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ObamaCare's Defenders to the Public: Trust Us, You Really Like This Law!

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Before the Affordable Care Act passed, many of its supporters argued that, despite the law's not-so-great poll numbers, passing it would give the president a popularity boost, and the law would become more popular over time. It was a public policy version of the "try it, you'll like it" argument that parents use to get finnicky kids to eat weird casseroles. But it didn't seem likely at the time, and, sure enough, it turns out there was no bounce for Obama. Similarly, most polls since passage show that the law's popularity has not improved, and slightly more people still dislike it than like it. In fact, Rassmussen (which is an outlier amongst pollsters), says the law has become less popular since passage, though its numbers also show opposition receding slightly in recent weeks.

But they aren't receding fast enough, apparently. White House allies—i.e. former administration staffers and Democratic party flacks—are forming a non-profit advocacy group dedicated to pushing party-line propaganda selling the public on the law's virtues.

Close allies of the Obama administration, seeking to rally the public behind President Obama's landmark health care bill, are planning to spend $25 million over the next five years to promote the measure and beat back mischaracterizations of it that could harm Democratic candidates.

Mr. Obama's former communications director, Anita Dunn, and longtime Democratic strategist Andrew Grossman, have teamed up to form two new tax-exempt groups. The first, already incorporated as a nonprofit organization under the 501 c(3) provision of the tax code, is called the Health Information Center, and will run an intense public information campaign around the new law.

The second, still in the planning, will engage in political advocacy to "protect the law – and those who supported it – against distortions, misrepresentations and outright lies," according to a Democratic strategist familiar with the effort. The strategist said Mr. Grossman will be involved in both groups, and raise money from usual Democratic sources – including foundations and unions – to finance them.

Mr. Grossman spent 2009 coordinating health care advocacy groups in support of the new law. In a telephone interview Friday, he said he was forming the two groups "to explain the benefits of the health care law to the public, because that's the best way to get them to support it."

Boy, these guys can't take a hint, can they? This is the same line they used during the debate—voters just need to understand the law's benefits, which translates to: "Let's tell them all the good things and try to distract them from the parts they might not like." But there was reasonably good evidence (as far as public policy polling goes) that voters knew about its supposed benefits and, because they were also aware of its costs, didn't like the law anyway.

How politically toxic is ObamaCare? It's tough to say for sure. Whether continued opposition to the law will be a major issue in November depends in large part on the unemployment rate and the state of the economy, so it may turn out that the law's rocky reception doesn't weigh heavily on election results. But even still, the fact that these groups are being set up shows that Democrats know it's hardly a winner; that they are still struggling to sell it, despite all the time and resources that have already been poured into pushing its benefits, suggests just how badly they miscalculated.

And at this point, I suspect it will be more difficult to defend the law than before it was passed. Since its passage, bad news has continued to pile up, and many the claims made about it have become increasingly difficult to maintain. We've already seen reports that the total cost will be more than expected, that the administration isn't hitting its deadlines, that it won't bring overall health care spending down, that some health insurance premiums will probably rise, that Medicare benefits for many seniors are scheduled to go on the chopping block, that it will strain emergency rooms, and that employers expect medical costs to rise and are looking at dropping millions from their health care plans—all of which is to say that what the law's advocates sold to the public isn't quite what they delivered. If protecting the public from distortions and misrepresentations is really what these folks hope to do, maybe they ought to start with their own side.

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96 responses to “ObamaCare's Defenders to the Public: Trust Us, You Really Like This Law!

  1. The second, still in the planning, will engage in political advocacy to “protect the law ? and those who supported it ? with distortions, misrepresentations and outright lies,” according to a Democratic strategist familiar with the effort.

    There, I fixed it for the hack.

    1. A Democratic strategist who needed to remain anonymous for some reason, too. “I could get in big trouble for saying that health care opponents are liars!”

      1. She probably didn’t want to jeopardize her cushy MSNBC gig.

        1. Wouldn’t that be ‘proponents’?

    2. The problem is, the 58% who want it repealed, as AB Stoddard pointed out, has been stuck at that level for months. It hasn’t changed. It won’t matter, that number isn’t going to budge. Obama and the democrats are desperate to make that bill a “positive” and not a negative. Imagine if there is a wipeout in November – it will be directly attributed to the “crowning achievement” of HCR, by Obama, and the fact he has ignored the economy.

