Marcia Angell on 'The Illusions of Psychiatry' (Part II)
The second half of Marcia Angell's New York Review of Books essay on psychiatry is up, and I was wrong: She does mention Thomas Szasz, but only in passing. "By the 1970s," she writes, "an antipsychiatry movement had taken root, as exemplified by the writings of Thomas Szasz and the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." Szasz, who has never opposed psychiatry among consenting adults, would object to that characterization. More to the point, Angell, the former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, never grapples with his arguments about the mischief that flows from equating arbitrarily defined "mental illnesses" with bodily diseases, even though she supplies plenty of support for that critique:
Not only did the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders] become the bible of psychiatry, but like the real Bible, it depended a lot on something akin to revelation. There are no citations of scientific studies to support its decisions. That is an astonishing omission, because in all medical publications, whether journal articles or textbooks, statements of fact are supposed to be supported by citations of published scientific studies….
The DSM-III was almost certainly more "reliable" than the earlier versions, but reliability is not the same thing as validity. Reliability, as I have noted, is used to mean consistency; validity refers to correctness or soundness. If nearly all physicians agreed that freckles were a sign of cancer, the diagnosis would be "reliable," but not valid. The problem with the DSM is that in all of its editions, it has simply reflected the opinions of its writers….
[Daniel] Carlat [author of Unhinged: The Trouble With Psychiatry] asks, "Why do psychiatrists consistently lead the pack of specialties when it comes to taking money from drug companies?" His answer: "Our diagnoses are subjective and expandable, and we have few rational reasons for choosing one treatment over another." Unlike the conditions treated in most other branches of medicine, there are no objective signs or tests for mental illness—no lab data or MRI findings—and the boundaries between normal and abnormal are often unclear. That makes it possible to expand diagnostic boundaries or even create new diagnoses, in ways that would be impossible, say, in a field like cardiology. And drug companies have every interest in inducing psychiatrists to do just that.
Angell is especially alarmed by "the astonishing rise in the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness in children, sometimes as young as two years old":
These children are often treated with drugs that were never approved by the FDA for use in this age group and have serious side effects. The apparent prevalence of "juvenile bipolar disorder" jumped forty-fold between 1993 and 2004, and that of "autism" increased from one in five hundred children to one in ninety over the same decade. Ten percent of ten-year-old boys now take daily stimulants for ADHD—"attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder"—and 500,000 children take antipsychotic drugs.
For more on the "juvenile bipolar disorder" diagnostic binge, see this recent Newsweek essay by child psychiatrist Stuart Kaplan (author of Your Child Does Not Have Bipolar Disorder: How Bad Science and Good Public Relations Created the Diagnosis). This trend is the main thing Allen Frances, lead editor of the current DSM, has in mind when he says, "We made mistakes that had terrible consequences."
All of these critics, including Angell, focus on the errors and excesses of psychiatry without giving us a sense of what it would look like if it were done properly. It is fair to highlight the influence of pharmaceutical companies, which fund advocacy groups such as the National Alliance on Mental Illness as well as research and conferences. But to argue that financial considerations corrupt psychiatry suggests there is an uncorrupted form that is worth saving—one that is distinct from neurology on one hand and psychology on the other. The impression left by Angell's essay is that psychiatry is only pseudoscientific and quasi-medical, and perhaps that's the essence of the problem. If so, more tinkering with the DSM (the fifth edition of which is being prepared as we speak) is not going to solve it.
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Jacob, I think you leave out of your summation one of the drivers of the problem of medicating 2-year olds: there is welfare money in it.
It's not just welfare money, it's school money, added government-paid personal to schools and day care centers, it's increased funding for social programs which employ a lot of people, it's increase time to take tests and do better compared to toher kids, it's increased funding for after school programs.
There's a lot of government funded benefits for slapping diagnoses on children, it's not just welfare benefits. I'm not sure how much the child benefits for being branded by a diagnosis, though
In the bizarro universe of California, schools lose money (instead of make money) on mentally handicapped children, so the public schools go to great lengths to prove your child is "normal".
An 8 year old who doesn't talk and can't read or write will get diagnosed as OK so that her IEP will get thrown out and save the district money.
If you don't start 'em on speed while they're young they won't grow up to be meth-heads. Think of the poor DEA and SWAT teams!
Yep. If your kid gots the hyper-mental, you get a full disability check.
I've met supposedly sane people, and they are uniformily BORING. Of course, none of them are certifiably sane. Of course, they keep saying that I am certifiably insane. And I respond your the one who keeps saying Obama is a liberal...
