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Why Mr. Anti-Bullshit Won't Call Out Islam or Scientology

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The Las Vegas Weekly conducts a survey of "the personalities who define Vegas," and judges Penn Jillette to be #1. Selections from the brief, reliably interesting interview:

Let's talk about your TV show Bullshit! Will you ever run out of theories to debunk and people to expose? If you build a kingdom on bullshit, you're not in danger of running out of it. Our producer says that Teller and I can take any subject in the news and do a credible show on it. Sure, we like to have a villain, something to call "bullshit" on, but if we don't, we can depart from that model.

Are there any groups you won't go after? We haven't tackled Scientology because Showtime doesn't want us to. Maybe they have deals with individual Scientologists—I'm not sure. And we haven't tackled Islam because we have families.

Meaning, you won't attack Islam because you're afraid it'll attack back … Right, and I think the worst thing you can say about a group in a free society is that you're afraid to talk about it—I can't think of anything more horrific. […]

You do go after Christians, though … Teller and I have been brutal to Christians, and their response shows that they're good fucking Americans who believe in freedom of speech. We attack them all the time, and we still get letters that say, "We appreciate your passion. Sincerely yours, in Christ." Christians come to our show at the Rio and give us Bibles all the time. They're incredibly kind to us. Sure, there are a couple of them who live in garages, give themselves titles and send out death threats to me and Bill Maher and Trey Parker. But the vast majority are polite, open-minded people, and I respect them for that.

Reason on Jillette here; on critiquing Islam here.

Also making the list at #3 is Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman; see Radley Balko's short-and-classic interview with Goodman from our June issue.

Link via the Twitter feed of Teller (#21).

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  1. ‘the personalities who define Vegas’ Is it a compliment, or an insult?

  2. I think the worst thing you can say about a group in a free society is that you’re afraid to talk about it?I can’t think of anything more horrific.

    So you are attacking Islam!

    1. posting your BS anonymously

      1. Identificationist!

      1. Angle bracket fail. If only we had preview here.

    2. I *heart* Penn & Teller!

      FI, Mohammed sucks and so does Allah. They take it doggie style from swine! My Halloween hijab has a pole dancer print.

      Where is my fatwa bitch?

      1. I want a fatwa too!

        1. I want a fatwa bitch too.

          1. Do any of you even know what a fatwa is?

            It’s a religious ruling by an Islamic clerical council. That’s it, nothing more. Not a death threat, not a jihad declaration.

            I hate to say it, but your ignorance and idiocracy is showing.

            1. “On 14 February 1989, a fatw? requiring Rushdie’s execution was proclaimed on Radio Tehran by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini”

              Sometimes it is a death threat though…

            2. I want the death threat one, or at least a banning.

              1. Not an html Ninja? How are we suppose to buy into the cute Asian girl shtick if you can’t code?

            3. Idiocracy is a movie, not a personality flaw.

            4. You didn’t hate to say it, you loved saying it. You loved saying it so much you said it without impetus, as no one before you mentioned a fatwa being a death threat. C’mon, you felt you knew more than everyone and couldn’t stand not being the center of attention. And since you know what a fatwa is, you probably know as well as me that there are quite a few groups out there willing to kill those who break specific rulings. Oh, and your egotistical pomposity is showing.

      2. Are you trying to say that you <3 Penn & Teller?

        1. Yep! Wish I was a html Ninja like you 😉

    3. Fatwa, no they aren’t attacking islam, they just have an opinion. That must be hard for you to accept, but tough.

  3. Im guessing because they are the biggest cults in the world, right behind the Catholics anyways.

    Lou
    http://www.web-anonymity.mx.tc

    1. In other news, the anon-bot types ‘l’ when it meant ‘n’, again.

      1. What are Cathonics?

        1. Cults -> Cunts

          1. Thank goodness we had a representative from the Humor Assistance Department around to make sure everyone could be in on the joke. Thanks Sean.

        2. Maybe they meant Cthonics.

  4. You know a religion is finished when they stop killing their critics. Christianity is there. Islam…give it a couple more centuries.

    1. Actually christianity is returning to its founding tenets. They are told to love their enemies, and turn the other cheek when beaten.

      1. maybe it will lead to all those loving christians ending up muslims…

        1. No, birth control and getting outbred is the main reason Islam is likely to displace Christianity as the #1 religion in the world.

          The violent takeover of areas and killing non-Muslims in areas they control will contribute, but birth rates are the main driver of Islam’s growing numbers.

          1. Hey, it worked for the catholics….well, the brown portion at least.

          2. Drop condoms, not bombs!

          3. However, the average age of muslims in the middle east is under 25 years of age. The younger generation will completely sweep out the older generation causing a revolution in the thinking of the muslim world, which will be similar to the cultural revolution of the 1960’s. Their fertility may be their culture’s final undoing.

            1. That’s an optimistic scenario. I hope you are right.

          4. No, birth control and getting outbred is the main reason Islam is likely to displace Christianity as the #1 religion in the world.

            The violent takeover of areas and killing non-Muslims in areas they control will contribute, but birth rates are the main driver of Islam’s growing numbers.

            The obvious solution is for Christian teenage girls to put out more often without using any form of contraception.

    2. Atheism still alive and kicking, then!

    3. Yeah, which is why Christianity was basically wiped out when it was disestablished in the 1780 Constitution. Oh, wait.

  5. Again, the bizarre reality where Christians can be mocked because even the most thin-skinned will not actually do anything to their tormentors, but Islam inspires too many credible sociopaths to touch.

    While this may reflect reality, it makes Jillette and the like look more like cowardly bullies than brave truth tellers.

    1. Maybe…but then again, that’s easy to say. Why don’t YOU get a show?

    2. Penn & Teller are public and accessible, while you and I can hide safely and securely in our anonymity. Show us that you yourself are not a “coward” by publishing your real name and home address. Thanks.

      1. They have made a choice to be public figures, and to speak politically. MJ, has not, AFAIK. I only abuse people who won’t fight back strikes me as cowardly, stupid and frankly, they bore me.

        1. Hrm… I bet you’re the type when really confronted you piss all over yourself right? Anyone who says “they just bore me” needs to curl up in a running car in a closed garage with their van morrison collection playing and accept the exciting conclusion to their self-absorbed existence.

        2. Verbal assaults are easier to deal with than having your head cut off on camera and broadcast on the internet… as well as having the lives of your wife and children in jeopardy. It’s not “cowardly” to not want to criticize a group for fear that they might brutally murder you and your family.

      2. Mohammed sucks pig dicks and takes it in the face.

        OK, my address is:

        Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office
        Mesa, AZ 85210

        Come and get me, Abdul, you gutless camel-fucker.

        1. I object to the use of the term “gutless.”

      3. dash boy-

        Despite the fact that you are obviously a pathetic little cuntnugget

        Scott F. Fletcher
        4195 Waterside Pl.
        Grove City, OH 43123

        Please knock on my door!

