L.A. Times: End Racial Preferences to Avoid White Blowback

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Via the Atlantic Wire, Los Angeles Times columnist Gregory Rodriguez offers, much to my surprise, a perfectly sensible suggestion: it's time to find "less divisive ways to fight inequality" by eliminating racial preferences. Yeah, let's! But why now, Gregory? It is time to end affirmative action, Rodriguez writes, not because the practice is unfair or discriminatory, but because if it continues much longer we can expect a "destructive white backlash" against minorities, an explosion of racial resentment from those angry Tea Party types.

Between the usual platitudes ("policy, like politics, is the art of the possible"), Rodriguez argues that "we're routinely hearing the cries of white minority victimhood. And it's not just coming from white nationalists." More mainstream Americans, in other words, are adopting the resentful racial attitudes of white nationalists. But are claims of "white minority victimhood" greater in 2011 than, say, 1995? Rodriguez provides no evidence. And is it "victimhood" (an obviously pejorative term) to complain that your construction company, which offered the lowest bid, was passed over for a federal contract in favor of a minority-owned company?

Is there data to support the argument that white America is on the brink of a "backlash," or is Rodriguez's column more informed by the "racist Tea Party" meme than any hard evidence? Opinion polling on racial preferences is difficult; depending on how the questions are phrased, support varies in statistically significant ways. But most poll data suggests that support for affirmative action has actually increased in the past decade. If there is evidence to suggest that Rodriguez is on to something (he writes that he "believes" and is "convinced" that he is right, something his editor might want to second guess in the future), I haven't found it.

One final quibble. Rodriguez asks, "Is there hard evidence that whites are hurt by affirmative action? No. Over the course of four decades of the program, white educational attainment has increased. And whites still make up the vast majority of federal employees." So if the "educational attainment" (whatever that means) of whites has increased, as more people are going to college—but perhaps not the college they wanted—and seeking advanced degrees, this means there is "no hard evidence" that whites are hurt by affirmative action? Perhaps, Gregory, it means preference programs aren't the correct answer to the problems of minorities. Either way, I've reread the sentence a dozen times and it still makes no sense. And note the sleight of hand employed when he claims that "whites still make up the vast majority of federal employees." Well, yes. Because they constitute a vast majority of the population. But according to the latest figures, available here, blacks represent 18 percent of the federal workforce and 13 percent of the United States population. Alas, the numbers aren't exactly right here—a 5 percentage point differential—and, therefore, someone, somewhere is getting a raw deal.

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  1. I thought we were post racial?

    So, can’t we get rid of all the race based silliness?

    1. No, it’s always all talk and no undo with those people.

  2. I almost forgot. Racist Prop C passed in MO at almost 3 to 1.

  3. That’s funny!

    It is time to end affirmative action, Rodriguez writes, not because the practice is unfair or discriminatory, but because if it continues much longer we can expect a “destructive white backlash” against minorities, an explosion of racial resentment from those angry Tea Party types.

    They noticed all the gun sales and deduced this, or did they just go with “gut feelings” as evidence?

    Rodriguez provides no evidence.

    🙂 Thought so.

  4. Gregory Rodriguez is a conservative. So it’s as shocking as Shelby Steele coming out against affirmative action.

    Or in Prog / Beltway Liberal-tarian two colored sellout racists.

  5. So, can’t we get rid of all the race based silliness?

    Sure!

    1. Make up a case against race-based admissions and hiring that shows upper-class whites it’s harmful to them.

    Difficulty: You have to make it up, because that’s who most benefits from it, primarily by their being shielded from Asian and white-trash competition?and they know it.

    2. …

    I can’t really imagine “1.” Let us know if you come up with something.

    1. So you think “white trash’ is an acceptable term? Typical left wing muck slinging pretending to be “tolerant” and oh so above it all but showing themselves as more hypocritical and bigoted than those they slander.

  6. *sleight* of hand.

