The Washington Post gives us a glimpse at the work of one FBI informant:
[Craig] Monteilh's mission as an informant backfired. Muslims were so alarmed by his talk of violent jihad that they obtained a restraining order against him.
He had helped build a terrorism-related case against a mosque member, but that also collapsed. The Justice Department recently took the extraordinary step of dropping charges against the worshiper, who Monteilh had caught on tape agreeing to blow up buildings, law enforcement officials said. Prosecutors had portrayed the man as a dire threat.
Compounding the damage, Monteilh has gone public, revealing secret FBI methods and charging that his "handlers" trained him to entrap Muslims as he infiltrated their mosques, homes and businesses. He is now suing the FBI.
Some details on the case that collapsed:
In May 2007, Monteilh said he recorded a conversation about jihad during a car ride with [Ahmadullah Sais] Niazi and another man. Monteilh said he suggested an operation to blow up buildings and Niazi agreed. An FBI agent later cited that and other taped conversations between the two in court as evidence that Niazi was a threat.
A few days later, [Hussam] Ayloush [of the L.A. Council on American-Islamic Relations] got an anguished phone call from Niazi and the other man in the car.
"They said Farouk had told them he had access to weapons and that they should blow up a mall," Ayloush recalled. "They were convinced this man was a terrorist."
Ayloush reported the FBI's own informant to the FBI. He said agents interviewed Niazi, who gave them the same account, but the agency took no action against Monteilh.
Yet it was years before the case against Niazi was dropped, and that conversation with Monteilh was still used as evidence against the man. As Adam Serwer writes, "Niazi did what, ideally, the FBI would have wanted him to do--and they tried to nail him anyway. Given that the government acknowledges a toxic relationship between the American Muslim community and law enforcement would be a disaster for terrorism investigations, one wonders why the FBI was busy trying to make a case against the kind of person who will drop a dime on someone [he] believed was a terrorist. Prosecutors ultimately dismissed the case, but it's extraordinary that it even got as far as a courtroom."
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Am I the only one concerned that these sting operations loser setups (exercises in entrapment if you prefer) actually increase the chances of homegrown terrorism due to understanding resentment and perception by Muslims that they are now being persecuted in the US?
I'm more concerned that seeing hundreds of these stories will make it harder to catch terrorists who have a better chance of blowing shit up than winning the Powerball. But not much. Most of these cases are young men who are pissed off and happen to be muslim. I could run similar ops in places where disaffected white christian 20 year olds hang out and find someone to agree to blow shit up. The homegrown Muslim terrorist threat is essentially non-existant.
That reminds me of the Beavis & Butthead episode where they wind up at the Army recruiter. He takes out a tape that reads "Metalheads", pops it in, and it shows explosion after explosion, "you'll get to blow stuff up!"
Not to mention it will piss off the people who would report actual terrorists or make them think that all suspicious guys like this are FBI agents. It's like the FBI thinks the boy who cried wolf was the good guy at the end of the story.
I'd have to question the good sense of anyone who doesn't see the problem with a government organization, nominally designed to prevent these sort incidents, inciting young Muslims to want to commit acts of terrorism against US citizens.
.....actually increase the chances of homegrown terrorism.
And this is bad for the FBI how come appropriations hearings time?
This story reminds me of the P.J. O'Rourke line about the way to determine who the FBI informant at the KKK was was to look for the guy under the freshly laundered and pressed sheet.
Like a lot of things, it was designed to make you feel safer when you read the paper or watched the news. Happy news of moslems being indicted by the FBI.
Treason, I mean Reason, should be ashamed of itself for pulling back the curtain.
Don't know why I'm bothering to fix this, but first off, what planet are you from that the news makes you feel good and safe instead of telling you how hairspray is going to rape your children? All news does anymore is freak the hell out; the only limit is that it can't be a problem that requires thought. And if you didn't notice, Reason was referencing a mainstreak news source, and this is now a court case. The curtain was gone before Reason got there.
What we really need is an FBI sting operation which will induce disaffected young Moslem men to attempt to sneak bombs through airport security, in order to increase America's appreciation for the TSA; that will silence all the terror sympathizers who keep asking "Whom has the TSA 'actually caught'?"
