But TSA has now started "randomly" checking bags at the gate - what the fuck? - and there are persistent rumors of putting pornoscanners into bus stations and malls and sporting events and the like. So we're moving down the road.
As far as "any job will do" - most people hard up for work will instinctively reject work in a job that's either illegal (i.e. the mafia) or "obscene" (i.e. selling porn), too, even if the pay is really good, so that excuse doesn't really fly with me. (no pun intended)
If you're hard up for work, go dig a ditch or mow a yard.
I'm seeing the TSA now doing the random bag checks to get on the NYC subway system at Penn Station. It's really starting to bother me. I've said countless times, terrorist can not force me to move, but anti-terrorism can. Heck, Dunphy has me half convinced I should move back to Washington state.
I'm seeing the TSA now doing the random bag checks to get on the NYC subway system
Really?
I've never seen TSA guys in the subways. Cops, yes - about once a month they'll set up their little card table stand and search every 10,000 passenger's bags. By contrast to the actual TSA, they're humble and seem to be embarrassed to be doing it at all.
But maybe Penn Station gets a different classification because its a nexus of the MTA, Amtrak, PATH, etc.
Notable though is the absense of TSA in places like Grand Central Terminal...
I was going to suggest maybe you were mistaken... then I looked the shit up =
http://www.dnainfo.com/2010042.....-screening
They mentioned it at the time as a 'pilot program', albeit one that had no forseeable end... So I guess, yeah, they're in Penn Station as well as Times Sq/42nd st.
Kinda glad I hardly ever go through either place. People from Jersey...tourists.... you understand.
""But maybe Penn Station gets a different classification because its a nexus of the MTA, Amtrak, PATH, etc.""
Could be, I'm inclined to agree. But I see them now every time they have a bag search setup in front of the 1,2,3 train entrance.
Well, at least now I have a 10th or 11th reason for never wanting to go through Penn Station
reasons 1-5 are all: 'Guidos' I think. No, wait... #3 is that fucking Cinnabon. Or fat long islanders waiting for the &*#@ LIRR track #s... which they still dont' post until like 30 seconds before the train leaves...
Sorry, my 2-minute hate was kicking off a little early today
While I want to disagree with some of that, I loath the MTA too much to make a stand. Rave on!
Intense and deep-rooted hatred of the MTA is a sign of a healthy-functioning front-brain.
""If you're hard up for work, go dig a ditch or mow a yard.""
I hear ya, I wouldn't work for the TSA either, but it's not that simple. What kind of benefits do you get with mowing yards? Government jobs have always been attractive to the population in general.
That's my point. There's an endless supply of people who've worked at Burger King all of their lives and now they get a plastic badge and health insurance. OF COURSE they'll do whatever they're told to do by a guy with a bigger plastic badge. Fuck the constitution, they're in a government union and can't get fired. Awesome work if you can get it, especially compared to Walmart.
Our government should know better, but so long as they can just keep hiring and exploiting that segment of the population, there will always be people abusing travelers at the airport.
Not exactly off subject, but does anyone else remember the debate about the TSA getting immunity and how much, back where the TSA was being considered?
It's this type of endless cycle that actually makes me consider Heinlein's economic viewpoint in For Us, The Living to be one of the most credible systems. A social security check to everyone in the country that is enough to live on, and anything produced above and beyond that is marketable for additional income.
I hate welfare as I feel it's an expensive system that keeps people from working. But if the choice was between welfare to keep people from working or those same people working these pissant jobs, I gotta say I favor welfare. Thank God it's not a simple dichotomy, but unfortunately that means we get stuck with both.
"What kind of benefits do you get with mowing yards?"
You don't need to pay taxes on the income.
Are you new here? You'll fit right in just fine.
Will any presidental candidates will claim to curb this sort of TSA activity?
Only until one of his opponents (or Obama) says that he's being "soft" on the bad guys.
Remember that a significant percentage of Americans fly less than one time per year or have never flown on a plane at all. As far as they're concerned, TSA is just the government doing it's job.
Not bloody likely. They are all afraid that if another incident occurs they will be criticized as soft on terrorism.
They'd rather we all are treated as criminals than force really effective security instead of the theater we have today.
Exactly.
