In Washington, Division Can Be a Plus
The case for divided government
Divided we stand, united we fall. I know, I've got the old adage backward. But when it comes to solving one of the biggest problems looming over the nation—the federal budget deficit—backward could be the best way to go.
We may soon find out. For the past two years, Democrats have controlled Congress as well as the presidency. With that dominance, they were able to pass a giant fiscal stimulus package and a major health insurance overhaul, among other rich items.
The deficit, which was gigantic under President George W. Bush, grew large enough to fill the Grand Canyon. For the foreseeable future, federal outlays are projected to remain at the highest level, as a share of the economy, since World War II.
But if the GOP captures one or both houses, as expected, the dynamic will change. We will be back to a government with power divided between the two parties.
Republicans, of course, have vowed to cut federal expenditures, a promise in accord with popular sentiment. Pollster Scott Rasmussen recently said their political comeback can be traced to one moment in the fight over President Barack Obama's fiscal stimulus plan—"when every Republican (in the House of Representatives) said they would oppose the stimulus package."
Now, by a 2-to-1 margin, he noted, "voters say they prefer a congressman who will reduce overall spending to one who promises to bring a 'fair share' of government to their congressional district."
That doesn't mean a Republican victory will actually lead to lower outlays. In the first place, GOP leaders show curiously little interest in identifying what programs they will slash or eliminate. Even if they can agree on some major cuts, they will have to persuade the president.
Another obstacle is that, during the campaign, both parties have taken the path of least pain. Robert Bixby, executive director of the budget watchdog group The Concord Coalition, told me, "Republicans are asking for a mandate not to raise taxes, and Democrats are asking for a mandate not to cut entitlements."
In fact, everyone has embraced the fantasy of maximum government at minimum cost. Democrats tout tax cuts for all but the rich. Republicans reject the administration's effort to squeeze modest savings out of Medicare.
Both parties pledge to uphold popular government benefits and send the bill to the taxpayers of tomorrow. No one wants to admit that most Americans will have to accept less from federal programs they value—and pay more for what they get.
Still, divided government offers tightwads grounds for hope. The biggest one is historical. William Niskanen of the libertarian Cato Institute, who headed the president's Council of Economic Advisers under Ronald Reagan, notes that over the past 60 years, federal spending has risen least when one party occupied the White House and the other had control of at least one house of Congress.
Why would that be? It can happen because the parties cooperate in attacking the deficit, as Democratic President Bill Clinton and Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich did—producing the now-unimaginable feat of a budget surplus.
Or it can happen because they disagree on giant undertakings, leaving them to wither on the vine. Niskanen says that when one party has all the power, our leaders are more likely to enact a huge new entitlement (like Medicare under Lyndon Johnson and the Medicare prescription drug benefit under George W. Bush) or plunge into an endless war on the other side of the planet (again, Johnson and Bush).
It seems neither party can help itself from going on benders. It needs the other party to lock up the liquor supply.
The framers of the Constitution split power among three branches of government so that each could keep the others from running amok. What James Madison and Co. didn't foresee was the rise of political parties that would often overcome this safeguard.
When one party has all the power, we have learned to our sorrow, Congress checks the president about as effectively as the levees protected New Orleans. It's different when each party has a share. Republicans, bless their hearts, love nothing better than riding herd on Democrats, and vice versa.
After all the angry charges and negative ads in this campaign, Americans may feel, with even more vehemence than usual, that they don't trust either party to exercise power responsibly. The only consolation is that with divided government, they don't have to.
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Chivas and halloween has kept me up this late so please, reason commentators, bear with me in this unusual insanity.
I'm a libertarian minarchist who greatly respects the constituion but views it as a deeply flawed document in need of major reform. I propose the formation of a 4 branched libertarian minarchist governmnet very similar to our own government with the addition of a "money" branch. The other main differences will be an emphasis on incorporating new technologies to encourage transparency to remedy the inherent flaws in the democratic/republican system, ie. politicians will carry headcams to record every action they perform in their official capacities and it will be available online.
Also, police will not exist. The executive will act as more of a military branch. Overseas military bases will be shut down and they will be stationed in country with the goal of preparing to defend america. They will rotate around bases in the country and will fulfill the primary just behavior of police by serving warrants. State detective agencies will likely be formed by local governments to propose warrants to be scrutinized by the justice system.
