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Politics

Don't Trust Anybody Under 65

Tim Cavanaugh | 3.7.2011 12:26 PM

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At Truth-Out, Dave Lindorff girds the Baby Boomers for their last battle, the defense of big Social Security paydays:

What we showed back then in our youth and our formative young-adult years was that when our interests were on the line, as they were with the draft, or when we saw a gross injustice, as was the case with Jim Crow, we knew how to fight politically. I'm not suggesting that the people born in the decade and a half after World War II are particularly radical, but I am suggesting that when this age cohort gets riled and the right issue or issues sets the spark, we've got the spirit and experience to take that struggle to the streets and the halls of Congress. And both our personal interests and our sense of justice are certainly on the line when it comes to the growing attack on Social Security and Medicare…

My prediction: As the number of Boomers nearing or entering retirement soars, and the number anticipating or signing up for Medicare soars over the next few years, we will see massive national campaigns grow around not just saving these programs but expanding and improving them.

For the record, the Voting Rights Act was signed in 1965. Given that the Baby Boom is generally considered to have begun with the end of World War II in September 1945, and given that in 1965 only the states of Georgia, Kentucky, Alaska and Hawaii allowed voting by citizens under the age of 21, it's fair to conclude that the Baby Boomers had nothing to do with the end of Jim Crow.

That having been said, I think that in the unlikely event a president decides to take up the flag that President George W. Bush dropped in the heat of battle, Lindorff's prognosis will prove accurate. Leave aside the question of whether there is or ever really was a politically homogeneous Baby Boom generation. There are just too many people receiving benefits for any attempt to reduce Social Security payouts to become popular within the next decade. (Beyond that time, there's an outside chance at best, but if time does not stand still for Suze Rotolo, it will not stand still for anybody.) The only reforms possible are marginal penalties and denials of service inflicted on Americans currently working and not yet eligible for benefits. Raising the retirement age is the obvious lever, and having been born after the dispensation of the fullness of times (i.e., after 1960 and thus ineligible to receive until age 67) I don't see why we can't jack that baby way up.

If the Boomers were capable of the kind of collective thought Lindorff posits, they would realize that Social Security reform is not a threat but a chance for the boomers to get one last bite at the apple. A coherent boomer lobby would move right now to create a "full retirement" age of 70 for anybody born after whatever year everybody agrees was the beginning of Generation X (in my experience that year keeps shifting depending on the age of the statistician). They would also hike the partial-benefits age on current workers, which for some reason has not been increased since my dad's time and is still a sprightly 62. That should be at least 68. Finally, they would create a new post-1960 category for estimating delayed retirement credits -- ratcheting the current yearly rate of increase from its current 8 percent back down to the original 5.5 percent created for people born in the 19th century. That would make future payout projections much rosier.

This is politically feasible. My team will never have the votes. It even has an intuitive appeal: God only promised you threescore and ten; after that you're the government's problem.

In fact, that AARP is not leading the charge for Social Security reform tells you that the boomers are not the engagé cohort Lindorff imagines. It tells you also that wishful thinking remains unsurprisingly popular. Once again, the economy is not Family Feud. It doesn't matter what the survey says. It matters what reality is.

Back in the 20th Century, Reason's own Mr. Mxyzptlk immortalized the moment that members of the don't-trust-anybody-over-30 generation began to team up with their parents against their children:

The costs of "national crises" are always paid by the relatively young. Those of us who were born at the tail end of the baby boom or later lived through the shift from the Me Generation to the We Generation, a stroke of luck that inspired maximum cynicism. The sudden reverence for the elderly, as with all things related to the boomers, seems overly self-interested and sanctimonious. Things were fishy enough when the same folks who exclaimed, "Don't trust anyone over 30" in the '60s only a few years later offered up Logan's Run, with its revisionist message that even actor Michael York should be allowed to live into a fourth decade.

