When They Were Out to Get Us
The paranoid days of the 1970s
The 1970s—with its flared jeans and dodgy haircuts, pallid disco music, absurdist trends (pet rocks!), and Khomeinist revolution—what a miserable, squalid decade it was. The idealism and irrational optimism of the 1960s, when throngs of teenagers declared the end of bourgeois society, gave way to Cambodia, Watergate, Jonestown, and the Symbionese Liberation Army. Civil rights marchers and peaceniks made way for black power and Black September.
In Strange Days Indeed, British journalist Francis Wheen stylishly chronicles what he calls the "Them decade," when the grand conspiracy theory was ascendant in the West, having infected the thinking of an astonishing number of clever people—prime ministers, presidents, journalists, and movie directors—as well as the hoi polloi. When something went wrong—a leader deposed, a president shot—it was invariably blamed on the machinations of government, business, and intelligence community conspirators. It was Them. Ordinary people saw a government agent behind every rock. British Prime Minister Harold Wilson was convinced that his intelligence service was fomenting a coup. Richard Nixon distrusted all but his closest aides.
There was something of a hangover in all of this, a predictable backlash from the mainstreaming of political radicalism of the late 1960s. Looking back on 1973, Wheen observes that in Britain "it seems incredible that the National Theater should stage an earnest three-hour Trotskyist seminar, led by no less a figure than Laurence Olivier," that supposedly portended a working-class revolution.
In the United States, most every conspiracy theory that involved the White House, Langley, the entire rotten government, was given a hearing (and sometimes confirmed as fact) in Congress. Public revelation of the CIA's involvement in assassination plots in the Third World, its role in fomenting coups across the globe, and its production of exploding cigars meant for Fidel Castro were treasonous, said singer Bing Crosby. To others, the exposes merely confirmed what they had long suspected: Their government could never be trusted.
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Ah the '70s. Back when the idea that government would collect information on everyone was tin foil talk.
Back when people said they would never ban smoking in public.
Back when people didn't think you were trying to kill the planet if you drove a Chevelle with supercharged 454 big block that got 5 mpg.
Yes. Although the last 10 years has really been a golden age of muscle cars. The Chevrolet ZR 1 engine that goes in the high end Corvette and the Cadillac CRS is easily the best engine GM has ever built and one of the best engines in the world. Hell, you can go buy a V6 Mercedes C Class that will put out 200 horsepower. The speed and horsepower of the current generation of cars amazes me.
We should enjoy them while we can. Unfortunately, I think the Volt is the future of Government Motors.
They were talking on Top Gear about how the Bugatti Veyron may never be equaled. The safety and green nuts will ensure no such car is ever made again. Sad.
Which is no future at all.
I have an original sales brochure for my '75 Blazer. Stock from the factory, the 350 in it was rated at 150 horse. That still amazes me.
My 66 Mustang's 289 rates at 210 HP. That is 210 HP out of about a 4.8 liter engine. Now you can get 200 HP out of a three liter engine.
Another good one to think about. The old Magnum PI Ferrari 308s had 240 hp and did zero to sixty in about 6.8 seconds. I could take a new Golf GTI and leave it for dead.
In 66, that's gross SAE horsepower...the curreeent HP figures are in SAE net, which typically run lower because SAE net accounts for alternators, etc.
So the difference is even more striking.
Now you can get a 2011 Hyundai Sonata with a 2.0l Naturally Aspirated engine that has 200 horsepower. I think it's progressing faster than you thought, John.
Take a look at the specs on the 350Z, 305 hp at the flywheel from a 3.0 L V6. Not sure about the 370Z, pretty sure Nissan tuned it up a bit more.
God I miss that car. Too bad the wife did not buy off on letting the kids ride in the trunk.
That low horsepower was entirely the fault of the government requiring smog equipment before the equipment was ready. But only on American cars. This led to two things. 1. the smog equipment destroyed the engine and hence American's soon believed American cars were junk, true but only by regulation and 2. Since the Japanies(sp?) cars were not required to have this equipment people believed they were higher quality. Now once technology caught up with regulations in the late 80's American cars started getting better but by then the damage was already done.
They didn't require it on foreign cars? That makes a lot of sense but I can't believe they did that. Seriously? I would like to see a link on that.