Problem: the TSA didn't catch the guy whose dad called up and said, "please arrest my son." This "young Moslem's" handlers would need to instruct him to paint himself yellow, wear a sign saying, "Warning: Jihadist," and to loudly announce during screening, "I can't wait to detonate my bag midflight, killing myself and my fellow passengers." Even then, we're only talking a 50/50 chance of apprehension.
Ayloush reported the FBI's own informant to the FBI.
And yet the narrative remains (at least amongst the neocon "the Mooslims are all out to kill us" crowd) that Muslims don't say or do anything about Muslim terrorists.
In May 2007, Monteilh said he recorded a conversation about jihad during a car ride with [Ahmadullah Sais] Niazi and another man. Monteilh said he suggested an operation to blow up buildings and Niazi agreed.
Edited out of the conversation was an exchange in which one of the terror suspects asked the FBI agent to "fix" a speeding ticket for him.
"Dude, c'mon; you KNOW you can do it. Don't be such a dick."
Once I came up with a fiction plot about an undercover operative in a militia group that was planning a raid. When the day came for the big bust, it turned out that all the other members were also undercover cops. I discarded the idea because it was unbelievable.
Given that the government acknowledges a toxic relationship between the American Muslim community and law enforcement would be a disaster for terrorism investigations, one wonders why the FBI was busy trying to make a case against the kind of person who will drop a dime on someone [he] believed was a terrorist.
Because every once in a while your boss in the White House is going to need a "tough on terror" spectacle where he announces his administration has caught dangerous terrorists.
The Obamas and Holders (and their GOP counterparts) of the world see gullible, disaffected Muslims who say stupid things to an informant (while being completely unable to actually launch an attack without help from the FBI) as little more than objects that can be used to gain more power. They do not have a conscience.
Guess what? We wouldn't have to worry about Somalis (disaffected or not) blowing shit up in this country if we didn't bring them in as refugees (in many cases, the government went to special efforts to resettle them in this country).
for more information about our conferences dealing with crimes committed by FBI agents to see a partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 1500 pages long
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took the extraordinary step of dropping charges against the worshiper, who Monteilh had caught on tape agreeing to blow up buildings, law enforcement officials said. Pro
Whole thing sounds kinda crazy to me dude.
http://www.privacy-resources.edu.tc
Am I the only one concerned that these sting operations loser setups (exercises in entrapment if you prefer) actually increase the chances of homegrown terrorism due to understanding resentment and perception by Muslims that they are now being persecuted in the US?
I'm more concerned that seeing hundreds of these stories will make it harder to catch terrorists who have a better chance of blowing shit up than winning the Powerball. But not much. Most of these cases are young men who are pissed off and happen to be muslim. I could run similar ops in places where disaffected white christian 20 year olds hang out and find someone to agree to blow shit up. The homegrown Muslim terrorist threat is essentially non-existant.
The Hutaree. Guess who their "bomb expert" worked for.
I could run similar ops in places where disaffected white christian 20 year olds hang out and find someone to agree to blow shit up.
Hey, it works for US Army Recuriting Command.
That reminds me of the Beavis & Butthead episode where they wind up at the Army recruiter. He takes out a tape that reads "Metalheads", pops it in, and it shows explosion after explosion, "you'll get to blow stuff up!"
Not to mention it will piss off the people who would report actual terrorists or make them think that all suspicious guys like this are FBI agents. It's like the FBI thinks the boy who cried wolf was the good guy at the end of the story.
Peaceful, assimilated communities are counterproductive in terms of FBI and DHS budgetary demands.
Oh yeah? Well, fuck you!
I'd have to question the good sense of anyone who doesn't see the problem with a government organization, nominally designed to prevent these sort incidents, inciting young Muslims to want to commit acts of terrorism against US citizens.
.....actually increase the chances of homegrown terrorism.
And this is bad for the FBI how come appropriations hearings time?
This story reminds me of the P.J. O'Rourke line about the way to determine who the FBI informant at the KKK was was to look for the guy under the freshly laundered and pressed sheet.
Have you seen the latest edition of the Newspeak Dictionary, Winston?
Like a lot of things, it was designed to make you feel safer when you read the paper or watched the news. Happy news of moslems being indicted by the FBI.
Treason, I mean Reason, should be ashamed of itself for pulling back the curtain.
