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Mitt Romney Wants Everyone to Know That He's Still Proud of Paving the Way for ObamaCare

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Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who presided over the passage of a health care overhaul nearly identical to the federal overhaul is still defending his state-based starter-version of ObamaCare. From Politico:

Mitt Romney rejected Mike Huckabee's call for him to admit that the "RomneyCare" health care program failed, instead saying he's "proud" of "getting everyone covered" when he was governor of Massachusetts.
"Mitt Romney is proud of what he accomplished for Massachusetts in getting everyone covered," Romney's spokesman, Eric Fehrnstrom, told the Boston Globe, in the first direct response Team Mitt made to Huckabee's criticism of the health plan in his new book.

According to The Boston Globe, Romney blames poor implementation by his Democratic successors for some of the law's failures. Apparently, it was all their fault that a law that set up a system of generous middle class insurance subsidies, enabled easy system gaming, and expanded Medicaid rolls ran dramatically over budget—and, according to the state officials, put patients and businesses across the state at risk of bankruptcy. 

Of course, Romney also wants everyone to know he thinks the federal overhaul that was modeled on the plan he signed into law is a really, really bad idea—despite the fact that the White House has been happy to highlight the similarities between the two plans. According to his spokesman, Romney believes that the federal law was a terrible mistake: "What's important now is to return to the states the power to determine their own healthcare solutions by repealing Obamacare. A one-size-fits-all plan for the entire nation just doesn't work." ObamaCare for me, but not for thee?

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202 responses to “Mitt Romney Wants Everyone to Know That He's Still Proud of Paving the Way for ObamaCare

  1. I never realized Mitt was so stuborn.

  2. Yo…you know the rest…

  3. Romney is toast. He’s still running like its 2008, and all he needs is the Repub insiders.

    Odds are, the Tea Parties will kill his candidacy. There’s nothing they hate more than ObamaCare, and Romney’s murky and self-contradictory position on health care will do him in.

    1. I agree. No chance, whatsoever. Just call him Mitt Obama during the primaries and laugh and laugh all the way to victory.

    2. I flerking hope not. Johnson and Paul have no chance and Palin or Huckabee will be orders of magnitude worse candidates than Romney.

  4. I agree; Romney sucks. He’s Bush squared, and the idea of him being president makes me want to throw up.

    Run Chris Christie run, and spare us from this smarmy character.

    1. You can stop chanting that. Christie isn’t running.

      1. Probably not, but I’m hoping that he’ll change his mind at the last minute, because the rest of the serious contending field sucks.

        1. Pretty much by definition, if you’re considered a “serious contender” for the Republican nomination, you suck. Those who don’t suck (Johnson, Paul, Flake) are considered non-serious.

      2. Christie isn’t running

        Oh, a fat joke! Cute! I’ll have you know Christie is on a weight loss program and he’ll be running circles around you in no time.

    2. But he’s sooo pretty. And such teeth! In rural areas that many teeth in one adult mouth can make a strong man beg for mercy.

      1. What rural areas have you been to? I grew up in a county that currently has 39 people per square mile and my elementary school has 73% of the kids qualifying for the free lunch program. Everybody still has fine dental health.

        1. North Florida has huge swaths with lots of ‘summer’ teeth. You know, summer there, some ain’t.

  5. It amazes me how tone def and arrogant he is. As RC points out, he apparently thinks it is still 2008. He is basically an idiot son of an auto exectutive. So I guess no one has ever told him no or held him accountable for anything. But his stubborn insistence that Romneycare was a good idea is pretty pathetic.

  6. I predict that nobody you have ever heard of will be acceptable to libertarians for The Highest Office in the Land?.

    1. Please define “ever heard of”.

      1. Fair enough. Tell me your personal choice for a libertarian candidate who can pass an impossibly rigid purity test and still be elected.

        1. impossibly rigid purity test

          Huh?

        2. I think Ron Paul would be considered acceptable by most of us.

          But if you’re talking about people who could actually win, then yes, it becomes a lot more difficult.

        3. Pass the libertarian test? Are yo fucking kidding me? I doubt if Romney can even pass the GOP purity test outside the North Eastern corridor.

          Rancid logic there, fella.

      2. Have you ever heard of Donna D’Errico?

    2. Zombie Murray Rothbard would be acceptable as an interim transitional President until the roads are disassembled.

      1. Ever notice there are no roads in the Star Wars movies? It is as if George Lucas was some kind of libertarian prophet.

        1. The real reason we don’t have flying cars: without ROADZ, what would we need the government for?

        2. Ever notice how nobody needs roads in the Star Wars movies?

    3. That’s BS.

      Going after someone like Flake or Chris Christie could be argued to be some sort of “purity test”, but Romney?