Can anyone seriously doubt that -- given the boomers' penchant for sucking up all the shrimp and steak in the buffet line of life -- they are setting up the rest of us not merely to fork over ever more generous portions of our wages to fund their Social Security and Medicare (hey, why shouldn't face lifts and Viagra prescriptions be covered?) but to deny us any last crumb of joy that comes simply from being younger than them? We have, after all, spent a lifetime being castigated for following in the boomers' footsteps and being found wanting: They were idealistic, we were cynical; they did drugs to open the doors of perception, we did them just to get high; they dodged the draft out of high moral purpose, we simply forgot to register for selective service at the post office; they had the Manson Family, we had the Menendez Brothers; their congressional impeachment hearing was about a president fucking the country over, ours is about blowjobs; and on and on. And now, in a stunning, cunning gambit, they are laying the groundwork to rob us of our last remaining generational birthright: the simple, unfettered pleasure of some day dancing on their graves.

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  1. Achtung Baby   14 years ago

    Generation X: 1964-1979. If you don't agree with me, then talk to the hand!

    1. albo   14 years ago

      I was born in 1961. But I feel no affinity with the boomers, nor do I identify with the Gen Xers defined by the 1980s.

      So I invented a term for those of us on the cusp: Disco Teens. If you had disco at your prom, you're a Disco Teen.

      1. Achtung Baby   14 years ago

        There does seem to be an overlapping segment of the Boomers and X'ers that experience cultural milestones of both generations. My dad and uncle were born in '58 and '65 respectively, but neither seem like the Boomer type, nor do they seem like Generation X'ers. "Disco Teens," you say....They are truly a "lost generation."

        1. toxic   14 years ago

          Broad stereotypes of everyone born during a particular decades long period are rubbish designed to allow for sloppy, nostalgic bullshit and bad journalism.

          1. Troll   14 years ago

            Yup.

            the Baby Boomers had nothing to do with the end of Jim Crow.

            Or the beginning of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

    2. Spiny Norman   14 years ago

      Not me, man. I'm Generation Jones.

    3. JW   14 years ago

      Birthrates peaked in late 1959-early 1960 and trended down. Boom over.

      Anyone born after that, by any rational definition, is not a Boomer.

      1. Troll   14 years ago

        Too bad you don't get to make the definitions.

        1. Night Elf Mohawk   14 years ago

          The birth rate was above the 1945 level until 1964. By any rational definition, that's when the boom ended.

  2. Alan Vanneman   14 years ago

    "If the Boomers were capable of the kind of collective thought Lindorff posits ....

    Well, dude, we aren't cabable of collective thought, or any other kind. We just want our meds. Our meds and our money.

    1. Paul   14 years ago

      Well, dude, we aren't cabable of collective thought, or any other kind. We just want our meds. Our meds and our money.

      Well, you want my money and your viagra... paid for with my money.

  3. CoyoteBlue   14 years ago

    The Government Teet: fat and succulant and with an unending flow of milk and honey.

  4. robc   14 years ago

    Raising the retirement age is the obvious lever, and having been born after the dispensation of the fullness of times (i.e., after 1960 and thus ineligible to receive until age 67) I don't see why we can't jack that baby way up.

    Continuing the 2 months per year trend that went from 1954 to 1960 is the first obvious thing.

    So 1960 is 67 years.
    1966: 68 years
    1969: 68 and 6 months (my YOB)
    1972: 69 years
    1978: 70 years
    1984: 71 years
    1990: 72 years
    1996: 73 years
    2002: 74 years
    2008: 75 years

    etc, no need to post it for the unborn.
    I doubt that dramatic saves things, but its a start. It pushes off the late boomers a few months, at the very least.

    1. robc   14 years ago

      Its not even a problem for planning. Earliest affected would be those born in 1961, who are still 17 years away, so what is another 2 months?

      1. Vermont Gun Owner   14 years ago

        Earliest affected would be those born in 1961, who are still 17 years away, so what is another 2 months?

        You try living in Somalia for two months without roads!

        1. Barry D   14 years ago

          LOL At first I read "roids".

      2. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

        You, I'd settle with ramping up the eligibility age with reduction of input from my generation along with reduction in benefits. If the government were to tell everyone born after 1980 "yeah, we're not going to pay you", I'd be fine with that if they took my pay in amount and reduced it to 0 in the next decade.