Don't know why I'm bothering to fix this, but first off, what planet are you from that the news makes you feel good and safe instead of telling you how hairspray is going to rape your children? All news does anymore is freak the hell out; the only limit is that it can't be a problem that requires thought. And if you didn't notice, Reason was referencing a mainstreak news source, and this is now a court case. The curtain was gone before Reason got there.
Sarcasm is not just a river in Egypt. Or something.
Given that the government acknowledges a toxic relationship between the American Muslim community and law enforcement...
The government as a whole may not want to burn that information bridge, but individual federal prosecutors have r?sum?s to pad.
It's good to know that the FBI is doing this instead of investigating local corruption cases. Because they have unlimited resources, you know.
You know what other Niazis wanted to destroy American.
It's not "extraordinary" that this reached a courtroom - it's the FBI.
Next step is to unearth a Substance D drug-running ring.
Found 'em!
What we really need is an FBI sting operation which will induce disaffected young Moslem men to attempt to sneak bombs through airport security, in order to increase America's appreciation for the TSA; that will silence all the terror sympathizers who keep asking "Whom has the TSA 'actually caught'?"
It's like a criminological perpertual-motion machine!
Problem: the TSA didn't catch the guy whose dad called up and said, "please arrest my son." This "young Moslem's" handlers would need to instruct him to paint himself yellow, wear a sign saying, "Warning: Jihadist," and to loudly announce during screening, "I can't wait to detonate my bag midflight, killing myself and my fellow passengers." Even then, we're only talking a 50/50 chance of apprehension.
I think 50/50 kind of overstates the TSA's competency.
How precisely does one sympathize with "terror"? Or was that bit directed solely at Scarecrow?
Blizzard fans, I think.
Ayloush reported the FBI's own informant to the FBI.
And yet the narrative remains (at least amongst the neocon "the Mooslims are all out to kill us" crowd) that Muslims don't say or do anything about Muslim terrorists.
In May 2007, Monteilh said he recorded a conversation about jihad during a car ride with [Ahmadullah Sais] Niazi and another man. Monteilh said he suggested an operation to blow up buildings and Niazi agreed.
Edited out of the conversation was an exchange in which one of the terror suspects asked the FBI agent to "fix" a speeding ticket for him.
"Dude, c'mon; you KNOW you can do it. Don't be such a dick."
I'm imagining that conversation was kind of like:
Monteilh: Hey, you know what would really be great? We should blow up some buildings. Really piss off these dumb Americans.
Niazi: Uh, haha, yeah, okay, man.
M: No, really. It'd be awesome.
N: Oh, uh, yeah! Yeah. (Jesus, what's wrong with this dick?)
M: Let's do it man! YEAH!
N: Hey, you can just let me out here, I'll walk the rest of the way. I'll, uh, I'll let you know about that building thing.
M: (locks car doors) Nah, nah, it's cool. You don't want to walk. Hey, how about that building?
We are coming for your young men.
Once I came up with a fiction plot about an undercover operative in a militia group that was planning a raid. When the day came for the big bust, it turned out that all the other members were also undercover cops. I discarded the idea because it was unbelievable.
I'm reconsidering.
Wait. You came up with that plot? G.K. Chesterton has some explaining to do.
The country's in the very best of hands!
It should be....we have top men working on it. TOP MEN!
Given that the government acknowledges a toxic relationship between the American Muslim community and law enforcement would be a disaster for terrorism investigations, one wonders why the FBI was busy trying to make a case against the kind of person who will drop a dime on someone [he] believed was a terrorist.
Because every once in a while your boss in the White House is going to need a "tough on terror" spectacle where he announces his administration has caught dangerous terrorists.
The Obamas and Holders (and their GOP counterparts) of the world see gullible, disaffected Muslims who say stupid things to an informant (while being completely unable to actually launch an attack without help from the FBI) as little more than objects that can be used to gain more power. They do not have a conscience.
Guess what? We wouldn't have to worry about Somalis (disaffected or not) blowing shit up in this country if we didn't bring them in as refugees (in many cases, the government went to special efforts to resettle them in this country).
for more information about our conferences dealing with crimes committed by FBI agents to see a partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 1500 pages long
forums.signonsandiego. com/showthread.php?t=59139
to view a partial list of FBI agents arrested for pedophilia see
campusactivism. org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=29
also see
ctka.net/pr500-king.html
took the extraordinary step of dropping charges against the worshiper, who Monteilh had caught on tape agreeing to blow up buildings, law enforcement officials said. Pro