Bigger Threat to Democracy: Money or Incumbent Advantage?
Doug Mataconis points out that for all the talk about how money buys elections, of the 10 candidates for Congress who spent the most money on their own campaigns this year, only two were victorious in last week's midterms.
What money does do is help a challenger get his message out to overcome the massive advantages that come with incumbency. If voters don't like the message, money doesn't appear to help a candidate much.
The real threat to democracy is incumbency and the permanent political class. In the month before the election, public approval for Congress was somewhere between 15 and 25 percent. Yet even in an election year rife with "throw the bums out" sentiment, 87 percent of House incumbents who ran for reelection won last week. If Lisa Murkowski wins in Alaska, the figure for the Senate will be 84 percent. Those figures are slightly lower than the historical average.
It's true that approval ratings for the whole of Congress are different from voter affection for a particular congressman or senator. But that's partly the point. With gerrymandering; entitlement programs that create a need for constituent service; campaign regulations that make it increasingly difficult to file and challenge an incumbent, the general celebrity of federal office; and various other advantages, Congress is a much-loathed institution that has nonetheless rigged the game to ensure its members maximum job security and minimal accountability. Money isn't even partly responsible for many of these advantages, save for gerrymandering (which both parties spend money to influence). But money is necessary to overcome them. (Of course, most incumbents also have built-in fundraising advantages, which are also exacerbated by caps on contributions.)
A deep campaign chest is usually a prerequisite to knocking off an incumbent, but it isn't remotely a guarantee. Making it more difficult for challengers to raise money only makes it more difficult for them to overcome the non-monied advantages of incumbency. The more resrictions we put on fundraising, the more difficult it is for voters to hold politcians accountable. Which explains why we keep reelecting the same politicians, in spite of the fact that we pretty consistently tell pollsters how much we hate them.
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Don't worry about gerrymandering - Ted Rall is on it.
I'm always up for some mockery of Ted Rall, but I don't quite get this.
The american people deserve everything they get.
I don't!
Making it more difficult for challengers to raise money only makes it more difficult for them to overcome the non-monied advantages of incumbency.
Why do you think so many called it the McCain-Feingold Incumbent Protection Act?
Why do you think so many called it the McCain-Feingold Incumbent Protection Act?
I did it because the Kocks paid me $100 million to mention it once in the comments section of some obscure blog.
Make that the Kochs.
Wait a minute, I've been getting paid by the Cocks all this time. What's going on here?
You were paid by the Cocks, or in cocks?
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Lucifer's Counsel would like to point out that "self-funded" is not the same as "funded.
How about this - which is a bigger threat to individual rights: money or democracy?
So a 20ish or less approval rating gets 84% or so re-elected.
No one should ever take the Congress approval rating seriously.
But shadowy unnamed corparashuns are killing our democracy!
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?????
The 84% figure for the Senate is deceiving. At least two Senators, Chris Dodd and Arlan Spector retired or were beaten in the primary and would have likely lost in a general election.
""would have likely lost in a general election""
Would have likely doesn't count.
But for the fun of it, lets call it 70%. That's still 7 of 10 winning, which is totally at odds with the 20% or so approval for Congress.
The reality is we don't hate Congress as much as we lead people to believe.
# 3.1 Retiring Democratic incumbents (6 seats)
* 3.1.1 Christopher Dodd of Connecticut
* 3.1.2 Ted Kaufman of Delaware
* 3.1.3 Roland Burris of Illinois
* 3.1.4 Evan Bayh of Indiana
* 3.1.5 Byron Dorgan of North Dakota
* 3.1.6 Carte Goodwin of West Virginia
Other than the guy in Deleware, all of those would have lost. So there is five right there. I don't think any of the retiring Republicans would have lost.
As I count it four of the rest were voted out of office, Feigngold, Spector, Bob Bennett, and Blanche Lincoln. That means nine of the 37 that were up bit the dust. But this was a Republican wave election. Eight of the 19 Democratic Senators that were up for re-election lost or retired. That is almost 50%. It was only an incumbent election if you were a Republican
I think the solution to this is to go back to letting the State Houses select Senators and to increase the size of the House from 571 to at least double of maybe triple that size. If you got rid of direct election of Senators, the Senators would necessarily flip if control of their state house had changed parties. Go back and look and I bet you most state houses have changed hands multiple times over the last 30 years. Outside of a few solid states like Utah or New York, you would never see any Senator stay in office more than a couple of terms.
