The Case Against ObamaCare's Individual Mandate
The Obama administration was clearly hoping that the lawsuits against this year's health care overhaul would be short-lived and legally fruitless. In both Virginia and Florida, where the strongest challenges have been mounted, the government filed to have the case dismissed due to lack of standing. And in both cases, the judges decided not only to let the challenges proceed, they also highlighted the unique, unprecedented nature of the key point of challenge—the law's individual mandate to purchase health insurance. According to Judge Roger Vinson, who is presiding over the Florida case, the "power that the individual mandate seeks to harness is simply without prior precedent." Neither judge has issued an actual decision on the merits as of yet, but as George Mason University School of Law's Ilya Somin points out in The Richmond Times-Dispatch, "it is increasingly clear that the plaintiffs have a serious case with a real chance of victory."
One hopes. Somin's short summary of a decision by a judge in Michigan to uphold the mandate suggests what's at stake:
In his decision in the Michigan case, Judge Steeh argued that the mandate is constitutional under the Commerce Clause because deciding not to purchase health insurance is an "economic decision."
"Economic decisions," he reasoned, include decisions not to engage in economic activity. This approach would allow the Commerce Clause to cover virtually any choice of any kind. Any decision to do anything is necessarily a decision not to use the same time and effort to engage in "economic activity."
If I choose to spend an hour sleeping, I necessarily choose not to spend that time working or buying products. Under Judge Steeh's logic, the Commerce Clause authorizes Congress to force workers to get up earlier in the morning so that they would spend more time on the job.
Somin's overview of the challenges so far is worth reading in full.
More on the legal challenges against ObamaCare here, here, and here.
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The Case Against ObamaCare's Individual Mandate
It's unconstitutional.
(There, I saved the readers a bunch of time.)
people SHOULD be forced to buy health insurance. i'm totally okay with this, especially if it financially harms some Christ-fags.
This has to be a spoof, right?
I would think so. Even shriek isn't that dumb. Plus, I don't think he is awake before 4PM, ever.
That's when they get home and let him out of his kennel.
I'm not sure. He is a meth head, so he should be up all the time.
Re: The Gobbler,
No, that IS what passes for logical discourse among many lefties - have you read the comments from lefties at Human Events? The word "Frowsy" does not even begin to describe what or how they write.
The fuck is frowsy, OM?
I don't know about that, Gobbler, but saying "Christ-fags" should pass the test with flying colors.
Here: http://tinyurl.com/3andaz8
Thanks, sarcasmic!
OMG... I'm frowsy and I'm neither a pantry nor a professor
Let Me Google that for You
I love it!
way to ruin the punch line dude
All politics is local, uh, make that "petty".
A government that can require you to buy health insurance can require you to buy a gun.
I bet we'd see a robust defense of limited Commerce Clause powers from the left if that bill were making its way through Congress.
But that one would rest on the militia clause, not commerce.
Wrong.
What he said. The Michigan judge's ruling that the commerce clause gives the Feds power over any "economic decision" - including decisions about what not to purchase - means that the government can regulate away your decision not to spend money on guns.
Actually, he has some jurisprudence on his side. If "not buying grain because I grew it myself" is under the power of the Feds, and "not illegally buying pot because I grew it myself" also counts as federally regulated commerce, then I see no reason why "not buying insurance and paying for my healthcare myself" isn't federally regulated commerce. They are all equally nonsensical readings of a fairly straightforward power of the federal government to regulate commerce among the states. Hopefully they'll decide to abandon this entire heinous reading of the commerce clause and restore some sanity to constitutional jurisprudence. And maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt....
Heck, I'll add to that list "modifying over-the-counter nasal decongestant in the privacy of my own home for my own personal use". Not sure where the Feds get their superpower of jurisdiction over that either....
It's because the act that you do next - i.e., selling the meth that you have cooked up - is engaging in commerce.
As for "my own personal use" - well, we can't be having that either, now can we?
"For your personal use" is still interstate commerce. See Wickard v. Filbrun.
Hell, you can't even distill alcohol for your own personal use.
Well, yeah, you CAN. Just gotta keep it away from Boss Hogg and Roscoe.
Hopefully they'll decide to abandon this entire heinous reading of the commerce clause
Probably too much to hope for, but it does have the advantage of actually being sensible.
Um, and about those monkeys - we have jurisdiction over them
I still get my Free Monkey though, right?
you get what we say you get...get it?
Is my passing gas at home regulated under the commerce clause or would that be controlled by the EPA control for green house gas?
I believe that, at least in the too far distant past, the Swiss government did exactly that.
As did the government of Kennesaw, Georgia.
And a few other towns after a suburb of Chicago banned guns.
I think Israel has required gun ownership, too.
Israel does not have required gun ownership for all citizens. It does have required gun ownership for certain professions. For instance, you must carry a gun while working as a licensed tour guide.
You mean liberals are hypocrites?
No!
The November Kaiser Health Tracking Poll shows that President Obama's health care overhaul has now hit a lower level of popularity than at any previous time in his presidency. Kaiser writes, "Just a quarter of the public (25 percent) now says they expect their own families to be better off under the health reform law, which is the lowest share since KFF [Kaiser Family Foundation] began tracking this question." Kaiser notes that it began tracking the question in February of 2009, just weeks after President Obama's inauguration.
The survey also confirms that "health care voters" were central to the Republicans' overwhelming victory in the midterms. Such voters ? defined by Kaiser as "those who named health care or health care reform as one of the top two factors in deciding their vote for Congress" ? overwhelmingly supported Republican candidates, with nearly six in ten (59 percent) backing the GOP.