Nope. All cars required smog-stuff. And mid-'70s cars in the US from any country are to be avoided if you desire "vintage" cars. They stink.
There is a difference when it came to bandaids to increse fuel economy. Japanese and Euro cars were already pretty fuel-efficient given the fuel taxes in those places. Forcing that sort of instant-tech on US cars made them worse than they were as a result of the smog-stuff.
Back when we made jokes about hamburgers costing $3.00 and pot being legal in 15 years, with the tobacco corporations producing packs with commercial brand names and logos.
Well we got half of that. Just not the right half.
But throwing trash out the window made Iron-Eyes Cody cry.
""Back when people said they would never ban smoking in public.""
No kidding. How about being banned from smoking in your apartment, or your car.
""In Strange Days Indeed, British journalist Francis Wheen stylishly chronicles what he calls the "Them decade," when the grand conspiracy theory was ascendant in the West, having infected the thinking of an astonishing number of clever people?prime ministers, presidents, journalists, and movie directors?as well as the hoi polloi. ""
What's really funny about that is it's coming from a britsh guy who probably thought having a 1984ish surveillance society in the UK would never happen in his lifetime.
Now they want to have cigarette smoking in a movie earn it an instant R rating.
Who needs the state to ban smoking when landlords will happily do it? I'm apartment hunting now in the Twin Cities and nearly half the ads specify no smoking or pets. The Minnesota Clean Indoor Air Act didn't make this happen. I suspect it was more pernickety co-tenants that just can't stomach the idea of demon tobacco in their midst.
Or that the owners now feel it's PC to follow a business model that costs them less out of pocket. They can now gyp you out of the deposit saying you didn't clean well enough, without having to repaint because of tar, or call a carpenter or carpet installer cause fluffy pee'd on the rug.
Many libratarians don't have a problem with that.
That was @ Catullus.
If your stay requires the landlord to make repairs, that's fair game. However, in some places, they are requried to paint an apartment for new tenets. In that case, they should hold your deposit for a paint job required by law.
I now see I should have said, shouldn't hold your deposit...
I've no objection to these criteria, since I don't smoke. My point is that the state isn't behind every predicament smokers face. These landlords are making a smart call. I've fled from not one but two buildings that burned to the ground because of---what else?---a smoker who dozed off while smoking.
Many moons ago in the People's Republic of Boulder Colorado I was working at one of a small number of restaurants that was completely non-smoking.
It was by choice. The place was always packed with customers who would not step foot into anyplace that allowed people the freedom to smoke.
One summer the city passed an ordinance making it a crime for a person to smoke tobacco in a restaurant.
In two months my employer shut its doors.
That just tells me your competitors had better food or better service all along.
No mention of leisure suits or disco, I'm sorely disappointed.
You're not the only one...
This is exactly what I think.
Back when the National Guard still had the balls to shoot dirty hippy protesters.
Back when we had the technology to put men on the Moon.
back when the Gulf of Tonkin was a real attack on the United States Navy...back when the bilderberg group was a unconfirmed conspiracy theory, back when the CFR didn't have a website, back when the USS Liberty was accidentally attacked.
tut tut! Back when we had the technology to make you THINK we put men on the moon! Where do you think Lucas got his effects? Made them up himself? Star Wars is so TOTALLY about plausible Deniability. It's all spelled out in that docu-drama that OJ made, Capricorn One.
What bullshit. While we faked the Mars landing, we did actually send men to the Moon.
We didn't fake the Mars landing: We faked MARS. There is no Mars.
Back when it took 9 years, and the spacecraft carried the computing power of a large abacus. Now with supercomputers, it will take us 20 years to get back to the moon -- oh wait, let's not. Let's land on an asteroid. Anyone want a cheeseburger? Why's my wife in Spain again?
back when asking citizens for their "papers" was something only nazis and communists would do.
Don't you mean "Back when you didn't have to ask people for their papers" because we were not over run with 12 million illegals? Moron!
Back when Mexicans made stupid movies about getting high all the time, and no one cared...
back when wars were started until false pretenses.
back when a CIA plant like Moynihan wasn't so fucking obvious.
"were treasonous, said singer Bing Crosby."
Say what you want about Bing Crosby. But that guy knew how to live. Dude made millions, banged most of the starlets in the golden age of Hollywood, and died in his old age of a sudden heart attack on a golf course in Spain. Now that is living a life.
