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Bob Barr the Professor.

Bob Barr, former congressman and Libertarian Party presidential candidate, is critical of the Obama Department of Education's effort to impose a "gainful employment" measure (which would assess how well graduates are doing in the job market) on for-profit colleges that get federal assistance. Noting that Barr teaches constitutional law at the for-profit John Marshall School of Law in Atlanta, CampusProgress.org editor Kay Steiger says he's letting the professional affiliation get in the way of libertarian principle:

At its base, the "gainful employment" regulations issue is about curbing wasteful spending – the regulations promise to cut federal funding from programs that leave students with high default rates or too much debt compared with their earnings. While Campus Progress has been focused on eliminating spending for bad programs to ensure more aid to successful programs, curbing government subsidies more generally is something libertarians normally get behind. In fact, in 2005 the libertarian think tank Cato Institute released a study in which they argue, "Rather than expand the current system, Congress should consider a phase-out of federal assistance to higher education over a 12-year time frame."

Barr seems to have abandoned his libertarian ideas in this case, where the interests of his employer are at stake.

Although opposing federal pork for colleges is certainly a libertarian position, the issue here is not ending that spending (an option that is not on the table and probably won't be in this life). Rather, Barr and other advocates for for-profit schools – an ideological potluck that includes Rev. Al Sharpton and former New Orleans mayor Marc Morial – are questioning whether for-profits should be subjected to a level of scrutiny that other schools are spared. "Curbing wasteful spending" is a laudable goal, but the bulk of federal pork gets sucked up by public schools and private non-profits. The question – beyond whether graduates' job performance is a fair measure of a school's subsidy-worthiness – is why the gainful employment standard is not being applied across the board. I have made the case that applying the standard only to for-profits is somewhat justifiable, but the question is legitimate. (See this comment from R C Dean for an opposing view.)

Barr's interest in defending for-profit schools has gotten some controversy lately. But he can object to prejudicial treatment by the Department of Ed without betraying libertarian principle – so long as he acknowledges that the Department of Ed itself should be abolished.

Reason's 2008 interview with candidate Barr.

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  1. Wow does Kay Steiger not get libertarianism. Next she’ll tell us that mandatory drug testing for federal employees is consistent with libertarianism because they won’t have to pay employees who are fired, thereby leading us down the road to fiscal sustainability.

    1. I know. To further support your point, she actually considers Barr a libertarian. I guess it’s time to start using the label “classical libertarian”.

    2. Of course mandatory drug testing for federal employees is consistent with libertarianism, as are speech restrictions. The relationship between government and its employee is not a coercive one. If an applicant doesn’t want to submit to drug testing he or she is free to find another job — you know, just like in the private sector.

      I can’t believe that libertarians are supportive of extra rights for government employees that their private sector counterparts do not enjoy.

      1. i’m all for drug testing but, aren’t we missing something…
        oh yeah, people on the dole…

  2. I’m all for means-testing federal handouts, so long as it is done across the board. Non-profit schools should be subject to the same funding strings as for-profits.

    Ideally, federal money will be made such a pain in the ass to get that neither kind of institution will want to bother.

    1. I’d like to see the “gainful employment” measurement for film schools of public colleges.

  3. Let’s say there’s a for profit school based in Phoenix, Arizona that has roughly $3 billion in annual revenues. Would you say that any attempt to making getting funds a PITA might favor an organization that already has heavier documentation of processes due to its scale of operations?

  4. WRONG! Libertarians must recuse themselves from any policy advocacy other than the absolute abolition of federal funding. Also, stop using roads, you hypocrites.

    1. But I must go through the TSA to get on my flight to Mogadishu!

      1. Not if you charter a private plane! You’re the worst libertarian ever.

        1. I know. I only know 3 sets of monocles. One time I even got a letter in the mail.

          1. How can a monocle have a set? Damnit, how much do I have to pay to move up enough levels to get my monocles in sets?

            1. Each set contains one monocle. That’s one of the “insider tips” you pick up when you’re part of the Kochs’ inner circle.

            2. they also come with their own silk tophat.

            3. Thankfully I have now been proven to be only the second worst libertarian ever.

              1. Spats here! Gitcher spats here! ONE dolla!

  5. the for-profit John Marshall School of Law in Atlanta

    Former-libertarian radio personality Neil Boortz is an alumni. I know people who attended John Marshall. I have no idead how their grads compare to other schools(I suspect quite well, it isn’t a remedial community college or a store-front beauty school) I can’t think of any reason non-profit schools shouldn’t receive exactly the same scrutiny.

    1. Oh, and CHINA !

    2. I have no idead how their grads compare to other schools(I suspect quite well, it isn’t a remedial community college or a store-front beauty school)

      The Atlanta version of John Marshall wasn’t even accredited until 2009. It’s the functional equivalent of a storefront beuaty school; graduates of unaccredited law schools can’t be admitted to practice law in over half the states in the country.

      1. I’m so glad we have State Law Board monopolies to protect us from this.

        1. In a country where interior decorators and hair-weavers have to have licenses – er, permission slips – …

    3. Sorry, but it’s pet peeve time. Boortz is not an alumni, he’s an alumnus, despite all those college bumper stickers that say “______ alumni” on them.

      1. Hey wait just a minute…

  6. Barr and a picture of a horse’s ass. Accident or deliberate?

    1. RACIIIIIIIIIST!!!!1!

  7. While, in my never humble (and sometimes under-informed) opinion, Bob Barr is a carpet-bagging L. I. N. O. who wouldn’t know a libertarian principle if Ron Paul slapped him with it, in this case, like a broken clock, he is correct.

    If we cannot completely cut off funding, but desire some limit to the stolen [taxed] funds doled out by government programs, then all participants should be subject to the exact same scrutiny. If you expect to receive charity, you have to meet the donor’s qualification criteria.

