Malthusian Hostage Taking Addendum
Matt Welch is on top of the Malthusian terror attack on the Discovery Channel. I did want to highlight that the instigator's first demand cites the terrible Daniel Quinn novel Ishmael as a source of inspiration:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!
As background, readers may want to look at my review of Ishmael, here. Hint: The title of the review is "Malthusian Twaddle."
In the meantime, let's hope no one gets hurt.
UPDATE: Hostages safe and unhurt, gunman shot by police, condition unknown. UPDATE 2: Gunman killed, police trying to find/defuse all undetonated explosive devices.
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Now now, he may not be a nutjob. He may have just gotten stuck in a plane seat near a whiny, snivelling child, hence his obsession with "filthy human children".
WTF?! STUPIDITY!
This is the new "all your _____ are belong to us."
So he wasn't a disgruntled dwarf after all? That's disappointing.
"filthy human children"
us filthy human adults feel left out. (does he mean physically filthy, or filthy in mind? Because I shower monthy whether I need it or not, but view "storm squirters" daily.
There's no way this is real.
This guy has to be the greatest performance artist of all time.
This guy is the Andy Kaufman of hostage takers.
If only. Andy would have done it at AMC and been angry about Mad Men because it "made him think of his father".
No. Andy would be taking over Spike and demanding the inclusion of COED wrestling on Monday Night Raw.
I belive you are correct.
He's one dedicated performance artist, since he's performing his way into a gaggle of violent felony charges.
I am hoping a sniper bullet switches out his light myself.
It's pretty clear this guy is probably just in need of a lengthy stay at the local nut depository.
He is in the act of putting other poeple in mortal danger.
He needs to be put down.
But if we kill him, aren't we helping to further his goals?
Not if we preserve his sperm and put it in a fertility clinic.
But if we kill him, aren't we helping to further his goals?
He did not need to endanger poeple to reach that goal. He had a gun he could have fulfilled that goal in the comfort of his own home.
If it becomes a choice between killing him and letting a hostage die, sure, pop the hostage taker. But clipping a crazy guy should be avoided unless really necessary.
If it becomes a choice between killing him and letting a hostage die, sure, pop the hostage taker.
He took hostages. The choice was already made when he did that. It is always safer to pop a crazy guy with hostages then to try anything else.
A dead man cannot kill hostages.
He died for art.
gunman shot by police,
what about the dog? Can Balko still writ about this one without a dog shooting?
He certainly sounds like Sanger...
... Margaret, that is.
Not the boat manufacturer?
There's a boat manufacturer named Margaret Sanger?
Don't buy one. The boats are built to automatically sink and drown everyone on board.
But only "undesireable" boaters. Maggie's neighbors would naturally be exempt.
Made in Dublin?
I used to know an ultra-liberal Catholic priest who would respond to pretty much any story of St Francis of Assisi with the remark, "Luckily we have medication for people like that these days."
The same is true of the progressive saints like Maggie Eugenics, it seems.
MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!
I was thinking the same thing as I tossed my half full styrofoam coffee cup out my car window.
MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH
Interestingly, this is also the directive given by almost every network executive producer to their creative teams. Mr. Lee has a future in television.
"Mr. Lee has a future"
nope.
Considering where most entertainment execs seem to originate, it's still an open question.
Being worm food is a future. At least he is more productive now.
"My function is to probe for biological infestations, to destroy that which is not perfect."
"The creation of perfection is no error."
Oh, I sure hope he's not doing this because he took a Star Trek episode too seriously.
"Make it out to Melllvar. That's Melllvar with three L's."
I've done enough of these to know how to spell Melllvar....
"How can anyone do a spoken word version of a rap song?"
"WELSHIE!"
Can people who hate Star Trek leave?
No, you have to stay even longer.
STERILIZE!!!!
This sounds too quirky even for die-in-the-wool, Chad-like eleutherophobes. I think this guy is instead spoofing real environmentalists, just to make their real kookiness just that more obvious.