        1. I used to live near Grove City, well closer to London. But same area.

        2. I’m from Grove City, live near Commercial Point now.

    3. What’s cowardly about refusing to provoke people who may attack your family, now?

      1. What’s brave about continuing to provoke people who will never attack, or respond?

        1. I don’t consider Penn and Teller particularly brave, actually…well, except when it comes to things like juggling broken glass or firing guns at each other. But they get attacked for what they say all of the time– verbally, the same way they attack. And they do the show, obviously, because they think being attacked verbally is worth attacking what they see as bullshit. Apparently they don’t think attacking bullshit is worth putting their families in danger, and I can’t say as I blame them.

          1. Isn’t that part of the essence of being a bully though? Bullies attack one group because they know there will be no response and they avoid attacking another group where they know they will get their asses kicked.

            1. They are far from bullies, bullies expect no response. Penn and Teller expect response in kind. Which they get en masse, so to say they are cowards because they only challenge those that would fight fair is like saying someone is anti-patriotic because they challenge the decision of an elected official. Do you see the falsity of your claims now???

            2. They are far from bullies, bullies expect no response. Penn and Teller expect response in kind. Which they get en masse, so to say they are cowards because they only challenge those that would fight fair is like saying someone is anti-patriotic because they challenge the decision of an elected official. Do you see the falsity of your claims now???

            3. They are far from bullies, bullies expect no response. Penn and Teller expect response in kind. Which they get en masse, so to say they are cowards because they only challenge those that would fight fair is like saying someone is anti-patriotic because they challenge the decision of an elected official. Do you see the falsity of your claims now???

              1. Sorry for the triple post

        2. They attack ideas, technically.

      2. If your schtick is mocking people’s views and beliefs, only going after groups who will only stand there and take it or, at worst, write an angry letter is not terribly admirable. It may be understandable, but not admirable.

        Also, it tells extremist groups that the way to avoid public criticism is to kill a few critics. I think Jillette is actually encouraging violence on the part of Islamists by rewarding their sociopathy in this way.

        1. Perhaps they should do an episode of Bullshit about how they don’t want to do an episode of Bullshit on Islam.

          1. Calling bullshit on themselves? That would be interesting.

            1. Oddly enough, Penn has said that, at the end of the show’s run, he wants to do an episode of Bullshit! specifically about the show itself.

              1. But what did Teller say?

          2. Thanks, but no thanks, I don’t want my TV to implode.

        2. Right, but as others have said, they’re public figures that are easily accessible. Also noted is that by reading this article they obviously think all religion is bullshit; that’d include Islam.

          Why should they endanger patrons to their vegas shows and their own families by provoking a response from psychopaths?

          1. I’d imagine that Islam and Scientology would be rather irrelevant to most of their audience anyway.

            Its not like Al Jazeera will be giving Penn a 1 hr block anytime soon.

            1. Riigghhhttt 0– cuz there’s nothing going on right now in US policy that has anything to do with Islam.

    4. In Penn and Teller’s defense, I don’t think they go after Christianity simply for the sake of being bullies. They include it in their large portfolio of things they feel are irrational, foolish, and worth mocking. And they do it with style and humor. As a Christian myself, I can respect that.

      Christians, as a rule, are pretty mellow about this sort of thing. If Muslims lack the same confidence in their beliefs, or insist on throwing tantrums at every offense then that’s just sad.

      1. If Muslims lack the same confidence in their beliefs, or insist on throwing tantrums at every offense then that’s just sad.

        This.

        1. I mean, SHIT, i sit around and have my beliefs mocked constantly. Clearly I’m just not beheading enough muthafuckers.

      2. Yes, those particular psychopaths who happen to be Muslims are pretty pathetic. (Most Muslims, it bears repeating in this den of Mohammed-drawing, are not in this category.)

        But who is more pathetic; the pathetic one, or the one who is afraid of the pathetic?

        1. The crackhead who wants to mug me is also pathetic. But i shouldn’t be afraid of his grubby hands and broken bottle, got it. Thx Tulpa.

          Clearly i need to man up if i want to be a proper NetToughGuy.

        2. Your average gang-banger is pretty pathetic too Tulpa. You gonna go piss on his shoes to prove you aren’t afraid of the pathetic?

          1. I don’t make a living pissing on people’s shoes.

            I gave Penn two options to change my opinion that he is a coward: mock Islam on an equal basis with Christianity, or stop mocking religion altogether. In your example, the second option becomes “don’t piss on anyone’s shoes”, which happens to be the course of action I follow in real life.

            1. So you live by false dichotomies? Great to know you haven’t learned the basics of logic yet!

            2. By your reasoning, if I refuse to criticize the deranged police officer holding a gun to my head, I am a coward who has no right to ever criticize any police officer.
              I don’t believe it works that way.

              1. Seeing as how Matt Welch and Nick Gillespie and their respective families are still alive and well, I don’t think a comparison to having a gun to your head is apt.

                Let me put it this way: if I habitually criticized cops in other cities and states, but then refused to criticize Pennsylvania troopers and Pittsburgh cops because they might come to my house and beat the shit out of me on some trumped-up warrant, then I would be a coward too.

            3. I piss on your shoes.

              1. I throw dog poop on your shoes!

        3. Provoking psychopaths is different from being afraid of them. I don’t hold any fear about islam, but at the same time I’m not going to invite any muslim extremists into my home.

      3. we have discovered the way to grow libertarianism. Kill every asshole who won’t submit to freedom. I like it, I like it a lot.

        1. Plus populate the world freely with our offspring.

          1. Well, that goes without saying We’re irresponsible libertines, right? Meet me at the hot tub at 2100 hours.

    5. Again, the bizarre reality where Christians can be mocked because even the most thin-skinned will not actually do anything to their tormentors, but Islam inspires too many credible sociopaths to touch.

      If Christians are unwilling to defend their faith and God, while Muslims are willing to defend their faith and God, whom will receive God’s favor?

  6. I guess Jillette will just have to take consolation in his tax dollars contributing to the murder of hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

    1. At least it’s a constitutionally- mandated function of government.
      I do question your figures. Shouldn’t the total be offset by all the Muslim lives “created or saved” by those same policies?

      1. “created or saved”?!

        Do you mean to tell me that the US Military is “creating” lives over in Iraq?

        No wonder Iraqi husbands are going postal when they learn the source of their offspring.

        1. You have to count the ones who aren’t being fed into Saddam’s people shredders.

      2. “At least it’s a constitutionally- mandated function of government.”

        Waging undeclared preventive wars?

        “Shouldn’t the total be offset by all the Muslim lives ‘created or saved’ by those same policies?”

        Created? Now here’s a guy with a lot of faith in government power. What’s your estimate for Muslim lives created by the war in Iraq? Ballpark it for me.

        1. What’s your estimate for Muslim lives created by the war in Iraq? Ballpark it for me.

          If you believe the most extreme anti-sanctions studies, then you would actually get lives created. Of course, I didn’t believe those studies were quite accurate when they came out.

          1. Exactly what I was referring to.

          2. No, you would get lives saved.

            1. This is a far stupider thing than Obama’s jobs “created or saved” talking point.

              1. I thought it was meant as a snarky putdown of the “created or saved” meme.

                1. Thats exactly what it was, prolefeed. Surprised people took it seriously.

                2. a is the only comenter who misunderstood it
                  a is likely short for- a TEAM BLUE Cheerleader

                  They came spilling out of the woodwork for the Weigel thread

        2. It depends. If you count turning laid-back cultural Muslims into radical extremist Muslims willing to engage in terror as “creation”, then the War In Iraq has been a boon indeed.