  8. Bob Barr is a fucking embarrassment to the LP. Same goes for Root “hugger”.

    The LP needs to issue a formal apology for nominating Bob Barr in 2008. The other night, I saw him on Cavuto defending Mubarak, aid to Egypt, and all of US interventionist policies in the Middle East in the past 30 years.

    1. If we’re going to apply that standard, the LP needs to apologize for pretty much every candidate they’ve ever run.

      Barr’s main opponent for the nomination opined that kiddie porn should be legal, while the guy in 2004 was a Truther who thought prisoners should be strapped into their beds 24/7.

      1. If we’re going to apply that standard, the LP needs to apologize for pretty much every candidate they’ve ever run.

        Far be it from me to defend the LP, but Harry Browne was an exceptional candidate and not that long ago, either.

      2. Tulpa, Barr’s main opponent in 2008 was Ron Kubby, a medical marijuana patient, not Mary Ruwart.

        Harry Browne and Andre Marrou might not have been shining lights, but they were hardly the embarrassment that Barr was. Badnarik at least had the grace to disappear quickly. Barr is the stinking shit you can’t wipe off your shoe.

        And with your great love of authority, Tulpa, why don’t you start working with DONEROOOO!!! for the Giuliani ’12 campaign and leave us the fuck alone?

  9. Oh, yeah. The liberated Egyptians are demanding privatization of all schools. Barr will be left behind.

  10. R C Dean was right. Quit being pigheaded, Cavanaugh. Admit defeat.

  11. I hardly need to repeat myself.

    [smirks, twirls mustache, spins cane, jauntily saunters away]

  12. The full-on libertarian and constitutionalist argument is that ANY federal subsidy for any schooling is both a terrible, wasteful idea that distorts the economy, and blatantly not an enumerated power allowed the feds.

  13. ISRAEL A POOR INVESTMENT!

    A WAKE-UP CALL- To a poor investment Israel!

    [The World Trembles]

    Now, the Middle East just like the Far-East has awoken, an one person in history that had experience with both areas more with Egypt than with China was Napoleon, a very shrewd tactician who said this of China ? [the dragon sleeps now, let it sleep, for the world will tremble when it wakes], well not only has China awakened from its slumber but the Middle East has awoken from its nightmare of Western Domination, only two of a growing array of Geographic areas which have roused to a new day, a new era, each combining with regional area players to form [21st] Century Spheres of Influence, the mortar and [BRICS] Brazil, The Russian Federation, India, The Peoples Democratic Republic of China, and The Union of South Africa, of a New World Order, which are soon to be joined with the [PDIR] Peoples Democratic Islamic Republics which are at present in their birthing process, going thru the labours and pains to free themselves from the grasps of the American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex hold.

    [Round Robin $USD’s]

    But what has been the cost to the American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex to maintain its strangle hold just upon just [3] states within the Middle East and the Tip of The Spear alone, well the answer is found in following the money, a trail that starts in Washington, D.C. [District of Clowns] where [$Billions$] of [$USD’s$] United States Dollars are annually appropriated to ensure the continued existence of the tip of its spear into the Islamic Crescent, its partner state Israel. Money which is lobbied for quarterly by [AIPAC/AZC] American Israeli Political Action Committee/American Zionist Committee, which in turn supports the [Non-Term Limit], Slam Dunk created [Gerrymandered] district members of the Imperial Court, on a Round Robin [USD] trip o those [$USD’s], to the established dictators in the Middle East, who in turn split the cash between paid government lackeys, and their Military Establishment, who purchase the tear gas, water cannons, tanks, weapons, security establishments and prisons to ensure their populations are kept in line. Funding supported from investors such as Nancy Pelosi, among others who line their nests, profiting from the Round Robin [$USD’s], and the suffering of the world masses. Just add up the costs, follow the money lets say all [3] of the lackey client states plus Israel the Tip of the Spear got the same amount of [$USD’s], Egypt, Jordon, Saudi Arabia, with each receiving [$1.5B/$USD’s], but there are [4] listed that’s, [$6B/$USD’s], annually none of which is going to the infrastructure, education, healthcare, [R&D] Research and Development projects for future generations of any type, of The Client States with the exception of Israel and the Military Industrial Complex of American-Israeli Hypocrisy of Democracy and too line the pockets of the Nancy Pelosi’s it buys, but simply to maintain its status quo.

    [A poor investment Israel]

    And what has all these [$USD’s] gotten in return for its poor investment, the hate and rage of those under the age of [25] globally, all for the continued support of Israel, which is guilty of apartheid, and running an open air concentration camp, called Gaza, murdering [400] children and then printing T-shirts, [The smaller ones are harder to hit] among others, the support of that state, with low oil costs per barrel. This as their [POTUS] President of the United States, talks support from one side of his mouth to the Peoples of Egypt and other Arab countries, while having his Military Industrial Complex [Pentagon] working with the [$1.5B/USD] paid for local military establishments of its client states to ruthlessly put down any insurrection, providing direction in suppression of mobile phones, internet, purchasing of anti-insurrection movement forces, acting against any non-controlled media of the world, moving from the outside in towards the main opposition central point, all this in support of the American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex, Wall St., the [NYSE] New York Stock Exchange, Israel and its, declining and increasing irrelevant Hypocrisy of Democracy. A Wake-Up Call-To a poor investment Israel!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

    1. I’m sorry, what does this have to do with 9/11?

      1. It’s the Joos I tell ya! The Joos!

      2. Don’t feed the troll

    2. the aristocrats!

    3. Worst. Onion article. Ever.

    4. You need a new dealer – you’re getting the “bad” stuff

    5. Will COMMANDER take up the challenge?

    6. [Round Robin $USD’s]

      Say “Round Robin” 10,000 times. fast, then repeat.

    7. i missed the part where there was a great gnashing of teeth about oil rich princes?