There's no such thing as a sane person, at least according to the shrinks. I've never met anyone who's visited a shrink and been told they have no problem.
I wonder if anyone has ever looked for a correlation between people being cured of their mental illness and their insurance running out.
when i took the MMPI , the reviewing psychologist told me "you are so normal, it's almost abnormal"
lol
Some years ago my wife and I took the MMPI at a marriage counselor's (I can't recall the m.c.'s credentials).
She said I had 'no major issues' but didn't say the same about my betrothed, and wanted to know a lot about the Mrs's childhood.
We're still married, but you just can't unhear stuff like that.
I have. And fuck off.
Sanity is a legal term not a psuedoscientific one.
Diagnosing kids as bipolar sounds like the fastest way to ensure they remain insufferable shits for the rest of their lives. There are few things more tiresome than adults who use their bipolar (or whatever other mental health diagnosis they've decided now comprises their identity) to excuse their bad behavior. Encouraging kids to do the same is a terrible idea. Here is a novel prescription: grow the fuck up.
When I first read the DSMIV about Oppositional Defiant Disorder, I was, like. This is just a kid that needs a few ass-whoopings.
Ass-whoopings are no longer legal.
http://objurgate.net/2011/06/1.....own-child/
Dang, if you can't give your kid an ass-whoopin' in Texas, where can you?
Somalia?
Sorry.
I used to be a professional 'tard wrangler. Had to take a class in ODD. The teacher said that scientific research found no genetic causation, but high correlation with sub-optimal parenting.
Other 'tard wranglers used to say ODD kids are special needs--in special need of a whuppin'
... but now I'm bipolar!
I was never called an asshole.
I'll fix that oversight: you're an asshole.
Talented, yes, but still . . .
The talented part is debatable. Give me Klimt any day...
I wanted to post a link to the South Park bit where the doctor has a "novel" approach to curing kids of ADD, which is the "shut up and study!" bit after hitting them with a book, but it seems Comedy Central is quite vigilant in their policing of YouTube.
They stole that bit from my dad.
Lulz, same here dude. : /
Did Youtube finally catch on to the uploading-a-mirror-image trick?
i deal with this shit all the time. i had a 26 yr old Bipolar female yesterday we had to invol. ODD is my favorite disorder though. essentially it means opposed to doing what they are told. well, duh. who ISN'T?
had an 11 yr old kid pummel on three school personnel the other day. he was 11. i told the school he was under the age of presumed capacity to form intent, and there was not going to be prosecution. he had "ODD".
Why did you have to involuntarily commit her? Did you or another officer personally observe some action on her part or were you responding to a petition?
Comedy Central provides all their shows for free.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes
This is not a unitary phenomenon, but a confluence of several. The basic reason so many kids are psychiatrically medicated in the USA is the same reason babies were given opiates a century ago: to quiet them down. However, it is politically incorrect to admit that that's what's going on, so they need to pretend they're treating a disorder. The need to quiet them down is a result, in turn, of the ideology of schooling, which says everyone's got to go, and they've got to do it like this.
And that's just one stream fueling psychiatry. Psychiatry isn't complete horse shit, but it's so full of it, it's hard to see the horse.
The need to pretend to be treating a disorder is part of the paradigm that sustains the war on drugs: the need to characterize all use of bioaffecting chemicals as illegitimate if it's not some sort of "treatment". What counts as "treatment" is very flexible, and its boundaries are not examined closely. What counts as treatment is established not by objective criteria, but by process.
Maybe Szasz isn't a certified nutjob, but as long as he's working with the Church of Scientology it's pretty hard for me to take him seriously.
Szasz' work predates the Scientologists involvement with similar issues. Is Ron Paul a nutjob because some nutjobs identify with his causes?
I figured somebody would make that point and I think there's a HUGE distinction. Taking money from somebody who happens to agree with your goals is entirely different from actively working with another organization. If Ron Paul and the KKK got together to start an organization to repeal the Fed, I would wonder what the fuck is wrong with him even though repealing the Fed isn't a racist goal.
And for those who don't know, this is the organization to which I refer.
I wouldn't equate Scientology with the KKK.Szasz work with them was primarily on involuntary commitment.Interestingly their first case was the freeing of a fellow Hungarian immigrant of Szasz who was diagnosed and committed for speaking their mutual native language.
I was guardian for a teenage girl that was diagnosed as bi-polar. She truly was screwed up. One evening she just kind of disappeared; I found here a couple of hours later under her bed in a completely dark room. She had no reason, she just wanted to exit the world for a while. During her manic sessions, she truly lost touch with reality. On lithium, she was bright, cheerful, and remarkably normal teenage girl (with all the flakinesss that comes with that).
