Recycling Madness -- U.K. Version
This year my wife and I switched from our municipal waste pickup service with its separate garbage and recycling bins to a private company which practices "single bin recycling." Basically, we get to dump all our household detritus into one can and the company hauls it away to a materials recycling facility to be separated and sold. Our garbage ends up at van der linde Recycling. It costs the same as the municipal service without the hassle. This seems like a modern consumer-friendly cost-effective solution to waste disposal.
Things are apparently different across the pond in Britain. The Daily Mail reports:
Residents in Newcastle-under-Lyme are already being forced to follow the strict new recycling regime – with households juggling nine separate bins.
The containers include a silver slopbucket for food waste, which is then tipped into a green outdoor bin for kerb-side collections, a pink bag for plastic bottles, a green bag for cardboard, and a white bag for clothing and textiles.
See below and weep.
Most telling is that the private waste haulers and van der Linde Recyling are profitable while our municipal waste agency continues to lose money.
But single bin recycling is not loved by everyone. As our excellent local weekly The Hook reported:
After fending off a former employee-turned-extortionist, a $20 million government-filed RICO lawsuit, and dozens of bogus complaints filed with the Virginia Department of Environmental Quality, recycling entrepreneur Peter Van der Linde thought the "waste war" was over. But a Memorial Day weekend attack has sabotaged his entire fleet of trucks and tractors-- and taken that war to a new level.
"This wasn't a shot across the bow; they were trying to take us out," says Van der Linde, noting that not a single vehicle was left operable.
According to the silver-haired entrepreneur, who discovered the damage when he came to work on Monday morning, May 30, all 26 company vehicles on site had been disabled with holes gouged in radiators, gas tanks, and hydraulic lines.
"This was pretty hardcore," says Van der Linde, describing the attack as demonstrating "SWAT-like precision."
The perpetrators have yet to be caught.
Kudos to John Roskam at Australia's Institute for Public Affairs.
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They did an episode of Bullshit! about recycling. Part of the show was people acting as government officials telling citizens they had to separate their recycling into 9 containers (to see if people would actually put up with it).
That was just a joke, of course...
you beat me to this comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wS1dv3iat8
the fun starts at the 4 minute mark.
This was a lot funnier back when it was still just a Penn & Teller prank.
That's some real UK ridiculousness.
In PA we just toss everything into one bin, and no mob wars have ensued.
It's dumb anyway--we have plenty of landfill space. Especially in PA--we take NY and NJ waste because their effete residents are whiny little girls who don't want to dig their own landfills.
efficient landfillng ops demand recycling
it's not about the space
it will be about no landfill space much faster w/o recycling
No, it won't, actually.
Do you have any idea how much space there is in the world? Even a mind-bogglingly huge landfill takes up a pretty negligible amount of space. Running out of space to put trash is not a real problem.
If you watch the full P&T episode, it talks about a single 35x35 mile landfill (which could easily fit in the middle of a desert state and never seen) being able to take ALL THE WORLD's trash for 100 YEARS. Its not a space issue.
Yes, charging NY and NJ less per ton than PA municipalities, while our incinerator is sucking the state capital down a money hole.
I hear when the libertarians take over businesses will behave, and play fair with the consumer 😉
The same people who are convinced that the NSA is listening to their phone calls, have no problem with the government going through all of their trash and telling them how to separate it in the name of "the environment". Just imagine the hijinks that would result if DHS came out and said people had to report the contents of their garbage to the feds for the purpose of stopping terrorism.
Environmentalism is a cult.
?
People would have a fit if DHS did that. But somehow they think it is okay to do the same thing in the name of being green.
Oh I get that, and mostly agree. It was your first sentence that had me puzzled. In my personal experience I have noticed no significant overlap of tinfoil hat enthusiasts and environmentalists.
There is some overlap. The watermelons tend towards the 100 mpg carburetor kind of tinfoil hattery. The government and big business collude to destroy the environment, etc, etc.
Any political group or movement will have its share of crazies, but too often partisans will use the nuttier elements to generalize the opposition. The left does this as well: think of the tea parties.
Doing this doesn't attack the ideas of the opposition, but rather their conjured hypocrisy.
Again, I am reminded of the tea parties when the 'get govt off of my medicare' trope was beaten to death. Regardless of whether that was a true sentiment among a majority tea partiers didn't change the fact that our government is out of money.
The Left has to fabricate evidence to make the tea party looney, like cropping photos of a black man carrying a gun. The more they get people to think of their sane opponents as crazy, the more license it gives them to be crazy in the first place.