  14. Cutting funds for underperforming non-profit/public universities would kick UNCF schools right in the nads.

    1. United Nations College Football?

      Oh, I see. United Negro College Fund – An educational assistance organization with 40 private, historically black, member colleges and universities.

      You would have to be an extraordinarily stupid politician to include private not-for-profit schools. However, I can see why a for-profit school would want to hide behind that bulletproof shield.

      Also, That’s Racist!

  15. But can Bob Barr get Baby Doc a scholarship?

  16. THE REAL MESSGE OF [911]

    THE REAL MESSAGE OF [911]

    [Beware the American Israeli Military Industrial Complex]

    The real message of [9/11], is one that will not be understood nor will it accepted by the American Empire, the real message of [9/11] is that the world will no longer standby as the American Empires Military Industrial Complex, continues to undermined the Freedoms of the Community of Nations. The American Empire and its News Media will continue to cry of Terrorism and the terrible loss of life committed upon innocent civilians by crazed Islamic Terrorist as around the American Empire Korans are burned in protest. The problem is that these very American Empire Citizens were in fact not innocent, they were part of the problem, and the entire citizenry of the American Empire are the problem, the problem of they See Nothing, Hear Nothing and Know Nothing, they sit silent at crimes against humanity are committed on a daily basis in their names around the world. And, when any news organization dares to publish any reports of actions that are proven crimes against humanity there is an immediate outcry or innocents, the act was an accident or they claim no knowledge of any such incidents, they learned quickly after live pictures were being put on then Know Nothing, See Nothing, Hear Nothing Empire Citizens, when well its time you Knew, See and Hear for Yourselves, of public executions of Viet Cong prisoners, and actual fire fights in Vietnam. The Real Message is Beware the American Israeli Military Industrial Complex.

    [Blind Eyes, Deaf Ears, and Closed Minds]

    The act of [911], served as a Tolling of the Bell, Ask Not for Whom the Bell Tolls, It Tolls for Thee. It’s not a wake up call that the World should take up arms against Islam or Islamic Terrorists’, but to Open the World Eyes, Ears, and Minds to the real terrorist, the one that was predicted by President Dwight David Eisenhower, the Terrorism of the American Empires Military Industrial Complex, the wake up call to the world to take action against the [CIA] Central Intelligence Agency working with the Israeli Mossad in country after country, to the Black Ops operations so frequently used around the world but most used in South American Countries, the snatch and grabs from country after country, the prisons were so many innocents have been taken abused and murdered by the true terrorist the [CIA] & Black Ops Operatives, of the American Military Industrial Complex. It is time to open those Blind Eyes, Deaf ears, and closed minds.

    [Limit and/or Shut down American Empire Terrorism]

    A new era has been opened by [911], one that must end the American Industrial Complex, Europe must call for the ending of the [Foothold] Europe by the American Industrial Complex, the withdrawal of its troops and nuclear weapons from European territory, Japan must demand the end to [Foothold] Far East, and the immediate withdrawal of all American Troops from Japanese Territory, along with its covert stash of nuclear weapons, all nations providing bases for troops of the American Industrial Complex troops must demand that those troops leave their territory. No Ships of the American Industrial Complex that will not allow inspection for nuclear weapons aboard should be denied access to ports of call, all American Industrial Complex aircraft should be denied access to air space or landing rights. The [CIA] and Mossad must be viewed as agencies operating against the interests of other than those of the American and Israel Military Industrial Complex. Wall St., Washington D. C., the [CIA], Black Ops, and Mossad are not working in anyone’s interests beyond those of the American Israeli Industrial Complex, and it is time by what ever methods to limit their continued operations or shut them down, the biggest Terrorist in the World Today is the American Israeli Industrial Complex. The Real Message is to open your eyes, ears and mind to the true terrorism of the American Israeli Complex, and begin to place sever restrictions upon or totally end those operations, or face the consequences, world domination under that Complex.

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

    1. the aristocrats!

    2. “biggest Terrorist in the World Today is the American Israeli Industrial Complex.”

      How ’bout them Giants! What a ball club!

    3. COMMANDER, meet HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

      HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN, meet COMMANDER

    4. Hey Cyrano, I know a good plastic surgeon for that nose problem.

    5. Trolling of the Bell, Ask Not for Whom the Bell Trolls, It Trolls for Thee

      1. if Ike had only seen the box cutters…

  17. I remember when they redrew district lines in Georgia, and Bob Barr wound up getting gerrymandered right into a Ludacris video.

    1. He should have challenged John Linder.
      The “John Linder wants to take away your home mortgage deduction and institute a 30% National Sales Tax” attack woulda been a sure-fire winner. Didn’t Republican Phil Gingrey actually win that gerrymandered “safe-Democrat” district? Barr was a quitter…just like Palin!

      1. I don’t really know, actually. I only knew about it because I knew a bit about national politics and he was a high-ranking Republican. I distinctly remember Barr’s awful cameo in the video and thinking that he’d pretty much do anything for power and votes.

      2. By the way, can you imagine the fights over the rate on the national sales tax and to which purchases it would apply? My God, it’d be almost hilarious to go shopping and plan a budget if it weren’t so sad.

  18. ENDING FOOTHOLD FAR-EAST JAPAN

    ENDING FOOTHOLD FAR-EAST JAPAN

    [Judith Purse Not Barneys’ Wallet]

    Now, we have tried to keep up with the issue of ending the American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex Foothold Far-East and Europe, as both Japan and Germany struggle to break the Foothold upon their necks that have been in place for now going over [65] sixty-five years, and we were pleased to see that there is now concrete evidence to suggest those Footholds are in fact beginning to slip, and its about time. Japan has announced that Massachusetts Democrat, U.S. Representative Barney Frank is calling for the withdrawal of all American Empire Military Industrial Complex troops of occupation from the soil of the Japanese Empire. We are not talking about a relocation to the island of Guam, at a cost of [?1.6B/$2B] One-Point-Six Billion Euros/Two-Billion-Dollars, a sum that the Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee is not willing to pay, so we should expect a showdown between, Guam’s Senator Judith P. Guthertz, who is the chair of the Committee on Military Buildup and Homeland Security in the Senate, a supporter of the Grand Chessboard Game Theory of Zbigniew Brzezinski the Father of International Terrorism, who supports that relocated from Japan to Guam, at taxpayer expense, but considering that the American Empire’s [EPA] Environmental Protection Agency announced ruling was the Islands infrastructure could not handle, and no one knows just were the money would come from, without cuts coming within the Pentagon structure, Judith will have to come up with the money out of her own purse, its not coming out of Barneys’ wallet, and not on his dime or at his expense.

