Remembering The Mann Act or, How Prostitution Killed The Constitution
Over at Big Government, Paul Moreno reminds us of the baleful effect of The Mann Act, which turns a century young today this year and helped push along the massive expansion of the federal government via an unrestrained reading of the commerce clause:
The Mann Act was the real beginning of the Bureau of Investigation (later, the F.B.I.), which then used Prohibition to extend its power. The bureau secured five thousand Mann Act convictions in the 1920s. Bureau chief J. Edgar Hoover personally led mass raids, and acquired information that compromised public officials. The act (like the income tax laws) was used to get gangsters who could not otherwise be convicted, and often targeted blacks who traveled with white women (most notably black heavyweight champion Jack Johnson), political dissidents, and other unpopular minorities.
The Mann Act showed how far the federal police power had been extended. Federal power "to regulate commerce among the states" had been extended to moral regulation, and might therefore be extended to any other kind of regulation. This went beyond the attempt to prohibit interstate shipment of things, as Attorney General Philander Knox put it, "noxious or dangerous in themselves," which had heretofore been widely regarded as the limit of the police-power extension of the commerce power. In the Mann Act, there were neither things nor commercial activity involved. Chief Justice John Marshall provided a famous definition of what "commerce among the states" meant in 1824. Commerce, he said, "undoubtedly, is traffic, but it is something more: it is intercourse." Only the most extravagant extension of this definition of commerce could reach cases…of consensual if illicit trysts. After the New Deal swept away the last vestiges of constitutional limitations on Congress' powers, later legislators would not even bother to give pretexts to their attempts to regulate gun possession, domestic violence and, now, health care.
Note: The Mann Act was revised in 1986 to apply only when some sort of criminalized sexual activity is involved, but is still in force.
And watch this Reason.tv video about the commerce clause and its discontents:
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Jesus, that white dude is tiny. He should not have insulted the gigantic black dude's fat, ugly momma.
I'm just glad my fat, ugly mama isn't alive to see this day.
Enough about your promiscuous mother, Hermes!
God rest her zombie bones!
I'm guessing that's a photo of Jack Johnson, though I don't know who the white fighter is.
I'd say it took a lot of willing suspension of disbelief for most fighters to step in the ring to try and beat Jack Johnson.
The white dude only looks tiny at the end of the big man's fist. Looks to me like if he straightened his knees and back he's almost be as tall as the big man.
Philander Knox prosecuted... philandering?
LOL
Link to the Moreno article
Which I see has now been fixed. That's what I get for helping.
Spitzer looks an awful lot like Bill Cowher in that picture, doesn't he?
Is the flag on fire behind him?
Spitzer gave the flag gonorrhea as well.
Moreno is Latino for n*gger, you racist.
Since when?
I rememeber that back in high school in New Jersey in the 1970s, the health teachers were telling us that we would be violating the Mann Act if we took our girlfriends to NYC and made out with them.
Which, when you think about it, is no more preposterous than prosecuting teenage girls for "child pornography" for texting pictures of themselves...
I had no idea that the Mann act was that atrocious. The fact that a prosecutor with a vendetta would bend a law to his purpose is one thing, but the idea that the Supreme Court would repeatedly uphold this odious law and back the reaching prosecutors is truly remarkable. The founders were correct to worry about limiting power in the hands of the government. Too bad "checks and balances" don't act as a check on power grabs that "everyone" agrees with.
The Mann Act was revised in 1986 to apply only when some sort of criminalized sexual activity is involved, but is still in force.
1986? I broke this law at least 20 times. Statute of limitations, bitches!
Please incriminate yourself by describing what sort of criminalized activity.
Does "for sexual purposes" apply if I just jacked off into her hair?
Self love doesn't count, pussy. Didn't she take a more active part?
She tried, but I had her arms pinned.
That's better. At least I can have some respect for you now.
As to the video...who is that jerk professor who compares the insurance-purchase mandate of Obamacare to mandatory auto insurance for commerce clause purposes? What federal law mandates auto insurance?
America has a lot to thank J. Edgar for.
I've been rereading a lot of Mencken lately, he was a great opponent of the Mann Act. I really like this quote from Prejudices about if George Washington were alive today, "He would be used to scare children in Kansas and Arkansas. The chautauquas would shiver whenever his name was mentioned....
And what a chance there would be for that ambitious young district attorney who thought to shadow him on his peregrinations?and grab him under the Mann Act!"
Good think for good ole J. Edgar cross dressing was still A-OK!
The bill's sponsor, Illinois Republican James R. Mann, claimed that the white-slave traffic, "while not so extensive, is much more horrible than any black-slave traffic ever was."
Awesome. I hope someone spray-painted that on his fucking grave.
The 24-hour news channels seem to agree with him. But regardless, a mixed race couple should go fuck on his grave. I'd do it, but I won't touch Irish chicks.
Submit to Yellow Fever. I command thee...
Ginger fever!
Firecrotch .... FTW
Desecration of graves is really a lost art.