        1. robc   14 years ago

          I would be fine if they set that date at 1968, meaning I never collected.

          1. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

            Politically I think it would be difficult to get many people that have paid in for more than a decade to agree on the phase out, no benefits plan. But something is going to have to be done because this we're in a hole and still digging furiously.

            1. AlmightyJB   14 years ago

              I definately would have taken that deal and often said so in my early 30's. Stop taking my money and keep what you collected. Done. Pushing 50, I'm not feeling that generous, although I'm certaintly ok with taking some reductions as part of a total phase out. Bitches owe me some of that money back though.

        2. Dave   14 years ago

          No worries. It's clear to me when I read articles like this, the author has no real concept of the extent of the problem. The money's gone NOW. That's right...the trust fund is a myth. If you don't believe me, read the SS/Medicare Trustees Report. The reason that AARP is not lobbying for SS reform is because SS is not the problem - Medicare is. Think you'd miss your SS check? Trying to get a triple bypass and all the accompanying rehab for less than six figures. The Boomers may have voting power, but 100% of 0 is still 0.

  5. Off topic   14 years ago

    Off Topic: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/201.....pting.html REASON RESPOND PLZ!!!

    1. Off topic   14 years ago

      c'mon guys, help a brother out.

    2. Rob McMillin   14 years ago

      Nor are state and local government pension funds broke. They're underfunded, in large measure because ? like the investments held in 401(k) plans by American private-sector employees ? they sunk along with the entire stock market during the Great Recession of 2007-2009.

      Been there, done that. The standard talking point of every goddamn lefty commentator is that "the system isn't broke, it just requires some fixing".

  6. robc   14 years ago

    Here is a fun fact: If you are born on the first of the month, you are considered to be born the previous month for SS purposes.

    Those who have done much programming know what happened, some programmer made a fence post error and instead of correcting the bug, they encoded it.

    1. Brett L   14 years ago

      "That's a feature, not a bug!"

    2. Vermont Gun Owner   14 years ago

      Well with this razor thin budget, how do you expect to pay programmers to go back and fix these things?

  7. Ice Nine   14 years ago

    >>Can anyone seriously doubt that -- given the boomers' penchant for sucking up all the shrimp and steak in the buffet line of life -- they are setting up the rest of us not merely to fork over ever more generous portions of our wages to fund their Social Security and Medicare.

    Social Security and Medicare - that's that shrimp and steak that we are standing in line for and we haven't even, practically speaking, started "sucking it up". You see, son, we bought a buffet ticket at the requisite price and dutifully stood in line, and though we're happy to not overload our plates with the ol' surf 'n turf so there'll be some for the second sitting, you can damn betcha we're going to dine.

    1. robc   14 years ago

      No buffet ticket was bought.

      The guy selling the tickets was a fraud, none of the money went into the buffet fund.

      1. BradK   14 years ago

        The money went to pay for the guy in front of him in line, just like the guy behind him paid for his meal. The problem is there aren't enough folks behind that guy behind him to keep the trough stocked.

        Ponzi Buffet might be a better term.

        1. Barry D   14 years ago

          That would be a great '80s cover band!

          Ponzi Buffet

      2. Ice Nine   14 years ago

        >>"No buffet ticket was bought.
        The guy selling the tickets was a fraud, none of the money went into the buffet fund."

        Your first sentence is incorrect. Your second one is spot on.

        1. robc   14 years ago

          No, the first sentence is correct. You bought something called a buffet ticket, but it wasnt.

          No buffet tickets were sold.

          That sentence is absolutely correct.

          1. Ice Nine   14 years ago

            What sophistic nonsense.

          2. zoltan   14 years ago

            No one bought anything. We're forced to give it up.

            1. Ice Nine   14 years ago

              Give what up? - "no one bought anything".

              Fact is we did buy something and we will indeed have to give some of it up.

    2. creech   14 years ago

      You and your parents refused to reform social security back when it would have been so much easier. (I'm talking the laughter that greeted Barry Goldwater's tepid reform proposals and every attempt since.)
      I don't see why the AARP has not gotten behind reforms that would raise the retirement age for those age 45 and lower. I guess they don't care at all for social justice and want inter-generational warfare.