"die in the wool"?
What is that, for all intensive porpoises?
Ok, ok, syntax police: dyed-in-the-wool.
I'm at work making hit-and-run postings here before the boss comes. Cut me some slack, Jack!
He's just towing the grammatical lion.
"my review of Ishmael, here"
My sister gave me a copy of that book back in about 1994, just after completing her undergrad in women's studies. Thank goodness she transitioned out of that phase.
being your sister?
Yes. She legally separated herself from the family. We took it very hard, but we're all libertarian, so we respect her decision.
I wish this guy would have made a carbon tax and trade scheme one of his demands...also would have been cool if he mentioned his support for Al Gore and the IPCC
cool if he mentioned his support for Al Gore and the IPCC
He did:
Lee said he experienced an ''awakening" when he watched former Vice President Al Gore's environmental documentary ''An Inconvenient Truth."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38.....nd_courts/
I want Al Gore to have to explain the violence he has wrought. Imagine if this guy claimed that he was inspired by Glenn Beck. Rachel Maddow would be outside Beck's house right now demanding comment.
Now that's an inconvenient truth.
+10
yay!
Send the body to Al Gore.
Hey, anybody that cites My Ishmael is A-Ok in my book . . . on Wacked-Up Nutjobs & Irrational Savages.
I see this thread is not short of posts, but was compelled to add that I had a friend give me this book about 10 years ago. She asked me a week or two later what i thought, and my response was involuntary laughter. Our relationship has not been the same since.
I didn't think there was any way you could screw up a book about a telepathic ape, but apparently I was dreadfully wrong.
Let me guess - no knife fight?
Telepathic? Big deal...
A telekinetic ape on the other hand... no matter where you run, the poop will find you!
Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!
Someone call him and tell him that James Cameron already made Avatar.
Gold.
Then he'd just bitch about the overpopulation of blue monkey people.
....and I say that being a huge Avatar fan.
I hope the building has been effectively evacuated. I know some people at Discovery, just to personalize the insane affair.
I have a friend who works for the NG channel. I hope she is not in that building.
John, I'm acorss the street from National Geographic. It's not near Silver Spring. However, it is near where the Israeli delegation is staying, and the neighborhood is crawling wiht secret service and DC metro cops.
I'm sure the Mossad is there too--but they're the guys you don't see.
Thanks. And the Mossad would have popped this guy before he got off the Metro.
The Mossad would have popped this guy while he was putting his socks on this morning, and made it look like the Bulgarian Mafia made the hit.
They're the ones waiting for the angry mob to form so they can fast rope into it, right?
If they're secret, how can you see them?
Wow, this makes a lot of sense dude. I mean think about it.
be-anonymous.at.tc
Oh, anon-bot. You try so hard. But this reply doesn't always fit. You've really got to add a couple of different ones to your database.
I've seen some better efforts from anon-bot. Some of them even pertain to the post.
Maybe he was just up late last night or something.
With that spambot post, I think I can relax a little more about the immanence of the Singularity.
Anonobot wants to kill the humans!
Smash skynet!
"I came here with just a simple dream: To kill all humans"
*Knock knock*
Are you Sarah Palin?
My wife agrees with that just for a few moments when the kids track mud inside the house . . .
please don't let him be a libertarian
please don't let him be a libertarian
please don't let him be a libertarian
please don't let him be a libertarian
What does it matter if he is or isn't? He's going to get labelled one since it's too much of a stretch to shoehorn him into the traditional Republican or Tea Party molds.
I suppose he might be, but since libertarians are more associated in the public mind with arguing that it really ought to be ok to dump those PCB's in the ocean, I don't think an environmentalist wacko will really tarnish the LP's image (any further). If anything, it might boost libertarians green cred.
Actually, some nasty comments he made about immigration are the straw the left seems to be clutching at the moment:
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/.....migration/
Wow. Read some of the comments. Those people really live in an alternate universe.