The "money" branch will posses the power to issue paper money,(likely fiat backed by confidence in the state which will compete with, ideally, gold backed, near 100% reserve currencies issued by private banks) and appropriate funds to support the government. The legislative and executive branches cannot be trusted to deal with money as we have seen.
Was this all nonsense? Should I expound upon it? I've been meaning to write this all out in proper, sober essay form but I find it very hard to write when not under the influence of drugs and rare circumstances.
Also, incorporation will not exist; nor will state, nor the federal government charter any kind of business. It would be a laissez faire economy, ideally.
If only Bill Clinton had had a head cam....
P.S.
Police agencies become corrupt, primarily, because they are entrenched to certain areas and are able to concentrate their power and have no worry of being replaced, fired, or even reprimand. By having warrant enforcement subject to a federal, republican executive wing of which it's leadership is transparent that rotates around the country frequently I hope that this would not occur.
Was that clear?
Replaces "leadership" with "divisions" and I think my point will be more easily understood.
Again, I apologize for my english.
they were able to pass a giant fiscal stimulus package and a major health insurance overhaul
And the mean Republicans kept saying no. No, no, no! Why wouldn't the mean Republicans cooperate with us? The things we could have done!
There were three reasons, for not wanting Mr. Obama as president:
1. He is a far-left liberal (and a mid-level Chicago machine politician at that).
2. His election would give control of the presidency and of both houses of the congress to one party.
3. He had little experience.
Reason 2 all over again.
Why do you define as "leftest(or rightest)?"
The terms have their origin in French parliament but have since been co-opted by socialists and statists such that anything on the line is some form of socialist or corporatist statism. How can any libertarian support a retarded naming system such as that?
"why" = "what"
Why the fuck can't I spell check like a normal human being.
Fucking alcohol, i apologize for my idiocy
Sure, blame me for all your problems.
Things were different, once upon a time, I swear!
Polls for Dems are cracking up the media.We don't know how big the change will be. You are not hearing about the internal polls. You are only seeing publicly released polls. A month ago word slipped out that Democrats were padding their public polls with 5 points more democrats than the current electoral mix. Why? They were afraid that showing how behind they were and that would discourage donations.The Republicans were said to be padding their polls with up to 5 points extra democrats than republicans - they didn't want their party members to get complacent and not show up. Whatever it is, go out and vote.
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Padding their polls with only 5% more Democrats? I had read - forgot where, sorry - that it was more like 15%. But, hey, what's 10% more of a lie among friends, eh?
As somebody once said, "Divide and conker."
Bred and Cirkusis are more important IMO
Britain had a "balance of power" strategy with Continental Europe. We should view DC the same way.
Divided government was great in the 1990s when there wasn't much going on in the world and we had a Democratic President who was shameless enough to do whatever it took to get re-elected. Now is different. Obama and the Democrats did so much damage with the stimulus and Obamacare, a pause in government growth, while welcome, is not good enough. We need to roll that back. And Obama is not Clinton. He is not shameless and he really believes in this shit. As happy as I am to see the Dems lose, I am not optimistic about the future.
There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.
Ugh.. John.
These national issues have been fomenting since even before the ratification of the constituion. Shay's rebellion was fought over the colonial government's inability to contain it's natural predilection to over-issue paper currency.[ Shay's was created by federalist judges who wanted insurrection that even Jefferson would decry was out of ignorance to strengthen the federal government] Anti-fedralists fought this off culminating in Jackson's Bank War(fucking awesome history, the banks tried to destroy the economy to show america that they needed strong banks but they didn't have enough power so jackson prevailed(cliff noted)[read books MFers]))
Lincoln's admin issued laws which allowed for the concentration of corporate(banking&productive;) wealth above and beyond what was possible before that time.
These policies led to increasingly more frequent and worse booms and busts culminating in the bust of 1907; which, was so devastating that the banks realized that a central bank had to be established or the next bust could wipe them all out.
America is facing debt obliglations and competitions from international entities that it has never encountered before in it's history. We need to pursue policies above and beyond limited spending to the bullshit clintons times to ensure our prosperity.
"We need to pursue policies above and beyond limited spending to the bullshit clintons times to ensure our prosperity."