      1. kiki the sea slug   14 years ago

        The AARP is afraid to make any controversial moves so soon after driving so many of its dues-payers away by supporting Obama's death panels.

    3. albo   14 years ago

      But all that shrimp and sirloin isn't killing you guys fast enough, so you're using up your SS contributions quickly and then spending years on my dime. That's the problem.

      Please toss some butter pats on the steak--get those arteries cloggin quicker.

      1. zoltan   14 years ago

        Saturated fat does not clog arteries.

        1. Mensan   14 years ago

          THIS

    4. Paul   14 years ago

      You see, son, we bought a buffet ticket at the requisite price and dutifully stood in line, and though we're happy to not overload our plates with the ol' surf 'n turf so there'll be some for the second sitting, you can damn betcha we're going to dine.

      Sure, as long as you get kicked out of the buffet line when you've eaten the equivalent of what you put into it.

      From where I stand, most of you are one bran muffin over budget.

      1. Ice Nine   14 years ago

        Seems reasonable, doesn't it - but for the fact that what we paid for was "all you 'can' eat". You want to change the rules, do it to the guys who haven't entered the stream. (metaphor OD alert!)

        1. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

          I'd be comfortable pulling the carpet out from under you, wrapping you in it and rolling it out the door and then closing down the buffet entirely. All I need is a majority or complete economic collapse. I'm ok with either one.

          1. Ice Nine   14 years ago

            That's cool. Good luck on the majority, BTW - there are 70 million Baby Boomers and, unlike their progeny, most of them vote.

            1. Paul   14 years ago

              there are 70 million Baby Boomers and, unlike their progeny, most of them vote.

              We know, we've got the political system to prove it.

              1. Ice Nine   14 years ago

                Yep, one man, one vote. Seems like a pretty reasonable system, no?

          2. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

            You may have both.

        2. oncogenesis   14 years ago

          the fact that what we paid for was "all you 'can' eat".

          How's that? You may have been sold "all you can eat", but you paid for the folks in front of you (as pointed out above).

        3. Red Rocks Rockin   14 years ago

          Seems reasonable, doesn't it - but for the fact that what we paid for was "all you 'can' eat". You want to change the rules, do it to the guys who haven't entered the stream

          It doesn't matter a bit what you paid for.

          The money's gone. It doesn't exist.

          And if you think "I PAID INTO THIS, I'M ENTITLED TO IT, FUCK YOU IT'S MINE!!" the small case of Flemming vs. Nestor might open your eyes.

    5. Red Rocks Rockin   14 years ago

      You see, son, we bought a buffet ticket at the requisite price and dutifully stood in line, and though we're happy to not overload our plates with the ol' surf 'n turf so there'll be some for the second sitting, you can damn betcha we're going to dine.

      You're not going to be dining on anything other than your own sense of self-satisfaction.

      The money's gone, and the Supreme Court has said you aren't entitled to a dime of it anyway, no matter how much you've paid into the system.

      What are you going to do--force the system to cater to your needs? You've got two whole generations that have seen what the baby boomers have wrought over the last 40 years--a social dysfunction of broken homes, overscaled communities, massive debt both personal and institutional--and are now watching the same boomers raise their arms aghast at the failure of our leaders to fix the problems to which the boomers gave hideous birth. Do you really think that you'll be met with any sort of sympathy as your hips start to break with increasing frequency?

      Ironically, the most navel-gazing generation in America's history will never examine their legacy with any self-awareness, whining to the end about the lack of enthusiasm with which their demands are met.

      1. kiki the sea slug   14 years ago

        One of the most defining characteristic of the boomers is their assault on all fronts on the idea of personal responsibility. I am continually amazed at work at how hard it is to get a boomer to ever admit that they have made a mistake. Sometimes it really hampers efforts to fix problems.

  8. R C Dean   14 years ago

    it's fair to conclude that the Baby Boomers had nothing to do with the end of Jim Crow.

    Can't be repeated often enough, since the Boomers love to trot out this myth to shore up their moral cred.