This is my favorite one:
had enough says:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"We can look in the direction of hate America groups some supported by KOCH and other billionaires in creating these insane loons. All this for corporate take over of America and safety nets and for never ending war."
So environmental wackos are right-wingers now? Interesting.
Of course, the Kochoctpus controls everything.
Well, then, everyone should just surrender.
We must block the Kochs!
So environmental wackos are right-wingers now? Interesting.
No...environmental wackos nurture a healthy wing of trade protectionists and anti-immigration racists all their won.
Surprised you guys did not know this.
The left winger environmentalists we get here are the cosmo left wingers.
ie Chad Tony MNG Joe (when he was around)
They also have their own paleo wing. I think Shrike might be of that wing. Joe Romm at climate progress also leans paleo. He is pretty anti-trade.
Over at http://www.env-econ.net/ there as a commenter by the name of Odograph who was of the Paleo verity. but he has not been there for some time.
Jason Riley goes a little into this in Let Them In.
Gore is a better insane loon rich guy example.
That's delusion of the highest order.
How about this one?
"I'm sure that Little Seanie Vannity, Limpballs and BeckyBoy are hard at work now to characterize this fruitcake as an 'environmentalist'".
I think that Lee did their work for them.
Don't start your little side conversations in my moment of glory!
Has anyone seen Steve Smith? Just saying.
Despite the concern for forest creatures, I think we can rule out Steve Smith on this one. The list of demands would have included more references to rape and hiker skulls if it was Steve Smith.
Steve Smith in his school days
That's an image I'll carry with me to my deathbed you frogophile.
Enlighten me. Which Steve Smith? There are three in the NFL right now and there is the retired Oakland Raiders' fullback who is the subject of a very sad HBO piece on the ALS like syptoms many former players are experiencing due to the cumulative effects of concussions and dings sustained during their careers.
Steve Smith the H & R commentor. Or ex-commentor 🙂
and serial frog rapist.
The twist? Ishmael is an elderly telepathic gorilla who for years has studied humanity at the behest of a rich benefactor, and is now in a position to offer deep insights about our species from an outsider's objective point of view.
You know, I try. I try to make fun of the dumbshits that are working to ruin our world. The ones that really go out of their way to make sure the future is far, far worse than the now. And every time I try to make fun of then, something come along and humbles me. How can you make fun of a telepathic gorilla lecturing a Mary Sue on environmentalism?
I'm depressed.
by creating a slash fic
Sequel of the sequel: Oh My, Ishmael.
Cheer up, Sug. Maybe Warty can provide you with some comforting words. And metal.
I'll let Diamond head provide the comforting words: Ishmael
And if that's not metal enough, try this.
Lay down your swords, blood and flesh you share
Seed of Abraham, sons of Ishmael
Grieve for ones lost, memory stains the trail
The road to or-shalem
It sucks. Reality is now so absurd it is immune to satire.
Your smug, true-believer libertoid idiocy is such a wonderful self-parody that you don't have to make fun of anybody, moron.
ARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARF!!!!!!!!!!!
You're really smart, Max. We should have a liberal circlejerk sometime.
Don't you mean "another" circle jerk?
Max, we kid because we love.
And because we love, we'll warn you that the snipers are watching you type your posts.
I'm depressed.
Why?
An eco-nazi is about to be killed on live television.
I am scared for the hostages and hopeful for the Police Sniper.
If you believe even half of what "the media" is telling us about global warming, this is a perfectly rational reaction.
Let's hope the SWAT team saves the day and Balko agrees to kiss all their asses in an act of contrition
You knw, asscunt, there actually are times when a SWAT team is required and I don't ever recall Balko writing that there are not.
Balko can only kiss their asses cause I'll be busy with their other nether-regions...
I blame Rachel Maddow for inflaming the environmentalists. Hateful rhetoric has consequences, you know.
Chad/MNG/Tony is not posting...