    [V-SHAPED RUN WAY]

    In [2006] the American-Israeli Empire had agreed to the building of [2] two [1km] One-Thousand Meter long runways in a V-shaped configuration on the coastal area of Nago, on the Prefecture of Okinawa, near the American-Israeli Camp Schwab, and with the transfer of military flights of [C-130] aircraft and helicopters to Tokunosima and other unspecified location, Kadena Air Base has long been a serious noise pollution problem caused by being the home base to [60] sixty [F-15] fighters and [15] fifteen [KC-135] air refueling tankers, as well as a set of[P-3] Orion Navy reconnaissance aircraft and many visiting aircraft missions, on the Okinawa Prefecture. Both the Japanese Empire [EPA], and the U.S. Representative agree that there was no real chance of the projects either abating or reducing noise pollution. In fiscal [2008], the government of Japan registered [39,357] occasions in which American-Israeli Empire aircraft exceeded the upper limit set by the Japanese national government standards, plus the lack of any real chance of enhancing the safety issue’s of flight training over heavily populated areas, as mother nature will have her way in this area.

    [Ending the Grand Chessboard Game]

    The Congressman admitted openly that in fact the American-Israeli Empire has been for decades been planning to move Camp Futenma to the Northern part of Okinawa, building new military port facilities , shifting other military operations to the Japanese Mainland from the Aomori Prefecture and Iwakuni Marine Corps air base in Yamaguchi Prefecture to [6] six Japanese air self defense bases on the mainland of Japan, which is already in progress with the first [6] six [F-15’s] from Kadena having been relocated to Hyakuri base in Ibaraki Prefecture on the Japanese mainland at the same time while sticking it to the [PRC] Peoples Republic of China Sphere of Influence positioning [59] Fifty-Nine [Empire] carrier Fighter Aircraft, which the Nationalist Chinese Island of Taipei says its not going to accept or put up with as the Japanese are extending its [ADIZ] Air Defense Identification Zone, a line that a military aircraft must first provide flight details to the national airspace into which it is entering or will meet with prompt interception by military means, in other words they could use what ever means to take it down. Now, for those of you who can’t quite grasp the concept, Israeli-American Empire fighter aircraft become legal targets of the Nationalist Chinese, but that also means the Red Chinese, mainland government has that right, as they consider the Nationalist Chinese Island as their territory, including its airspace, beginning the strengthening of the American-Israeli Empires Footprint in the Far-East at the expense of both Empires tax base, while increasing tensions in the area, and we can assume that this same strategy is one that can be applied to the Foothold Europe in Germany, not a plan to withdraw either nuclear weapons or other military assets but to increase, while increasing tensions along the Russian Federations Boarders with Europe, all this under the Grand Chessboard Game Theory of Zbigniew Brzezinski the Father of International Terrorism, The (FSWD) Full Spectrum World Domination Strategy, Preparing the Battlefield, Clear, Hold, and Rebuild the World in the mirror image of the American-Israeli Empire, the problem is that Massachusetts Democrat, U.S. Representative Barney Frank, is basically saying he’s no longer willing to fund the Grand Chessboard Game it’s too expensive and it’s a new millennium it’s the [21st] Century.

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

    1. I’m sure glad we have the Editor’s Note to keep the comments on topic. Just imagine what this place would be like without it.

      1. [Ending the Grand Chessboard Game]

        C’mon, Spiny – the Grand Chessboard Game is really what it’s all about (they hoky poky aside). So Hercule’s comments apply to EVERY topic – it’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

        1. and in other news the CDC has just announced that “toe jam” is not the disease ridden filth you once thought it was…

    2. Dude,
      Get the fuck out’a here

      You’re making the liberturds look intelligent.

    3. Charlie Bales, it’s not the Jooooos, it’s the fire hoses. You need to hire someone that knows hoses.

  19. THE MAP OF NORTH AMERICA WILL CHANGE WITH THE COLLAPSE OF THE [EMPIRE] AMERICAN ISRAELI EMPIRE!!!!

    We [TRIATHLON] believe that the [Empire] American-Israeli Empire will devolve into the following Free Nations in the North American Sector:

    *The Confederate States of America [All of the South EXCEPT Virginia and Florida]

    *The Republic of Texas

    *The Californian Republic

    *The People’s Democratic Republic of Pacifica [Oregon, Washington, British Colombia, and Alaska]

    *The United Federation of Desert [Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Idaho, united under the aegis of the Mormon Church]

    *The Midwestern Union [Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa]

    *The Democratic Federation of New England [All of New England EXCEPT the the portion of Connecticut in the NYC Metro Area, plus Upstate New York]

    The City-State of Greater New York [New York Metro Area]

    *The Federal Republic of the Chesapeake [Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, D.C. and Virginia]

    *La Republica de la Florida

    All other areas not mentioned will be in [ANARCHY]!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

    1. I AGREE

      1. Can we re-post?!

    2. but we tried that.

    3. does this mean i finally get my riparian rights back?

    4. All other areas not mentioned will be in [ANARCHY]!

      Iowa, Nebraska,Kansas, Montana and the Dakotas will be libertopia?

      I was hoping it’d be in Hawaii.