  7. Mr. Moynihan, I believe you meant to write “sleight of hand,” not “slight of hand.”

  8. Is there data to support the argument that white America is on the brink of a “backlash,” or is Rodriguez’s column more informed by the “racist Tea Party” meme than any hard evidence?

    Well the economy is in the shitter and it is my belief that a bad economy increases racial strife and prosperity generally encourages tolerance.

    Maybe Gregory Rodriguez is expecting 2011 to be an even shitter year for the economy then the last 2 have.

  9. How about no racial discrimination by the government unless it serves a compelling government interest, is narrowly tailored to that interest, and employs the least restrictive means of achieving that interest?

    1. How about no racial discrimination by the government unless it serves a compelling government interest, is narrowly tailored to that interest, and employs the least restrictive means of achieving that interest?

    2. The problem when you have any government approved racial discrimination is the race pimps who make their living off racism and race victimhood like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP will claim every case is a “compelling government interest”.

      Ask any of these race pimps when an AA “exception” will be over, and you’ll get an answer of “never”.

  10. Alas, the numbers aren’t exactly right here?a 5 percentage point differential?and, therefore, someone, somewhere is getting a raw deal.

    Getting a job with the Federal government is not exactly a point of pride in my book.

    The 5% discrepancy may be due to culture.

    1. Quite true. So why doesn’t this reasoning carry any weight weight with the government on other issues, for example on Title IX?

  11. “One final quibble. Rodriguez asks, “Is there hard evidence that whites are hurt by affirmative action?”

    I read in the New York Times recently that there are three achievements that statistically count against college applicants…

    High School ROTC

    Future Farmers of America

    Four H

    They may not discriminate against white, wealthy suburbanite kids, but rural white kids are getting the shaft. I suspect that is bringing out some resentment among Red State people–why wouldn’t it?

    And if you read it in the New York Times, then it must be true.

  12. Damn! Forgot to change my sig line…

    Anyway, found the piece here…

    “But cultural biases seem to be at work as well. Nieli highlights one of the study’s more remarkable findings: while most extracurricular activities increase your odds of admission to an elite school, holding a leadership role or winning awards in organizations like high school R.O.T.C., 4-H clubs and Future Farmers of America actually works against your chances. Consciously or unconsciously, the gatekeepers of elite education seem to incline against candidates who seem too stereotypically rural or right-wing or “Red America.”

    —-“The Roots of White Anxiety” New York Times, July 18

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/opinion/19douthat.html

    1. The piece goes on to suggest that elite universities, according to this study, seem to save their worthy poor student slots, consciously or unconsciously, for minorities.

      …and why wouldn’t that be the case? What generally accepted, counter-intuitive hoop do you have to jump through to believe reserving slots for minorities won’t mean fewer opportunities for others?

      I understand if they want to make the argument that discrimination makes for a more multicultural world, and the utility of that is worth it–hell, I’m kinda partial to that argument myself…if you’re talking about a private college using its own endowment.

      …but don’t treat the people who lose in that equation like they’re stupid and say it isn’t discrimination. That’s the recipe for resentment right there.

      1. I think more of the resentment comes from lower-level stuff. My dad worked for one of the larger state agencies. I remember him calling me about how the black rabble rousers (BRR) decided there weren’t enough blacks. So they decided to give a multiple choice test that my dad (an absolute moron) said was really easy. Even fewer passed the test, so the BRR decided it was racist and demanded a written test. Despite most of the graders being black, the BRR declared that test was racist. So they got a quota and pissed-off whites and embarassed many blacks. This is the type of shit that whites who live beside blacks are pissed about. And no amount of finger-wagging from whites who pay the no-blacks Georgetown premium is going to change that.

      2. …and why wouldn’t that be the case? What generally accepted, counter-intuitive hoop do you have to jump through to believe reserving slots for minorities won’t mean fewer opportunities for others?

        When grilled on this, the answer usually comes down to “It only offsets the anti-black bias that was already there.” Which, is as logical as trying to cure cancer in a handful of people by giving the whole country a little bit of chemo each.