      I’m guessing that Romney would probably score as low as anyone he’s facing in the Republican primary on a libertarian issues type test you see come out during election season.

  7. Romney: My plan would have worked PERFECTLY, too….if it hadn’t been for those meddling Democrats….

    What. A. Schmuck.

  8. I don’t think it’s hypocritical that he thinks states should be able to implement their own healthcare plans, but the Federal government cannot. A state rights kind of guy? I’d rather not see him in the white house though. Not that there are many better candidates yet, either…

    1. Yes, he’s right on the states. Any state that wants to bankrupt itself with universal healthcare should be welcome to. I don’t understand why he’s so stubborn on insisting that MassCare was a good idea. Nobody would fault him if he just admitted that it was a mistake; in fact, it would probably increase his standing greatly with Republicans. Who knows, maybe he’s just being honest and really does believe it was a good idea.

      1. Nobody would fault him if he just admitted that it was a mistake

        New at politics?

        Rule #1 of politics: Never apologize for being right.

        Rule #2: You’re never wrong.

    2. If his argument was that Obamacare was unconstitutional, that would be a consistent position. But isn’t his argument more that Obamacare is a bad idea?

  9. Romney blames poor implementation by his Democratic successors for some of the law’s failures.

    “YOU’RE JUST NOT HITTING IT HARD ENOUGH!”

  10. What everyone said.

    “First of all, there’s no question that I support 2nd Amendment rights, but I also support an assault weapon ban shooting myself in the foot.”

  11. One of the joys of the two-party system is that two guys like Huckabee and Romney, who detest each other, have to be members of the same party.

    1. I don’t know why they detest each other. They’re practically the same, except one’s a Baptist and the other’s a Mormon.

  12. I predict that nobody you have ever heard of will be acceptable to libertarians for The Highest Office in the Land?.

    How insightful. Maybe that is because the track records of pretty much everybody “you” have heard of suck.

  13. Mitt Romney has a snowball’s chance in hell of becoming president. Won’t stop him from trying, of course.

    1. So, is it a safe bet yet that the GOP will come up with Romney/Palin 2012?

      1. In Romney’s wet dreams maybe.

        1. Come on, John. They’re not called “The Stupid Party” for nothing.

          1. No. I think the Tea Party has changed everything. The Republican establishment is done. Huckebee and Romney are the two establishment candidates (I don’t think Barbour or Guiliani even rate as candidates). They are both going to be crushed. The nomination will come down to Palin, if she runs, versus whichever governor decides to run.

            1. Point taken. I’ll bet on Palin/Romney 2012.

            2. Keep in mind that Huckabee won the Iowa caucus in 2008. Iowa republicans put being socially conservative above all else. I wouldn’t count Huckabee out.

              1. I wouldn’t count Huckabee out.

                Even if Palin runs?

                1. If it’s between Huckabee & Palin. Palin would probably win the Iowa Caucus.

                  1. Right, and then where does Huckabee go? He ain’t winning NH, and the governor of SC won her primary thanks to Palin.

              2. And that may still be true in 2012 but the rest of the country is still going to put MONEY first this time around.

              3. To clarify this point, conservative Christians “show up”, where as most registered republicans don’t. They control school boards, and fill lots of slots in local elected offices because most people have lives to lead. So local government and the caucuses get hijacked by what is actually a minority of the registered party base (and a very small minority of the total population).

                But yes, these people love Huckabee.

                1. The other thing is, national polls (in so much as they can be trusted) consistently show that a large plurality of Americans claim they would never vote for Palin in a general election. Her efforts to be partisan enough to remain the focus of media attention, have turned a lot of moderate centrists off of her. Obama crushes her in hypothetical matchups, even with as much as he’s sucked it up so far. I’d hope the primary voters keep that in mind before nominating her.

      2. “”But I guess having humility and a grasp on reality would disqualify you for a career in politics.””

        Pretty much, yeah.

    2. How insultaed and un self aware must he be to continue to think he can win? Any normal person with a grasp on reality and a shred of humility would look at the disaster that is Obamacare and realize that fairly or unfairly the guy who came up with the state trial run of it’s careeer is done.

      But I guess having humility and a grasp on reality would disqualify you for a career in politics.

  14. Funny how Romney the health care guru and Huckabee the no-smoking nanny do so well in the R polls.

    “”I don’t think it’s hypocritical that he thinks states should be able to implement their own healthcare plans, but the Federal government cannot.”‘

    I agree it’s not. But it’s easy to ride the anti-health care law wave. I think he’s more likely to modify the current law or offer a replacement if trying to repeal.

    1. They do well in the “R” polls right now when the only peoeple paying attention are political types. Once we start actually having elections, the Tea Party will destroy both of them. Huckubee is just a pro life liberal.