          1. isn’t this why Bin Laden wanted us there?

          2. If you count turning laid-back cultural Muslims into radical extremist Muslims willing to engage in terror as “creation”, then the War In Iraq has been a boon indeed.

            So, you admit that “cultural muslims” are really all murderous pieces of shit who can activated by “offense” given from the Great Satan?

            Exactly what I have been saying. Insult a mohammadean and his sick “culture” is likely to turn him into a murderous thug.

            1. “Insult” is a pretty huge understatement when discussing what US foreign policy has done toward Muslims over the past decade.

              I would think, hell, hope, that if China invaded California for no reason and kept having oopsies where they killed innocent people in the course of looking for the bad guys, that many Americans outside California would get pissed. A fair number of them would probably seek opportunities to kill Chinese civilians in China, too.

              1. “Insult” is a pretty huge understatement when discussing what US foreign policy has done toward Muslims over the past decade.

                Unless of course you also count what Muslim inter-sect policy has done in comparison over the same time frame.

                The “understatement” is the downplaying or complete obfuscation of the degree to which politics and financial incentives infect what is termed a ‘religion’, as though the worship of a deity alone could produce this behavior.

                It’s not personal, Sonny. It’s strictly business.

              2. I would think, hell, hope, that if China invaded California for no reason and kept having oopsies where they killed innocent people in the course of looking for the bad guys, that many Americans outside California would get pissed. A fair number of them would probably seek opportunities to kill Chinese civilians in China, too.

                But when the rag-head kills 3k Americans there is no reason for Americans to be pissed? No reason for them “seek opportunities to kill rag-heads”? I know you don’t give a shit for your fellow citizens. I will never forget.

                1. Of course there was reason for Americans to be pissed. I have no problem with the invasion of AFG and hunting down and killing al-Qaeda allies there, though at this point it looks like a pretty lost cause.

                  Oh, and guess what, we’ve killed 4x as many Iraqi civilians — who personally and as a nation had absolutely zilch to do with 9/11 — as we lost on 9/11. Of course seeing as how I’m responding to a guy who spews ethnic slurs at the drop of a hat, not sure why I’m bothering with that tidbit.

              3. We did far, far worse things in Germany. That explains why there are all these German suicide bombers.

              4. I would think, hell, hope, that if China invaded California for no reason and kept having oopsies where they killed innocent people in the course of looking for the bad guys, that many Americans outside California would get pissed. A fair number of them would probably seek opportunities to kill Chinese civilians in China, too.

                So why have not any of the events that Radley Balko wrote about resulted in retaliatory violence against police and prosecutors?

        3. Ballparked: Saddam was in power for 24 years, and if you add up civilian executions, massacres of Kurds, and the aggressive war against Iran, it comes out to 70-125 civilian deaths per day.

          1. We’re not as bad as Saddam! Hooray!

            1. Not as bad as before: the story of all human progress.

              1. By that standard, Saddam was getting better as time progressed, so there was no point to removing him. All the episodes you mention occurred before 1993.

      3. At least it’s a constitutionally- mandated function of government.

        Killing uppity brown people != Defending America.

        1. They aren’t “brown”, in fact they’re “white”

          WAR is a constitutionally-mandated function of government whether you like it or not

          1. Strange. I don’t remember a Declaration of War. Was I asleep then?

            Section 8 – Powers of Congress

            To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

            No, I read the notes from when I was sleeping and didn’t see it there either.

            ONCE AGAIN, THE POWER TO DECLARE WAR IS NOT AN EXECUTIVE FUNCTION.

            1. Apparently declaring war is another of those constitutional antiquities. Modern political expedience calls for just ignoring such things.

            2. What do you think the Authorization of the Use of Force is, amigo?

              1. I think it’s not a declaration of war (and is intentionally designed not to be a declaration of war, so Congressvermin can deny voting for war if the war goes badly, a la Hillary).

                Ron Paul introduced a declaration of war against Iraq in the House back in 2003 and it died in committee.

                1. RP’s “declaration” was a other worded authorization. The Congress likes to keep some powers to itself vs. the suicide pact Dr. Paul proposed.

              2. —What do you think the Authorization of the Use of Force is, amigo?—

                I keep forgetting. We have a “Living Constitution”. The actual words don’t really matter. If the words in the Constitution don’t happen to allow what you want to do, just redefine the words. I looked, and there is no “Authorization for Use of Force” power.

                So now we have to listen to all of the “time of War” rhetoric and accompanying restrictions on liberty and rights, and the only person who supposedly has the power to define the limits of Government war power is the President as CinC.

                Even during the Revolution, when Washington was Commanding General, the Congress established the goals and general strategy for the Army and Washington was tasked with carrying out the wishes of Congress. This is the actual CinC authority. Civilian control of the military under the direction of Congress, not unilateral power of the Executive. That is why a Declaration of War is needed, to establish the reasons and limits of the War.

                1. Do you have a form number and wording for that war declaration? If not the authorization should work fine.

              3. +1 the master of the Lewis & Clarke adventure.

            3. Is functionally passing a bill that gives the president specific permission to attack another country a declaration of war? It sounds like one to me, even though we don’t call it that.

              1. No, it isn’t. A declaration of war REQUIRES the president to fight the other country. The AUMF leaves the decision up to him, which is unconstitutional.

                The modern habit of AUMFs arises from congressional desire to not be responsible for the decision to go to war (since wars sometimes become unpopular as they progress). This happens to be exactly why Congress is given the decision to go to war, not the president — they are more accountable to the people.

                1. they are more accountable to the people.

                  Except of course when they choose not to be.

                  Which must be what, 96% of the time?

                2. Commander In Chief gets to send forces into battle. Just ask Thomas Jefferson. The Congress can cutoff money for that and stop it. Or the Congress can ask the President to go beat someone up and he does not really have to obey them.

                  1. For short-term strikes, yes. For eight years and counting balls-to-the-wall military campaigns, no.

                  2. Also, the President is required to act if Congress declares war. Refusal to do so would be grounds for impeachment.

                3. I always thought a declaration of war said, in essence, “We are now at war with country X. Diplomatic relations are severed. All citizens of X are to be expelled or imprisoned. The President is to conduct this war in the best manner likely to secure a quick and decisive victory.”

                  We declared war in WWII. Why not use THAT as a template. Or at least expect future declarations to live up to it?

              2. The Constitution deals both with situations where Congress alone has to decide an issue, and with situations where Congress authorizes a presidential decision. The latter situations are referred to as giving “advice and consent”.

                The language about the declaration of war does not refer to advice and consent. It refers to a power that Congress alone can decide to exercise.

                1. Google “U.S. Declaration of War on Japan”. Pretty straight-forward.

                  I’d link to it but can’t seem to be able to format text with this interface.

          2. War is a constitutionally-permitted function of government, not mandated (except in the case of a US state being invaded).

          3. Lol, Mid-Easterners are not white.

    2. Since when did Planned Parenthood open offices in muslim dominated communities?

      1. muwahahahahahahaha!

