Village Voice Writer Trapped In White Derangement Feedback Loop
I don't think I ever want to meet Steven Thrasher in person. Aside from the fact that the NPR and Village Voice contributor has an ominously violent last name, this dude is pissed. Despite this, I'll admit that while reading his recent Voice cover essay on the insanity of white America, I occasionally pictured myself giving Mr. Thrasher a hug. Don't worry, Steven, I'd whisper: Christine O'Donnell is down 15 percent in Delaware. The Islamic community center near Ground Zero will soon be a reality. A single tweet from Sarah Palin doesn't signal the end of white American sanity. (In fact, there is no such thing as collective white American sanity, or collective black American or Jewish American sanity, for that matter.) It's alright. Everything is going to be alright.
Sadly, it appears that Thrasher is suffering from the same genus of derangement as many of the people he slams, something no amount of hugging will fix. Sample insanity:
Sarah Palin then rushed to [Dr. Laura] Schlessinger's side, Tweeting in her inimitable style, "Don't retreat . . . reload!" Palin, we can only assume, wanted Schlessinger to utter "nigger" as often as she wanted.
Perhaps the two of them, having both quit their jobs, can get together and put on a road show, opening with "Zip Coon" and finishing with a rousing rendition of "Carry Me Back to Ole Virginny"?
Read the whole thing to experience the full flowering of Thrasher's madness.
Regardless of the validity of Thrasher's conclusion—that whites have literally been driven insane by the realization that they'll soon be a minority in their "own" country—his sneering, hysterical, furious treatment of a potentially important phenomenon lumps Thrasher squarely in the category with the people he criticizes.
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Given his uncontrollable rage, Mr. Thrasher is clearly a card-carrying member of the tea party.
You do realize, don't you, that *all* examples of physical violence in the past 2 or 3 years have been perpetrated by Obamacons and liberals? Not to mention making up lies and story-telling by such as the DC black caucus.
You do realize, don't you, that K.T. was being sarcastic?
Really? I thought that they couldn't raise the money. And if the mosque is not built, does it mean that White America is insane indeed?
They don't have the money or the title to the property. The promoter owns rental property in NJ (I think) that apparently is very badly run.
This imam is a con-man, in the classic NYC mold. He needs both the money and the property, and has neither, so he goes to the money-men and says, "I've got this great parcel, I just need money", and goes to the property owner and says "I've got funding, I just need the parcel."
All while running this cover story about being all about reconciliation, while doing everything he can to foment trouble, that needs to be reconciled, by someone giving him money and property.
Fucking genius, I tell you.
Speaking of derangement...you're quite the detective, RC. Funny how your solution to every mystery supports the Republican viewpoint, isn't it.
That's not very fair. The guy is shit just like most urban developers who want a sweetheart deal from the city government. This guy just has an interesting cover story to go along with it.
Sounds like clever business to me. Where's the con?
Other than fraud?
If It's Built, There's No White Guilt!
was [begin end-tag] Cochran [end-endtag]
As with most vocal critics, he fails to identify the pundit-centric level of outraged discourse for the attention-getting circus it is.
The Village Voice is an apotheosis of whiteness.
So yeah.
Thrash! A-ah!
He'll save every one of us (non-whites)!
I don't think I ever want to meet Steven Thrasher in person.
I feel the same way about Pissarch.
Pissarch is neither an anagram nor a pun. Get back to work, mongoloid.
I know you're Italian, does that really count as not white?
I guess it depends on what type of white person you ask.
It was a royal we for the song. I'm 100% European, so while I tan as a WOP, in the winter I can get pale as an Alsace-Lorraine.
You get a whole royal? I'm only getting a sou! (I'm gonna sue!)
You're an eggplant!
Depends where in Italy you're from. North of Rome = white. South of Rome = not white. Rome = judgement call.
Thank you. I feared I had dipped too far into obscurity.
It took me a minute to get what you were doing there. Epi's reply definitely helped.
That movie nearly killed Queen's career.
Actually, I sorta like that song. Well, just the part that goes "Flash! A-ah!"
Brian Blessed--who I like very much in many of his roles--has got to want to take back that one.