If you enlarged the House, each member would have less power and less ability to raise money. And since they represent smaller districts, that money advantage would mean less since in a small district it would be easier for under funded challengers to run.
You can only increase the number of representatives if you find a way to tag and track them.
""You can only increase the number of representatives if you find a way to tag and track them.""
But that's only after they've been depopulated from a few good and long hunting seasons.
RFID implants, bitches. You want to be in the game, you get chipped just like my dogs.
I think if this proves anything it's that we need to take another hard long look at term limits. People like Barney and Dodd were knee deep in the government screw-ups that led to the housing bubble bursting, and yet they were the ones allowed to write the "new" financial legislation to supposedly prevent what they allowed to happen.
That's just example #1.
the problem with term limits is what do you do with the stealth candidate who does crazy shit because he knows he can't run for office anyway?
As opposed to the non-stealth candidate who does crazy shit period?
Seriously, my first argument is Barney Frank. He will NEVER EVER EVER EVER lose an election in Massachusetts because he greases every union palm he gets his hands on. There is nothing stealth about his idiocy.
That's kinda my point too, in that the downsides don't really appear to outwiegh the benefits are far as I can tell.
I'm very much in favor of term limits. Wackos are one thing, fee simple in public office seats is something else altogether.
I'd be fine with pure public financing. No private money at all, even their own, on pain of genital electrocution.
Of course, both candidates would only get $250. To split between them.
I think votes should be a commodity. If someone wants to buy my vote, they have to send me a check. Naturally, others can choose to outbid that someone.
Term limits for Federal office are unconstitutional. Have fun amending the constitution. While you are in fantasy land, you might pick up a pony for every little girl and a supermodel for their daddies.
If it's good enough for the president, I don't see why it's not good enough for Congress.
Well, for one thing, you will have to get two thirds of the Senate and two thirds of the House to agree to limiting the amount of time they could remain in Congress. I don't think so.
And if by chance you get that, how long does it take until two thirds of the Senate and two thirds of the House agree to repeal it?
They'd need 3/4 of the states to vote to repeal as well.
The 22nd amendment didn't limit Harry Truuman's terms, despite the fact that it was ratified during his time in office.
The Supreme Court really screwed us on that one.
Can't states install term limits for their own senators and representatives? Not that any state would do that.
Why not just get ride of districts?
There is some clearly unconstitutional federal legislation prohibiting it, but I think if a state wanted its Represtatives elected at large, gerrymandering would obviously be a thing of the past.
""People like Barney and Dodd were knee deep in the government screw-ups that led to the housing bubble bursting, and yet they were the ones allowed to write the "new" financial legislation to supposedly prevent what they allowed to happen.""
Well, unless you get to vote for Franks or Dodds, you opinion doesn't really matter. There is a problem when we think we should have some authority over who other people get to elect.
Well, unless you get to vote for Franks or Dodds, you opinion doesn't really matter.
True. But Dodd and Frank have definitely affected my life. And from what I know after growing up in Boston Barney Frank will simply continue porking up his consituents to guarantee his re-election. I'm open to alternatives to term limits, but considering our incumbency re-election rates are a freaking joke, we need to start considering SOMETHING so that we can kill off some of these career porkers.
""And from what I know after growing up in Boston Barney Frank will simply continue porking up his consituents to guarantee his re-election. ""
That's usually the way to win elections. It has nothing to do with Franks, or Boston. Find me the guy that's willing to cut Norfolk naval base down, and I'll show you a loser in VA.
""I'm open to alternatives to term limits, but considering our incumbency re-election rates are a freaking joke,""
It's a joke to others, not their constituents. They were re-elected because they were liked.
Find me the guy that's willing to cut Norfolk naval base down, and I'll show you a loser in VA.
We'll see what happens with the earmark battle in the GOP, but ideally pork becomes toxic, and therefore not something congress can use to grease their re-elction prospects.
Stop laughing.
Seriously, it's not that funny. OK, maybe it is.
Yeah, that's funny.
The only toxic pork, is other people's pork.
I'm in.
Hey, wait. There are only 435 Representatives.
Long day. Yeah, so if you tripled it you would get 1335. I don't know where I got 517.
I like this idea. There is nothing in the constitution that limits the number of House reps; it's just a law which can be changed at any time. More reps make them more beholden to their constitutients, with more variety in political viewpoints. Third parties would have a higher chance of winning election as well.