      2. Exactly what I was thinking…

      3. The world would be a far better place if they did (and miraculously weren’t bombed).

      4. blackjeezus, I responded to your dumb ass.

    3. And aggravated that not nearly enough of the bastards are being killed.

    4. That is so fucking straw man. The US goberment killing Muslims has nothing to do with calling bullshit on the religion itself.

      1. Actually, it’s related, and a valid point. Killing muslims instigates fear and when people are scared they’re more willing to accept irrational arguments like “Allah wants you to kill jews!”

        Take a look at the Patriot Act. Based entirely off of some muslims killing some Americans. Sure, take some of our liberty!

        Two sides of the same coin: Fear breeds corruption and power.

        1. So, killing Italians fueled WWII?

        2. Muslims have been attacking Jews since before America was discovered. In fact, they’ve been attacking Jews since before there was an English language. Maybe Penn & Teller really do need to a Bullshit! on Islam.

  7. I’m constantly confused as to why mentions of my name lead to such disquietude. I really can’t figure out why the kuffar do it — lack of fard al-ayn seems like a good enough theory. After all, I’m in Firdaus, and the yahudi are where I left them in 632.

    1. The Cow.

  8. Meaning, you won’t attack Islam because you’re afraid it’ll attack back …

    So Mr. Bullshit is afraid of Muslims firing back with a little constructive criticism, eh?

    1. “So Mr. Bullshit is afraid of Muslims firing back with a little deconstructive criticism, eh?”

      Fixed.

      1. Sounds more like they are afraid of muslims firing rockets through their living room windows.

        1. I would be, too. That could mess up the flow of my day something fierce.

  9. When you can die for drawing a cartoon that insults Islam, you have to think twice before calling it a pile of bullshit.

  10. Our problem isn’t with Bullshit! per se. Our only question: is it Halal Bullshit?

    1. All religion inspired dietary mandates (and almost all pop culture derived diets*) are bullshit.

      * There must be one book out there that says eat a balanced and tasty diet, and don’t sweat the small stuff.

      1. That restriction on pork I gave to the Muslims and Jews, not bullshit. I was sending a message, stop pissing me off.

        1. Because you’re a pig and hate to see your brethren skewered and eaten?

          1. Oh, Zoltan, those confined in the Century of their material existence amuse me for the lack of any supple flow in their thought processes. Shining light on the underlying nature of the world is more in my adversary’s nature, but this one gives me sadistic pleasure, so, please bear with me.

            Cannibalism is for the most part frowned upon in your time and space (I really had nothing to do with your evolving mores, all his work). For tens of thousands of years, however, you were more likely to be eaten by your neighbor than to die of old age. The joy of cannibalism is such that viral predations evolved to take advantage of your dietary lust.

            It is no wonder that you thought so highly of yourselves as a dining experience. Your meat is yummy and sweet, and taste, well, exactly like pig.

            Pig is a substitute for cannibalism.

            I deny Jews and Muslims the experience of satiating your most primal nature until the day my chosen and my elect finally do something that pleases me.

            1. At what altar may I worship your greatness, Sir?

              1. Nothing fancy. Just think of me the next time you set your teeth into some baby back ribs.

      2. Not dietary related, but I always get a good laugh seeing a Christian take the ‘turn the other cheek’ mumbo jumbo literally. I grab my celestial seasoned popcorn, and root, ‘do it! do it!’, and they do it with this satisfied look on their faces, as if they have just fulfilled a divine purpose when all I want out of it is to see some Christians get bitch slapped.

        1. It’s good to be tha king.

      3. The New Testament.

        See Peter’s vision in Acts for one example.

        Acts 10:10-15 (NIV)

        10[Peter] became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

        14″Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

        15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

        1. Mmmm….lion burger with bacon…..

          1. Anyone here actually eaten some lion? I bet it tastes terrible.

            1. Tastes like chick…Oh, fuck it.

            2. It waqs being towed too fast for me to get a taste ):

      4. Here is the complete contents of the best weight loss regimen, guaranteed to work if you follow it:

        Eat smaller portions.

        Eat lower-calorie stuff that’s more nutritious.

        Exercise more.

        Stick to it, month after month.

        It’s hard to sell such a short book.

        1. Sorry you are repeating Bullshit(TM) conventional wisdom. Try this instead: Throw out bread, pasta, rice, candy, cereal, ice cream (all carbs except vegetables). Eat as much meat as you want. Yes seriously, try it.
          And when you ‘exercise’ use power law distribution – meaning SPRING instead of jogging.

          1. I’m telling you what has actually worked for me. If that is also conventional wisdom, whatever.

            1. It’s science.

              1. It’s science.

                Burn more joules than you consume.

                The ONLY guaranteed weight loss plan.

                1. True, all Contemplationist was saying is that it’s probably easier for a lot of people to get into calorie deficit when they ditch the carbs. It helps, too, when your body starts primarily burning fat instead of sugar.

            2. I’ll back you up prolefeed. Small portions is a big key – you have to stick with it too… It is hard for about two weeks as you adjust, then you’ll be satisfied with much less. You can’t have “cheat days” where you gorge yourself either, because you’ll stretch out and get used to big portions again. Then you have to go through the pain all over again.

              If you stick to small portions you are 80% + the way there. You don’t even have to do the exercise bit to lose weight, although you need it for other reasons. Drop high calorie foods and stick to small portions and you’ve pretty much got the formula.

              I heard it explained this way: Let’s say you are on a maintenance diet; that is you are eating exactly the amount of calories that you need to stay the same weight. Then you just add in one little treat, like a candy bar from the vending machines. Just that little extra 200 calories a day couldn’t mean much, right? At the end of the year you will have gained 25 pounds. Wow.

              So if you learn from that – drop the extra calories that you don’t need – you’ll drop weight like crazy. Don’t get fries with that. Don’t get a candy bar. And don’t finish that whole plate at the restaurant.

  11. Mr. Anti-Bullshit needs to explain why the Vatican episode is not included in the Season 7 DVD’s and has been removed from the Showtime list of episodes for Season 7.

    1. I heard the Vatican would be really, really, really mad at me.

      1. OK, the truth is I jumped the shark a long time ago. I am in it for the money bitches! Fuck creative control.

    2. He did explain it. Penn & Teller weren’t informed that it would be excluded from the DVD. They suspect that the station was afraid of backlash, but they could never get any answers from corporate.

      1. Pmain, what is and is not included would have been in THEIR contracts.

        1. Maybe. Or maybe their contract stipulates a simple percentage of merchandising revenue so that they don’t have to worry about the ins-and-outs of producing the DVDs. I haven’t read their contract, and neither have you.

          1. Don’t be the R word. Wait, this applies: Don’t be retarded

            1. Penn seemed very sincere in his explanation. I don’t think he was lying when he said that the episode was omitted without his knowledge.

        2. Doubtful. Showtime owns the show. Dummy.

      2. Lets be fair: do YOU want to be molested in retribution?

        1. DID SOMEONE CALL ME?

  12. We haven’t tackled Scientology because Showtime doesn’t want us to. Maybe they have deals with individual Scientologists?I’m not sure.

    Plus, any libertarian has to have a grudging respect for an organization that routinely hands the IRS its ass.