    Subtract that, what Lindorff is boasting about here is the ability of the Boomers to to to the mattresses to advance their self-interest. They aren't called the Me Generation for nothing, you know.

    1. robc   14 years ago

      Come now. Everyone knows boomers were whining to their parents to change the Jim Crow laws. Right?

      1. Auntie Semitic   14 years ago

        "I'd like to help you son but you're too young to vote"

      2. Half-Educated Lefty   14 years ago

        What no shout-out for ending the Vietnam War?

        1. kinnath   14 years ago

          That's why we loves tricky Dick.

        2. Red Rocks Rockin   14 years ago

          Considering how long the war went on, I'd chalk up that as big bucket of failure. Given this, I guess it's hardly a shock that Afghanistan and Iraq have been conducted under the aegis of baby boomer presidents.

  9. X   14 years ago

    fire up Carousel on the people with the richest government pension payouts until budget equilibrium is reached.

  10. Brian Sorgatz   14 years ago

    There are just too many people receiving benefits for any attempt to reduce Social Security payouts to become popular within the next decade.

    Prostate exams aren't popular with the old farts who need them, but they happen anyway out of grim necessity. The stubborn fact that governments everywhere are running out of money will force the issue pretty soon.

    Having been raised by totalitarian boomers who smugly fancied themselves hip, easygoing parents, I take schadenfreude in the perversely beautiful storm that is gathering.

    1. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

      In contrast, I'd say my boomer parents have already prepared for the coming SS amargeddon and paln to contribute the overbalance of there payout/take in to a fund for my siblings and I to use, realizing that we'll never see our inputs ever return from the same system.

  11. dbcooper   14 years ago

    We will smash the gerontocracy.

    1. Paul   14 years ago

      It'll break a hip before we ever get to it.

      1. dbcooper   14 years ago

        🙂 I suspect that a maximum voting age may be the only way to deal with it.

  12. Forbes   14 years ago

    IIRC, everyone of the Chicago Seven/Eight were born before Pearl Harbor--which pretty much reflects the generation of protest from the '60s, whether Jim Crow or the military draft. So not only are the Boomers not monolithic, they're not the "60s protesters" they often claim.

  13. Waquoit   14 years ago

    What "big Social Security paydays" are we talking about? $18K?

    1. fish   14 years ago

      Multiply by a "shitload" of boomers.

      1. Barry D   14 years ago

        Several Shitloads, actually, at least if you're talking Metric Shitloads. Nobody uses the Imperial Shitload any more, in any scholarly literature.

      2. kiki the sea slug   14 years ago

        Even one baby boomer is a shitload - or at least a load of shit.

  14. Jack On   14 years ago

    You're going to lose some money either way; either the old folks suck us dry in taxes, or you cut them off and they move back in with you (and balk at the idea of paying rent; "I gave birth to you, you ingrate!"). Pick your poison.

    1. kiki the sea slug   14 years ago

      1. Old folks move in.
      2. Purchase smothering pillow.
      3. ????
      4. Profit!

      1. Rob McMillin   14 years ago

        All hail smoking!

    2. Pablo   14 years ago

      Soylent Green!!!!

      "It takes all kinds of critters to make Farmer Vincent's Fritters!"

    3. Red Rocks Rockin   14 years ago

      You're going to lose some money either way; either the old folks suck us dry in taxes, or you cut them off and they move back in with you (and balk at the idea of paying rent; "I gave birth to you, you ingrate!").

      You mean traditional, multi-generational households? John Dewey's ghost is having the faints.

  15. MNG   14 years ago

    Man, Bob Dylan is/was one ugly sob...

  16. albo   14 years ago

    And I wanna kiss whoever wrote this:

    given the boomers' penchant for sucking up all the shrimp and steak in the buffet line of life

    Put. Down. Those. Crab Legs. Grandpa!

    1. Paul   14 years ago

      If memory serves me, it was Nick Gillespie.

  17. Jersey Patriot   14 years ago

    If the US is okay financially, Social Security will be fine, only requiring some modest tweaks. If the country is in serious financial trouble, Social Security will be more a symptom of the problem than a cause. Medicare is a much, much bigger problem.