We should all remember that when a candidate talking about being pro-Constitution, or pro-freedom. I hope they all choke on a hot dog on July 4th.
Thanks for ruining my fucking chances to play the game again.
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The last TSA agent I had contact with (when I chose the grope session over the backscatter machine) told me she had a degree in "criminal justice". Undoubtedly from one of those schools adverstised on daytime TV. Made me almost feel sorry for her, being that she spent her hard earned cash only to become a modern-day gestapo. She would have been better off working her way up at McD's.
People who major in "criminal justice" do so because they are power seekers.
They get a thrill from issuing orders, and being justified in the use of violent force if those orders are not obeyed.
They are our prison guards, our cops, our TSA, and all the other assholes out there who are not complete without a little power.
McDonalds would never be good enough because there you go to jail for clubbing people who don't obey your every order.
Hey! To be fair, some of them are just too stupid to get a degree in anything else (except maybe education?)!
They get a thrill from issuing orders
In other words, they're perverts.
She seemed nice enough - I think she just bought into the (sadly true) marketing line that "criminal justice is a growing field". She was really keen to talk to me about her career options when she found out I worked with the State Dept. She thought "Diplomatic Security" sounded glamorous. I didn't have the heart to disabuse her of that notion with stories of rent-a-cops standing in the hot sun or cold drizzle for hours on end flagging cars through the gates and checking IDs.
There was a more-prominent-than-avg. figure in the Libertarian Party in NYC who was the librarian at the John Jay College of Criminal Law (part of CUNY). It was years before I realized that wasn't some specialty law school.
CAUSE THERE'S NOTHIN' FUNNIER THAN "DEPENDS" JOKES, THAT'S WHY!
I actually agree that they're just doing their job. I'm sure each one working there realize they're not viewed favorably.
Problem is, few people actually want to change the system itself that creates entities like the TSA, to really work on principles as opposed to procedures. So lots of people complain, then maybe pat-down procedures are revised, great, nothing really changes.
This womans not taking any crap from the man.
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/201.....ar-567339/
She was just showing them that she was telling the truth about her lactation status.
I bet that they will at least initially try to charge her with attempt to do bodily harm. The police are indoctrinated about bodily fluids and they were probably terrified they would get AIDS by being sprayed with breast milk.
I have to travel for work, and I am along way from retiring. So I can't treat these people with the utmost disrespect that they deserve.
If their cover is "these people were following procedure" then the outrage should be aimed at those who deem the behavior within bounds, and the solution is to change the boundaries of acceptable behavior the system sanctions.
I agree completely. Defund and disband the TSA immediately. Put Pistole and Napolitano on trial for crimes against the Constitution.
Impeach the President.
Happy now?
The funny thing about that, is where does it say that violating the Constitution is a crime? It's usually a civil proceding. No?
The airline operators must love this shit. And they wonder why ridership is declining.
I flew to L.A. and back a couple weeks ago. Thankfully it was the first time in a long while I've had to fly. I had to change planes in Chicago. Neither flight offered food - other than some shitty stuff for sale - like $4 for a tube of Lay's potato chips. I didn't have time to buy food between flights, because they were so close in time and I had to run nearly a mile through O'Hare. So by the time I got to L.A. I was starving.
I use to fly a hell of a lot for business - but that was mostly before 9/11. After doing a lot of business travel for 14 years, I already was getting sick of it back then. Now I fucking hate it.
And I have to fly to Idaho this week, again via Chicago.
Oh joy.
With all due respect, it is because of folks like you who continue to fly that we still have these procedures in place.
That's right. You should stop flying in protest. And eating (%#!@ food police!) And driving (take that, seat belt laws!). And drinking (what, no Four Loko? I quit!)
You all are missing the heart of the issue. Who wants ti sit on a plane next to some old broad who's leaking and oozing into a diaper?
The real story here is that average Americans continue to accept and even approve of this treatment.
So... how does one stay sane in a totalitarian state? Massive infusions of vodka?
That really is the scariest part. If there were real outrage out there in any significant size, these sorts of things wouldn't be happening. But as it is, the overwhelming majority of people in the US believe this security theater keeps them safe and that it's more than acceptable?it's necessary.