Fuck that, Flash Gordon is a great piece of cinematic cheese. It also had a young Timothy Dalton. And emperor Ming's daughter was hot.
Ornella Muti, yeah.
"Not the bore worms!"
It's a true classic. I will not be convinced otherwise.
I've never actually watched it all the way through. Maybe I should.
Are you fucking serious? It's a full-on camp classic. Truly enjoyable.
Max Von Sydow as Ming, dude!
It really only works if you MST3K it. It has no cinematic value taken straight on.
Bullcrap. As noted above, epic cinematic cheese. It deserves Rocky Horror treatment, not MST3K.
Projection from a collectivist? NEVER.
This reminds me of the white woman workout.
Bet ya a crack rock Ty dates a white bitch. And if he didn't have that smooth Obama white dialect, she'd be fat, and possibly hideous.
That was pretty damn funny.
Eew, that guy does not sound like Obama. Obama sounds like a deeper-voiced Bill Cosby--like he's got something stuck under his tongue.
It must be exhausting for poor Stephen to live with the idea that he has to constantly prove a negative.
You know, if assholes like Limbaugh are good for absolutely nothing else, they drive even bigger assholes like Steven Thrasher absolutely batshit nuts. And it's pretty entertaining to watch someone actually put in writing something that might be relied on by a psychiatrist considering prescribing the author anti-psychotics.
How many assholes we got on this ship?
It's assholes all the way down.
Hey!
It's turtle assholes all the way down.
I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes!
Keep firing, Assholes!
Both Thrasher and Limbaugh are characters played by Fred Savage.
Ahem. When you have Limbaugh's kind of money,it's Mr Sphincter to you.
I'd like to get some of the fried chicken rules more clarified from a member of the UberClass:
Is it OK if I like fried chicken too? Am I allowed to talk about it? Am I allowed to talk about fried chicken if black people are present? Am I allowed to say I like it in front of a black person? If said black person "admits" (like there is something wrong with it) to also liking fried chicken, am I supposed to act surprised? Are we then allowed to bond over the fact, that basically every fucking body likes fried chicken (because it's fucking delicous) except for trans-fat-banning coastal elite assholes?
Just wondering.
Fried chicken is o.k. But don't even think about talking about watermelon or collard greens.
I'm still not clear on grape Nehi.
Don't fuck with grape Nehi.
I'm still not clear on grape Nehi.
Thats called "Purple Drank", beyotch!!
No.
If you aren't a bigot, funny enough, you can discuss this kinda shit, because it's bullshit.
A colleague of mine who is black, I asked her what she called a Brazil nut. She chuckled and said that she grew up calling it a 'nigger toe'. I corrected her and said 'African-American toe'. We both laughed.
Racism is bullshit. Yes, people are bigoted but beware of those who capitalize on that for political gain, or get paid for writing some bullshit column wherin they play Jesus amongst the Pharisees.
Just curious: why would it occur to you to ask her what she called a Brazil nut? Is there an alternate name, like a filbert/hazelnut?
It's a pick-up line. Works every time.
Don't try this with "cashew;" trust me on that one.
Brazilians call them castanhas-do-Par? ("nuts from Par?"). Par? is state in Brazil.
Bolivians call them almendras.
Yes, we all saw that episode of House.
I think they're big on ribs and flavored lemonade too.
I'm big on ribs too.
I'm big on ribs, too, too!!!!
that whites have literally been driven insane by the realization that they'll soon be a minority in their "own" country
Don't worry Steve I talked to the other minorities, they hate you as much as you think the white devil does! Should be pretty much the same for ya.
Ha-ha --that's a great Drew Friedman cover!
When whites are finally a minority, will they be able to get preferential treatment from universities and the government?
let me check with eric holder on this...
NO! And it was a dumb fucking question.
Nope, sorry. Whites will still have hundreds of years of their ancestors' whiteness to pay for.
Collective racial guilt only applies to whitey.
Boy, that's a relief!
I'm apparently so insanely angry that I had no idea I was either insane or angry.
Well now you know. Going forward, you should have more flying spittle when you speak.
Like Chris Matthews? Because he has gone totally bat shit insane recently. But I think the tea parties are the cause of that, not the effect.