The problem with modern psychiatry is that someone figures out how to treat a real problem, and then the whole medical/pharmacuetical industry goes in search of "sick" people to treat. Then lots of people get diagnosed and treated when they only remotely have symptoms that truly ill have.
Insurance coverage and welfare fuels the problem.
Admittedly I'm somewhat biased, as a major pharma company is one of my employer's biggest clients, but I think Big Pharma gets too much of the blame. Obviously they want to sell as much product as possible (like, you know, pretty much every other industry in existence) but they CAN'T without the doctors diagnosing and writing scrips. It reminds me of the parents who buy their kids toys and crappy food and then blame the companies for advertising their products: "but I just couldn't say no!"
Again, I'm not saying Big Pharma is perfect by any means, but there's plenty of blame to go around.
I did say "medical/pharmacuetical" 😉
There are a couple of feedback loops that drive this problem.
Someone discovers a treatment (a pill) that cures or mitigates a major illness. Everyone is thrilled.
So the pill maker starts looking to solve other illnesses that be treated with pills. More success, everyone is thrilled.
As time goes on, everyone, including the pill maker, the doctor, the patient, comes to believe that every problem, big or small, can be treated with a pill.
In normal circumstances, the cost/benefit ratio would limit how many small problems people would seek to treat with a pill. But we don't have normal circumstances -- insurace and entitlement spending hide the true cost, so people begin to think every little imaginable problem can be treated by a pill no matter what the true cost really is.
Even the most honest and well-meaning provider of services and medication can fall pray to urge to drive up business so long as everyone is getting paid.
For the record, I was agreeing with you.
Ok.
I find that middle age makes it more difficult to do real work and post in parallel. Hurts my reading comprehension. There must be a pill to help that.
The problem is especially bad in neurology and psychiatry. There are so few true treatments for the diseases they see that when something that does help a subset of patients comes along there is a temptation to try it on other disorders. Unfortunately the outcome of this often is that you are merely drugging lots of people into a compliant state.
For every kid who legitimately has ADHD, or Bipolar, or any real illness, there's a hundred more that are being medicated just to keep them marginally compliant. Parenting is hard, and as a society, we've pretty much lost the tatse for doing things that are hard. Much easier to drug the little sprogs into submission.
I look at a lot of this with an extremely jaundiced eye. If I were growing up now, I'd probably be diagnosed with multiple issues and medicated out of my gours. I can't see that it would have made me a better person in the long run.
I was a boy scout leader way back. I saw lots of medicated kids that just needed a good smack upside the head.
We can all bitch and moan about the abuse of medication to solve discipline problems. Be we need to always remember there are people that really need meds.
You have to realize that we're just now exiting the medieval period of psychiatry (comparable to when medicine was based on humorism and involved bleeding and cupping) and are finally moving into what could be called an early modern period. So treatments have improved, yes, but there is still a lot of nonsense in the field.
The basic reason so many kids are psychiatrically medicated in the USA is the same reason babies were given opiates a century ago: to quiet them down.
I believe that's also why bleeding was perceived as working. Your patient is in torment, writhing on the bed and moaning; you bleed patient; your patient improves and finally gets much needed sleep. When they later die, well, at least they died peacefully. Clearly the bleeding had not been applied early enough, or the patient was too weakened by the sickness to survive.
This sounds like Paul Krugman's answer to why the stimulus didn't work. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
You have to realize that we're just now exiting the medieval period of psychiatry
Wasn't Benjamin Rush the first person to say that?
Two psychiatrists pass in the hall. The first says, "Hello." The other thinks, "I wonder what he meant by that."
Psychiatrist: What is wrong with your brother?
Sister: He thinks he's a chicken.
Psychiatrist: How long has be been acting like a chicken?
Sister: Three years. We would have come in sooner, but we needed the eggs.
Two Skinnerians have hot, passionate sex. One says to the other, "It was great for you, how was it for me?"
One major problem here is that the drugs under discussion are only available by prescription.
That is what builds in the incentive both for drug companies to try to get doctors to invent bullshit "syndromes" and stretch diagnoses, and for patients to work the system.
Much easier to drug the little sprogs into submission.
I'd buy that if ritalin was an opiate. But it's not. It's a stimulant. If giving a kid a stimulant produces calmer behavior, that outcome by itself pretty much proves the ADHD diagnosis.
It's is fundamentally true that if you give someone that has ADD a stimulant they calm down. When a doctor makes a diagnosis, then the stimulant calms the kid down, it's a good validation of the diagnosis.