    Moliere|6.26.10 @ 11:06AM|#
    Mr. Anti-Bullshit needs to explain why the Vatican episode is not included in the Season 7 DVD’s and has been removed from the Showtime list of episodes for Season 7.

    Indeed. That’s the question.

    1. Scientology has been known to sue the hell out of people who defame them. Showtime probably does not want to deal with that.

      1. Any chance of Islam switching to the lawsuit approach?

        1. Blasphemy!

        2. CAIR & co. ring any bells? Screams and suits over every staged “They killed my babies (who I absolutely did not stick in that known terrorist hideout after the US announced its plan to level the building… really)!” Of course, lawfare is a pale substitute for beheadings and bombings, so it’s only to be used while maintaining the “peaceful” facade.

        3. Damn, you just made me realize a point in favor of Islam.

          1. Er, you would rather be killed than sued?

            1. Well, if a guy shouts Allah Akbar and tries to stab you in the face, and you shoot, you’re probably ok as long as you don’t live in the suicidally idiotic parts of the U.S.

              If a guy tries to sue you and you try that, you go to jail.

              1. Tell that to the people of Fort Hood, TX.

            2. You’re a lawyer, aren’t you?

      2. Scientology has been known to sue the hell out of people who mention them. A credible claim of defamation is not necessary

        1. In the Futurama episode Hell Is Other Robots, there was a “Church of Robotology”. Matt Groening received a call while the script was still in development from a Scientologist who thought they were making fun of Scientology. He had to point out some differences between the church and Scientology before the guy would let it go.

          They have some long tentacles.

          1. Long, rapey, hentacles.

      3. Not just sue, but go after personally. They get some of their more fanatic members to follow and harass anti-Scientologists. Pretty close to the Islamists, although the usually stop short of murder.

        1. Oh man, now I’m tempted. Can i get someone to videotape me beating their ass, that would be classic.

          1. Sure, I’ve got a good camera, and I’d enjoy watching that. Just let me know where and when.

            1. Beat the shit outta John Travolta for starters.

    2. Seriously, with all the goofy-ass religions and cults out there, only Scientology has made me think paring back the freedom of religion by restricting what counts as a religion is a good idea.

      Though I suspect some simple changes to the tax code and copyright law would suffice to seriously screw over the CoS. For instance, making nonprofit organizations ineligible to hold copyrights, which makes sense for other reasons (ie, if you’re surviving off the public teat, then your work should be in the public domain).

      1. made me think paring back the freedom of religion by restricting what counts as a religion is a good idea.

        Surprise, surprise…

        1. To be fair, they leave me conflicted. When Germany banned them, it was hard for me to work up any indignation. SLD: Germany should not have done that.

          And I think Tulpa’s anti-copyright idea is a pretty good one, actually.

          1. I second the copyright idea.

          2. Germany did not ban Scientology. They instead kept them under watch and continue to. Too many loopholes for Scientology to use to keep from being banned.

            However, they were banned outright in Greece, and a portion of Kazakhstan. Found guilty of fraud in France, and are under investigation in Australia, Belgium, and now the UK. The US won’t touch them for several legal reasons, despite being able to with the Mormons and Catholics.

      2. Nonprofits don’t all “survive off the public teat.” Many publish books and periodicals, and denying them copyrights would be unfair.

        If you want a reason to outlaw a religion (or at least deny them protected nonprofit status), I’d say go after any that kill apostates.

        1. If they want the benefit of copyrights, they can pay taxes. Nothing unfair about that. And yes, I realize this includes the Reason Foundation, which seems to be gung ho about opposing copyright law until it comes time to stick the “All rights reserved” at the bottom of their own works, e.g. this webpage.

          AFAIK, it is illegal to kill or conspire to kill apostates already, notwithstanding the freedom of religion.

          1. At least get rid of the idea that a religion can have trade secrets.

  13. Best Mohamed quote

    “Cut the mustaches short and and leave the beard.”

    the guy was truly a visionary

    1. I once spent some time at a hovel near Medina and that guy appeared asking for a meal. After he ate the porridge he came over to share a hookah with the rest of us.

      I asked him, “do you recognize me?”

      He said, “should I?”

      I replied, ‘maybe it is for the best that you don’t.’

      This confused him for a second, and then he dismissed it altogether. Some of the others were waiting for him to speak, something wise, something all knowing, the usual dippy, dappy, doh you get from cult leaders, finally he said, “the pen of the scholar out ways the blood of the martyrs.”

      There were claps and ‘ahs’ of approval.

      Sarcastically I said, “wow, that’s some deep shit, man.”

      He glared at me, as if I was the one committing a sacrilege.

  14. Isaac Hayes was a bigger hypocrite, re: his leaving South Park when it came time to poke fun at HIS “religion”, than Penn & Teller’s refusal to tackle Scientology.

    As far as Islam goes, I don’t blame them. Getting angry letters is one thing, getting death threats is another. And those fatwa-issuers have LONG fucking memories… ask Salman Rushdie.

    1. at least they are honest about it, as opposed to say… the NYT

      1. Being honest about being a coward is even worse. It removes the possibility that you just have a mental disconnect between criticizing some beliefs and criticising otherses.

        1. Gollum’s Rule?

            1. You mean +1sssssss

        2. The only reason I give P&T a pass and not Comedy Central is… Comedy Central can afford a hell of a lot more security than two guys on a cable show.

    2. No one is saying Jillette is a hypocrite. He’s just a coward.

      1. He went after the boys scouts. That took courage because those kids have pen knifes!

        1. He actually went after the BSA–it’s run by adults.

      2. Is it cowardly to refuse an action because it could very likely get not just you but your whole family targeted by murderous psychopaths? Seems more like just not being the kind of heartless bastard who throws his family into the lion’s den for kicks. I can’t begrudge anyone choosing their family’s safety over calling out the nutters on television. I would begrudge them doing it without any consideration, just as I would them doing the opposite without consideration, but that doesn’t appear to be the case here.

        1. Good point, Cortillaen.

          1. Better point would be to admit it, then pledge to lay off all the other religious targets until you possess an occupied nutsack.

            1. I’m with doofus. (Great t-shirt)

            2. Seems fair. What bothers me is the apparent rule of “we criticize religions except the one that kills people for doing that.”

              1. You know what they should do? A low-budget, “fake” episode on Islam that they don’t appear in. Make it look like it was done by some anonymous freelancers, upload it anonymously to BitTorrent etc., and claim they had nothing to do with it and will sue the people who did.

          2. “their family’s saaaaafety”

            Me spout exactly the same nonsense paranoia whole country pees its pants over and gives up freedom after freedom after freedom rather than recognize as load of shit.

            Me free to spout! Psssshhh! Gugrle!

            Me like freedom! To give up freedom!

        2. Those that would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.

          1. Ben, get your own darn quote right, please: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Emphasis mine.)

        3. Yes, it is. The fact that you have chosen to reproduce does not absolve you from charges of cowardice.

          If Penn Jillette is so terrified for his family’s safety that he avoids picking on Islam, and so terrified for his job security that he doesn’t criticize Scientology or Judaism, then he needs to refrain from picking on anyone’s religious beliefs, rather than singling out Christians because they’re more tolerant.