Wait a minute - I thought the health care legislation was being done under the taxing power? Which is it? Oh, it's just so confusing! But I'm sure that one way or another, Congress surely has the power to do it?! I mean, are you serious?
The taxing clause and the commerce clause together form penumbras, that emit emanations, that give Congress the power to do whatever it wants to do.
Is the litigation over Mann (as discussed in the article) the earliest example of balancing tests of Constitutionality? You know, where the absolute requirements of the US Constitution are turned into desiderata, to be balanced against the seriousness or at least heinousness of ills to be remedied?
Say, you mugs, have you seen any ghost sheep around here?
I ask because, when I, J. Edgar Hoover, was alive I fucked sheep while dressed as a lady.
Now that I am dead, I, J. Edgar Hoover's Ghost can only fuck ghost sheep. Though I'm still lady-dressed.
Unless you're connected, like me.
It is amazing how so many expansions of government power can be traced back to the desire to keep the Negros in line and away from white women. Liberals say America is irredeemably racist. But then they forget the racist history of their own movement.
You know what else Liberals say? That all of the shit they do is for the children. All the while as they bankrupt them and steal their Liberty.
Once you go black you never go back, so you can see why they'd be worried.
The Mann Act was named for its sponsor a GOP Congressman. It was passed by a Senate and House dominated by the GOP and signed into law by a conservative GOP President.
But nice try John!
Just because he was GOP doesn't mean he wasn't a progressive. You may recall that they have at times been the more progressive party.
I know the right is into Beckian revisionism, but it's going to be a bit hard to spin Taft into a Progressive...
Lots of Progressives of the early 20th Century were Republicans. There was one Republican progressive named Teddy Roosevelt. He was kind of a big deal. You might have heard of him.
So the parties back then are not equatable with the parties now? I'm glad we all realized that so we can stop with the silly "OMG Wilson/Byrd?Bull Connor, they were DEMOCRATS!"
Not only are the Democratic and Republican party ever-evolving entities, and thus it is nutty to try to connect those with that designation across decades (or centuries), but the same can be said of "progressive." The word progressive has long been sought out by a variety of political actors and movements as to many it has a "good sound" to it. Trying to lump them all together gets you with T.R. and Henry Wallace in the same category, truly a bizarre typology...
But when you learn your history from the Conservative Book of the Month Club, you're going to miss a few things...
Prostitution didn't kill the constitution, congress did.
Oh, so it was prostitutes, not prostitution.
That's insulting to prostitutes. They offer a service for compensation without stealing from a third party.
I read somewhere years ago that J. Edgar Hoover had actually resisted pressure from several presidents to make the FBI into a National Police Force. All the while, of course he was expanding its actual police powers while claiming that the FBI was strictly and investigative agency.
Interestingly enough, he was also one of the few public figures who opposed the internment of Japanese-Americans, claiming that the FBI had all the resources it needed to catch any subversives.
Beyond that it's pretty hard to find anything that doesn't damn the man.
Though while Hoover was almost certainly gay, the stories of his cross-dressing seem most likely to be fabrications by his enemies. Time was the left had absolutely no trouble with gaybashing.
time was? They still have no problem with gay bashing if the gay person is on the other side.
Observe any of MNG's attempts to insult you.
Back during the Army-McCarthy hearings, the left certainly didn't let the opportunity to gay-bash Roy Cohn go by. Though if anyone deserved to be bashed any way available, it was probably Cohn.
You just got pwnd for hotlinking, Nick. You should be glad you didn't get goatse'd.
Now it's back. Never mind. Nothing to see here, move along.
Free Chuck Berry...
A few weeks ago, I passed a blood drive. I asked the staff there why they refused to take donations from actively homosexual and bisexual men. The lady replied that they want to and that they even held demonstrations to change the ban on those donations, but the feds still make it illegal for them to accept blood from men who have had sex with other men. The Dems have held both chambers and the white house for 2 years now. Overturning this ban isn't even on their agenda. The next time I hear a Liberal complain about a clergy member preaching about divine punishment for gays, I'll remind him that the Obama administration's official stance says that all gay blood is tainted.
Actually, the gay blood is only tainted if the donor has had sex with another man since 1977. A few years ago, my wife and I were donating at a blood drive being held in our church's social hall. In order to be sure she was answering the pre-donation questionnaire correctly, she shouted to me across the hall, "Have you had sex with another man since 1977?" To which I shouted back, "Not since 1977, sweetie." So she (and I) were eligible to donate.
True. I've been bi ever since puberty, but I didn't spend a night with a man until I was middle age. I used to donate often at the local blood center. Then one day, I had to answer "yes" to the question about having sex with a man. The screener said they could not take my blood. Then she asked, "Wait a second. You've donated before. This doesn't make sense." I had to explain, "Well, a couple of weekends ago ..."
Anyway, that's why I said actively homosexual and bisexual men. Maybe there's a better term for it. What do you can a gay man who has sex with other men, as opposed to a gay man who just likes gay porn and dates other men, but doesn't go all the way.
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