Now, there would be additional administration expenses here-each of the new reps would need staff and office space. But I think the imporvement to our democracy would be worth that cost.
I don't see why they still have to work in the D.C. considering all the technology we have at our fingertips right now. It would save a shitload of money if they wokred from home.
John was factoring in the coming gerrymandering. 😉
Or maybe it's from those other seven states I keep hearing about.
You mean the States of Nausea, Anxiety, Depression, Desperation, Rage, Envy, and Frustration?
Those are new states that Obama admitted unilaterally to make up for his gaffe. "See? I'm right."
Aresen has discovered the true United States of America.
Only Canadians really understand us.
But if you enlarged the House, wouldn't that just increase the power of the committee chairs? And the Majority and Minority leaders?
Frankly, I think the whole concept of seniority has no place in Congress. Why should a representative from a district be worth any more than any other representative? Certainly not because his constituents are stupid enough to vote for him twenty times.
Senility does seem to be a plus in politics.
Weird, huh? Maybe we only allow people to assume committee chairs after receiving a blow to the head?
How about everyone gets the right to inscribe the name of the Congressman they hate most on a piece of pottery* every election cycle with the 20 most frequently named being sent into exile?
*I am a traditionalist in some things.
It's shards, not pieces, you newbie. ??????? would be more appropriate.
Shards, schmards. Do you like the idea or not?
Or would you prefer just to set up a guillotine on the Capitol steps?
Not traditional enough. A row of crosses up and down the Mall will suffice.
A few might be in good enough shape to appear in the Amphitheatre.
Now you're talking.
I think Michelle Bachman would be good enough for other uses. If you are going to go all classical on us. Then let's do it right. War trophies baby.
I myself prefer the work of Vlad the impaler. Crucifixion is way too boring. Although there isn't as much space available for advertising as on a cross.
Crucifixion was good enough for the Romans and for Jesus, so I don't see how you can criticize it. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Vlad's work involved relatively quick deaths.
I am looking at the effect it would have on our congresscritters. Most would be okay with the cross cause it was good enuff for jesus. You run a large wooden pole in a man's ass and out his mouth and he lives for a day or two and congress will take notice.
If you're gonna line Pennsylvania Avenue with crucified congresscritters, I'm in.
You just can't beat crucifixion for "sending a message." No more serious slave revolts after they lined the Appian way with Spartacus and his followers.
That is a great idea. If your representative pisses off enough people in the country, too fucking bad if you voted for him. The rest of us get a vote to sometimes. Who would your name be? Mine would be Pelosi or maybe Bwarneeyy Frank. It would be so hard to chose just one.
I do think that the concept of recall for federal office has merit. Not outside of the district, to protect the shards of federalism scattered on the ground, but it would be a great thing. I'd recall the president right now. I'm sure others would have representatives and senators to toss into the recall bucket.
That's sherds you simple simple man.
Shards, bitch.
The biggest threat to democracy isn't money or incumbency. Its the fucking idiot voters. God bless them.
It is my God given right as an amurican to be a complete fucking moron on election day. It's my vote and I will use it however my psychosis sees fit!
No shit.
I say we go back to when the people could only vote for their representive.
Less democracy, more sanity. We're supposed to have a mixed system for a reason.
Can I just say it's ironic Radley is making this point when last week he was lamenting the unelection of Russ Feingold on his twitter feed?
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I'm still convinced the answer lies in "The Lottery". Every year, you pick a number, and then one member of the house is executed on pay-per-view.
Thus solving the problem of incumbency and the deficit in one easy step.
What democracy? You mean the Collectivist Totalitarian Democracy in the US? If so, the biggest threat to that is Anarchy. Anarcho-capitalism or Voluntaryism, to be more specific.
Can I just say it's ironic Radley is making this point when last week he was lamenting the unelection of Russ Feingold on his twitter feed?
"I know this girl who says she's black?I mean it's her whole thing, 'I'm so black, yo'?but she looks exactly like Paris Hilton. I mean exactly like her. I think she's her, really. I mean, she gives out autographs! And she's always all 'I'm so fuckin' black, yo, how could you think I'm her?' about it, but she signs them all, 'Paris Hilton.' It's...ironic?"
This morning (this shit all runs together- don't ask me who said it, or where), somebody was lamenting the sad state of American politics because Christine O'donnell and them thar kkkrazy teafuckers had cost the GOP the services of a fine Senator from the great state of Rhode Island.
Thanks