      That’s not a narrative they want out there.

      “Dear Mr. President: I need a freakin’ job. Period.”

      That billboard said it all. Notice how feisty Obama got when confronted with a massive billboard pointing out how he has completely ignored the top priority in the nation?

      Yep, they’re desperate to turn the narrative around. . . .

    3. Seriously, think about it. The HCR bill has been off the front pages now for months. And 58% of likely voters want it repealed.

      That’s not good news for the democrats at all. That means, the anger hasn’t subsided, the bill is a negative. . .so Obama thinks going out there and blathering is going to make it better.

      Frankly, if I were a democrat, I’d tell Obama to STFU and go sit down. He’s concerned about his “legacy” and how the election in November is going to go and will he watch the “unwinding” of his presidency happen. The democrats don’t want to talk about it.

      Democrats won’t meet with voters outside a scripted atmosphere and are avoiding town halls where they may encounter angry voters.

      What’s that tell you?

      The problem for the democrats, same as last summer, just because you “hang up the phone” on the anger, doesn’t mean the anger goes away.

      The voters are chompin’ at the bit to get rid of democrats. The ABC poll shows that voter anger is higher than right before 1994. Private sector only created 41,000 jobs, 60,000 jobs short of keeping pace with population growth, much less catching up with unemployment.

      And all the democrats have screwed around with is HCR, and spending for unions, teachers, big government.

      We keep getting more and more bad news about the HCR, which was never a top priority in any poll. Not now, not ever.

      Economy, and jobs. That’s the only thing that ever mattered from day one.

      And what have they done? Wasted a trillion dollars on nothing.

      The democrats have a nasty problem, and no amount of blathering by Obama and the grease oil salesmanship is going to help.

  2. It was a public policy version of the “try it, you’ll like it” argument that parents use to get finnicky kids to eat weird casseroles.

    I will not stand idly by while you insult casseroles by comparing them to this heap of shit. A better comparison would be the hard sell your local butthash dealer engages in with first-timers.

    1. At least the first-timer has the reasonable expectation of some the promised effects from jenkem, Hustler Tulpa.

    2. Nobody “deals” butthash. The entire appeal of butthash is that you can make it at home without the risk of a dealer. You just shit in a bucket, piss on your shit, then cover and let sit in a warm, wet place for a few days, then inhale.

  3. LOL, should be interesting to see how thats gonna turn out LOL

    Lou
    http://www.Anonymous-VPN.de.tc

  4. BTW, Reason staffers, still waiting for that mea culpa

    1. For what?
      It wouldn’t serve The Glorious Libertarian-Team Blue liberaltarian alliance against Real America the hetero-normative Christ-Fags.

      1. before my exposure to Feministing links via hit&run;, i wasn’t even aware ‘cisgender’ was a thing, now i am it! thanks reason!

        1. Sometimes I want to get a web admin job with Reason just so I can track IPs and know who posts these spoofs…

    2. wait

  5. I hate Obama so much.

  6. Opposition to this law is not the same as opposition to healthcare reform. If it had been better, it would be easier to defend, and it would have been better if it weren’t chipped away at by anti-reform efforts.

    1. I can’t tell if this is an impostor or not. There were no meaningful changes to the bill.

    2. Are you serious?

    3. Are you serious? Are you serious?

    4. Those who opposed Obamacare should be held responsible for all its negative effects, while those who supported it should only be responsible for any positive effects.

    5. Yeah, darn those anti-reformers for putting in that idiot provision forcing businesses to file 1099s for purchases of goods and not just services! Oh wait, the Democrat leadership approved that….

      1. Wait, wait! I’m beginning to see it! It’s becoming clear!
        I predict many, many contracts priced at $590.00!

        1. Unfortunately it’s $600 per vendor per year, not per purchase.

    6. Tony|6.8.10 @ 8:43PM|#
      “If it had been better, it would be easier to defend,”
      Define “better”.

      “and it would have been better if it weren’t chipped away at by anti-reform efforts.”
      I won’t even *ask* for backup to this hogwash.