He does have white hair though. And his network only has white hosts, from Nordic ruling class princess Mika in the morning, to albino closet case homosexual and open socialist Lawrence at night.
I've had several liberal friends who have discussed having "race shame."
I've never felt a tinge of it. And I'm Scottish.
Yeah...you should feel shame for a myriad of other legitimate reasons!
Careful, lad.
At least he's not Irish.
Irish, Scottish, what's the difference?
Exactly. Irish, Scottish, who cares? They're all English anyway. 😉
One is drunk slightly more often than the other. I forget which, though.
One will thrash you, the other will thrash you till your balls fall off.
Bushy eyebrows. And their thingies point opposite directions.
Irish fight within each clan, Scottish fight between each clan.
Irish, Scottish, what's the difference?
Genetically, very little. Both populations were expelled into each other's lands so often, they are no distinct.
Practical difference? Ireland has way more over-praised poets and the Scots deep-fry more things than you can possibly imagine.
Their ability to fry anything is insane. I believe they sell fried water over there.
They deep fry beer in Texas.
If you take an equal amount of both you end up with a hillbilly.
I've had several liberal friends who have discussed having "race shame."
I would be ashamed to have a similar amount of melanin in my epidermis as them, if that actually had anything to do with anything.
But everyone knows that white people are the only race who have commectively committed serious racial crimes against other racial groups. Such as inventing the concept of race in the first place. The white race is guilty of inventing racism, thus victimizing all the other races!
Yeah, like the tribes in Africa didn't already know what ethnic cleansing was. I just taught them how to be more efficient at it!
'Course they learned from me because I was using them as target practice but learning by example is the best way!
'Race Shame'???????
You've got to be fucking kidding.
Well, maybe they can compensate by eating lots and lots of carrots, or becoming members of other privileged minorities: Sex operations, or switch hitting. Even putting on bras and panties might be sufficient therapy.
Of course if your friends are already female, or something similar, then solutions are harder to find, but the fertile imaginations here at H&R will surely have some suggestions.
I should have mentioned learning a foreign language, Spanish, for instance, and moving to Colombia. That has really helped me reduce my race shame.
The Islamic community center near Ground Zero will soon be a reality.
Update: Most of the folks demonstrating at the Islamic Center at Ground Zero are gone now. I'll still be holding a sign there on random days in October, because I have to be in the nearby courthouse anyway that month. The supporters are getting back to their regular lives, but we're all on an email list so that we can spring into action if opponents of the construction show up. We expect things to be quiet until next summer.
The supporters are getting back to their regular lives, but we're all on an email list so that we can spring into action if opponents of the construction show up. We expect things to be quiet until next summer.
Maybe white boys really are crazy.
WTF? Is it the 2nd week of November already?
"Crazy" is the new "fag". Google "Mad Pride".
Read the whole thing to experience the full flowering of Thrasher's madness.
No thanks; I'd rather not pollute my mind with that jackassery. My mind is polluted enough from hanging out in these comment threads here.
I admit, to my shame, that I read some of it. It's five pages long. I made it through two and a half pages, thinking it would eventually come to some sort of point, but it was two and a half pages of meandering, disjointed, meaningless, contrived bullshit.
The only interesting thing about it is that this poor bastard can spew five pages of hateful, ridiculous bullshit. I feel sad for him.
You made it through two pages? I tried reading this earlier today and it sounded like that annoying liberal hipster doofus at the coffee shop whose had one too many triple soy lattes in the last five minutes.
I couldn't get past the first page.
The comments were fun though.
I tried to RTFA & got through two pages but it was too boring. My energy just gave out.
FTFY
Don't worry white people, this brown person is here to give you hugs.
You better watch it before I call the cops you you you
Are you a male or female brown person and are you single?
Re you brown all over or just on one end?
Someone needs to tell STEVENTHRASHER that once you wear a button-up shirt with a sweater over top that you are irrevocably white.
Sorry, STEVENTHRASHER, no take backs. You wore the sweater/dress shirt thingy and appeared on NPR. You are hereby diagnosed terminally caucasian.
May god have mercy on your batshit crazy soul.
Don't worry there's help.
Ron Paul will be resurecting his newsletter.
The one you ghostwrote?
I don't think he'll be erecting anything anytime soon. he's just too old.