        1. I always find that argument pretty damn funny since it tends to come from the people who control college admissions. Their argument seems to boil down to “We’re a bunch of racists, and if we don’t have quotas we won’t take any brown people. Stop us before we discriminate again.”

          1. I think it gets even worse than that.

            I think they sometimes paint the people who complain about being discriminated against as being racist.

            …as if complaining about being discriminated against somehow makes you a racist. That’s the stuff that resentment is made from.

            1. One small change:
              “I think they sometimes paint the white people who complain about being discriminated against as being racist.”

              If you are any other race, and you complain about being discriminated against, you’re basically a hero.

  13. “Difficulty: You have to make it up, because that’s who most benefits from it, primarily by their being shielded from Asian and white-trash competition?and they know it.”

    This is the issue in a nutshell. Anecdote: myself, another middle class cracker, and a charlie from our not-Atlanta-Birmingham-NO deep south h.s. weren’t admitted to all the Duke/Stanford/Ivies despite National Merit, 1550 SAT, 4.4 GPA, and real extracurriculars. Meanwhile one half-latino and several blacks were accepted with much lower scores, similar GPA’s with easier classes, and numerous unsubstantial extracurriculars. Also they were all daughters of successful doctors and lawyers while we had true middle class parents.

    I’m actually grateful because the path I took is far more interesting and probably lucrative. But this is the reality of diversity programs that the coastal upper class refuses to acknowledge. At their best they favor rich black mediocrities over high-achieving whites and Asians. At their worst they favor incompetent black boobs for positions that could actually matter (New Haven).

    1. I felt your pain. My child graduated from high school this year with 2400 SAT and high GPA(taking toughest courses). Yet he was not accepted by any of the top schools. Needless to say, he would’ve be taken by everyone of them if his skin color was black or brown.

  14. This is the LA Times. Los Angeles has a large Asian population. The dog that didn’t bark. Did you read the part Greg’s column about Asians being denied admission to CA universities because there were already too many of them meet the diversity schedules? Neither did I.

    His hispanic, black, and white treatment of this subject might fly elsewhere, but it is dishonest in Los Angeles.

  15. Asians have to have an SAT score 150 points higher than whites to stand an equal chance of getting in. Their scores have to be 450 points higher than blacks to have the same chance. That’s a difference of 4.5 standard deviations, which is insane.

    Asians are 4th class citizens. Whites are 3rd class. Hispanics are 2nd class. Blacks are 1st class.

    1. Asians are 4th class citizens. Whites are 3rd class. Hispanics are 2nd class. Blacks are 1st class.

      You missed a step. Universities are having a hard time keeping the male enrollment up with female enrollment. Diversity rules!

      Asian females are 8th class citizens, Asian males are 7th class citizens, and so on.

      1. Which means it is a great time to be a guy who can actually get into college. I had no idea how good I had it at my 60/40 ratio of Female/Male university. I was turning down girls left and right for reasons that make no sense whatsoever to a 40+ year old. Youth is wasted on the young….

        1. Unless your like me and you study engineering. The college of egineering at my school is 66/33 m/f, and my own department of Computer Science is like 85/15.

    2. I’m against affirmative action as much as the next guy and hate diversity quotas. That being said, if you’re saying it’s easier and better to be black in America than white, you’re just being an asshole. I’m not saying white people are better, but it’s definitely easier being white.

      1. I think it depends on what environment you are in. When I’ve worked with construction guys, janitors, managers of low end apartments, they absolutely discriminate against blacks and actively try to not hire them or rent to them.

        On the high end, such as elite professional firms or educational institutions, they are desperate to hire / promote / enroll blacks.

        The problem is that the people who are helped on the high end are usually from upper-middle class households.

    3. There is a glass ceiling of keeping the high archiving asian students from the big name schools. Just look at the percentage of asian students in these schools-around 11-12%, and I bet you it would never go higher. True equality is “the best person for the position” without considering race, gender, national origin, etc., etc. Can you imagine putting a few 5’6″ asian players on Lakers’ or Cowboys’ squad, in the name of affirmative action or diversity. Well, that’s what is going on in college application and many job markets-putting lesser qualified people in position with the excuse of “diversity”.