    As for raising the retirement age, that makes Social Security even more regressive than it already is. The poor don't live as long as the rich and collect fewer benefits. The wage cap on the tax hits the poor and middle class more than high earners. Raising the retirement age cuts a few years off the rich and most of the benefit to the poor. Means testing is much less nasty, although I don't know if means testing will consume its savings (someone has to test the means, after all).

    1. Lost_In_Translation   14 years ago

      Means tested, changing the pension style, etc I'm fine with if they sunset the damn thing within the next 30 years. Roll all the benefits for poor seniors into Medicare then cap Medicare payouts (hell, give the geezers lump sum amounts to spend on healthcare rather than the current "pay the doctors whatever they want" system). The amount of money saved alone in government jobs will make the new system sustainable even if medicare ends up costing more in outlays.

      1. Mensan   14 years ago

        Lost_In_Translation|3.7.11 @ 3:39PM|#
        ...(hell, give the geezers lump sum amounts to spend on healthcare rather than the current "pay the doctors whatever they want" system).

        That should be the "pay the doctors whatever the bureaucrats feel like paying them, which is usually sustantially less then they would be able to bill for the same service in the private sector, while attempting to keep the Medicare reimbursement below the actual expense for the doctor to provide said service" system.

  18. Vermont Gun Owner   14 years ago

    Last week a professor was asked me what generation I'm in, and I had no idea.

    Born in the 80's, first time I paid attention to politics was the 2000 election, had the internet since jr high...

    Whats that make me?

    1. SugarFree   14 years ago

      Generation Y. You have to have had the Internet most of your life to be considered a "Millennial." (Why they aren't "Z" is curious.)

      1. Episiarch   14 years ago

        The "Generation Whatever" shit was made up by the boomer scum because they were just so proud of their "generation". While there is a certain validity to cohorts, the "Generation Whatever" shit is pure vanity posturing.

        1. SugarFree   14 years ago

          You're just mad that you're stuck in Generation Dickbag.

        2. Gen X Slacker   14 years ago

          Whatever, dude.

      2. D'oh   14 years ago

        Why they aren't "Z" is curious.

        I've often wondered that myself. The conclusion I came to is that since "Z" is pronounced "zed" in the rest of the English speaking world it would just confuse things more than they already are... or it would simply encourage the "Millennials" to think of themselves as having cool hi-tech/computer game personae.

        1. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

          but "Millennials" was coined by them because they didn't like it when Generation X dubbed them Generation Y.

      3. ?   14 years ago

        Why they aren't "Z" is curious

        Because "X" was never intended to be the first in a generational march to Z. Such a march would have been stupidly shortsighted (what comes after Z?). In its original iteration, "X" didn't mean "What comes before Y."

        1. Ted S.   14 years ago

          In Finnish and Swedish, ?, ?, and ? come after Z (in that order). The ? in Finnish is only used in names of Swedish origin, however.

    2. kinnath   14 years ago

      Fuck, you're younger than my children.

      1. albo   14 years ago

        It's like watching Jesse Eisenberg explain what Ghostbusters is to Abigail Breslin in Zombieland.

        1. kinnath   14 years ago

          I have Zombieland queued up on the DVR, but I haven't watched it yet.

        2. NoVAHockey   14 years ago

          I realized I was old at age 32 when I had to explain to my millennial sister-in-law that no, KITT is not all all like Herbie.

        3. Mensan   14 years ago

          I started feeling old when I started to hear the music from my high school years on the classic rock station.

          1. Red Rocks Rockin   14 years ago

            ^^^THIS^^^

      2. robc   14 years ago

        This is one of the few places on the internet where Im not "old guy".

        I feel rather youthful at times around here.

        1. Vermont Gun Owner   14 years ago

          Yeah, I expect to be the young one around here, although I don't expect people to be so surprised that there is someone born more recently than the 70s here.

        2. kinnath   14 years ago

          There one series of commercials where the "old guys" in the office are explaining to the newbies how hard life was before they got some integrated document system.

          One of the ads shows the really old guy "the one who speaks of floppies". I saw him and thought how fucking young he looked.

          The first 4-function electronic calculators where introduced by TI when I was in high school.