He must be too busy to pay us much attention.
I'm posting, but you're not paying attention to ME! I'M IMPORTANT. THIS IS MY MOMENT OF GLORY, ASSHOLEZ!!!
What are the odds Obama makes a comment on this?
1
MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!
Final solutions?
We must kill all teh humanz! Only then can Gaia recover!
I told my wife once that I regret our decision to refer to our son using both his first and middle names, since it struck me as having a serial killer vibe to it. This episode isn't helping.
It is not serial killers who use their middle names it is celebrity assassins and political terrorists who do.
See this guy and Mark David Chapman, James Earl Ray for examples.
I understand that the middle name thing is often a media invention.
Well, I read somewhere that JFK's assassin was just plain old Lee Oswald to everyone who knew him until he did the deed that made hime famous.
I've also heard that it really also started with John Wilkes Boothe. But that was a case of a nutty family that named every male John and had to use a second name to the them apart. Actually one of them was Julius Brutus Boothe. I think it was largely a matter of grand theatricality.
Also, none of the other presidential assassins were known by three names.
What a shame that it wasn't Brutus that offed Lincoln then.
Insanely frustrating for historians as well. Among the descendants of Henry Clay there were six people all alive during the same 15 year period after the Civil War named William Cassius Goodloe.
Lynette Squeaky Fromme doesn't count?
Because it isn't her real middle name, or because she didn't succeed in offing Ford?
"squeaky" is in quotes, I think, because it's a nickname, not a given name.
I figured that the media used middle names in those instances to make the identification as specific as possible. No doubt there were other people named "Lee Oswald" and "Mark Chapman," so using the middle names avoids ticking off innocent people.
There's something to that, I think.
Also, though, I think the other thing that happens is that reporters pretty much copy names verbatim from police reports. The cops are big on using all of one's given names precisely to avoid misidentification, which happens even to competent operators.
Good point, it probably originates with the police.
There are a few here and there: John Wayne Gacy comes immediately to mind.
Good one.
Now I feel gypped. WTF is Bundy's middle name? Inconsistent J school assholes.
Theodore Robert Bundy.
He didn't have a middle name, just a nickname the kids used to call him at school because his mom never packed him a dessert.
"Sugarfree"
There's no need to be cruel.
Its the guys with 3 first names you really have to look out for:
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
James Jay Lee
Oliver Wendall Holmes
Alright, you guys are basically rehashing a Julia Roberts/Mel Gibson movie. Cease and desist.
The Julius Brutus Boothe thing is cool as hell, I will say that.
I've thought about throwing in a Roman middle name if I ever had a son. My grandfather's middle name was Julian (after the emperor, and I'd love to know why him, given that he was a renown apostate, and my family Christian). That would be okay, though I think it might get a kid some crap having a name that could be reduced to Julie.
Nobody could have possibly come up with a funny contraction of "Gaius."
Yeah, that's right out. There's only so many to choose from, unless you leave the praenomen options and head off into cognomina.
Here are the boy praenomina:
Gaius (No--gay)
Lucius (okay)
Marcus (okay)
Publius (no--pube)
Quintus (okay)
Titus (no--tit)
Tiberius (okay)
Sextus (no, sex)
Aulus (no, no one will pronounce it right)
Decimus (okay--kinda like this one)
Gnaeus (no, gnay)
Spurius (maybe, though could be rough in college)
Manius (nah)
Servius (no--Hey, Servius, serve us)
Appius (okay)
Numerius (no)
Vibius (is that even a name?)
I have pretty shoes.
My friend has two sons. He's Italian but his wife refused to give them ethnic names. The compromise was that he could give them Latin middle names. I know his first son's middle name is Aurelius. I forgot the second kid's middle name.
Lucius : Luscious
Marcus : Pollo
Quintus : Kunta Quintus
Tiberius : The wonderful things about Tibers are Tibers are wonderful things.
Decimus : Why would I think he would grow up to be a drummer in a death metal band?