  16. “…whites still make up the vast majority of federal employees.” Well, yes. Because they constitute a vast majority of the population.

    Federal employees do not constitute a vast majority of the population.

    yet.

  17. “Is there hard evidence that whites are hurt by affirmative action? No. Over the course of four decades of the program, white educational attainment has increased. And whites still make up the vast majority of federal employees.”

    What an amazingly poor argument. Like, you just failed community college Logic 101.

    Who is this cretin?

    1. You seem to have no argument at all.

      1. Is there any evidence that death is bad for white people? No. Over the course of several centuries of a 100% white death rate, life expectancy has risen for whites. And in the US, whites still make up the vast majority of those alive.

  18. He wants to end racial quotas because he thinks they’re politically unpopular. Maybe his motives aren’t pure, but what’s wrong with the outcome? Oh, and California voters, who so often get it wrong, outlawed affirmative action for California state universities back in 2001, also getting rid of “legacy admissions” (alumni kids) as well. What’s not to like?

    1. Affirmative action was outlawed, true. Now it’s called “diversity”. Please tell me I am wrong. Plain and simple, diversity is a form of discrimination.

  19. You all are over thinking this. As noted in the Senator Webb oped a couple of weeks ago – the mandarins of the Democratic party have realized that the use of racial preferences is steadily cutting out their working and middle class whites from their party. They are on the road to being a coalition of Blacks/Latinos (Mexican only)/Liberal Intelligencia/Public Sector Unions — Which is a minority party.

    They have to give up the affirmative action if they have any chance of remaining competitive. It ain’t about racial privledge – it’s about Power.

    1. Exactly. Also remember Webb is a complete crap weasel who has voted lock step with Reid and Pelosi. The only reason he won in 2006 was the Mecaca incident. He is two years away from re-election in a majority white and mostly conservative state.

  20. Even if whites made up a disproportionate share of federal employees, is that really evidence of a white priviledge? It’s only the upper managment positions that really call the shots. Most of the rest are just chair warmers.

  21. White people are still a majority in this country. Obama is killing the Democrats in the white vote. He was supposed to be the first post racial President. But he has turned out to be the most racially divisive ever. Democrats can’t win anything without at least a decent showing among whites.

    First there was Jim Webb’s article in the Wall Street Journal. Now this. I don’t think it is a coincidence. I also don’t think they mean a word of it. But, clearly the Dems are sending people out to at least blow some smoke up white America’s ass.

    1. What, exactly, has Obama done that causes you to label him “the most racially divisive” President ever?

      1. His AG got up and called America racial cowards after like a month in office. He got involved in the whole Henry Gates matter. He let his DOJ drop the Black Panther matter. And more than anything, he has allowed and encouraged his supporters and defenders to call anyone and everyone critical of his administration racist. By allowing and never repudiating his supporters who injected race into the discussion, he has poisoned the well of pretty much all discussion of his administration.

        1. Not to mention his wife calling for action by the NAACP to condemn the tea party as racists a week before the whole Shirley Sherrod SHTF.

      2. What about the reponse to the AZ Undocumented Worker Law? It’s divisive and anti taxpayer.

        After decades of voting for Democrats, I’ve decided that they have divided the country into too many sub-groups and thus have divided the country. Our problems are very serious and this approach of catering (paying off with taxpayer money) to these sub groups is an obstacle to solving them.

        I’ve had enough.

  22. I think his argument boils down to – “OK, the voters kicked our ass by passing Prop 209 to ban affirmative action, then the California Supreme Court, over only one dissent, upheld Prop 209. You know, if my cause can only get one vote in the friggin’ California Supreme Court, maybe its time to give up on this whole racial-preference thing.”

    1. When the Democrats see their numbers among middle and lower class white workers this November, that sentiment will only grow. But a few newspaper opeds don’t mean much. Liberals still run the party and they will never give up affirmative action.