Now the process is being short-cut, if you give a kid speed and he calms down, he must be ADD.
Schools are now forcing parents to medicate kids to see if they'll calm down before a trained psych has made a diagnosis. If the parent refuses, the kid is ejected from school. This is utter bullshit.
Um, have you ever tried ritalin? It can cause more focused behavior. As do most stimulants. The fidgety kid gets engaged in drawing a picture and forgets to fidget. He must have ADD! No. No more than being more focused on coffee proves I have ADD.
Excellent point.
Excellent point.
Have you ever seen a kid with serious ADD take ritalin? Two entirely different people -- before and after.
No argument from me. But as with your bipolar example above, I've seen too much marginal/mis- diagnosis because "the treatment works". Defined loosely as: the person is no longer an acute pain in their family's ass.
Ritalin is a serious stimulant. Causes sleeplessness and other problems. So you could only give it to kids during the day. Makes them tolerable for school, but the stuff is just starting to wear off a dinner time. Doesn't do a whole lot for family time 😉
But you are correct that "normal" people can get a marginal improvement in performing mental tasks when taking ritalin.
The problem is that schools have taken the position that this marginal improvement in performance actually does "diagnose" ADD in kids. And if you refuse to medicate your kids, the schools will refuse to allow your kids in the school.
Certainly the drug companies need the doctors to come up with bullshit syndromes, otherwise they'd have to do it themselves.
The prescription benefits the drug company by insulating them from ridiculous health claims - as long as some doctors say it's OK then it makes it hard to refute. (The idiot coroner in Mississippi Balko did several articles on comes to mind.)
The dirty secret is that 99% of doctors don't know jack shit about pharmaceuticals other than what the drug companies tell them. In front of a jury, a doctor will probably have the "expert testimony" edge over a pharmacist. Marketing usually trumps facts in such scenarios.
No, it doesn't prove any diagnosis. Uppers & downers just work anomalously in children. A pharmacology prof illustrated this with an anecdote whereby he tried to calm his son down before a flight by giving phenobarbital. It just made him less controllable.
The circuits don't work like you think they do.
Stimulants like Ritalin increase the ability to focus by stimulating the highest-functioning parts of the brain. Depressants like phenobarbital (and, more commonly, alcohol) shut down the inhibitory neurons before the activity neurons, and so the result of two drinks is a loss of inhibitions while the result of ten is a loss of consciousness.
" That makes it possible to expand diagnostic boundaries or even create new diagnoses"
I GOT TEH CRAZY LEGS!!!
FEETS DON'T FAIL ME NOW!
Unlike the conditions treated in most other branches of medicine, there are no objective signs or tests for mental illness?no lab data or MRI findings?and the boundaries between normal and abnormal are often unclear. That makes it possible to expand diagnostic boundaries or even create new diagnoses, in ways that would be impossible, say, in a field like cardiology. And drug companies have every interest in inducing psychiatrists to do just that.
But since FDA approval requires proof of efficacy, wouldn't superfluous conditions make the approval process even harder? ie, if my drug is supposed to cure a fictitious condition termed "mwahahahaism", don't I now have to conduct trials to show that my drug cures it?
Yes, but the same people that make up the diagnosis, also make up the criteria for success.
Proof of efficacy only requires that the group getting the drug does slightly better than the one receiving the placebo. The evidence is in observed behavior rather than any objective test.
many people think the whole medicate the kids thing is part of the whole "feminist plot" to demasculanize boys.
it certainly is hardly arguable, at least when i was a kid, that the vast majority of classroom and recess "disruptors" were boys, not girls.
in general, boys/men are far more likely to be confined to a mental institution, etc. (and clearly more likely to "go postal".)
think back to elementary/high school. at least ime, the kids who were always fidgeting in class, showing off, getting sent to the principal's office, etc. were almost always boys.
the former feminist ideology (first wave) was nurture not nature. now, it has reversed.
Just boys showing off for the girls. So it's really the girls' fault because they like it. Alpha male stuff, nature.
Of course, none of this solves the problem of people (kids included) that really need meds that don't get them because of stigma or refusing to believe that I (or little Johnny) is really sick.
Just a little tip out there to those who value their personal freedom and firearms rights--never, ever, ever mention that you're depressed and suicidal (or were that way in the recent past) to somebody else unless you absolutely trust them, because you stand the very real risk of getting caught in a 100% risk-averse machine that doesn't give a shit about you.
There's no evidentiary standard for involuntary "treatment", it will not matter that you have no desire to harm others, no criminal record or history of violence at all, all it takes is some he-said she-said and a judge can rule that despite having committed no violation of the law that you no longer are allowed to possess weapons or choose your own medical care because you constitute "a danger to yourself or others".