          In any case, the “I have a family” excuse is pure bullshit anyway, right up there with “for the children”. Unless you’re a hermit living in the desert, there are people close to you that can be threatened. Even single people have families, you know — parents, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces, etc. Cowing to the threats of the wicked against your family only emboldens them.

          1. Picking on Christianity is probably not far off from picking on say…. bottled water in terms of just being BS though.

            I don’t think the goal of the show is to presented a balanced religious view.

        4. I certainly agree with everything you’ve said, but I can’t help but think that they are being a little too cautious. Why not do episodes that discuss, not Islam per se, but various myths that leaders in the Islamic world have perpetuated? Choose those that are easily debunked and allow ‘good’ muslims to distance themselves from them?

          I for one would like to see the popular mythology surrounding the creation of the modern state of Israel addressed.

        5. Now calling out the Clintons, that would be brave. You know what happened to Vince Foster.

        6. Now calling out Laura Bush. That would be brave. You know what happened to her ex-boyfriend.

          1. Fuck Yeah!

        7. Their cowardly actions are also a result of the rest of our society putting up with a multi-sect religious/political movement attempting to control what we view.

          I’m not actually worried about the Islamists. After all, as violent as they are, 4 out of 5 humans are not Muslims. Birthrate? Sure, but remember that Hindus and Chinese aren’t exactly laggards, and are gaining military and industrial power every day. That doesn’t bode well for an uptight group that has a tendency to hand opponents a reason to wipe them all out.

          I’m more concerned with a ‘civilization’ that waits eagerly for an attack against someone exercising their right of free speech. The demonstration by the demise of another is reassurance that the free speech route is ‘dangerous’, and is as insidious as any outside threat.

  15. ask Salman Rushdie.

    On one hand…fatwa.
    On other hand, screw Padma Lakshmi and Olivia Wilde.

    Where do I get one of these fatwas again?

    1. There are a number of “Fatwas R Us” in the Dearborn, MI area

    2. mmmmmm, Padma Lakshmi….what were we talkin bout again?

    3. Hello Mullah, Hello Fatwa!

      1. Here I am at, Camp Guantana

  16. The courage on display here is breathtaking.

  17. Las Vegas is the private sector’s answer to Washington, DC. A den of foolishness and iniquity where idiots go to pretend their lives are something besides a meaningless process of decay.

    1. Despair much?

    2. Or to just have some fun for a few days.

      1. That’s what I said, isn’t it?

  18. Come on Penn, take on Islam. I hope one day they do a show on scientology, independent of their show on showtime. Maybe a net only video. Penn said once before that the reason they didn’t do one on $cientology is because it wasn’t a big enough cult to deserve a whole episode, but now we find out the real reason, some big shot at showtime is scientologist.

    1. Ummm, scientology is big in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. Probably more than one influential scientologist at Showtime.

  19. Coward(s). Clearly this shows he’s more concerned about selling out than actually pointing out sell-outs to flawed philosophical positions; hypocrisy and giving in to terrorists.

    People should be allowed to believe in what they want, even flying purple pizza monster religions, as long as they don’t go around forcing or legislating their religion on others.

    But expect the U.S. to take a grave turn for the worse as Muslims boom their population and start voting away aspects of our freedoms (formerly protected by law) they find offensive or dangerous. And expect it to be hastened by corporations who, too, only care about money and do their best to acquiesce to the undercurrent of terror threats.

    In fact in the Christian Bible Jesus is reported to have even made the claim that religious nuts are coming who think they are doing a service for God by killing unbelievers. Ironically it seems some of the first people to fulfill that prophecy were so-called Christian, but even a quick reading of Christ’s teachings shows it’s clear he in no way promoted that.

    Personally I believe in reincarnation, so I would not be the least surprised if many of the people throughout history who offered people the chance to “convert or die” are the same, just reborn years later, even in another religion/culture, and given another chance by the powers that be to learn to live and let live.

    1. Tell me something about the intellectual wasteland that is reincarnation. There is more people on the planet now than ever before. Just where the fuck have all the newly reincarnated been all this time??

      1. I believe you don’t need to be human in previous reincarnations to be human in this one, so the growth of human population is irrelevant. It’s possible most people were dodos or coelecanths in their previous lives, which would explain a lot.

      2. If you believe in re-incarnation, do you necessarily have to believe that this is the only “world” souls get recycled onto?

        Not judging, just asking.

        If there are other places to stop on the journey, then it really doesn’t matter how many people are on the Earth at this minute opposed to how many there were previously.

      3. Duh, everyone knows they become strands of the Spaghetti Monster.

      4. Why does reincarnation of the soul, a metaphysical entity, have to respect time, a physical one? For all we know there could just be one soul that’s reincarnated as everyone.

      5. Nice to see the people and ideas that came to offer support.

        Dear doofus, I have a few comments.
        1) Your comment rests on an assumption I did not state or imply; namely that everyone born is a reincarnation.
        2) Humans recycle, clearly the planet itself recycles, why not God?
        3) Even though this is clearly a philosophical and/or religious concept, I still approach it with an open mind, suspending judgement as I think about it myself and question others. After about 25 years of considering it, I lean towards it more and more. Personally I prefer to engage others who have a similar attitude. People who instantly attack are very difficult to engage in intelligent conversation. I guess this could be made a “vs” like this: people who think they know it all versus people who do want to know it all.
        4) It is good you end with a question, which kind of indicates you have left the door slightly ajar, indicating you might be able to let some new ideas and reasons in. 🙂

        I do not consider myself an expert, and definitely feel my ability to find others to converse with on such subjects has been puny, but, I guess due to the length of time I’ve been considering this, I have heard of the ideas put forth by those who have commented thus far.

        One of the first books on this subject I read was “Many Mansions” by Gina Cerminara. A great read!

  20. I used to enjoy their work. Now all I can see him as is a moral coward.

    1. Agreed. He joins a long line of moral cowards who refuse to confront Islam while diverting attention from that fact by doubling down on their attacks on Christianity.

      1. I think a question that needs to be asked is why they don’t make fun of the other Abrahamic religion. I suspect it’s going to be different from the reason they don’t make fun of Islam only in degree.

        1. only in degree

          You mis-spoke, right? Surely, even you are not so blind and ignorant.

          I wish you would be the victim of mohamadeans.
          I wish you would be the victim of Jews.

          Sure, hardly any difference there! One means your death and the other means no lox from the kosher deli? If I haven’t said it recently, fuck off.

          1. Ooooo, I can play that game. One means getting drummed off the air by ADL, while the other means no falafel!

            1. Ooooo, I can play that game.

              No, you can’t. You can’t show me where Jews murder schoolchildren in the name of Allah. You can’t show me where Jews blow themselves up in pizzarias murdering innocents.

              No one, even a piece of shit such as yourself, deserves to be killed in the name of Allah. However, since those you defend will kill again, I sure fucking hope that it is you who is one of their victims. Fuck you to death in the name of Nick Berg, and Daniel Pearl and Theo Van Gogh ect, ect.