    2. I know that another poster called this editorialist a conservative, but if so, he’s the kind of conservative who doesn’t think racial preferences which discriminate against whites hurt whites. If that’s conservatism, then they’ve really defined conservatism down.

  23. Police officers can top and harrass anyone they want. They can arrest ANYONE for disordery conduct and make an individual stay in jail for days…just to have the charges dismissed. And, the police can do this with impunity.

    This LAW is a political statement. Believe it or not WTF, many of us know this. We are just disappointed that the state is actually legislating the increase of LEGAL CONTACT for Latinos. That is what we don’t like.

    When Guilliani imposed the ‘STOP-AND-FRISK’ program in NYC, it significantly increased the LEGAL CONTACT of blacks/latinos. And, this LEGAL CONTACT was not executed by some BULL CONNOR cops, it was executed by many black/latino cops. It’s called RACISM WITHOUT THE RACIST.

    And, I don’t think you would want this to happend to you or your loved ones. It’s rather embarassing to be spread-eagle on your car while you in-laws, boss, or neighbors drive by when you are doing NOTHING WRONG.

    It’s plain and simple. No matter if you are in NYC or ARIZONA. White Americans are OK with increasing legal contacts on everybody but themselves to obtain LOWER CRIME rates regardless if the crime is a $5 bag of weed or an immigration violation (which isn’t even a felony).

    1. and yet, it works to reduce crime

    2. “White Americans are OK with increasing legal contacts on everybody but themselves”

      They’re also lazy. And they love grape soda.

  24. “And note the slight of hand employed when he claims that “whites still make up the vast majority of federal employees.” Well, yes. Because they constitute a vast majority of the population. But according to the latest figures, available here, blacks represent 18 percent of the federal workforce and 13 percent of the United States population.”

    Duh. It should be fifty percent black, fifty percent white, and fifty percent female. That’s the ONLY fair way to do this.

  25. “Is there hard evidence that whites are hurt by affirmative action? No. Over the course of four decades of the program, white educational attainment has increased. And whites still make up the vast majority of federal employees.”

    Another problem with this question is that even if Rodriquez could actually measure white educational attainment accurately, it still wouldn’t prove that individual white people weren’t hurt by affirmative action policies. As a group, perhaps white people aren’t worse off on the average, but individual white people are surely discriminated against based on their race, which makes the policy immoral.

    1. Well, if you’re inclined to think only in terms of groups instead of the individuals that make up that group, you would naturally argue the way Gregory does.

  26. Gregory Rodriguez is oblivious to the truth. The real victims of affirmative action have been the supposed beneficiaries, the so called “minorities”. I know something about this subject. I’ll explain if you care to read on.

    I’m of Puerto Rican ancestry. I grew up in a NYC housing project on welfare with no father present. There was no affirmative action then. We were expected to go to school like everyone else, graduate and get a job.

    I graduated from Boys High (all boys, overwhelmingly poor and of African ancestry) then joined the Navy. After my enlistment, I took a test and got a job with the Customs Service.

    On my first day at work, I was told that the only reason Customs had hired me was because I was Puerto Rican. Try to imagine how I felt. I was at the top of my game, I thought, living the American dream. I was a Navy submarine veteran, second class petty officer, healthy, fit, bilingual and articulate. I had passed the Customs entrance exam with a nearly perfect score and had given a very good interview. I was a scrapper with a history of defending myself and my shipmates. In short, I was just the type of person the Customs Service needed.

    Yet, in spite of all this, many of my colleagues assumed that I had benefited from affirmative action.

    I had worked very hard to pull myself up from poverty and to shake off the stigma of having lived on welfare. And here I was, back at the bottom of the barrel. I had to work harder than my colleagues in order to prove myself worthy. Every time I got a promotion (based on merit), I looked over my shoulder for the naysayers, and there were always a few.

    As I said, I grew up before affirmative action, so I’m immune to the propaganda. But many who were born into the stigma of inferiority have come to believe it. And what’s worse many of their fellow Americans have come to believe it and to view them as inferior, which might explain their support for the program.