Spurius : Spurious
Appius : You got an App for Us
How about Maximus Decimus Meridius?
I wouldn't anything but Please and Thank You to a guy with a name like that...
Funny, I just mentioned liking Decimus in the post above. I was thinking Anglo-Saxon name with just a Roman middle name.
Maximus Overdrivus.
Now imagine showing up to parent teacher night wearing an olive wreath.
Bigguth Dickuth?
How can you make fun of a telepathic gorilla lecturing a Mary Sue on environmentalism?
You can't mock it, really, but if you can keep a straight face, you could laud Ishmael as a righteous parody-by-hyperbole of Numinous Negro fiction, and maybe make its fans feel a little self-conscious (if that's possible) about being the ridiculously racist assholes they are.
Now that is a good idea. I mean, joe has said that a monkey or ape is never really a monkey or ape, but always a dog whistle for Black people.
Meatwad: And the blood's just gonna keep flowing, unless...
Cybernetic Ghost: Unless Carl pays tribute to the elfin elders in space.
Carl: I'll do it. What do I do?
Cybernetic Ghost: You must give yourself up to the Great Red Ape.
Carl: Okay, how much?
Cybernetic Ghost: Sexually.
Carl: Wonderful.
It is too bad no one thought of that book when Joe was having such a shit fit. I would have been funny to watch him obfuscate and try to explain that one away.
Wait, is there some stereotype that black people are telepathic?
That explains the old joke about how you get a one armed black guy out of a bar.
Wait, is there some stereotype that black people are telepathic?
Fictionally, at least.
Someone on the other thread asked if Organic Girl will be allowed in the building to bring her boyfriend dinner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obcYbQmgtno
I admit to being a fan of places where people are not, and I also mute-button the handwringing and pearl-clutching about "Breed! Breeeeeeed, damn you! We need future workers!" because I think mugging younger workers to pay for oldsters should end. So people who choose not to have kids get a 10 from this judge. I can take about a day of the "filthy human children" my friends are raising, regardless of their erudite charms, then I'm done anyway.
Personally, I think my quality of life increases in places that aren't mobbed by people. Crowds suck. Traffic jams in national parks suck. Shrieking kids on airplanes and in your neighbor's yard suck. Your mileage may vary.
But WTF? The Discovery Channel? Does this fuckwit not own a remote control? See, the problem I have with this wackjob is that he makes us closet Lite Malthusians look crazy. Chill, not all of us want to tag your women with Norplant darts and put birth control in the water supply.
... put birth control in the water supply.
Go on.
Chill, not all of us want to tag your women with Norplant darts and put birth control in the water supply.
Speak for yourself.
This one goes to eleven.
Someone help me out. Do we like cops today or not?
The cops would have stormed the place already, but the Discovery Channel has a "no dogs" policy, so they lack incentive.
So you are telling me if this had been the Animal Planet offices, this whole thing would be over by now.
Yes, they would have shot the perp, a sound editor, two interns and every meerkat in the place.
The most Reason-able scenario would have been for the hostage taker to be at the Discovery HQ, but the SWAT team would have gotten the address wrong and ended up shooting all the meerkats at Animal Planet.
No one should never like cops, but one should recognize a need for professional peace officers, which would look far different from the thugs who act as law enforcement today.
This is what SWAT teams are *for.*
So, today, yes.
Joshua Corning -- I'm all for taking this guy down to protect the hostages, but I really want to see him on the witness stand. If he dies, then this will only last one news cycle. If there's a trial, and the inevitable appeal, we can make hay out of this for a couple of years.
Hoping for the safety of all the hostages, of course.
Good point. I want this guy writing manifestos from prison like Mumia.
Looks like he's shot but alive (for now) and no hostages hurt. Hey, SWAT doing what it was intended for and nobody dead...that's a pretty good day.
They are now looking for a dog to shoot in celebration.
Dogs, like shiksas, are for practice.