Just imagine the hijinks that would result if DHS came out and said people had to report the contents of their garbage to the feds for the purpose of stopping terrorism.
Funny you should mention that ...
John|6.16.11 @ 9:47AM|#
The same people who are convinced that the NSA is listening to their phone calls, have no problem with the government going through all of their trash and telling them how to separate it in the name of "the environment". Just imagine the hijinks that would result if DHS came out and said people had to report the contents of their garbage to the feds for the purpose of stopping terrorism.
Environmentalism is a cult.
Kudos. The non-sequitur of the year award goes to this post.
Not everything is connected.
Or everyone.
Diagnostic criteria for 301.0 Paranoid Personality Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A. A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:
(1) suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
(2) is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
(3) is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
(4) reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events
(5) persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
(6) perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
(7) has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
B. Does not occur exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia, a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features, or another Psychotic Disorder and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.
Note: If criteria are met prior to the onset of Schizophrenia, add "Premorbid," e.g., "Paranoid Personality Disorder (Premorbid)."
NM: OTOH: Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't that they are not out to get you. 🙂
No shit
Proverbs for paranoids:
"You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures."(pg 237)
"The innocence of the creatures is in inverse proportion to the immorality of the Master." (pg 241)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers." (pg 251)
"You hide, they seek." (pg 262)
"Paranoids are not paranoids because they're paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations."(pg 292)
Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
I have no real arguments. Enjoy quotes.
I am supposed to argue with....what exactly? Did you read the post that I was responding to? Posting Pynchon quotes seems more appropriate.
I've always wondered how the government can get away with forcing me to provide free labor to the waste companies. My argument was always that if there is money in recycling, they should have to mine my garbage to get it.
"This was pretty hardcore," says Van der Linde, describing the attack as demonstrating "SWAT-like precision."
I didn't see anything about dogs being killed.
These blast points, too accurate for sand people. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise.
+1
lol
Gosh, who would possibly sabotage a private-sector competitor of a municipal service?
Its a puzzlement.
PBS and that Sesame Street bastard Oscar
I eagerly await the thorough police investigation of this wanton destruction of property.
Oh, wait, I'm serious? Let me laugh even harder.
looks like Paulie did not get his cut
looking at the picture above, can someone tell me what the difference between "indoor" and "outdoor" food is?
ah, never mind - reading comprehension to the rescue!
looking at the picture above, can someone tell me what the difference between "indoor" and "outdoor" food is?
curses
I think I'd curse at both of them.
...with households juggling nine separate bins.
British lawmakers in the pocket of Big Bin.
Hmmm...
"But I guess this is what you get when you take food from a dog when he's still eating."
This guy is a fighter.
After fending off a former employee-turned-extortionist, a $20 million government-filed RICO lawsuit, and dozens of bogus complaints filed with the Virginia Department of Environmental Quality, recycling entrepreneur Peter Van der Linde thought the "waste war" was over. But a Memorial Day weekend attack has sabotaged his entire fleet of trucks and tractors-- and taken that war to a new level.
I suspect the shopping cart people.
Heading up the investigation, Lt. David Wells of the Fluvanna County Sheriff's Office says officials are working to develop leads and motives for the destruction but says it's too early to say who committed the crime-- or why.
They've obviously got their best man on the case. Keep digging, Depitty!
I suggest putting Det. Phelps on the case. He always gets his man. Who may or may not be the actual perp, but hey, you can't have everything.
In the London borough of Camden it's a two bin system - one for trash, one for recycling.
In my kommune in Copenhagen it was a one bin system.
I dread even the thought that this will eventually come to blows. The frames of reference for the left and right are so far apart and the left seems hell-bent on forcing their will.....
As dreadful as it would be, I can tell you who would win.
its the UK so relax w the generalities.
omg lol...so true
teh uk have unversal medical covrage so americans have no busness critasizing them
quite thinkin about my coverage!
""This was pretty hardcore," says Van der Linde, describing the attack as demonstrating "SWAT-like precision."
In Unrelated news, local police are being lauded for their successful work over the weekend. An assault on a suspected environmental terrorist firm was conducted as a result of an unusual joint request by concerned government employees and members of the local Italian American community.
I half expected the next sentence to mention the junkyard dog getting shot.
lol, OK thats actually kinda crazy when you think about it.
http://www.complete-privacy.no.tc
Also, one of my MUD directors asked us if we thought paying 60K a year for recycling was worth it. I pointed out to her that if recycling was really a value proposition, Waste Management wouldn't be charging us for recycling. They would be able to generate a revenue stream from the recycled products. This had previously escaped her notice.