Max just can't give up on his jihad against Ron Paul... or live up to his promise to never return to this website.
Call me crazy but that was top notch reporting
that's just because you are a wetback chicano.
Have you ever noticed? White demagogues be all like, "Doopadoopadoop. I don't hate you because we have radically divergent opinions on how to govern our country. I hate you because you're BLACK. Also I over-pronounce my consonants"
But black demagogues be all like, "Aww sheeeit. I only label your grass roots movement racist because it advocates lower taxes, and not because I've heard self-proclaimed members saying unambiguously racist things. A-hip-hop-a-hippy to the hip-hip-hop."
Charlie Rangel said it best.
At least Charlie knows, and admits, where tax dollars are going.
Charlie Rangel? What taxes?
Well not *his* taxex mind you, just other peoples' taxes.
Is it still legal to make crush video with NPR personalities and Village Voice authors?
I'm jusr sayin'.
By feedback loop, I thought your referring to echo chamber effects, which is definitely a huge factor shaping liberal perceptions of whites, in particularly the tea parties.
Basically, their only experience of Tea Partiers is via the reporting of other like-minded folks. Such as when the NYTimes cites it's own articles on the Tea Party in support of other analysis of the Tea Party.
At some point, these feedback loops result in people becoming completely disconnected from reality. As in the case of Thrasher.
I'll grant that both sides are pretty unhinged, though, and I would include Sarah Pailin and he cohort in the list of "people who listen to themselves so much that they exist on a separate plane of reality".
You're assuming Sarah even cares what crap comes spewing out of her mouth as long as someone is paying attention.
Sort of like Reason with stories on public employees. Cavanag will link to Suderman who links to Sullum who links to a Reason Foundation rag-study.
But there's so much orange text in their posts that it looks all well-researched and stuff.
Max? Edwin?
[citation needed]
Go back to trying to fuck your fat wife, Dan T.
Hint: Her clitoris is that thing that's bigger than your penis and right above the stinky, greasy place.
Ah, anatomy lessons.
So how do you keep a negra out your backyard?
Hang one in the front yard
Excuse me?
There seems to be a major disconnect between the Village Voice definition of white and the "stuff white people like" definition of white. It's very confusing.
Really? Always seemed to me like Village Voice was tailor-made for the SWPL-types.
I think the Villiage Voice is actually LISTED as Stuff White People Like.
This mic is pale enough to glow in the dark and I wouldn't like the Village Voice even if it was handing out free 32 year old whiskey with Japanese school girl blow jobs!
How would Steve Smith react to the Emerald Isle Proposal?
By the way... I'd stand in line for that.
One of the funny things about Leftovers is that whether they are black of white, they live in lily white neighborhoods 95% of the time, and in gentrifying neighborhoods from which black people are being displaced the other 5%. See my list of MSNBC, WaPo, DNC etc flaks: http://teapartiers.blogspot.co.....eople.html
Anthony Podesta
0.53% African American
2438 Belmont Road NW
Washington DC 20008
I didn't even know it was possible to find a >99% non-black ZIP code in DC.
Thrasher has a point, though. I would totally be on board with the socialist nanny state agenda if it were only put forward by white people.
Exactly! Remember when Clinton wanted to socialize health care, and Limbaugh was all about deferring to our president and politely building a coalition to come to a liberal compromise?
No, I don't remember that.
I was totally behind it then, because Clinton was white.
I was down with the PATRIOT Act, and warrantless wiretaps when we had a white administration doing it. But now that it's Obama, I can't stomach it. Thrasher made me realize it's only because Obama is black.
I'm so ashamed.
But Clinton was the First Black President, remember?
The campus newspaper here had an "editorial" about BeckStock a few weeks ago, and it seriously read like a creative writing story a fourth-grader would piece together while eating breakfast the day it was due. A bunch of names you've heard of, patched together in an incoherent story doing exaggerated silly things. Glen Beck forcing everyone to worship him, Sarah Palin stomping on a black baby, etc. No comments or expressed opinions about what happened or what was said, however clear it was that the author(s) didn't like it, just a fantasy rendition of events.
And I thought, well, this is the future of journalism? But I was wrong. It's the present.