Eew, ugly people are gross.
If being ugly is the trick to banging Inger Stevens and Grace Kelly, where do I sign up?
The White House?
Considering you're a lawyer, you're probably already on that list.
Besides, I don't care about ugly or hot chicks, I care about hot dudes. And when you talk about ugly dudes, it makes my girl boner dry out.
Too much information.
It happens sometimes.
Yet strangely intriguing.
(clearly not female)
Clearly my vagina and two XX chromosomes disagree.
Make that two X chromosomes, two XX would make me a genetic freak.
""two XX would make me a genetic freak.""
Or superhuman. I figure the odds are 50/50.
Bet that makes for some interesting discussions.
Zoltan is a girl?
Always have been....geez you guys never pay attention.
Pre or post op?
Seriously - a female libertarian! How's it feel to be on the endangered list?
There are lots of female libertarians around here: Hazel Meade, Jennifer, er, yeah, never mind. Always thought Fluffy and Tulpa were females due to the names (before they had e-mails/blogs). (NO John T., imagined Asian women you sockpuppet don't count!)
that's cuz I can't help but picture you sitting on a boardwalk somewhere, waiting to grant wishes for a quarter
Dude, they're dead. That's just sick.
Yeah, and on top of that the "evil old right-winger" ignored the color bar and and was promoting black musicians and actors from the thirties on.
Smoked pot too!
And he was a brilliant performer. What a voice! There is no room in pop culture for a great performer who a lot of people listen to. Who today can belt it out like Bing? Neko Case and Zooey Deschanel are pretty amazing but they are girls and not popular. James Mercer is sweet like Bing but has no range and isn't really popular.
Zooey Deshanel is popular with the only audience that matters.
Most people don't even know she sings and know her only as the actress from Elf or 500 Days of Summer. A lot of artists (Elvis Costello, obviously M Ward, and hopefully Ben Gibbard.) like her. But who has heard of M Ward or Ben Gibbard? But yes she has range, power, clarity, delivery, ...
I dearly love Neko Case. Any white woman who can rock a gospel song (John Saw That Number) earns my respect.
Problem is, this time there actually are secret meetings of international bankers in which they conspire to have governments print money and indirectly siphon it it to the banks.
I didn't think they bothered with the "secret" part these days.
No, they just asked Congress to give it to them, both major party presidential candidates rushed to join in, and Congress handed over 700 billion, even after (in my Congress critter's case) admitting that constituent calls and letters were 88% against the bailout.
Wheen concedes that much 1970s paranoia contained a kernel of truth.
So, it wasn't really paranoia, right?
Just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.
"...to suggest that the strange, paranoid days of the 1970s are back."
Does no one at Reason remember that little thing called "the 90's"? When the Clintons were murdering their rivals, conducting crooked real estate deals and the Hong Kong police were about to take over?
Or more current, folks that think you can power a car with water and the government is fighting to keep it a secret.
I lost count of the number of people that I met in the 60s and 70s who knew/was related to/had met someone whose best friend/uncle/father-in-law was related to/friends with/was in the army with some guy who had invented a carburetor that got 55/100/200 MPG and had sold the design to Esso(Exon)/GM/Texaco who had locked the plans up in a vault so that no one would ever be able to use it.
Oh! I had the instructions for building one of those things when I was about 20. I tried to make one for my Plymouth Valiant.
The results were less than stellar, made worse by my utter lack of mechanical ability.
My granfather owned a gas station, my father has a similar story that I believe. But it was something like 35 mpg in the 60s. Not 55/100/200.
Yeah, I've probably heard 35 more often than not.
Mind you, I'm pretty sure the first time I heard it was in Canada. Imperial gallons are bigger, you know. 🙂
The Kochtopus is real, dude.
It's not fair for you to dream up conspiracies blaming us for everything just because we toppled governments in Korea, Viet Nam, Guatemala, Iran, and Greece.
You darn paranoics!
Let's not forget Chile! Geez you guys have ALWAYS neglected out southern brown brethren, or totally fucked it up! I know it was fun to watch Fidel twist Jesse Helm's undies into a knot, but c'mon! A poison freakin Cigar? That's the BEST you clowns could come up with?