      1. Will you please tell this to all the conservatives I know. Please. I say it and they all go “Really? I like him.” I’m just exhausted.

        1. I don’t think people realize what a big government POS he is. They don’t know his record in Arkansas and just see him as this home spun good old boy. Once the campaign starts and people actually start talking about his record that will change.

          1. Can’t everyone who was in the 2008 primaries be excluded? They all lost to McCain. Seriously, none of them can win. Move on, people.

            1. McCain lost in the 2000 primaries. To Bush, even.

  15. “”Huckubee is just a pro life liberal.””

    Liberal? Why is he so popular at Fox News?

    1. If we had a parliamentary system as in Europe, he would be a Christian Democrat.

    2. Because Fox News isn’t nearly as conservative as shit throwing liberals think it is. It is more tabloid “we will exploit anything that makes money” than anything else.

      Huckebee is a total bible thumping lets go help everyone liberal. He manages to combine the worst instincts of both parties.

      1. I’ve observed this as well. Fox isn’t always quite as conservative as people think.

      2. “”Because Fox News isn’t nearly as conservative as shit throwing liberals think it is””

        According to most on Fox News and watch Fox News, there is the liberal MSM and then there’s Fox News, the anti-liberal media. Many on Fox News and almost all who what it promote the brand as anti-liberal.

        1. It’s definitely the brand. What’s interesting to me is that what they consider “conservative” at times isn’t really conservative.

          1. “”What’s interesting to me is that what they consider “conservative” at times isn’t really conservative.””

            True. But it’s not liberals that think Fox news is conservative, Fox News promotes that idea that it is.

            1. Huckabee also thinks he’s conservative when he’s not really. Seems like a good marriage.

        2. Fox has done a brilliant job of marketing and branding. Everytime some dumb ass liberal screams “Faux News” Rupert Murdoch lights another Habano with a hundred dollar bill and laughs.

          But the actual content of Fox News doesn’t quite live up to the brand.

          1. I read that Fox was considering giving Bill Clinton his own talk show, if they could figure out how to make it work. If you were trying to maintain ideological rigidity, you wouldn’t do it, but if you were concerned about making money…

          2. “”But the actual content of Fox News doesn’t quite live up to the brand.””

            Enough to have the top 6 of 10 news shows pretty consistantly. Fox News represents popular conservatism in the media market.

            I would argue no conservative president lived up to the brand either.

            1. I don’t see how anyone could ever call Bill O’Reilly a conservative. He is just a populist jackass more than anything. Beck is certainly conservative. But he also believes in a lot of un conservative more libertarian things as well. Beck is kind of a odd hybrid like that.

              1. forget populist, O’Reilly is just a jack ass

            2. I’m not suggesting they aren’t conservative most of the time.

      3. “Huckebee is a total bible thumping lets go help everyone liberal. He manages to combine the worst instincts of both parties.”

        Yes, he IS a fascist.

    3. You are one of those people who think only conservatives watch Fox, arn’t you?

      1. No. That would fall under the same fallacy that only liberals watch CNN.

  16. Not that anybody gives a shit, but I suspect Brian Schweitzer, a registered Democrat, would make a better President than any of the current Republican “frontrunners”.

    1. I also suspect that any person picked at random from the phone book who meets the Constitutional qualifications would make a better President than any of the R frontrunners.

    2. Interesting observation. Anybody who signed the Montana Firearms Freedom Act into law is rather a DINO.

  17. The nomination will come down to Palin, if she runs

    *prepares for four more years of Obama*

    1. I will take that bet. First, I am not convinced Obama will ever run for re-election. And second, if he does, Palin or anyone else would beat him in the general election. Elections are always about the incumbant not the challanger. And no President with this economy and Obama’s numbers is winning re-election.

      Saying how dumb Palin is is a wonderful way for stupid people to feel smart. But it is just not reality.

      1. I’ll take “reasons why John is completely delusional” for $800, Alex.

        1. That right. No one you know likes Palin, so she must be unpopular right?

          I will take reasons why Watson is stupid for a $1000 Alex.

          1. As I have near-instantaneous access to all the information on the Internet, I was able to find a link that might disabuse you of your librarian-fetish-based delusions.

            Palin loses to Obama by double digits. She’s behind Romney and Huckabee for the GOP nomination.

            But what do I know, I’m just a supercomputer.

            1. She is behing Huckabee by two points. Hardly an insurmountable lead a year out from the primaries.

              And no poll almost two years out from the general election means anything.

              I will take Watson being retarded for the Daily Double Alex.