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8120-F.pdf
A government that can require you to buy health insurance can require you to buy a subscription to Reader's Digest.
Or a case of Ketchup.
Or a thousand pairs of underpants.
(this is kind of fun! Thanks, R C.)
I could use some new underpants.
Or a number tattoo on your forearm.
hope I get one of low vanity type numbers...
I'm shooting for 5318008
Or 10 copies of the Dear Leader's autobiographies.
Can they force you to buy tickets to Michael Bay movies?
Apparently so.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I have only one redeeming thing to say about Bay: he at least knows how to cast hot chicks in his movies. If he didn't have that, he would possibly be the most evil creature to ever walk the earth, surpassing STEVE SMITH and Cthulu with his vileness.
Who?
This is the correct response.
They can force you to buy an awesome barbeque.
A government that can require you to buy health insurance can require you to buy a share in a failed auto manufacturer.
Hell, they'll do it for you.
The Constitution is pretty much a dead letter when the way a case like this is decided depends on the political views of the judge(s) in question.
The Constitution has been reduced to seven words: "general welfare... regulate.. commerce... necessary and proper"
There. That's it. The entire document.
A short translation of that would be "The federal government can do whatever the fuck it wants, and if you don't like it you can go fuck yourself".
"..you can go fuck yourself if the federal governement authorizes it."
This is a perfect description. Frightening and infuriating, but perfect.
"general welfare... regulate.. commerce... necessary and proper"
FTFY
I attended a lunch about 2 weeks ago at which Ken Cuccinelli, the Virginia A.G., was the guest speaker. The topic was this lawsuit.
I have to say, I was favorably impressed with the guy. The papers paint him as a right-wing fanatic (mostly because of his subpoenaing records from UVA regarding the research records related to a climate-change study done using state funds). But he didn't come across that way.
He was an excellent speaker and he really does have the better argument. I hold out some hope that he will be successful against the federal gubmint.
One of the few truly valuable lessons I learned in law school was that you should never make a legal argument that doesn't have have a good limiting principle.
The problem that ObamaCare supporters have here, the one that I think is going cause them fits, is that their argument for the insurance mandate admits of no limits. And no, just saying "but health insurance is special!" isn't a limiting principle.
If upheld, I intend to petition Congress to mandate that each American buy, own, and keep a monkey servant.
Why would my monkey need another servant?
Who serves the servers?
"....the government filed to have the case dismissed due to lack of standing."
Aren't the proponents of the health care law the ones who need to find some legal standing?
"prior precedent"?
If I'm ever a justice on the Supreme Court, I'm going to cite to future precedent.
This sort of happened with the Texas Supreme Court.
It's just staggering that anyone seriously believes this is Constitutional. Even the goatse-ized state of the Commerce Clause isn't sufficient for Congress to shove through an individual rights violation of this magnitude.
Are you serious? Are you serious?
Forget the constitution. Say that this were technically constitutional -- you would still argue against it, no?
I hate that document for so often serving as a substitute for thought.
Not in the US, of course - maybe the USSR. That judge is right, of course - there's NO precedent in interpreting the interstate commerce clause to mean that the government can regulate ANY economic decision.
The interstate commerce clause does not say the government can regulate "economic decisions," not even by the most liberal of interpretations. That judge is making things up.
"Engaging in commerce" may be AN economic decision, but he clearly equivocates by thinking that the clause means to regulate ALL economic decisions.
He's either being dishonest, disingenuous, ignorant, or stupid.
Yup. And I don't even agree that it's always an "economic decision" in every case.
The Constitution empowers Congress to "regulate commerce among the several states" and to enact all laws "necessary and proper" for carrying into execution that specific power. It does not say Congress can regulate "any activity conducted at the level of the individual which, if taken in the aggregate, can have an affect on interstate commerce." But that is, in effect, what the SCOTUS has said Congress can do, in Wickard v. Fillburn and Gonzales v. Raich.
You seem to be under the impression that the job of judges and government lawyers is to interpret the constitution and apply that interpretation to individual cases.
You've got it backwards.
Their job is to review individual cases, then conjure up a fanciful interpretation of the constitution that justifies that government action.
If it means being dishonest, disingenuous, ignorant or stupid, so be it.
Their job is to justify government power.
Re: Sarcasmic,
Granted - just not be SO obvious about it, it's crass.
I vote for the last 2.
Repeal the individual mandate, then repeal the even more authoritarian requirement that private hospitals provide emergency care.
The requirement to provide care regardless of ability to pay, that is.
BODIES PILING UP IN THE STREETS, WAAAGHGHGHGHG!
(i just drown in the ocean of blood. The Blood Ocean. How many drops...etc)
I think a good route to take that would give those who LIKE a more expanded commerce clause an out, would be to emphasize a discinction between an "economic activity" and "commerce".
Any and every decision may be economic in nnmature. But not every "economic decision" counts as "commerce". "Commerce" explicitly involved the buying and selling of products. An economic decision may affect commerce, but it can't be considered commerce unless money changes hands.
So the commerce clause gives congress the power to regulate transactions that involve money, but not all economic decisions that might in some way impact interstate commerce.
Well, the constitution is a living document. So, we just need to convince a sufficient number of justices that "interstate commerce" literally means commerce between the states, not the people in the territory they govern. So, the federal government could regulate state governments' commercial transactions, and nothing else.
Don't sell yourself short, Judge; you're a tremendous slouch.
So liberals finally discovered the magically hidden part of the Constitution that nullifies everything else in it, like rights and limiting government power and all that crap. Finally, the true intent of the founders will be realized!