              1. Well, you can’t show me Muslims murdering children in the name of Jesus, or launching airstrikes against civilian neighborhoods and then violently boarding any neutral-country ship that attempts to supply them with building supplies so they can avoid living exposed to the elements.

        2. Ask away!

          Season 3 Episode 1 – Circumcision – calling BS on one of the primary acts linked to that “other” Abrahamic religion.

          Of course, if you are just live in a world where Jews control the media and somehow always get away with their sly and devious ways, shylocking the wool over all the worlds eyes, you might not bother to take the time to do a little googling.

          Asshole

    2. I have to disagree, partly.

      He was at least honest to say “Yes, the reason we’re afraid is because they’re violent” and added that that was a horrible thing. That’s a lot more honest than most people afraid to criticize Islam have been.

  21. I don’t care who i tweak. I’ve contacted a bunch of churches,
    The Catholics because my daughters are,
    The Mormons, because i’m one of their priests,
    And today i talked to a scientologist to make everything clear.
    I think he ran away scared. I called him again, and he ran one more time.
    I wonder what will happen next.
    I certainly don’t have a clue, i can’t predict the future.

    I can tell you this though. I’ve been a lifelong libertarian, and lived my life by reason.
    I have tested as a mastermind at keirsey – and i believe i’ve mastered my mind.
    You see, in my mind GOD is REASON,
    And TRUTH = REALITY.
    I don’t need any faith, i believe that God is on my side.
    Now, who do you think has bigger balls, the scientologists or somebody who calls himself Jesus 2.3?
    before you answer that question do this:
    google Harman Geist Stadium. Go sightseeing close to my mind.
    My daughter, Fate, graduated from that stadium, and my daughter, Design, ran circles around it.
    I had nothing to do with the picture,
    it was the eye in the sky.
    but tell me now what you think,
    Am i conspiring with the Spirit in the Sky?

    1. Damn. Wish I’d penned that.

  22. Like all liberals they will attack christians and jews because they know we dont go around killing and beheading..

    But liberals like the liars and traitors that they are wont DARE even tell the truth about Islam because
    they have Families ..
    and they KNOW that the Muslims will rape, torture then BEHEAD their loved ones..

    The day is comming very soon in america where muslims will attack and when they do..
    I will laugh as the muslims KILL all the liberals..

    And when you come to my door begging for a gun to protect yourself..
    I will HELPT the muslims by pointing you out so they can behead you..

    Enjoy your muslim friends
    YOU DESERVE THEM..

    1. I have alwas thought that ‘beheading’ should mean putting a head on something that is headless (like the Martians do in ‘Mars Attacks’)

      ‘Deheading’ should mean taking someones head off.

      1. “Headed” meant “removal of the head,” so beheaded makes sense: it means to cause to become headed.

        1. French Peasant: Where are you headed?
          Louis XVI: Place de la Concorde. With the guillotine of course.

          American Inner-city Resident: Wey you be headed?
          Other Inner-city Resident: I be headin’ fo’ da regicide at Time Square.

    2. I’m not sure who you’re talking about, since Jillette clearly said he was worried about violence.

  23. Sure, you can see one individual’s point about putting himself out there to be physically attacked or even killed. But the net result is a totally cowed population…the terrorists don’t even need to come back here. Someone needs to organise a beefed up version of “everyone draw mohammed day” where all decent people (Muslim or not) stand up and spell out exactly what is wrong with radical islam. If it is widespread enough, the intimidation will not work.

  24. Sure, you can see one individual’s point about putting himself out there to be physically attacked or even killed. But the net result is a totally cowed population…the terrorists don’t even need to come back here. Someone needs to organise a beefed up version of “everyone draw mohammed day” where all decent people (Muslim or not) stand up and spell out exactly what is wrong with radical islam. If it is widespread enough, the intimidation will not work.

    1. The trouble is, it’s not hard to make the argument that “radical Islam” is Islam. Christianity has the advantage of a holy book written by many different people in different languages over hundreds of years, so there’s a lot of room for interpretation. But imagine if it was all written by Jesus, in Aramaic, and that he claimed it was the direct word of God and a copy of the Bible in Heaven. (The Koran is supposedly a direct copy of the one in Heaven, because Allah speaks medieval Arabic.) Not much room for “moderation” there, eh?

      1. The trouble is, it’s not hard to make the argument that “radical Islam” is Islam. Christianity has the advantage of a holy book written by many different people in different languages over hundreds of years, so there’s a lot of room for interpretation. But imagine if it was all written by Jesus, in Aramaic, and that he claimed it was the direct word of God and a copy of the Bible in Heaven. (The Koran is supposedly a direct copy of the one in Heaven, because Allah speaks medieval Arabic.) Not much room for “moderation” there, eh?

        Is there any evidence that radical Islam is Islam?

        1. I’m saying that when the radicals (bin Laden, the Iranian regime, the Wahhabists, etc.) say they are “real Muslims” and that the moderates aren’t, they have a strong case.

  25. From Spin magazine:

    “..but the sneakily titled ‘Lovealot’ is perhaps the riskiest gambit yet from the 32-year-old artist born Maya Arulpragasam.

    ‘Lovealot’ alludes in part to the iconic, viral photo of a pistol-wielding Russian/Islamic couple — the husband, a terrorist leader killed last year by police, and the wife, a teenager who tried to avenge his death by suicide-bombing the Moscow subway (at one point the song was titled ‘A/bdurakh/man/ova,’ after the girl’s surname). Merely 20 seconds in, M.I.A. spits, suddenly, ‘Like a Taliban trucker eatin’ boiled-up yucca / Get my eyes done like I’m in the burka,’ and then, ‘Like a hand-me-down sucker throwin’ bombs out at Mecca,’ and on and on. What’s more, when she purrs the line, ‘I really love a lot,’ she stretches the last two words so they sound like ‘I really love Allah.'”

    Brave woman? or just crazy? Maybe they can feature her on Bullshit.

  26. Given how Showtime won’t let them do Scientology and whimped out on the Vatican episode, do any of you really believe Showtime would actually run an anti-islamic episode even if they made one?

    Meanwhile, they are under no obligation to do ANY subject just because you think they should. If they wanted to do every episode on the stupidity of Christianity that’s their choice, just as it’s your choice to watch or not. If you want a show about another subject, go get your own show.

    1. True, they have no legal obligation to do, or not do, any particular show. That doesn’t mean I have an obligation not to criticize them for choosing topics in a cowardly fashion.

  27. And in the end, does anyone really need to debunk Islam? It’s really something one is born into along with whatever basket of cultural amenities it is tied to by accident of place.

    I think a lot of people find faults with the culture they are born into. They just don’t like hearing it from outsiders.

    In the end, there will always be pockets of violent malcontents, but the vast majority of humans become less beholden to strict doctrinal control of their ‘religion’.

    I suppose the lady that does palmistry down the street has a mostly self-identified Christian clientele.

    1. I think Islam needs a thorough debunking. We need to instill as much doubt as possible among the believers, to defuse, defund, and draw support away from the radicals. One good way to do it is through researching and publicizing the history of the Koran. Islamic doctrine says the current version is a perfect copy of the one in Heaven, but apparently there’s actually a lot of variation between the earliest Korans and the current official one. Knock it down from “Allah’s direct word” to “something inspired by Allah but with some transcription errors and interpretations” and you’ll go a long way to making Islam more modern and peaceful.