              1. Sorry, but I think Palin’s attempts to stay in the media at all costs have, well, cost her. Being in Texas, I know mostly conservative people, and any but the most hard-core of them still say they wouldn’t vote for her, because she’s more of a tabloid queen than a pol.

                Now, they said the same thing about Reagan being an actor. But you say that Obama couldn’t win anything, and yet even now, in the depths of his lunacy, he is beating her. That means things would have to get A LOT worse by the time the election rolls around for him to give up that big a turnaround to her.

    2. I’m with John. While I don’t think Palin will win the nomination–heck, I’m a little doubtful that she’ll even run–I think a sentient bicycle could beat Obama.

      1. I want a sentient bicycle, thank you very much.

      2. a sentient bicycle could beat Obama

        Well, duh.

        1. Ah, ha!

      3. The worst thing that could happen to the GOP would be for Obama to announce this November that he’s not running for reelection. The GOP is currently totally unprepared for advocating anything other than “Not Obama”.

        Hillary Clinton, or certainly a Dem governor who “gets” the fiscal crisis (eg Andrew Cuomo) could probably slaughter any of the current leading GOP candidates. And frankly, I’m not sure I’d vote for either Palin or Huckabee over Cuomo at this point.

        1. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the Republican nominee for president. No, that’s not a typo.

          1. That is a bold prediction Pro. How about Hillary / Palin in 2012. Can you imagine the feminists’ heads exploding over that? That would be worth it just to see the reaction over at XX at SLATE.

            1. It’s so insidiously perfect that it must happen.

            2. So you’re saying that partisian hate is a wave form that can be cancelled by applying the opposite frequency at the same time… intersting.

            3. “”How about Hillary / Palin in 2012″”

              Bill Clinton gives it three thumbs up.

  18. I was actually saying THIS agreeing with 4 more years of Obama get ready if Palin is the nom.

  19. Anybody who signed the Montana Firearms Freedom Act into law is rather a DINO.

    It was definitely amusing to hear, a few years ago, people talking about Schweitzer as a rising star in Democratic national politics.

    Somebody asked him, in an interview, how many guns he owns; he said, “More than I need, but not as many as I want.” That might send a tingle down Chris Matthews’ leg, but not in a “good” way.

    To be honest, I don’t know enough about what he has been doing to make a truly informed judgement, but a lot of people on either end of the political spectrum don’t like him, so he can’t be ALL bad.

    1. “More than I need, but not as many as I want.”

      That is awesome. I’m always reassured when I see a democrat who’s still a normal American man. There’s so damn few of them left in this country.

  20. Saying how dumb Palin is is a wonderful way for stupid people to feel smart.

    Waah, waah, waah. I don’t necessarily think she’s dumb. I also don’t think she’d make a good competent President. And I STILL think bailing on her term of office as governor will make her unelectable.

    1. The only people who seem to be upset about that are people who hated her in the first place. It hasn’t seemed to have affected her popularity one way or another.

      I look at Palin in much the same way I used to look at Hillary Clinton. I never bought into the idea that Hillary could never be President. Yeah, a lot of people hated and hate her. But a whole lot of other people loved Hillary Clinton in the 1990s and 00s. And the people who hated her always under estimated just how popular she was among some people and how deep that popularity was. The same is true with Palin.

      Now Hillary didn’t ever become President. But absent the incredible historical accident (or tragedy) known as Obamamania, she would have been in 2008. Maybe Palin will never run or be derailed by the same sort of accident. Time will tell. But it is foolish to discount her.

      1. “”But it is foolish to discount her.'”

        That’s a little too strong of a statment. It’s not foolish to discount anyone who quits public office then wants to be Commander-in-Chief. I think the Rs shunning her as a quitter is very possible. I doubt she could win the primary.

        1. I find the quitter mame to be absolutely fucking hysterical, especially when put forth by alledged libertarians. If only we had politicians in this country who were willing to walk away from office more often rather than clinging to office at all costs long after their usful life (see McCain) or actual life (see Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd) has ended.

          To say that it is wrong for her to walk away from being governor after in her judgement being governor was no longer in her best interest is to buy into the idea that government service is some kind of a sacred duty and profession. It is not. It is a job like any other. And people should be free to quit it any time. In fact, they should be encouraged to quit it.

          1. very true, this…

          2. “”I find the quitter mame to be absolutely fucking hysterical, “”

            Why? She did in fact quit. Sure, she had her reasons, ever quitter does.

          3. While everything you say may be true, it is clear you have thought it through. How many voters do you know think anything through? They hear soundbites and react like morons. I don’t know why that will be different here. Yes, she has a lot of people that like her. Is it enough to win the primary, perhaps. Is it enough to win a general election when 1/3 of voters will be independents who may actually think about the likelihood she quits as president when tough times come, because that’s what her opponents will say about her during the campaign, that she quit because it got hard. It doesn’t even have to be true.