    Affirmative action has spawned a permanent underclass whose members grow up believing that special preferences and handouts are a birthright. Our public schools perpetuate that mindset.

    Yet there may still be time to reverse the damage. So, Rodriquez is correct but for the wrong reasons. We need to end preferences based on ancestry or skin color before they do irreversible damage to the intended beneficiaries. (Note: I do not use the word race nor its derivatives because I believe the concept of race is bogus. There is nothing in Human DNA to differentiate us into races. We are one people with different shades of skin pigmentation).

    I wrote a children’s book, “Joey Gonzalez, Great American” to encourage children of African and Spanish Ancestry to have pride in their roots, to recognize that their bloodlines carry strength, courage and intelligence and to understand that they don’t need special preferences in order to succeed. But most of all, I want them to know that they are Americans first and foremost and that, no matter their skin color or ancestry, they don’t need affirmative action to become GREAT AMERICANS.

    Tony Robles

    1. Tony–you hit it on the head. The real AA damage is to the minorities. I grew up before the “Civil Rights” era; I remember seeing “No Colored” signs and asking my mother what that meant. In typical mother fashion, her answer was “it means we don’t do business with them”. I still didn’t know what it meant.

      We knew a Black MD. I remember my parents marvelling over that–not that a Black was capable of becoming an MD, but that one could do so in spite of the unfair obstacles. We considered that person someone really special.

      Today–you see a Black MD and the presumption is: AA.

      I also believe that the resentment among the majority is larger than ever and more destructive than the outright discrimination of yesteryear. Whites cannot overtly discriminate, but there is always a way.

      A famous quote hit it on the head: “You do not right a wrong by doing wrong”

    2. Well said Tony. I had no trouble in my classes at the best school I could get into even though I was working full time nights. Yes I feel that I should have gone to a more challenging school but Affirmative Action saw to it that I didn’t qualify. Most of our engineering classes required that the students work in groups on projects to be graded together. It quickly regressed to a mad dash to find members that weren’t spanish/black/or female. I feel that racism is exasperated by this quota system and teaches students at a young age to protect themselves by excluding some minorities. When you don’t know a person the human mind tries to evaluate them as quickly as possible (behavioral science 101) and when you get stuck with a Spanish woman study partner in Differential Equations and have to do all the work yourself… even I learn pretty quick to label groups. This woman admitted to me that she was a Sophomore in her 4th year and only had an 850 sat score but this school was free for her with grants and she was better in math than English… I found that most of the minority groups I worked with were very qualified and were great partners, but when given the choice and I had no other evidence to go on I would shy away from those groups. I believe this is like a cancer in our society and people are more likely to discriminate in real world scenarios not because they are racist but because they are trying to protect their jobs and reputations. Picture being a team leader at GE building aircraft engines (as I have) You have a raw group of engineers under you to assign tasks to. Who’s work would you trust to get done on time and accurately the next day so that my supervisor would be happy? I have spent many a nights doing peoples work just in case I had to disregard said persons shoddy work. Usually this was done in vain because the person in question was quite qualified, but I still have this doubt. I feel ashamed to admit this about myself and even I didn’t notice it until I read articles like this one. I grew up poor and in a mixed community and to this day my best friend is black so it is hard for me to think of myself as racist. I hate what Affirmative Action has done to me as well as to the hardworking majority of deserved minority students and professionals.

  27. So if we obliterate all racial preference programs, the free market should, over time, arrange society such that race would not be a factor that correlates directly with poverty/wealth measures and the like?

    I don’t hate that argument – but how do the government policies damage the achievement of that end? Do they not hasten it?

  28. Why do blacks constitute more of the federal as well as state and local govt workforce? It’s easy. You don’t have to work as hard as in the private sector.