  20. [TRIATHLON REPLYS]

    [Rock Action]

    YES WE CAN!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN|2.11.11 @ 9:28PM|#
    THE MAP OF NORTH AMERICA WILL CHANGE WITH THE COLLAPSE OF THE [EMPIRE] AMERICAN ISRAELI EMPIRE!!!!

    We [TRIATHLON] believe that the [Empire] American-Israeli Empire will devolve into the following Free Nations in the North American Sector:

    *The Confederate States of America [All of the South EXCEPT Virginia and Florida]

    *The Republic of Texas

    *The Californian Republic

    *The People’s Democratic Republic of Pacifica [Oregon, Washington, British Colombia, and Alaska]

    *The United Federation of Deseret [Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Idaho, united under the aegis of the Mormon Church]

    *The Midwestern Union [Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa]

    *The Democratic Federation of New England [All of New England EXCEPT the the portion of Connecticut in the NYC Metro Area, plus Upstate New York]

    The City-State of Greater New York [New York Metro Area]

    *The Federal Republic of the Chesapeake [Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, D.C. and Virginia]

    *La Republica de la Florida

    All other areas not mentioned will be in [ANARCHY]!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  21. [TRIATHLON REPLYS]

    [Rock Action]

    YES WE CAN!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN|2.11.11 @ 9:28PM|#
    THE MAP OF NORTH AMERICA WILL CHANGE WITH THE COLLAPSE OF THE [EMPIRE] AMERICAN ISRAELI EMPIRE!!!!

    We [TRIATHLON] believe that the [Empire] American-Israeli Empire will devolve into the following Free Nations in the North American Sector:

    *The Confederate States of America [All of the South EXCEPT Virginia and Florida]

    *The Republic of Texas

    *The Californian Republic

    *The People’s Democratic Republic of Pacifica [Oregon, Washington, British Colombia, and Alaska]

    *The United Federation of Deseret [Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Idaho, united under the aegis of the Mormon Church]

    *The Midwestern Union [Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa]

    *The Democratic Federation of New England [All of New England EXCEPT the the portion of Connecticut in the NYC Metro Area, plus Upstate New York]

    The City-State of Greater New York [New York Metro Area]

    *The Federal Republic of the Chesapeake [Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, D.C. and Virginia]

    *La Republica de la Florida

    All other areas not mentioned will be in [ANARCHY]!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

    1. Is a character limit not libertarian or something?

    2. Is a character limit not libertarian or something?

    3. Is a character limit not libertarian or something?

      1. To say nothing of repetition.

        I keed, I keed.

  22. LA REPUBLICA DE LA FLORIDA! VIVA EL PRESIDENTE MARCO RUBIO!!!!

  23. Where’s the post about Ron Paul’s speech at CPAC? He did an awesome job. here…

  24. LONG LIVE RON PAUL: PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS!!!!!!!!!

    1. presidents come and go buddy

    2. Stop posting you annoying twat.

      1. See, this is what INCIF was made for.

  25. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

    JUSTICE CLINTON MYRA YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

    [I’m Hercule Triathlon Savinien Myra]

    Now, we do a lot of surfing the news around the internet, surfing at La Jolla, isn’t in the cards any longer, and one of the sights we check out is (www.TheDailyBeast.Com), a guy by the name of Drudge run’s the site, but we’re not allowed to post on the site, Drudge sent a little E-mail saying his lawyers, said it wasn’t to good of an idea to let us post, but at least the boy had the curtsey to let us know it weren’t his idea, and you know how them lawyers are. But that being authors make a mistake and let you know how to get ahold of em’ which in my case is a bad plan, well Myra Adams, and Mark McKinnon wrote an article entitled Justice Clinton? And, Myra gave her E-mail contact address as (www.TheJesusStore.Com), now not being a Deist, and not a Clinton Fan we couldn’t pass this up, no way, no day. So of course we sent Myra an E-mail, and it must not have dawned on her she gave permission to post her E-mail address, cause we got back a reply saying;

    Who are you? Just curious.
    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

    Well, we once again informed her that we were Hercule Triathlon Savinien, so to all you authors don’t make the same mistake, especially when the Secret Service pays me visits and lawyers don’t want me blogging.

    [Are You Out Of Your Cottin Pickin Head???]

    Well, what was in this E-mail that warranted any reply, that’s simple my opinion of Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton being anything in the government and the answer is [YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!], and a Supreme Court Lifetime Appointee, [YOUR OUR OF YOUR COTTIN PICIN HEAD];

    * Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton is a stuck up, snob, from the suburbs of the Windy City, Chicago, Illinois, they always figured they were somehow better than us across the Cook County line, in Richard J. Daily’s City, which we never understood, because Daily never walked down the Cook County hallway to his City Office, and Presidents came to see him, and no body put his city down or in danger, wasn’t going to happen. And some how they were better than us in the Windy City, YA RIGHT! And a Yankee’s Fan adding insult to injury.

    * We informed Myra that we believe that the marriage of Hill and the Media Messiah Imperial President was a marriage of convince, made in Swell, that was about [18M] Million votes, and that from what we can see there seems to be trouble in Paradise. We’re guessing that the Chicago boy Rahm Emanuel, and White House Chief of Staff, has about as much liking for our Park Ridge Bee-Itch as we do, there are a lot of indications.

    * Hillary goes over to Germany and gives an interview that she can’t she herself as (SOS) Secretary Of State, that this [24-7] twenty-four hours a day-seven day a week grind was wearing her down, she was not going to be a [SOS] if the Messiah got another term in office, but was going to retire to write and teach, and this after an [18] month, winner take all battle with the Messiah for the Oval Office, an upon returning to [ConUs] The Continental United States, the lower [48] forty-eight, the story changes, Hillary couldn’t be happier in her job, and with the people she works with, that she was just as snug as a bug in a rug. Like the boy over at State really want her; You’ve got it wrong,” Lavrov commented with a smile. He then explained that the words the Americans chose ? “peregruzka” meant “overloaded” as opposed to “reset” (The correct choice of word should have been ‘perezagruzka’). But the Russian minister nevertheless thanked Clinton for the warm intentions. Them boys over at State set her up, Hillary is letting her alligator, mouth overload her hummingbird backside, the interpreters must have had a chuckle over that one that would been worth opening a brand new bottle of Vodka and sitting down at the table, you don’t get up until its drained.