Not to sound conspiracy-minded but it is possible that WM is making money on recycling and gouging the local govt.
Waste Management are some sneaky fuckers.
That has occurred to me as well.
Well, if they are making enough to sustain themselves (and then some) then they won't stop if funding dries up. It'd be a good way to test for that.
Newcastle-under-Lyme sounds like a job for Oxyclean!
Here's how you do it.
http://ruraltourismmarketing.c.....d-garbage/
NM: You are joking, right? Or is this an example of the kind of "green job" creation we can look forward to?
I love when the DM posts an enviro story because it gives me a reason to visit your site since you have no other source material when it comes to the earth and what we need to be doing for it.
You people are so quick to throw out videos by those morons P&T and to snark and make stupid comments, but the fact that we are killing the earth is undeniable. Wil you not be satisfied until you can land a 747 on the floating island of trash in the Pacific? Will you not be satisfied until the ice caps melt and every person within 100 miles of an ocean are driven into the sea? Will you not be satisfied until we are all living in Waterworld?
Grow up, you libertarians, and join the real world. A world where government often is the best solution because people are too goddamned selfish to do what's right for their fellow inhabitants of the planet.
my own man: Cite, please.
Cite for what? The trash dumped into the oceans has been tracked for at least three decades, as has it's consistent growth. As far as the oceans rising due to increased polar temperatures, don't you have a TV set? This has been accepted by the scientific community since at least the 70's. Sure the name's changed, but the science behind it hasn't.
Cite...puh-leeze. OK, here's your cite for all the info I posted.
None of that has anything to do with what this post is discussing.
Seriously, the nonexistent floating trash island in the Pacific. Too fucking funny! 'mom' gets troll (?) of the day award.
butthurt
@ Ron & lol:
Guys, my sarcasmometer is goin crazy, maybe check the batteries in yours.
Why in the world would accepted science and common sense be confused with sarcasm? Oh, because I'm on a libertarded message board, that's why.
Ok, nevermind, it was my meter that needed new batteries.
A lot of recycling is more energy intensive than actually producing new products. So recycling does not help with global warming.
And did you miss the part where the private companies are recycling? This is not an anti-recycling post, just an anti-government-stupidity post. Recycling can be accomplished perfectly well without 9 bins.
Ass.
+1
If you expend more effort than you save, then its not worth it. MAYBE you'll slow down the depletion of one resource, but you hasten the demise of everything else.
Consider: how much extra gas is burned by all these different trucks? Do you know what chemicals are used in the recycling process? Do you know how they are disposed of?
A world where government often is the best solution because people are too goddamned selfish to do what's right for their fellow inhabitants of the planet.
The Progressive's version of "Stop me, before I kill again!"
Uh, no. It's actually the progressive version of how the fuck to save the planet from destruction.
What are you, nuts? Governments have a terrible record when it comes to the environment. Are you truly so naive as to think that government and greedy corporations are opposing forces?
I just got to wondering....what exactly goes in the "General Waste" bin? I mean, every piece of trash i create is covered by one of the non-general categories....so what's that big-ass bin for?
Oh, wait, duh, it's for generating fines. How could i forget about that vital portion of the sanitation process.
how the fuck to save the planet from destruction.
You're overwrought; go have a juice box and a lie-down.
So, has glass been banned in the UK or something?
I notice that there is no bin for glass bottles in the photo.
Anyone interested in this country's recycling program should read Daniel K. Benjamin's "Eight Great Myths of Recycling. It's excellent.
http://www.perc.org/pdf/ps28.pdf
And if you feel it's too outdated, here's a more recent paper by the same author, revisiting the issue:
http://www.perc.org/files/ps47.pdf
Labor is not a fan of a single-source waste stream because fewer waste streams mean fewer truck routes that need to be scheduled and less work for Teamsters... Fewer bins mean less work for janitors in commercial buildings...
Mr. Bailey you have:
1)drank the Orange Koolaid (orange is color of van der everything).
2)committed sloppy journalism
3)unfairly fired your garbage man due to deceptive trade practice at van der Linde.
IF YOU THINK YOUR GARBAGE ENDS UP AT VAN DER LINDE YOU ARE WRONG
Your garbage makes a stop at van der Linde. Some of it is recycled, and I have seen garbage often directly transferred (when they get busy, etc or lazy?) and off it goes.
YOUR GARBAGE ENDS UP AT A RICHMOND AREA LANDFILL.
So van der Linde is sometimes doing better than just landfilling.
INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM is in order, I challenge you to dig deeper into the trash pile, in search of the truth.
Shame on you for parakeeting info unchecked. Go directly back to journalism school.