In semi-related news:
Former FBI agent Don Adams claims to have proof Oswalt didn't shoot Kennedy
"It is a fact," says Adams, and he says he has the FBI documents to prove it.
At his home in Akron, Ohio, Adams is surrounded by thousands of reports and records from the National Archives and Records Administration. His name appears on many of the papers, but he says other reports have been doctored, or are missing, "Everything I had done is gone. It's all gone," Adams said.
http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-n.....4699.story
and tiny link in case the server squirrels decide to screw up that one.
http://tinyurl.com/2dcfqoa
For the record, Don Adams was with CONTROL, not with the FBI.
TB missed it by that much...
And boy is the chief going to be mad this time!
Well, that's just what they want you to think.
I don't believe Oswalt shot Kennedy. But his arm should be enough to get the Phillies into the playoffs.
Is he related to Gomez Adams?
Patton Oswalt? I didn't know he was a suspeect! Wouldn't he have been a bit young?
Obama combines the worst aspects of Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter into a single body. Obama has all the paranoia and disrepect for rule of law that Tricky Dick made so popular in the early 70's. And he combines that with Jimmy's total inability to take any action in the economic sphere without doing more damage than good.
All he'd have to do is fall off a ski lift and we'd have the entire decade of the '70s concentrated into one person.
Jimmy's total inability to take any action in the economic sphere without doing more damage than good.
wasn't Nixon actually worse than Carter, economically speaking? Price controls and closing gold window vs airline and trucking deregulation?
Nixon was a moron when it came to economics, to be sure.
And many of Carter's problems came from having to deal with the likes of Ted Kennedy and Tip O'Neil in the Congress. Carter didn't need a Republican opposition, his own damn party was out to sink him.
Carter had a lot of good ideas. Deregulation was one he succeeded at (and Kennedy even helped him on that). But his demands that Congress balance the budget before passing any new spending programs got nowhere. The Democratic Congress out spent his budget demands every time.
That's not to say he didn't have his faults. His makework "jobs" programs and targeted tax cuts were outright failures, though par for the course for a Democrat.
I just read the biggest piece of BS I have ever read here (and that is most that is published here).
Well thanks for the critical feedback. We really need it.
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The kids of today should defend themselves against the 70's
It's not reality
Just someone else's sentimentality
The kids of today should defend themselves against the 70's 90's
Thanks for reminding me how old I am.
Hey mister don't look down on me
(for what I believe in-
I got my bills and the rent)
I should go pitch a tent
but our land is not free
so I'll work my youth away
in the place of a machine.
Ya, we need a few more Woodstock retrospectives. Maybe a miniseries about the summer of love would be good too.
Makes me want to stay up late and listen to Coast to Coast.
Some people will believe anything.
That's one of the funniest shows on radio.
Here's a building conspiracy for the new age.
Fox news is partially owned by a radical Islamist who also funds nefarious Muslim organizations linked to terrorism (true). Fox News is the primary source of the new anti-ground-zero mosque movement and spends a lot of energy asking where the funding is coming from...implying that it comes from radical Islamists who fund nefarious Muslim organizations linked to terrorism. These organizations are currently active on the internets...over joyed with the controversy as it is turning into a fine recruitment tool.
Fox news has now revealed that they have identified a radical Islamist that is funneling funds to the ground zero mosque. Turns out it is the same guy who is the partial owner of Fox News.
He rubs his hands in glee laughing a nefarious laugh.
That was an awesome link yesterday, btw.
What an asshole, you get me all psyched for a new conspiracy, and then you throw some reality at me. Damn you. 😉
Remember the article where Moynihan said that the New York Times was a place where real journalists worked(as opposed to activist)? That article sucked even worse than this one.
Sorry to be pedantic, but it should be just "hoi polloi", not "the hoi polloi". The word "hoi" means "the".
My dear fellows, this is our punishment for associating with the hoi polloi.
Moe: Now then gentlemen. Remember your etiquette.
[Slaps Larry and Curly]
Larry: What's that for?
Curly: We didn't do nothin'!
Moe: That's in case you do when I'm not around.
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It was a timely ode to The The
The El Rancho is a pretty decent resteraunt, but for a little less money and a lot less of a crowd, you can get about the same food and The El Mercado.