You don't seriously think a REAL journalist would be caught dead at a Tea Party or Glenn Beck event, even to report on it, do you?
What would the other journalists THINK?
White America Has Lost Its Mind!
We knew that would get your attention!
Don't worry, just to prove that we progressives are capable of introspection in spite of there being very little evidence of that, our next headliner will be:
Does The Left Know What It Is Doing?
How is that?
I am melanin challanged and I don't know where I am supposed to stand on this whole white minority issue. But I do know that if I could have my `druthers, it would be to party with Snoop Dog in Vegas while smoking some of his dank weed, with a case of chilled Corona, and get some extra crispy KFC at some point during the party.
You're only in the minority if you consider hispanics non-white.
Happily, I don't really give a shit.
I wondere what the country will be like when the majority of the population consider themselves victimized minorities though.
I wondere what the country will be like when the majority of the population consider themselves victimized minorities though.
I expect you'll give more of a shit when you find out the hard way.
You don't need to wonder. Have you ever heard of Lebanon?
I wondere what the country will be like when the majority of the population consider themselves victimized minorities though.
Isn't that the current state of the country? When the "number one cable news network" is not part of the "main stream media" and Christians are oppressed and affirmative action somehow makes it tough for white males to get a job and...and...and...
Wake me up when any of that translates to government policy.
I'd like to see some serious discussion on this instead of hysterical dismissal. Is it or is it not a problem for White people that they will be a minority ethnic group in the country that their ancestors largely built?
I know I know RACIST RACIST NEO NAZI blah blah. If anyone would like to have a serious web-zine discussion about this, it would be interesting
OK, but first we should get around to the long overdue disucssion about Anglo Saxon protestants being a minorty group.
We've been completely fucking overrun by the Italians and the Irish, here. And I'm hopping mad about it. Bloody Hell, damn those papists.
As we say back in the Old Country:
Fuck 'a you allz!
(sticks bomb under nearest Protestant car and runs back to Little Italy)
Whites are over 70% of the population now.
I don't know how much higher that number would go if whites with spanish surnames were added back in, or all the semitic peoples(who are white) or the people from the area of India, who are also 'white'.
I suspect, if something like that was done, it would be common practice to laugh in the face of anyone who suggested that 'whites' would be a minority in the US at any time in the future.
Lest I be thought deranged--given my insistence that some folks with skins that are of a more brown hue be called 'white', consider that 'white' used to refer to a group that did not include Irish, Italian, Polish, Slavic, Greek, Scot...
Caucasians are a massive group. 'Minority' is a term that may never be applicable.
I think it is a problem for some people, your Pat Buchanans for instance. But the issue is here is that you have a lot of Americans pissed off about the increasing size, spending, power, and reach of the federal government. That's the fact. As usual, rather than acknowledge the facts of the matter, the left wants to lie and make up this story about how the "real" reason people are upset is that they're a bunch of racist who feel sorry for themselves because thy're about to become a minority. This is total bullshit. They just keep circulating that story around hoping it sticks or that some white guilt is going to kick in and everyone will re-elect Obama in 2012. They know that if they keep repeating their lies over and over than at some point the lies become "common knowledge" in the MSM and in pop culture (SNL, Stewart, actors, musicians, etc), which in turn becomes "common knowledge" to people who get their political views from those sources. It's another stereotype they get to label people who disagree with them with. Common tactic of the left. What's mind boggling is the fact that most people are to stupid to see the manipulation. They just accept their new "opinions" without question.
What's mind boggling is the fact that most people are to stupid to see the manipulation. They just accept their new "opinions" without question.
The problem is we're trained to treat journalists as authority figures. People accept the word of authority figures more readily. But journalists have no real expertise or authority in the fields they report on.
IMO, most journalists get into the profession because they have an activist agenda anyway. The whole point is to assume the mantle of a neutral reporter into order to persuade people to your point of view.
Anyone who thinks that journalists are pure professionals who only desire to report the truth is laughably naive.
That's like saying that people who become cops just want to enforce the law for the betterment of society.
Only difference is, journalists get to TELL US how unbiased they are. It's like "I know that the anchorman is fair and balanced. The TV told me so."