      2. I think you’re greatly overestimating Palin’s popularity. Sure, her leaving office early hasn’t really affected her ratings now, but that’s because she hasn’t run for anything else. If she runs for president that’s definitely going to be an issue for her.

        She’s popular now because she’s just a fundraiser/speechmaker. People are going to look at her differently if she runs and I just don’t see how she’s going to retain that popularity when she’s running for a position that has actual responsibilities to it.

        1. Palin is not popular! Her approval ratings are around 37 to 55 against. And that’s without having to make any tough or controversial decisions involved in governing, since she shed herself of that responsibility.

          1. Tony,

            Being the lone voice in the dark is tough, I know, but your work is paying off. You’ve clearly been recognized by the Reason commentariat as a thoughtful and reasonable contributor, and one whose ideas considerably enhance the daily conversation. We both know that your posts have converted hundreds, if not dozens, of ignorant ideologically-bound yokels into reasonable pragmatists like ourselves.

            On behalf of America, I’d like to thank you for your sacrifice and service on this blog.

      3. I would like to see Obama lose. But if it is Palin, he’ll win. I have met many “independents” who make or break the elections, who simply have bought the MSM line on Plain, hook line and sinker. I too don’t think she’s stupid, and I don’t believe she would make a worse president than the current idiot, but I don’t thin it is what the country needs.

        The country needs a guy like Christy who will focus on the seemingly intractable problems of the debt and entitlements. If he doesn’t run, I’m sorry, but the Republican field just looks as weak as it’s ever been. Maybe someoen will come from outside of the pack. Who’s out there? NM’s Johnson?

        1. It is not a liberal media conspiracy that Palin is an imbecile.

          1. On the Goddard scale, imbecile denotes someone with an IQ of between 26-50. I don’t think she is capable to be president. But then, the current occupant of the office isn’t either. Don’t know who is, but I’m voting for whoever wants to fuck with me the least. And I’m not talking about my wife. Though she definitely leads in that category.

        2. There seems to be a mosquito buzzing around here….

      4. Incorrect. Her standing in Alaska fell after she left office, meaning that people who did supported her (or at least polled as supporting her) previously no longer did so.

        http://publicpolicypolling.blo…..falls.html

        1. But it hasn’t changed nationally and that is what counts. She would win Alaska in a Presidential race no matter what.

          What is it about Palin that causes people to become stupid?

  21. Romney would’ve won if he’d run this ad… or at the very least gotten a vote from Warty.

    1. I suppose Hillary be dusting off this ad.

  22. “According to The Boston Globe, Romney blames poor implementation by his Democratic successors for some of the law’s failures.”

    If only the RIGHT people held knives to people’s throats.

    1. Isn’t there some kind of Iron Law about this?

      1. Actually, it is a “steel law”:

        “The guy who has the sharp piece of steel at your throat makes the rules.”

  23. And second, if he does, Palin or anyone else would beat him in the general election.

    Hm.

    I think anyone who runs against him will lose, but Palin would lose by the least. So I’d hope she’d save her run (if any) for later, because if she did win, she’d probably be the least awful president since…Coolidge?

    2012 is a suicide mission, so Romney and Huckabee are the best candidates. They both need to be hooked off the stage, and losing under such opposition-favorable economic/etc. conditions would do it.

    1. How is 2012 a suicide mission? Obma’s aproval ratings are consistently in the low 40s and his relectin numbers are nohwere near 50 percent. Those are catastrophic numbers for an incumbant. And there really isn’t much hope of them going up. The only way I can see it improving is if he can somehow get guilty white people to vote for the black guy again. And I don’t see that happening.

      1. And actually those AREN’T catastrophic numbers for an incumbant. Reagan had a 43% approval rating for the Jan. 1982 – Jan. 1983 period, very roughly the same place we’re at now in the election cycle.

        I really think you think that everyone hates Obama as much as we do. The TP gets a lot of media attention, but the fact that he’s messed up this much and still polls as strongly as Reagan did, means he has a better chance at reelection that you want to give him.

        1. Yeah, but the economy really came back strong in 83/84.

          I don’t think Obama is going to be that lucky.

        2. We are now to the equivelent of March 83. And people forget that inflation went down to nothing during the first two years of Reagan. People noticed that. And the economy came back big in 83. That is not likely to happen here.

          Obama is not Reagan and 1984 is not 2012

    2. All it takes is for Dennis Kucinich or some other hard-left splitter to take away about 6% of the hard-left base and minorities and college kids to turn out at 2004 levels for $GENERIC_REPUBLICAN to beat Obama. Unless unemployment drops below 8%, and I mean actual unemployment — not the doctored statistics. If the housing mess has cleared up (stable prices, a decent number of sales) and employment is rebounding, Obama gets re-elected against anyone. If not, Obama’s re-election chances are about 20%.