    1. Out of all the comments I’ve read so far, this is the most overtly racist one. You are an idiot.

      1. How do you account for the statistic without racism being a factor?

    2. When I went to the IRS building(Houston), I was shocked to find out most of the federal employee there are blacks. Of course it’s not racism, it’s “affirmative action” at work. There is certainly no “diversity” in that building. This is just my limited observation. But apparently you too.

  29. How about if we just re-direct ALL of the current spending toward blacks living below the poverty line (i.e. the inner cities)? Oh…but that would take the money OUT of the hands of the “race” industry; that cabal of race-baiting educated blacks, paternalistic white liberals, and the entire coterie of talking heads, academics, and social workers. You know…the greedy buggers who couldn’t care less about the poverty stricken blacks that really need help.

  30. Some now want to end minority preferences because caucasians will soon be a minority in this country, even sooner if Obama gives amnesty to illegal aliens.

    1. Some now want to end minority preferences because caucasians will soon be a minority in this country, even sooner if Obama gives amnesty to illegal aliens.

      They’ll just redefine what ‘minority’ means, or use some other term.

  31. Blacks in the US went from being slaves to being “victims”, a culture and mindset perpetuated by the perceived need for preferential treatment in order to compete.

    Why has this situation lasted for decades, something no one in the 60’s would have imagined? Because the Liberal establishment needs “victims” as constituents to justify their demand for more and bigger government to right these “moral outrages”. Additionally, Black leadership is built on the “unique” victim status of their people, and if Blacks enter the mainstream all the Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons will find themselves jobless and powerless.

    Anyone who believes racial preferences are truly meant to help Blacks achieve equality [whatever that is] misses the power politics which conspire to keep them in a “victim’s” position.

  32. Thank you for bringing some rational fact-based logic to the emotional racial discussion.

  33. Oh, and let’s not forget, there isn’t an injustice if blacks are underrepresented anywhere – as is usually the case, a rational factor other than skin color explains the discrepancy; like, intelligence or the lack thereof.

    1. The idea that groups must be “represented” proportionally to their population size is ridiculous.

      What should matter is talent, skills, intelligence, suitability and other factors which qualify people for jobs.

      Do you demand that whites be proportionally represented in the NBA?
      Neither do I- I just want to see the best basketball players.

      That should be the criteria in all fields.

      1. Regarding the NBA and discrimination:
        I can only think of 2 reasons why Blacks are over represented in basketball:
        1)They are naturally better at it.
        2)They spend a lot of time practicing.

        If they are practicing more, couldn’t that mean that by practicing more reading or math would make them preform better in academics?
        If it is the case that blacks are naturally better at basketball, maybe they are not as good in other areas?

        If it not 1 or 2, then could it be that their schools are worse? It seems to me that if it is just practice, then they could just as easily practice academics instead.

  34. Affirmative actions hurt Asian Americans the most.

    One report says that it takes an Asian student a SAT score of 1550 (!!) compared to a less than 1250 for African Americans, for the Asian to make it into the same school. I guess this was done when SATs were calculated differntly.

    There are more colors in America than black and white.

    1. Affirmative action is just another form of “redistribution” of a society’s resources from the have’s to the have not’s, so there will always be losers as well as winners. And the losers are, by definition of what is being done by preferences, the more talented, skilled or in other ways better qualified groups.

  35. I have a similar story to the high SAT boys. We are a southern, rural family- daughter with mid 30s ACT(and two 36 subscores)applies to Duke- top 5 student, varsity athlete, team captain, district champion (tennis) and ROTC preference- rejected. I think the unintended consequence is that large state schools are now much more academically talented and competitive than in the past. The Ivy-type brand is diminished thereby.

    1. My child was rejected by Duke this year with a perfect SAT and high GPA. The school he is going to is tickled to death of having a substantial number of “high octane” asian students(Ivy league rejects) coming in.

  36. Funny, the author claims ‘But most poll data suggests that support for affirmative action has actually increased in the past decade….” yet when one clicks on the embedded link to view this alleged ‘proof’ ALL the questions at the site linked ask if the respondants approve or disapprove of the race relations work the president is or has done. Not a single reference to Affirmative Action, which of course is a Federal PROGRAM. So, Mikey, it appears you got caught by your own hook this time.