IMO, most journalists get into the profession because they have an activist agenda anyway. The whole point is to assume the mantle of a neutral reporter into order to persuade people to your point of view.
Nah. I used to be a reporter and deal with reporters every day in my current gig. Most people I know who became reporters did so because they loved the mechanics of the job -- finding the story and writing it down -- rather than its ability to advance the People's Agenda or something.
Remember, most reporters cover everyday crap and are not doing anything to which Politico or Huffington Post will link. It's school board meetings, local real estate developments, last night's house fire and the heartwarming story of the water-skiing squirrel. I was covering state government, and the closest I got to advancing the libertarian agenda was doing a story on third-party health care reform proposals during an election cycle in which I did a gazillion horse-race Red Team vs. Blue Team stories.
There's certainly a subset of activist journalists (See: Taibbi, Matt) but they tend to end up at, say, the Voice or Mother Jones or Current Affairs or National Review, etc. where you know what you're getting.
If you're trying to understand the media, don't follow the money. Follow the path of least resistance. The story that gets written is almost always the easiest one -- the source that requires the least research and calls you back first, the research that shows up first in a Google search, the minimum number of viewpoints to make your editor happy. Most reporters are perfectly happy getting the story 90% right in one hour instead of 99% right in five hours -- and if they're not, their editors certainly are.
Plus, every sports reporter hates their job. Just sayin'.
"White people that they will be a minority ethnic group"
Others have mentioned this, but since when did "white people" become an ethnic group?
Fundamentally the people who really matter to me (family and friends) will always be a severe minority in a country of 300 million, and everyone else will remain a secondary concern regardless of their skin color or ethnicity.
Isn't reading the Village Voice at this point like using a condom from of a museum?
Sorry, it's the sinus headache.
The Village Voice still exists?
Mark Morford and others have been writing crazy shit like this for years. What the hell are you doing reading any of it?
Although the irony of this coming from the Voice, a magazine whose level of quality famously plunged when they purged all the old white guys and replaced them with unreadable black lesbians (I exaggerate only slightly), is pretty high.
All white people are racist.
Exactly!
No white people are racist.
But most black people are.
How about "some of each race is racist"?
Okay, grammarwise that sucked, but you get the gist, I take it...
No, all of you are racists! I am not, because I don't have power, and only powerful people can be racists! The racists at the NAACP told me so!
All white non-Democrat people are racist.
I enjoyed the article. The only real flaw in it is that it seems to make the case that all white people have gone nuts rather than the more precise and true case that a large number of white people have gone nuts. That much is obvious. I have friends and relatives who have gone from being mildly conservative to being bat-shit crazy since Obama took office....
In other words, when it comes to some white people, the article rings true.
Is it possible they might be angry because a group of incompetent Stalinists took power, rather than because their figurehead is a mulatto?
I don't buy it. The right-of-center would have treated President Rodham with the same amount of respect she deserves... which is none whatsoever.
Not that McCain would have been deserving, mind you.
If you buy into the lefty proposition that race is everything, you'd probably interpret things this way. Most 'conservatives' I know are wonderfully color blind. A person's character is more important that the kind of shoes they wear.
I had something to do with that!
The cover montage was illustrated by the busy Drew Friedman, who would rather paint The Three Stooges or Screamin' Jay Hawins.
Make that HAWKINS. Mea culpa.
Of course I'm insane! JUST CHECK OUT THESE CRAZY LOW PRICES!!!
Sorry Mr. Rosen,as a sixty 61 year old african american male thats served with the U.S. Air Force 1968-72, a year in Viet Nam 69-70 and spent 27yrs with the Chicago Police Dept. retiring in 2000. The last ten years being spent with personal and entreprenuerial endeavors. Offering my background,I thought I could add another experience and outlook. It's been an interesting ride and I have a nice life, however, I'd have to say that as far as I'm concerned Mr. Thrasher is 100% correct. During the campaign I would constantly tell family and friends"If this man gets elected;you're going to see alot of white folks have exorcisms". Meaning, a very distasteful display, and a
segment, not all showing who they really are.
Good for Mr Thrasher for having the platform and saying what needs to be said. Stop peeing on our heads and telling us it's raining.
Michael Morgan
Chicago,Ill