  24. It’s all in flux now, but as long as we’re spit-ballin’ about 2012, after last week, think about a Daniels/Christy ticket. After his CPAC speech, I imagined Daniels debating Obama, and I think the great orator would get his ass handed to him. And Christy would crush Biden in debate. I don’t know if it’s a realistic bet, but I think Obama can absolutely be beaten by the right nominees.

  25. I think a sentient bicycle could beat Obama.

    I don’t think the Republican National Committee is willing or able to nominate a sentient bicycle.

    Maybe the green Party…. I can dream, can’t I?

    1. Bicycles are traditional, non-controversial, and tend to vote GOP. That said, they do have to overcome the mistaken impression that some have that they are generally bisexual.

      1. No, the Republicans would not nominate a sentient bicycle.

        The Republicans don’t approve of sentience.

        1. And the Democrats do? Go ahead, you can just say that Americans don’t approve of sentience.

          1. Not true. I just don’t approve of the death sentience.

          2. And the Democrats do?

            The Democrats approved of GRAND PLANS, sentimentality and the exaltation of the lumpenproletariat.

            As for Americans in general, I will only point out that any nation that created pizza, air conditioning and bourbon has demonstrated a high degree of sentience.

            1. We just can’t stomp it out entirely.

  26. Obama’s chances in 2012 hinge almost entirely on how the economy looks in the summer of 2012.

    If we double-dip, he would lose to the reanimated corpse of Richard Nixon.

    If the Fed can somehow engineer a temporary bubble recovery (and I don’t see how, since they’ve thrown the kitchen sink at it already), he would beat the bastard offspringe of Mahatma Gandhi and George Washington.

    1. I don’t think so, unless we have an actual (or fictional) boom. A mere tepid recovery–which looks like the best-case scenario right now, won’t cut it.

    2. I’d vote for a re-animated corpse…any…re-animated corpse.

      It’s “bucket list” thing.

    3. Even if the economy turns around, the unemployment rate won’t. Go back and look at Bush I. The economy started booming in the summer of 1991. But the unemployment rate was still high. So it didn’t do him any good in the election.

  27. The Republicans, more likely than not, will give us the equivalent of a Brain Slug Party ticket:

    Bloomberg/Huckabee 2012

    1. The gun lobby alone would ensure Bloomburg wouldn’t get the nomination.

      Now I could see Bloomburg Huckabee running as a third party.

      1. No way Huckabee would accept second billing to Bloomberg.

    2. I think a libertarianesque dark horse isn’t out of the question. Not this time, anyway.

      1. I sort of agree. I think a Rand Paul type could potentially be the most serious independent or third party candidate we’ve seen in modern times.

        Unfortunately, the end result would just be a spoiler who would hand Obama easy re-election, but the results sure would be damn interesting to see.

        1. I do think there is a qualitative difference in what voters want now and are likely to want in 2012. Whether that will mean a shift to the Light Side is anyone’s guess.

    3. I could see the Huckabeast getting the nomination and picking Bloomberg or Romney as his running mate.

      But Romney looks prettier and will probably get the nod.

      1. I just don’t think business as usual will cut it for the GOP primaries.

        1. I suspect that’s why we’ve been hearing all this noise about Daniels…probably some big money donors are worried that Romney can’t win the nomination, and Palin can’t beat Obama.

  28. …it was all their fault that a law that set up a system of generous middle class insurance subsidies, enabled easy system gaming, and expanded Medicaid rolls ran dramatically over budget.

    I have budgeted $500 for my round-the-world tour of five-star luxury hotels. If it goes over budget, it is obviously someone else’s fault and I should be given additional money to complete the project.

  29. It is a job like any other. And people should be free to quit it any time. In fact, they should be encouraged to quit it.

    WTF?

    That’s fine, but once this hypothetical politician has decided politicianing isn’t the right job for her, why would anybody hire her again?

    1. She had good reasons to quit being governor, namely that they didn’t provide her with any personal security or any legal defense. Her choice was go broke being governor or quit and make millions.

      If I quit my job as an attorney tommorow because of circumstances in my life, would that mean I could never be an attorny again? OF course not. And to say being governor is any different is to say that there is something special about holding political office. And no libertarian, if they are thinking straight, would ever say that. They only say it now becuase something about Palin causes libertarians to stop thinking straight.

      1. You are just pulling this ridiculous defense out of your ass. I’m sure you never, ever had a harsh word for Obama for shirking his responsibilities as a senator to run for potus, or anything like that.