        3. The Bearded Hobbit   14 years ago

          I feel rather youthful at times around here.

          Hanging around for a while, I figure that JsubD is about my age, as is TWC. Warren (DOOM) is older but haven't seen him for a while.

          The rest of you kids can just get off my lawn!

          ... Hobbit

      3. Vermont Gun Owner   14 years ago

        What's really scary is that there will be people going to bars this year that were born in the 90s.

        1. D'oh   14 years ago

          My daughter turns 21 in about 12 hours! In Canada she could (legally) go to bars 3 yrs ago.

          1. Vermont Gun Owner   14 years ago

            What's her number?

  19. Steven Smith   14 years ago

    "Given that the Baby Boom is generally considered to have begun with the end of World War II in September 1945, and given that in 1965 only the states of Georgia, Kentucky, Alaska and Hawaii allowed voting by citizens under the age of 21, it's fair to conclude that the Baby Boomers had nothing to do with the end of Jim Crow."

    1. Jim Crow didn't end at, or because of, the ballot box; in fact, wherever one saw popular votes on the subject, such as with fair housing or school integration, it was usually to uphold Jim Crow.

    2. If you are going to illustrate the term "baby boomer" with Dylan and the Dylan-chick, it should be pointed out that neither was, under the technical sense you use the term, a baby boomer.

    1. Ice Nine   14 years ago

      You beat me to it. The joker who wrote that statement spawned a first-rate straw man. I don't recall ever hearing Boomers claiming they ended Jim Crow. Some of them - those who participated in the South in the civil rights movement actions there - tend to be fairly proud of the fact that they helped put an end to institutionalized racial discrimination but even they don't claim to have ended Jim Crow. What a bullshit notion. And, BTW, the civil rights movement didn't end with either the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

      1. zoltan   14 years ago

        I don't recall ever hearing Boomers claiming they ended Jim Crow.

        RTFA, you senile old fart.

        1. Ice Nine   14 years ago

          I already had, you obtuse impetuous pup.

          My statement stands.

    2. Episiarch   14 years ago

      STEVE SMITH VOTE AGAINST JIM CROW! STEVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY RAPIST!

      1. ?   14 years ago

        That's funny every time!

  20. Rob McMillin   14 years ago

    "Truth-Out" requires earth-shattering hubris to operate thus -- especially considering that website exists primarily for lefty spleen-venting of the sort that begins and ends with "Someone out there has money, take it!"

  21. Cruz   14 years ago

    I was born in 83 and I'll gladly give up everything I put in if you people will quit taking money from me. I want out of Medicare and SS. You can bug my employer for their contribution to keep your pitiful little system going. Enjoy those inflation eaten checks!

    PS

    Your generation is the worst generation ever, except for your parents.

  22. D?j? vu   14 years ago

    This thread is me all over again.

  23. Invisible Finger   14 years ago

    I'd like to hear more about how those well-organized Boomers fought hard and ended the gross injustice called the War On Drugs.

  24. R C Dean   14 years ago

    As good a place as any to trot out my proposed solution to the Medicare and Social Security problem:

    All federal transfer payments (Medicare, SocSec, Medicaid, unemployment comp, you name it) are funded solely out of the Transfer Tax.

    The Transfer Tax is set annually at a rate sufficient to fund that year's transfer payments. If the rate is set too low, the rate for the next year is set high enough to pay the shortfall.

    The Transfer Tax replaces current SocSec and Medicare payroll taxes. There is no "hidden" employer portion anymore for employers after they raise pay enough to cover the additional tax owed by their employees. That means the employee sees the entire amount of the Transfer Tax on their paystub, and puts them on equal footing with the self-employed (who would also pay the Transfer Tax).

    So: all these entitlements are fully funded, going forward. Budget problem solved.

    The cost of these entitlements is fully transparent to taxpayers. The stage is set for a real discussion about what we can afford for entitlements.

  25. Gregory Smith   14 years ago

    It is the people UNDER 30 we can't trust, they all voted for Obama.

    FUN FACTS ABOUT QADAFFI.
    http://libertarians4freedom.bl.....about.html

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