Great, now libertarians are against psychiatry? What happened? Did Tom Cruise made a donation to the Libertarian Party?
You really are one stupid dumb-fuck.
It's a troll with a blog set up for credibility. Probably a former or current commenter or editor.
I'd actually respect the guy more if he was just a stupid, dumb-fuck.
By the way, it is possible to be a troll and a stupid, dumb-fuck.
F-
Do you ever actually advocate any libertarian positions, or do you just love being ruled by the state?
MNG is more interested in freedom than you are.
My psych professor always made fun of psychiatrists, a supposedly scientific group that has never provided a theory that was either testable or shown to be of benefit. Psychiatry recently became mostly a pill pushing endeavor, when psychiatrists themselves apparently gave up on the notion of
traditional treatment ala Freudian
couches, etc. and decided that simply
calming folks down with tranquilizers was the way to go. It used to be lobotomies, before the public stopped taking anything psychiatrists said seriously. Psyciatry is mere quackery - it's
not even consistent, and never has been. I stopped counting long ago the number of "ians" popualting the field. Jungians, Freudians, Rogerians, etc. With this many members of a science totally disagreeing over basic tenets, you know you're not dealing with a science worthy of the name. In fact, there is no conceivable reason anyone would ever consider psychiatry a science, and never has been. Freud's is a joke these days and nothing better has come along since then.
Psychiatry recently became mostly a pill pushing endeavor, when psychiatrists themselves apparently gave up on the notion of traditional treatment ala Freudian couches, etc. and decided that simply calming folks down with tranquilizers was the way to go.
Just giving drugs pays a lot better than counseling. A lot of psychiatrists would like to do more counseling, but it doesn't reimburse for shit.
"Thanks to these giants in our field, we can make a nice living" - High Anxiety -
The chemistry of the brain is amenable to treatment, guys.
This anti-scientific stuff...
People that need meds should take them.
People that don't need meds shouldn't take them (except for recreational purposes).
Businesses that market to people that don't need meds (except for recreational purposes) -- not good.
Schools that demand that kids that don't need meds, take the meds or be banned from school -- evil.
I agree with the excessive over drugging. I believe psychiatry is pseudoscience. Psychiatric treatment very often does not get to the source of the "problem" and/or cure the "mental illness".
People need to know that there are alternatives to psychiatric medication(s).
I would like to clarify part of my comment: I agree that: there is way to much drugging of children especially and of people of all ages.
Have any of you folks heard the expression about throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Certainly there is some quackery in Psychiatry, but at the same time plenty of people have real problems that medicines do clearly help with (even if you can't quantify it clearly with the traditional scientific method).
I don't think anyone here has proposed denying medicine to people who feel they need it.
I am. Fuck those people.
I had a friend who took Paxil for a spell. What was once a fairly reserved guy became uber-asshole. He lost most of his social-anxiety, that's for sure.
My email to Gardiner Harris earlier this year:
Talk Doesn't Pay, So Psychiatry Turns Instead to Drug Therapy Comments:
I'd emailed you about this in 2008. I appreciate your having written about it now.
What extremes.
We went from the pseudo-religion of psychoanalysis, in which at least we listened to patients, to the "science" of widget psychiatry.
Our DSM codes validate our CPT codes, crammed back to back on an assembly line schedule ? spitting out coded prescriptions; if my widgets want to feel emotive relief, they need to talk faster, because I can't listen faster, especially since I'm busy trying to type into a productivity draining, compliance-oriented electronic health record that will say what third party payers want to hear and not describe the person in front of me, but who really cares anymore, next widget, please, and hurry, I'm running behind after a UR call from the managed care carve-out company denying more visits and another fax from the PBM company denying a prescription ... (breathe now)
I think Harlow's monkeys were better nurtured.
I've painted myself into a corner with promises of ingestible serenity in a passive complicity with third party payers, assuring them (and myself) by financial compliance that 15 minutes really is enough for human misery. I guess it is ? for a widget.
Oops. I seem to have lost my patient. I used to have one.
____ ____, M.D.
(? who now earns a salary in an institutional setting, caring for severely mentally ill people who had to commit crimes in order to receive adequate services. (true story))
Many psychiatrists would agree with Angell but judicious commentary should replace crusade. To claim that exercise and talk therapy are as effective as psychotropics is obtuse: many patients are unable to find the energy, time or money to pursue these former. Pills are easier for all parties to swallow and, yes, their highly prevalent side effects are generally manageable. Also see JD's comment.