I agree. And divided government isn't even going to get us to Clinton levels. That is why I am not optimistic.
John,
I am a libertarian radical with hawkish leanings. I really respect your opinion, which I've observed for years on this forum; although, i fundamentally disagree with you in a lot of ways. However, I am very curious what policies you would support to dismantle the corporatist welfare state that runs America.
I'm pretty sure I just butchered the english language, yes?
We need a third chamber of Congress with the sole power of repealing legislation and regulation.
Members would run for office not on what they would do, but what they would undo.
Though I'm sure that clever lawyers would find a way to pervert and corrupt that as well.
sarcasmic,
Is morality/ethics objective? Is there a singular libertarian/objective moral/ethical code that we as a society can support that everyone must simply abide or face repercussion?
I don't know.
However, I feel that right and wrong is not subjective. The non-aggression-axion is a good start in determining "the line".
FUCK SLAVE LABOR
I hope you didn't drive to work.
You're still drunk.
The black market beckons and I supply is my philosophy.
Much like our military pilots, in the face of long travel distances requiring the logic satisfaction of geometric translations, stimulants supply the brain with the necessary neurotransmitters to facilitate the process.
I'm still drunk btw. I so desperately want to talk to like minded people though. Especially women. I am a single, healthy, white, male and the only females in my peer group whom I would describe as women(not girls) have children or BFs...
Holy shit, that sounds like nonsense.
Apparently, I'm more drunk than I thought.
"Phantoms like a mothafucka!"
You're gay. That explains the propensity to hang around with women with children. You're probably a pedophile too. I'd suggest drinking more.
Fuck, The post above mine sucked. Forget it. The major problem with the form of government that you propose is that like the republic that the founding father proposed, it requires an informed populace. Sadly, today we are subject to swaths of retards who can barely be trusted to watch water boil much less be trusted to oversee the expansion of a political party.
...fuck
at least Bob Murpy is funny
"never turn you back on an Austrian Krugman"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cFXRFlvE3s
"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed." ? Mark Twain
Sarcasmic,
Thank you for that quote. I love that kind of stuff. I don't recall reading that quote recently.
However, isn't there a way that you could try and be more productive?
The guy who signs my checks is happy.
"I don't recall reading that quote recently." Sam's been dead for some time.
For the first 150 years, this country was nowhere near a democracy. When everyone gets to vote everyone loses.
Those Founding Fathers weren't big fans of democracy.
They knew that democracy led to tyranny and chaos.
Here's a few quotes on the subject.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin
"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Adams
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson
"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death." - James Madison
"Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos." - John Marshall
The obvious solution is libertarian despotism.
The obvious solution is to not let retards like you into the voting booth.
Or maybe you could try having political beliefs that are more popular instead of fantasizing about voter suppression?
I don't judge right and wrong based upon popularity.
Unlike you I have a mind of my own.
And what a mind... "only the right people should be allowed to vote, because I don't ever get my way!" Truly, a singularly nuanced ethical mind.
Tony,
is tyranny of the majority a political state you seek to arrive at, at all costs? If not accomplished through democratic representation do you think it is fair that leftest politicians attain this power through majority rule?
I know you're a troll but appeal to the sheep is wolf's clothing is better than what you're accustomed to.
Tyranny of the majority is indeed his goal, and since he has no principles other than agreeing with the majority, he will always be part of it.
My last post isn't entirely accurate.
Tony will take whatever position he feels will make him popular among his chosen crowd.
Like most progressive liberals he has not matured a day since high school.
Then Tony will spend a lot of time on his knees.
I understand the problem of tyranny of the majority, I just don't see the remedy to it as being tyranny of a minority.
I assume these guys aren't being serious, but talk of suppressing the wrong kind of voter leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think we can all agree that Jim Crow-esque intentions are bad for a society.
But when it comes down to it I don't know of a better alternative to letting people govern themselves.
Tony: The remedy is to not have the power structure in place to allow those who control it to be tyrannical.
It's called limited government.
It's not about putting the right people in power, it's about limited power.
Do you know what limited means?
When morons like you are allowed to vote, you vote to give people increasing amounts of power so they can do special favors for you.
Those favors are not free, and that power is always abused.