      1. but with some transcription errors and interpretations” and you’ll go a long way to making Islam more modern and peaceful

        But hasn’t that been the problem since the 12th Imam? The splintering and decentralization of Islam? Radicals against the non-radicals, this interpretation versus that one, this orthodox versus that orthodoxy?

        There can’t be a Islamic Martin Luther and Islamic Reformation, to use the Christian analogy, because there is no Islamic Pope to challenge. Since there is no single leader of Islam today (and for about 1000 years), the religion has splintered not only along Shi’a-Sunni lines but within those two sects.

        Imams here, imams there, all saying that their version of the Koran is the correct one.

        We need then, a modern, peaceful Islamic Pope to hand down the peaceful version of the Koran.

        Who wants the job? Anyone?

        1. I don’t think it’s possible, given that all Muslims believe that the modern Koran is the direct word of Allah. But one can hope.

  28. I think that them saying that they’re scared shitless to do a show on islam is the only thing they need to say.

  29. When someone is critical of a particular religion or viewpoint, but silent about others, it leaves observers to conclude that it is because they have nothing bad to say about those religions (since they’ve shown that they *will* criticize religious beliefs, so its fair game). Silence implies consent: by going after Christianity while leaving Islam and Scientology alone, its an implied endorsement of the latter religions.

    1. I don’t think that’s true. In fact, it’s much MORE common for people not to mention religions they feel are beneath their notice.

      People don’t bother in the US to debunk Hinduism, for example. Or Zeus worship. Does that mean all of those people think the Hindus have it all figured out, and that Zeus worshippers are great?

      1. Islam and Scientology are hardly beneath notice in the US at this point in time. Both are constantly in the news.

        Plus there’s the fact that Jillette explicitly stated his reason for not criticizing them, and it wasn’t because they weren’t important enough.

        1. Tag didn’t talk about Jilette. He said that anyone who fails to mention a particular religion is doing so because they endorse that religion. That viewpoint is idiotic, for the reason I just outlined.

          1. It’s clear he meant well-known, currently existing religions. Well, except to someone who’s invested in his point being wrong.

            1. In other words, if we add a bunch of additional material to his point to make it a completely different point, it makes sense.

              Similarly, if you add an algebra textbook to the Bible, it can teach you math!

              This is fun!

    2. How does pointing out that your employer will not let you do one religion and saying that another scares the crap out of you in any way constitute an endorsement?

      1. He’s not saying those things on his show — he’s saying it in a magazine interview that a couple of hundred like minded people will read.

        1. Exactly – to the casual viewer, which is most, it’ll be easy to conclude “well, they obviously think Christianity is stupid, but since they’re not mentioning Islam as well, I guess its because they don’t have the same problems with that as they do with the Christians.” They just lack the guts of their convictions, Penn admitted as much: Christians aren’t going around assassinating people, so they’re the easier target.

          What Penn forgets is the warning that all it takes for evil to triumph is for the good to stay silent and do nothing. When you’re faced with a totalitarian viewpoint like Islamism as practiced by al-Qaeda or the Taliban, enforcing silence on those in a position to criticize is a victory. “First they came for Rushdie, but I wasn’t a Muslim, so I said nothing. Then they came for Westergaard, but I wasn’t a cartoonist, so I said nothing.” and so it goes, down the same path as the famous quote by Niem?ller in ’46.

  30. And in the end, isn’t it Al-Jazeera’s job to do Islam hit pieces.

    Perhaps, they can do a Bullshit! on Al-Jazeera when they gloss over islam-inspired crimes.

  31. YOU ARE ALL GONNA DIE, I”M MUSLIM!
    Ka-Durrh!?!

  32. A lot of that LVW material is very similar to stuff in Penn’s recent Vanity Fair interview.

    1. They already did a show on recycling.

  33. Wayne Root didn’t make top 50, huh?

  34. BTW:

    If Muslims weren’t fucking stupid, they would realize that any criticism of Judaism or Christianity criticizes them, too.

    If Yahweh isn’t up there, neither is Allah.

    Islam claims Moses and Jesus really existed and really spoke to God. Therefore anyone who criticizes Judaism or Christianity or claims that they have no basis in reality is implicitly stating that Muhammad was full of shit.

    That means that all this haggling over who criticized who and who’s getting left out is stupid.

    1. The fact that they have not killed Matt and Trey over how they depict me as some slobbering creature does make me question their devotion. Who is suppose to be whose errand boy? Me or Mohamed?

      In material form, I’m not some slobbering beast, I’m the sexy beast, Ben Kingsley!

      Oh, like you did not already suspect that.

  35. I love the fact he can mock whoever the fuck he wants and for whatever reason he wants to, or not.

    1. fuck you!

      I only wrote that because you’re tolerant (i.e. not Muslim)

    2. …and then we can criticize him for his choice of mockery, especially when he blatantly states his reasons for that choice.

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  37. Teller and I have been brutal to Christians? is that they are very very very bad?

  38. im very sad that they’re good fucking Americans who believe in freedom of speech

  39. seems to me like he’s not consistent with what he believs. that or he’s a spineless coward who doesn’t have the balls to demonstrate his consistency about his disbelief. what a hypocritical asshole.

  40. Huh. Well, I’m a Christian, and I can say right now that you can go ahead and ridicule, mock, and satirise me all you want, but you call me a “good fucking American” and I’m gonna go MENTAL. You think American has the corner on Christianity? Maybe the wingnut portion of it, but the rest of us don’t want to be associated with American Christianity at all.

    So come on, leave nationality out of it, and we’re cool, ok?

  41. Hello all my name is Mahmoud and duh am a Muslim who lives in Jordan I ju st wanna say that what you perceive as Muslims are wrong as u should know the acts of a few does not reflect the act of the community I for one respect everyones opinion and that they r free to pray, eat, drink and believe in whatever they want and like one comment here Christianity and jewdism are a part of Islam so if they r attacking those two religions they r in essence also attacking Islam all I want to say is please don’t think of islam as this evil murderous religion because it’s not at all I don’t confront every Jew about Palestine cause it’s not their fault it’s just his religion anyways I really hope this idea about Islam would change.

  42. Cult members don’t realize they’re in a cult.

    Have you noticed how people in other religions are obviously misguided victims of delusional cults?

    Now, step outside your own religion and see it for the same kind of delusional cult.

    The same goes for countries, languages and ethnicities.

  43. “A cult is a religion you don’t like.”

    The word “cult” has been so misused as to become meaningless. It’s just another pejorative. Now, when applied to real cults that cloister their members, don’t let them contact their families or get outside media, ENFORCE attendance at services, require legally signing over money and real estate, the word has lost its meaning.

    Scientologists work everywhere. They don’t yell at me on Sunday morning from my TV. They run a literacy center down the street and anti-drug morality campaigns. They sent ministers to help at 9/11 and the big tsunami, fer crissake. They don’t run fatwas or bull-doze Palestinians’ homes.

    There may still be damaging cults out there–but use the word correctly.

  44. So it’s ok to be mean and attack those that are kind to you?!?! That really doesn’t make sense.

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