      2. There seems to be a mosquito buzzing around here…

  30. The gun lobby alone would ensure Bloomburg wouldn’t get the nomination.

    You don’t think the dreaded Mainstream Media Juggernaut would go full steam ahead to promote Candidate Bloomberg?

    Fuck, as soon as he declared his candidacy, the SITTING PRESIDENT would be lucky to get airtime without blowing a bunch of shit up.

    1. I am sure they would. But the MSM doesn’t count for shit in the Republican primaries. He would have zero chance. He would have to run as an independent, which would likely fuck Obama worse than the Rs.

      1. Favorable MSM treatment of any GOP candidate will be a kiss of death in the 2012 GOP Primary.

    2. Why would Rupert Murdoch help his competitor like that?

    3. Bloomberg couldn’t pull even Giuliani vote #s in a GOP Primary.

    4. Why does anyone like Bloomberg, media or New Yorker or otherwise? He’s like the worst of all worlds? Is this like how all the drugs Keith Richards has taken have kept him alive because they fight each other off? I just don’t get it.

  31. Two reasons that I will NEVER vote for Romney for anything.

    1) RomneyCare: He signed it.

    2) He’s just as bad as Clinton was at seeing which way the wind is blowing before making up his mind what is “right”.

    Can’t believe I voted for this turkey for governor!

  32. Unfortunately, many Americans vote only on the basis of their most recent paycheck.

    Recessions don’t last forever. Even when you deploy the worst possible toolkit of government boondoggles against them, eventually recessions end.

    If the economy is growing in November 2012 the pinhead can actually pull it out. Again, unfortunately.

    The GOP will nominate a yellow dog and give him a chance.

    1. See my 12:20 comment above. It is getting too late for that. Even if the fed turns out the presses and creates some bubble associated growth, it will be too late and too small to significantly affect the unemployment rate. That is what people vote on as much as anything. Also, we are experiencing another shock in the price of oil. That in itself will keep the recovery, no matter how hard the fed huffs and puffs, from amounting to much.

    2. An uptick in the economy won’t mean shit with long-term unemployment, housing and inflation trends.
      Things won’t get better quickly enough.

  33. I think a libertarianesque dark horse isn’t out of the question.

    This could be the best opportunity in a hundred years for a third-party candidate. I think the Republicans will nominate some totally horrific and unelectable cretin (again).

  34. According to The Boston Globe, Romney blames poor implementation by his Democratic successors for some of the law’s failures.

    Earth to Romney: You can’t implement an economic plan that can’t calculate and expect it to work. The Dems are guilty of being as ignorant and gullible as you, but not necessarily guilty of being incompetent.

    Mitt Romney rejected Mike Huckabee’s call for him to admit that the “RomneyCare” health care program failed, instead saying he’s “proud” of “getting everyone covered” when he was governor of Massachusetts.

    “We will never surrender! Never!”

  35. I’m undoubtedly going to fuck it all up by saying this, but I’d like to commend everyone for ignoring a certain party.

  36. It doesn’t matter who the repubs run in 2012, Obama will win. What is important is for the repubs to hold the house (should be easy) and take the senate (possible and more likely probable). The last thing we need is the repubs to have house, senate and president. Can you say military industrial complex? Drug war? Gay marriage bans? Neo new child left behind? Revisit roe v wade?

    1. But also lower taxes for billionaires. That trumps all that stuff.

    2. Re: Ola,

      [After a win by the Repubs in the House, Senate and Presidency,][c]an you say military industrial complex? Drug war? Gay marriage bans? Neo new child left behind? Revisit roe v wade?

      You mean unlike now?

      [Except, maybe, for the gay marriage thingy…]

  37. If there is a dark horse candidate why not Scott Walker? He is on the right side of history in Wisconsin and up until last week, no one had ever heard of him. That is a good thing. I think people are going to want a new face in 2012. None of the 08 retreds, Palin included, could beat a really strong new comer with no association with the past or Washington.

    1. Do you know anything about Walker besides this one issue?

      1. No. But what did people know about Obama or Clinton?

      2. We know all we need to know.

  38. What Mitt “Mandate” Romney doesn’t understand is that the Tea Party believes in freedom and Masscare isn’t it. Saying each state can decide whether or not they can take your freedom away isn’t going to cut it.

  39. Just curious- is there any substantive difference between Huckabee and Bloomberg?

    1. Not really. Just a mile of cultural difference. To be honest Northeastern lefties and buttinsky Southern bible thumpers ought to get along a whole lot better than they do. There isn’t much difference between the two beyond culural snobery on both of their parts.

    2. Bloomberg’s a baby-killer and a gungrabber. His nannyism makes Huck look like a libertarian by comparison.

      1. Huck, on the other hand, only pressures parole boards to release born-again Christian rapists so they can continue to rape and murder with an assurance of salvation.