That is the problem with democracy, or rather, morons like you are the problem with democracy, because you choose unlimited government.
sarcasmic,
In other words, democracy doesn't give you the government you want, so we should throw it out in favor of a tyranny of the policies you favor? If most people don't want limited government, why should they be forced to accept it?
Tyranny of the policies I favor?
That makes no sense.
I want freedom.
No policy can give freedom.
Freedom means not having to go to some bureaucrat and beg "May I pretty please do this?".
For example no policy can create a right to speak freely. That right exists only when no law prohibits it. Same with the right to bear arms or peacefully assemble. Policy puts restrictions on those rights. I favor following the constitution and eliminating such restrictions.
How does the elimination of policy equate to tyranny of policy I favor?
Freedom means doing whatever the fuck you want as long as you're not causing harm through force or fraud.
If you're saying most people don't want limited government, you're saying most people don't want to be free.
sarcasmic,
"Limited government" does not necessarily equal "freedom." To have a limited government, whatever that entails, is still to have policies. Not having a regulation here is a policy choice, it's not no policy. You want your policies imposed on people against their will and you call it freedom. Most people don't want limited government!
"Not having a regulation here is a policy choice, it's not no policy."
A policy to have no policy is a policy...?
"You want your policies imposed on people against their will and you call it freedom."
A lack of regulation is an imposition, as opposed to heavy regulation...?
I'm sorry but this conversation is over.
You're a fucking moron and that's all there is to it.
Say there's a tree. You have two choices: cut it down or leave it alone. These are both choices that have consequences. You don't get to weasel your way out of making a choice just because you say so. Taxes will be at a certain rate. No matter the rate, it's a policy choice. Pollution will either be regulated or not. Either way is a choice with consequences.
"You want your policies imposed on people against their will" ... and so do you, Tony.
Yes, AoC... Tony is also openly and willingly in favor of a one-world government, and that's his most endearing quality.
Certainly...go with the fucking idiots!
There is no such thing, Tony. Quit making shit up.
Very good.
Tony: The hypothetical about the tree misses the entire point of limited government: we get to decide as individuals what happens to us, within the constraints of a collection of "policies" of like the rule of law, equal application of the law ... so whether the tree is cut down depends on who gets to decide, not on some supposedly objective decision by someone who is not the owner (or an owner) of the tree. You gettin' any of this yet?
I think I get it... you want different policies than I do, but are claiming that your policy choices represent a higher form of righteousness, because you say so.
He's saying he doesn't want your policies forced on him.
His policies would allow you to live according to your own.
You want to give money to unemployed people? Go right ahead.
You want to have an insurance company that pays for preexisting conditions? Go right ahead.
But then his policy choices force me to live in a world with a market-based healthcare system and where the unemployed are left to fend for themselves, which is bad for everyone including me. See it's still a policy choice, and from my perspective a bad one.
They're forcing you to stop using force on them?
They're forcing you to live in a world where you can't aggress against your neighbor?
Ok.
Yes Tony, but the difference is that your preference for state-provided healthcare is also a preference for a functional monopoly that denies choice to the whole population of the US, except protected species like McDonalds employees and Congress. Your preference therefore directly impacts over 300 million Americans, and threatens them with legal penalties if they demur.
Whereas Ike's preference at least maintains the public's ability to choose the level of medical coverage they receive, and if enough people desire a level of coverage that isn't currently available, someone somewhere can step up and offer it.
See, people who don't like the system you'd like, end up with fines or imprisonment.
People who don't like what Ike proposes have to club together with likeminded individuals and cooperate with one or more commercial entities to come up with a mutually beneficial plan that gives both sides most of what they want. Note that this scenario is gun- and arrest- free.
You do see that there's a difference between the two, don't you?
I know we filthy kulaks should be grateful for whatever crumbs you statist lickspittles leave for us, but today's probably a bad day to try and round us up and put us in the freightcars.
Any good knife can cut both ways, but in general we are better served by divided government, which tends to solve concrete problems with incremental, modest actions. Big, bold initiatives when one party is in control are what tend to get us into trouble, and really hard decisions are difficult when one party is not invested, but in a position to take advantage of failure.
I think lots of citizens have a gut feeling that this is so, which is where the oft-expressed public desire for compromise and bipartisanship comes from
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