    * Then we have Hillary now looking at Marcy Manor, the Governors House of the State of New York the Empire State, well if you can’t live in the White House of the American-Israeli Empire why not the first capital of the Empire, but no, Hillary wasn’t really interested in that either.

    * Then it was well maybe Biden would step down as [VP] Vice President, taking Hillary’s job at State, Biden always wanted to be [SOS], like Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi would simple set aside being one step closer as Number [3] Three in the Presidency Line, President-Vice President-Speaker of the House-Secretary of State, and Nancy is going to miss her place in history for Hillary, that is a cat fight we’d like to see.

    * And, now Hillary wants’ to be a lifetime appointed Supreme Court Justice, now this is not just a political appointment, this is a HOT BUTTON, political appointment, it means decades of political clout, and the vetting process is not about well I’m Bills Wife the guy who got Impeached and the Supreme Court Justice was at the impeachment. We would really like too see how all those named in the Vanity Fair article Bubba Trouble, The Comeback Id by Todd S. Purdum, July [2008], (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07?printable=true&current😉 would really feel about that vetting process, and then there is the Clinton Library all over again. Plus Bill’s girlfriend in the northern county of America’s Finest County, San Diego County, so far its been, only know around the county, but the vetting will uncover her name, and its not that hard to do, since its been going on from the White House days and its not Monica.

    [Something is Wrong in Paradise]

    So, something is wrong in Paradise, so what’s new with a Clinton, they leave a wake of disaster behind them [1.6km] One-Point-Six Kilometers wide, and enough dirt to build a land bridge between Contintents, my best guess is Hillary and Bill, well, running the White House from the State Department ain’t working to well, especially when your door is thru Rahm Emanuel, with the boys at State cutting your legs out from under you. So once again to Myra JUSTICE CLINTON MYRA YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

    1. “surfing at La Jolla, isn’t in the cards any longer,”

      For which La Jollians can be thankful.

    2. Suggestion: write a blog. That way a) you can stop shitting up the comments b) we don’t have to read your nonsense.

      You are to political discourse as sports columnists are to athletics.

      1. it has a blog.
        search the name.

        1. Great, he probably has months of inane commentary stored up that he can copy and paste into every thread.

          1. Ding! Correct answer.

    3. [Are You Out Of Your Cottin Pickin Head???]

      RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIIIIIIIIIIIST!!!!!!11!

      Now you’ve gone over the line, Hercule Poirot-bot!

    4. “send lawyers, guns and money…”

  26. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AND THE [NYSE]

    SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AND THE [NYSE]

    [The May 1st NYSE Nose Dive]

    Now, we know that there are [2] Two type’s of Democratic, Capitalist/Socialist, and the Socialist seem to believe they can by using procedural methods change the entire Medical System of the American-Israeli Empire by the [1st] of May, 2010. But, shortly thereafter you can expect the [NYSE] New York Stock Exchange to take a nose dive. Why, would this happen, the simple answer is the Capitalist Medicine System is a major industry, not made up of just Hospitals and Doctors and Nurses, then there is the question of just were do all these health care technicians come from, Cuba, but of those who supply tools and support to them, with bandages, bed’s, bed pans, hypodermic needles, the medication, the and these come at a cost, and many out of country investors are heavily invested into companies listed on the [NYSE] that provide these items, no return on their investments or a sharp decline in those returns and they withdraw their money to reinvest into areas where they can once again make the return they were getting in the Empire medical system.

    [Green Vs VA]

    The Empire has a population of over [350M] Three-Hundred and Fifty Million, spanning [4] Four time zones, and with within just miles in La Jolla, [4] Four different types of medical service are being provided to the citizens of The Empires Finest County, San Diego County, the top of the line is Green Hospital, only the [ELITE] are treated there, Henry Winkler and many stars have been patients in Green Hospital, along with sports figures from around the world with the worlds finest sports medicine and than you head down the coast to the remaining hospitals and each one is a step down from the other one, from Green to the [VA] Veterans hospitals which is staffed with many of the doctors of the other hospitals of that same community of hospitals, who do research projects out of the [VA] Hospital. Do you really believe that the same is not done, in New York City, Chicago, L.A., of course not, the Elite are not going to want to be among the mass, the mob, the rabble, mob, they certainly don’t at Green hospital, if someone of the lower cases is brought to its doors, they only stabilize that individual and immediately transport them to one of the lower class hospitals, the cops can take the gang bangers and criminals to that hospital not here, to those fresh out of medical school, and you can still bet that Bill Clinton will call his Doctors directly while you can get a receptionist who will ask if its an emergency, and if so call [911] to bring you in, if not take [2] Two aspirins, call the doctor in the morning and they will make an appointment to see you and don’t just reschedule like Bubba, big mistake, it will be [6] six months not the next day before you get in.

    [Dr. Ron Paul Called It]

    Dr. Ron Paul at a meeting of the Tea-Party Movement said that this was going to be a year that would shake the world, and how little did anyone understand what that statement, it is going to shake the very economic institutions around the globe as investment money is shifted to more stable markets after the none dive of the [NYSE] do to the ending of the Capitalist provided medical system, which the world will recognize for what it is the beginning of the end of the Empire, Socialism does not work for large populations spread between [2] Two oceans, and [4] Four time zones. Especially when it took the Island Nation of the United Kingdom, Great Britain, England [65] sixty-five years to get were its is and they are not happy with what they have. The Rich and Elite are and will be treated in those Green Hospitals that exist around the globe, and their doors are not open to anyone but the Elite and nothing is going to change, the money will be spent on the Green’s, and then dribble down to the rest as it does in La Jolla. The only change and damage will be in the [NYSE] shaking the world economic markets.