  37. Affirmative action casts a stigma on its so-called beneficiaries. I would not allow a black surgeon to operate on one of my children because I could not know whether the surgeon was an affirmative action surgeon or a real surgeon.

  38. When has Obama cared about “white blowback?” End racial prefferences because it doesn’t work… Not because of fear of whites…

  39. The reason some minorities have lower wages and income is because we don’t have the same economic system.
    A majority of blacks live in the inner cities that have high unions high taxes high regulations. Which leads to lower pay and higher poverty. Big government has really messed them up so what is the solution? Even bigger government through affirmative action!!

    Middle class blacks are now are now migrating to the Atlanta and Texas and figuring out that red state policies make it easier to get ahead…

    For true racial equality we need to end the destructive blue state policies that are a burden to minorities not a blessing.

  40. Why should there be any preferences other than merit?

    Why can’t we judge people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin?

  41. Why is there a congressional “black” caucus??

  42. Affirmative action is racist. It discriminates between groups of people based on their race.

    But whites are not the victims. Asians are. When race-based quotas are eliminated, whites see little benefit, but asians see their acceptance rates double.

    But the argument in this article is a simple one: we have gotten away with state-sanctioned racial discrimination for years – why give it up now?

    We should give it up because (a) it is discriminatory, (b) it creates racial divisions in the US instead of healing them, (c) they have outlived their usefulness, (d) the racial climate today is dramatically better than it was when affirmative action first was enacted, and (e) we have a president that promised to govern in a post-racial manner.

    1. But whites are not the victims.

      Perhaps not as a group. It depends on what metrics you use. But individual whites *have* been discriminated against government policies or actions. That is certain. Treating the existence of an individual as having meaning only as part of a larger group allows the discrimination against that individual if he or she is part of a larger group that is considered NOT discriminated against. This is wrong.

  43. Equal justice under law: THAT’S the reason discriminatory practises should be eliminated. No other reason is required.

    Free competition is what makes America great; anything else is distructive.

  44. I can, to some degree, understand some continued assistance to African-Americans. But I fail to understand why racial preferences should be granted to any other ethnic or minority group. I have no knowledge of Asian or Mexican slaves. White women were not so encumbered. Either sharpen the pencil and abandon all such programs.

    1. When you give preference to a particular racial group, that means someone more qualified will be bumped out. How long can blacks ask for preferential treatment using slavery as an excuse? Another 100 years? or 300 years? There are millions of whites, asians and other groups who have nothing to do whatsoever with slavery. Why should they or their children suffer as the result of AA or Diversity(different name, same game)? There are reasons why many blacks are behind-low education, high teen pregnancy, high incarceration rate, to name a few. I’ve seen new comers like the boat people from southeast asia and Africa with no money, no power(political, and no language(English). And yet they pulled themselves up within one generation through sheer hard work and determination, very often without any government handouts. What do you say say about that?

  45. “Why Should We End Racial Preferences?”

    Maybe because the fact that there have been so many minorities as President of the US, Secretary of State, Justice of the Supreme Court, Congressmen, Generals, attorneys, physicians and other professionals that it is obvious that the racial barriers to opportunity are gone. There is absolutely no evidence that any percentages are not due to attitude and/or ambition rather than opportunity.

  46. Racism is a multi-lane highway. Even the best intentioned people are usually guilty to some extent. It seems today that most racism (the hateful type) has decreased since the 60’s. However under this President racism has increased tremendously primarily because of the fact that the President himself has blatantly demonstrated racism. For us to overlook the fact that he falsely accused a white police officer of being racist, when in actuallity even the black offficer that accompanied him took the same action and declared that no racist attitude was displayed would be foolish on our part. And then to overlook the fact that he pardons a black panther activist who threatens to kill every white baby born at the voting polls. Conservatives and liberals had better wake up. Racism is alive and well at the White House. What a long ways this man is from the teaching of Martin Luther King!

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