He'll never been on a witness stand.
If there's a trial, and the inevitable appeal, we can make hay out of this for a couple of years.
I don't care about the best political face. I want the fucker dead.
Note: My wanting the fucker dead has less to do with his politics and more to do with him taking hostages. Of course taking hostages in in a broader sense a political act. And in my view a very anti-libertarian act.
SWAT just shot him down dead like he was a druggie's dog
That's unfortunate - this guy could have been Al Gore and Pauchauri's love poster child for how much the whole AGW thing is driving people batshit insane. Too bad we won't be having him pop up from time to time, sort of like when the TV folks want to tease ratings by showing Charlie Manson clips.
Crap. They should have at least waited till the Mythbusters arrived with their patented duct tape cannon.
SWAT just shot him down dead like he was a druggie's dog any random citizen's dog.
Fixed
Bang Bang
THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!!
You mean the woodland critters with their satanic rituals and blood orgies?
OW! That shot fucking hurt!
Gorillas have the smallest testicle size in relation to body mass of all the primates.
The largest is gibbons, if I remember correctly. They're fucking baseballs.
Macaques for monkeys and Chimps for apes. The average 16lb Macaque has the same absolute size in testicles as a full grown human male.
Ah, Google...
Sure, it's Google that knows.
You have to admit that he does have a point.
They are saying Lee is dead now.
A moment of silence for another fallen member of our environmental shock troops.
The fucker's alive after being shot. Someone should be fired for that.
He dead again.
If I'm taken hostage during work, what do I put it down on my timesheet as?
Furlough
"You can't kill us now, we was just comin' down with stockholm syndrome... handsome!"
"instigator's first demand cites the terrible Daniel Quinn novel Ishmael as a source of inspiration:"
According to a story I read on Fox News website, he also cited Al Gore's movie as a source of inspiration.
Stop and ponder for a moment what the reaction in the main stream media would be if some crazy gunman had explicitly cited Rush Libaugh, for example as his source of inspiration vs the chirping crickets reaction we will get from them on this citing Gore.
We don't have to ponder it.
We have the media's reaction to Timothy McVeigh who never even cited Rush Limbaugh, but seemed like the kind of guy who might have had he had a facebook page or a twitter account. So that was close enough.
I mean, hell, we've already got the media "chin scratching" over whether the so-called Tea Party movement will lead "to another Oklahoma City Bombing".
Hey! Only right-wingers commit acts of violence! WE never do!
Well good, the snipers did their job properly.
Hats off to the media man... they found a way to make an envrio-nut into a conservative/republican.
Most impressive...
n00bed it up. Should have been a reply to something up the page.
http://www.theonion.com/video/.....ugh,17491/
Video related
I'm going to repeat my earlier wish that the explosive devices are all made out of Pepto Bismo, watches and cell phones.
The TSA would cum in their pants at the prospect of snagging a bunch of fine Rolex watches from travelers.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201009010035
Not at all surprising.
Talk about a guy with no inventive ideas...
time for MY discovory maniphesto!!
1. I read Greg Egan's books. You should read them to and make a shows about them.
2. More T-Rex vs mega gators. That shit is awesome. and who could forget about squirrels. They fuck up the reason comments and having them eaten by a giant CGI ice age beaver would be pretty cool.
3. UFOs and aliens are bullshit and you guys know it. Same with Ghosts and Angles and other paranormal bullshit. Either make shows that debunk them or don't make shows about them at all.
4. more lions killing shit.
5. More Cheetahs killing shit
6. More shit killing other shit.
7. Your hulu page sucks. I don't have cable so fix that.
8. I have no idea how quantum physics works. Fix that.
9. The big bang seems like bullshit. The universe created itself from nothing. That is worse then the bible and the evidence given to justify it in popular media is thin. Either show the evidence or debunk it.
10. Space is cool. More space.
11. There were a lot of babies in your day care. No recommendations there...just wow lots of babies.