Is "now" part of "ever"?
BOOGER!!!
Who needs conspiracies?
Laws are cumulative, as is government.
There is no mechanism to destroy either.
They will only grow.
The logical conclusion of an ever growing government and body of law is the elimination of freedom.
There's no conspiracy, it's right there in the open.
there are better ways of seeing the sitch that are even hopeful.
With reality like this, you don't need conspiracys.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/pr.....n-d-c.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bi.....ldren.html
And I hear from some people, crap like this is impossible.
"Google and In-Q-Tel have recently injected a sum of up to $10 million each into a company called Recorded Future, which uses analytics to scour Twitter accounts, blogs and websites for all sorts of information, which is used to "assemble actual real-time dossiers on people.""
The best part of the article is when one commenter says "The movie Minority Report comes to mind" and another commenter replies "I think you're on to something here." Apparently neither of them noticed the article actually contains a picture from Minority Report. LOL!
Not that wiki is a great source but, from wiki,
Former CIA director George Tenet says,
We [the CIA] decided to use our limited dollars to leverage technology developed elsewhere. In 1999 we chartered ... In-Q-Tel. ... While we pay the bills, In-Q-Tel is independent of CIA. CIA identifies pressing problems, and In-Q-Tel provides the technology to address them. The In-Q-Tel alliance has put the Agency back at the leading edge of technology ... This ... collaboration ... enabled CIA to take advantage of the technology that Las Vegas uses to identify corrupt card players and apply it to link analysis for terrorists [cf. the parallel data-mining effort by the SOCOM-DIA operation Able Danger ], and to adapt the technology that online booksellers use and convert it to scour millions of pages of documents looking for unexpected results.[5]
Huh, so Google has a partnership with a CIA chartered company for the purpose of data collection on the citzenry. Go figure.
Well sure they pay the bills but they are completely independent...like William F Buckley, the House of Saud, Pakistan's ISI and Karzai's heroin trafficking business...has nothing to do with the CIA.
who's checking the checkers checking the dog pound wiring?
licensees, grants, black ops, tons of dope money, in case #252525fsk9947hhg00009.1416
man o man checks, balances and new hampshire
we watch all of you in real time
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I was a young man back in the 1960s.
Yes, you made your own amusements then,
Going to the pictures;
Well, the travel was hard, and I mean
We still used the wheel.
But you could sit down at your table
And eat a real food meal.
But hey, you young people, well I just do not know,
And I can't even understand you
When you try to talk slow.
"The 1970s?with its flared jeans and dodgy haircuts, pallid disco music, absurdist trends (pet rocks!), and Khomeinist revolution?what a miserable, squalid decade it was. The idealism and irrational optimism of the 1960s, when throngs of teenagers declared the end of bourgeois society, gave way to Cambodia, Watergate, Jonestown, and the Symbionese Liberation Army."
The '70's were the culture detoxing from the excesses of the '60's. The '60's were not really much to write home about.
From 1965 on, the Sixties sucked, agreed. But the 70s sucked too.
sounds like you folks missed all the fun.
man i had a blasssssst
You must not have been political.
The 1970s was simply the democratic outgrowth of the 1960s; what happened only on college campuses
in the 1960s spread to the high schools, and the suburbs, and even to the armed forces in the 1970s. If you liked the 1960s, you loved the 1970s.
Although the last 10 years has really been a golden age of muscle cars. The Chevrolet ZR 1 engine that goes in the high end Corvette and the Cadillac CRS is easily the best engine GM has ever built and one of the best engines in the world. Hell, you can go buy a V6 Mercedes C Class that will put out 200 horsepower. The speed and horsepower of the current generation of cars amazes me.
Just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.
The El Rancho is a pretty decent resteraunt, but for a little less money and a lot less of a crowd, you can get about the same food and The El Mercado.
So are you saying that powerful people inside and outside the government DIDN'T conspire to do evil things to benefit themselves and their agendas?
Gullibility is worse than paranoia any day.
there are forces very hostile to say smoking a joint on the beach.
the old imperial game continues to work great for our masters: divide and conquer.
tastes great ... less filling
we are fighting an endless war against vague enemies. now if that isn't the fascist wet dream, then what is?
libertoonians are tools of the fascists and ayn rand is bunk.
the hippies are right.
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