I guarentee you if that was an old black woman in a wheelchair, heads would be rolling today. Which is why you won't see that happen. Yeah, they don't fuckin' profile.
Four Loko - duh.
Would Mr. Obama or anyone in the Senate of the House want any of their loved ones treated this way. The system needs to be improved and give American citizen their rights and dignity back.
Land of the free, home of the brave. I have this irresistible to go search Lee Greenwood on youtube and get all dewy eyed and "proud to be an Amurkin, where at least I know I'm free."
It's that fucking Stalinist-elitist Napolitano under direction of Boss O-bomb-a.
lovely arms? hah
"Just following orders" seems I've heard that one someplace before.
This sounds like the old "fake shock button" experiment.
Charges dropped against Emily Good:
http://www.democratandchronicl...../110627014
The list left out the plastic hammer confiscated from a mentally challenged man that TSA groped while going through security and dozens of other abuses.
http://www.travelunderground.o.....asterlist/
This is simply gratuitous abuse of a passenger who poses no threat whatsoever. TSA is a complete farce and accomplishes nothing other than harassing, humiliating, robbing and otherwise abusing travelers. The daughter should sue TSA for this blatant violation of her mother's basic civil and human rights.
Congress has permitted TSA to promote an agenda of passenger-focused paranoia without consideration for the realities of airline safety. In the past eight months, TSA has been plagued by reports of agent thefts, sex crimes, assaults, drug trafficking, security breaches, drug use and dereliction of duty. Over sixty screeners have been implicated without one notable success to offset this abysmal record.
After the Lockerbie bombing carry-on, items were x-rayed eliminating the possibility of that tragedy being repeated. When a flawed hijacking policy allowed the 9/11 terrorist to take control of four airliners and crash them into targets, cockpit doors were reinforced and pilots were armed making a repeat of the 9/11 attacks impossible.
TSA cites the 2009 "underwear bomber" as the basis for the need to implement these abusive policies. However, ABC News reported that the terrorist's underwear contained 80 grams of the explosive PETN, which tests revealed could only make a small hole in the wall of an airplane and would not result in a crash.
This agency is completely out of control and needs to be heavily restricted or shut down altogether and security returned to FAA.
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http://legalinsurrection.com/2.....d-boycott/
I don't understand: After 9/11, conservatives -- marching hand-in-hand with most libertarians -- demanded intensive pre-flight screening and searches. By definition this needs to be invasive and inhumane. And now that you all got exactly what you asked for, you just bitch and moan.
Guess what, people? It wasn't "Congress" that did all this to you. It was conservatives and Republicans, and you all cheered as the Patriot Act was blindly passed and the Department of Homeland Security was established without oversight. When progressives complained about the loss of liberty and rights, you said they didn't understand the realities of a world with terrorism.
This semi-police-state is your creation. Every time some poor dying lady has to take off her diaper for the travel police, or a mom carrying breast milk is threatened with arrest, or a cancer patient gets their urostomy bag spilled, I hope you realize: You did this.
So congratulations, all you so-called libertarians who always take the conservative side and side with the rich and powerful. Here's the nation you made. Enjoy it.
http://reason.com/archives/200.....for-safety
Does that look like "cheering" to you?
I know, it's tough for "progressives" now that all that Hope and Change turned out to be a fraud. We were all disappointed, even those of us who caught on to the act a little quicker than you guys.
But trying to rewrite history doesn't help anyone.
So, did you just pull this out of your ass or what? You are an idiot if you do not see that libertarians are equally despised by both the left and the right. Libertarians have never marched hand in hand with conservatives with respect to government power and authority.
The paranoia nazis will follow orders and do their duty, whether its frisking a baby or shoving one into a shower tank for a Zyklon B treatment. Once empathy is lost, anything is possible. That was the lesson of the Holocaust. In our rush to "feel safe," we've allowed this abomination to become an acceptable ritual within our cultural landscape.
The technology doesn't even work that well. On my home from Hawaii, I had to get a "secondary screening" simply because I had two small paper receipts in my pocket when I went through the naked-scanner. Apparently, the scanner got confused by the paper.
http://www.nickschweitzer.net/.....eater.aspx
To be fair, a few of the items amount to acknowledging that a bit of (collective) learning on the job is inevitable because no procedure book can't anticipate every case in advance.