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

    1. Eat shit and die.

    2. All right Cyrano, this is getting ridiculous. You are trying our patience. Take this shit over to the Daily Paul.

    3. dude, keep your cell phone off…
      the missiles have launched.

    4. Triathalon is [URL=http://againstthemodernworld.blogspot.com/2010/11/thoughts-on-andrew-loeb.html]Andrew Loeb’s[/URL] new HIVE designation.

      1. Hypertext that shit.

  27. the real hozni m|2.11.11 @ 10:57PM|#

    presidents come and go buddy

    Don’t I know it.

    1. preach it, brother

  28. Oooooh, that last part copped a lot of David Foster Wallace’s writing style there, only without regard to his exacting punctuation standards, if by exacting you’re using the colloquial and more commonly understood meaning of the word, substituting “painstakingly and learnedly accurate” for the original meaning, which was something or someone that was overly demanding to the point of qualifying as severe.*

    *which, w/r/t to Greek sculpture, was really a fine period, if you know what I mean.

    1. The Hillary digression, I mean. Damn squirrels.

  29. every solo and every and just about every

  30. I get more and mare information and popularity from your articles,so that I can keep up with the steps of the society!

  31. When Bob Barr was asked by Roger Roots about his column “Yates Jury Gets it Wrong”, he replied “You support jury nullification in murder trials?!” As if Roger was wrong. Roger replied “Yes, because the jury can decide whether the laws against murder are being applied fairly and evenly, or whether the person was acting in self-defense. Juries are not to “take the law as the judge gives it to them, because judges are typically totally-biased, worthless pieces of shit who work with the prosecutor, and are virtually all current or former members of the bar. Even if they aren’t licensed into the same club, they have an immense conflict of interest, and spend much of their time enforcing mala prohibita, which has no right to exist”.

    Even on the more controversial fairness standard, Barr got it wrong. …For instance, what if whites were allowed to murder blacks (or chinese) freely, but blacks (or chinese) were arrested and sentenced when they retaliated?” (Such a situation once existed in the USA.) Now, from the jury nullification comments on this site, most libertarians are dilletantes, who don’t really comprehend the concept of consistent libertarianism and how it might actually function (Many oppose jury nullification of law, and would apparently like the prosecutor and judge to have even more unlimited power than they already do, or a state of lawlessness where anyone is free to rape, steal, and murder). The standard bearer of the LP in 2008, and a former prosecutor, Barr had no comprehension of of a moral system of law. He was a part and parcel of the problem. He spent most of his life as a tyrant and an oppressor.

    As George Carlin said: “If you wanted to start cleaning up the world with a gun, you could do a lot worse than a whole bunch of dead prosecutors.” This is certainly still true today, as it was then.

    So on what other issues was Barr not just “not libertarian” on, but actively anti-libertarian? He supported drug war intervention and foreign alliances for the purpose of maintaining that interventionist relationship, with Columbia’s prohibitionist dictator, Alvaro Uribe.
    http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con…..d0319.html

    –Barr actually argued that we should side with Uribe because he’s “pro-U.S.” Gee, he’s pro-US, because he’s a prohibitionist who murders those evil black market drug dealers?

    The saddest thing is that quasi-libertarian dipshit Justin Raimondo also criticizes Barr (but only for military interventionism on behalf of the drug war), and then asserts that he’s OK with Barr’s view that hard drugs should be illegal (at the end of the article. He also claims he knows this opinion will “make people mad over at Reason”).

    …That’s a special kind of stupid!

    But those aren’t the only inanities to come from Barr. He was a CIA goon, he authored the hideous “Defense of Marriage Act” (later apologizing for it at the 2008 LP Convention).

    Wayne Root was horrified by Barr, but “took one for the team” and closed ranks around him. He was later horrified by the ineptitude and unwillingness of the Barr campaign to run a serious campaign, and he didn’t have the kind of support he’d previously sought from people who said they’d support him if he got the presidential nomination. …Barr’s track record was simply too toxic on civil liberties! (And this was potentially a breakout year for the Libertarian Party. Ron Paul raise some $34,000,000 = 34 times the money spent on ballot access every 4 years! Enough money to take over an entire state and make its legislature Libertarian-controlled! Where would we be now with that kind of success?! Everyone would know the term libertarian, and many more would agree with it.)

    Barr spurned Ron Paul’s press release, which roughly equated all third parties as equal. Not the optimal result for individual liberty, but Barr took the recommendation that people vote Green before voting D and R as a personal insult, threw a temper tantrum, and caused Paul to endorse Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party (who was,ironically, vastly more libertarian than Barr, but attached to a theocratic party).

    This had the effect of splintering the libertarian movement, an already fractious movement comprised of individualists who are typically unwilling to “unite” and work together.

    And what of Barr’s campaign? …Well, he put mongoloid Shane Cory in charge of ballot access for WV, who hired Jake Witmer to come out to WV. Jake wisely didn’t trust Cory, and sent Cory a contract, which Cory agreed to by email, and stated he would sign when he got back to a computer. Jake left for WV.

    Jake gathered a few thousand signatures, but not the inhuman (delusional) 400 per day expected of him by Cory. Why did Cory expect this delusional number in spite of Jake’s protests and offers to bring in an adequate number of professionals to complete the job? Eric Dondero had told Cory that Jake would do that number, knowing that no petitioner anywhere could accomplish that number. Cory then –on further advice from saboteur Dondero– prohibited Jake from bringing in additional ballot access petitioners. (A breach of the contract that Cory later refused to sign!)