        1. As much as I hate Huckebee, Libertarians need to give him a pass on that. One of the biggest problems with our justice system is governors’ complete reluctance to use their clemency power. Crucifying them every time they use it and the guy commits another crime once released, just ensures none of them will ever grant clemency.

          1. I don’t want Republicans to give him a pass on that.

          2. I would be A-OK if no governor ever granted clemency to a violent criminal whose guilt was not in doubt. At least not before their sentence is complete.

            Clemency for nonviolent criminals convicted under stupid laws, that I would support.

        2. Yeah, I find that pretty disgusting. If Huckabee ever becomes president, every federal prisoner in America will start speaking in tongues.

          1. you mean like this?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

            1. Damn, Charo has really let herself go.

  40. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who presided over the passage of a health care overhaul nearly identical to the federal overhaul

    …except for the fact that it only affected one state, was constitutional, and was popular among that state’s residents. Not exactly minor differences.

    And seriously, who among the nominatable possibilities (ie, not Paul or Johnson) do you guys want to see get the GOP nom? Romney may be 31 flavors of schmuck, but it’s not like the other likely candidates are going to remind anyone of a libertarian beauty pageant.

    1. Can you imagine the expansion of government with Romney as president and a GOP House and Senate? Holy crap.

  41. Personally, I’m writing in Episiarch/Warty in 2012.

    With an understanding that J sub D will be the Unnecessary Department Dismantling Czar.

    My vote never counts anyway, so what have I got to lose?

    Besides, Warty is much more entertaining is than Biden.

    No too mention, seriously, if Palin runs the Dem base will come out in DROVES. I would sooner she stay exactly as she is, a political firebrand. Not an actual “threat” to get the Progressives foaming at the mouth.

    1. I think the Dem base will be foaming at the mouth no matter who the Republicans run in 2012. Foaming at the mouth, throwing shit, and screaming “Fascism” and such is their move. It is pretty much all they have got at this point.

      1. “”and screaming “Fascism” and such is their move.””

        They would be ripping off the current GOP, ripping of the Dems attacking the Bush admin.

    2. Good point. Romney is not exactly an easy target for leftist GOTV demagoguery (not that they won’t try anyway) which, in the absence of a strong recovery is the Dem candidate’s only hope.

      Note that I say “Dem candidate”, not “Obama”. I’d put 50-50 odds on Obama not running in 2012. At this point he looks and sounds like he wants out.

      1. I agree with your odds. Obama, it seems to me, puts out a vibe that says this whole POTUS thing is interfering with his vacationing and basketball game schedule.

        He’s been there, done that; ready to retire with his pension.

        1. I would be surprised if Obama went out voluntarily in 2012 — if you’re power-hungry enough to want to get elected, you are likely going to continue being power-hungry

          1. Well, normally I’d agree w/the power-hungry = politician = Obama, except that Obama just doesn’t seem that into the job to me. I felt the same way about Bush I; that he really didn’t want to be reelected and just sort of phoned in the campaign.
            Obama seems bored and overwhelmed at the same time. I don’t think this job meant what he thought it would mean. But I concede that he probably won’t pull a Sherman as it would damage his “cool” savior image.
            Since I don’t know (or want to know) Obama personally, I could be completely off-base as well.

  42. Strikeout “is” between “entertaining” and “than.” Damned threaded comments!

  43. if Palin runs the Dem base will come out in DROVES.

    An excellent point.

    And the “youth vote” which was so important last time around is currently so demoralized and disgusted that their Hipster-in-Chief did not pull the utopian rabbit out of his hat that they will probably stay away in droves, unless some especially terrifying hobgoblin mobilizes them.

    1. “terrifying hobgoblin mobilizes them”

      crippling student loan debt and zero prospects?

      1. No that’s reality, which they avoid like processed food.

  44. Isn’t one of the issues the primary process ? If Romney has money and an organization, he could secure the nomination despite the fact that he cannot win the general (says I). I’d argue that there was value in the smoked filled rooms of the past. Romney needs to be taken aside and told, sorry Mitt, I know you want it, but you’re gonna stand down. We’ve got to win in 2012, and you can’t do it.

  45. If Romney has money and an organization, he could secure the nomination despite the fact that he cannot win the general (says I).

    Sure, but one of the interesting things about the upcoming primaries is that the first Iowa, with its caucuses, and NH, with its small size, are particularly susceptible to grassroots Tea Party action.

    Mitt could run into a buzzsaw right off the bat, in venues that are not favorable.

    Here’s hoping.

  46. Why don’t we call it Balieycare? Ron, care to highlight the differences?

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