    But, it gets better! Russell Verney (Barr’s doofus campaign manager, and Saboteur of the 1992 Ross Perot campaign)called Jake, and told him to stop working, hand in his signatures, so he could decide whether to call off the attempt or not. Calling off the attempt was something Jake had considered as a possibility, and the contract –now ignored– that Jake had created prohibited the Barr campaign from calling the work short. (After all, there was more than enough work to do, and more than enough people to do it.) Further, Jake had paid his last dollars getting to WV, and needed the written contract to be honored, in order to pay for the rental car, and make a profit!

    Verney and Cory kept Andy Jacobs and his brother, Bob Lynch, Paulie C., Mark P., and Gary Fincher out of WV. Each of these people would have gathered 150 signatures per day, minimum. (6 x 150 =900 x 21 days = 18,900 = ballot access! Instead, we came dramatically short, because Jake was the ONLY Libertarian activist hired to work in WV.) All the people Jake wanted to bring in were LP members, solid libertarian activists, and all were on a ‘blacklist’, devised by Shane Cory and Sean Haugh (under the direction of Scott Kohlhaas) and prohibited from working for Barr.

    So, then what happened? Barr, Verney, and Cory realized a few days before the deadline that they had totally succeeded in prohibiting Jake from succeeding in WV. Jake was not allowed to hire anyone, even though his contract said he was allowed to.

    So Cory and Verney told Jake he was fired and refused to pay him money he was owed. They also blamed the failure on him! But it gets better! They then brought in a ton of non-libertarian mercenary petitioners (ones who don’t build the LP, don’t hand out any information, and represent the LP poorly, as a bunch of street hustlers). They paid these people several thousand dollars, to gather signatures AFTER the legal deadline that had been met by both the Green Party, the Constitution Party, AND Ralph Nader! These LP donor dollars were totally and completely gauranteed to be wasted. And when they were, Barr bitched and moaned and blamed the “unfair ballot access laws in West Virginia”.

    Add that to the four additional states that Sean Haugh cost the LP, (by having no clue how to perform ballot access, and continually working to preserve the “blacklist” and cover up Kohlhaas’s 2006 defrauding of libertarian activists Andy J., Mark P., Paulie C., and Gary F.). Want proof? Go to page 14 of the 2007 Pittsburgh LNC meeting minutes, where the LNC raises a motion to defraud those four petitioners, and then –when they realize they are in the room!– agree to pay them what Kohlhaas owes them (A year late!). http://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20070721.pdf

    What lessons has the CIA and status quo establishment learned from all this? The LP is easy to hijack, strategically inept, and without a charter that acts as an immune system. In short, the LP has fired all of its guns getting the philosophy correct, and none of its guns getting strategy correct.

    They are as open to misdirection as they ever have been. Those who are corrupt and worthless (Scott Kohlhaas, Sean Haugh, Shane Cory, Russell Verney, etc…) are protected by rules that favor sociopaths, and an opaque and bureaucratic system of governance.

    In short: The Libertarian Party was/is totally corrupted, and they don’t even have power yet.

    Imagine how they’ll govern us all if they’re elected!

    Now, this isn’t to say that we shouldn’t engage in party politics. …But we’re going to have to smarten up about both strategy and philosophy if we want to make a difference of any kind.

  32. When Bob Barr was asked by Roger Roots of FIJA about his column “Yates Jury Gets it Wrong”, at the Denver 2008 Libertarian Party National Convention, he replied “You support jury nullification in murder trials?!” …As if Roger was wrong to object to Barr’s statement “The jury is to take instruction from the judge on the law”. Roger replied in a libertarian manner. Probably close to how I would have replied: “Yes, because the jury can decide whether the laws against murder are being applied fairly and evenly, or whether the person was acting in self-defense and is being wrongly charged, or whether there are other mitigating factors. Moreover, juries must be superior in power to judges and prosecutors if there is to be a shred of freedom. Juries are not to “take the law as the judge gives it to them, because judges are typically totally-biased, worthless pieces of sh*t who work with the prosecutor, and are virtually all current or former members of the bar. Even if they aren’t licensed into the same club, they have an immense conflict of interest, and spend much of their time enforcing mala prohibita, which has no right to exist”.

    I found out at the Convention that I was the only person who brought Barr’s anti-libertarian articles, proof of his abject worthlessness as an LP “standard bearer”.

    Even on the more controversial fairness standard, Barr got it wrong. …For instance, what if whites were allowed to murder blacks (or chinese) freely, but blacks (or chinese) were arrested and sentenced when they retaliated?” (Such a situation once existed in the USA.) Now, from the jury nullification comments on this site, most libertarians are dilletantes, who don’t really comprehend the concept of consistent libertarianism and how it might actually function (Many oppose jury nullification of law, and would apparently like the prosecutor and judge to have even more unlimited power than they already do, or a state of lawlessness where anyone is free to rape, steal, and murder). The standard bearer of the LP in 2008, and a former prosecutor, Barr had no comprehension of of a moral system of law. He was a part and parcel of the problem. He spent most of his life as a tyrant and an oppressor.

    As George Carlin said: “If you wanted to start cleaning up the world with a gun, you could do a lot worse than a whole bunch of dead prosecutors.” This is certainly still true today, as it was then.

  33. So on what other issues was Barr not just “not libertarian” on, but actively anti-libertarian? He supported drug war intervention and foreign alliances for the purpose of maintaining that interventionist relationship, with Columbia’s prohibitionist dictator, Alvaro Uribe.
    http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con…..d0319.html

    –Barr actually argued that we should side with Uribe because he’s “pro-U.S.” Gee, he’s pro-US, because he’s a prohibitionist who murders those evil black market drug dealers?

    The saddest thing is that quasi-libertarian dipwad Justin Raimondo also criticizes Barr (but only for military interventionism on behalf of the drug war), and then asserts that he’s OK with Barr’s view that hard drugs should be illegal (at the end of the article. He also claims he knows this opinion will “make people mad over at Reason” –he’s right about that).
    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12689

    …That’s a special kind of stupid!

  34. But he can object to prejudicial

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