      1. Anti-reform efforts being business interests influencing legislators in both parties.

        1. When all you have is a hammer…

        2. But no Republicans voted for it. I know that you really wish that some did, so you could blame Republicans for anything you didn’t like in it. I suppose you’ll still blame Republicans for Democrats crafting amendments “designed to get Republican votes” or some such.

          It doesn’t matter how much Republicans were “influenced,” they were against the bill just as they would have been against your imagined version.

        3. Those “business interests” went both ways. The Administration intentionally courted those business interests and wrote the bill from the start in order to get their cooperation (and at a minimum non-opposition).

    7. Tony|6.8.10 @ 8:43PM|#
      Opposition to this law is not the same as opposition to healthcare reform.

      Unfortunately, this is true. People still want their magic rainbow-shitting unicorn.

      Unfortunately, all their going to get is a nag. (In both senses of the word.) And nothing but horseshit.

      To be precise: There is no way in the friggin’ universe that Health Care can be “affordable” and deliver first rate care to all who want it.

      1. Argh.

        “they’re”, not “their”.

      2. Actually, that is not quite true. It could be done.

        All that is required is that the government subordinate itself to the physicians, and allow PHYSICIANS to prioritize the distribution of resources. Would everyone be happy? No. But, everyone would get they really need. As long as the government is in charge, people will only get what bureaucrats think they need.

    8. Re: Tony,

      Opposition to this law is not the same as opposition to healthcare reform.

      Just like opposing Obama’s policies is not the same as being a racist. Same shit, but try to make a lefty understand that

      If it had been better, it would be easier to defend[…]

      Yogi Berra? Is that really YOU???

      […]and it would have been better if it weren’t chipped away at by anti-reform efforts.

      You mean it could have been even WORSE (assuming that what you think is better is actually worse for us freedom-loving Human Beings)?

      1. Even I don’t say shit that dumb…

    9. Well, hell, had the bill been “better,” Libertarians would have supported it.

      That they don’t support the bill that passed is hardly indicative of anything or relevant to the discussion in any real way.

  7. Why are they bothering to defend this train wreck? IT IS LAW. We are stuck with this millstone around are necks. Face it we are f****d.

    1. Those damn elections. If we could just get rid of them for a while.

    2. Sometimes, when peasants got angry they murdered their liege lords. I think the Demorcrats are just trying to temper the mob before it boils over. They will fail.

    3. I remind my fellow Americans that we have passed and repealed an Amendment to the Constitution before in this country.

      If we could manage change of that magnitude, we can surely manage to repeal one little law. After all, it was passed by thieves in the night, by the most democratically perilous of margins.

      By the way, how many Democrats does it take to vote to change a light bulb? We’ll get back to you just as soon as we figure out how to attach it to a reconciliation bill.

      This is all pretty much moot anyway, as I believe the Supreme Court is going to rule that the Government cannot dictate to the citizens of this country that we have to buy insurance just to be citizens of this country. I think the Justices will determine that an unconstitutional usurpation of power was attempted in this case and throw it out ‘whole cloth’.

      The President better hope he can pack the court with some liberals before the 5-4 division can rule on this big, hot, stinking mess of a law.

  8. The arrogance of the political class has no bounds. The “We know what’s best for you crowd” has been trying & trying to sell Obamacare over the course of the last year and a half.

    At least when it comes to this, the great unwashed masses seem to get it.

    That being said, there is NO WAY Obamacare will get repealed. The gutless wonder Republicans will run & hide once the stories of sick children & old people eating cat food because their medical costs are too high stories run in the MSM.

    2011 meet 1995, this whole scenario seems remarkable familiar?

    1. Sigh, libertarians… you complain about everything, and your only solution is stupid fatalism. You hate PPACA, but you have nothing to replace it. Certainly letting 45,000/year (and growing) die traceable to lack of health insurance, is a problem. Certainly the fact that 40 some million have no health insurance is an important concern.
      But it’s easy to criticize when you have no chance of ever gaining any political power for your idiotic ideology. Your ideas will never be tested, so in your mind at least, you’ll always be right.

      1. I have no health insurance because I choose not to, and I’ll continue to have no health insurance because I choose not to. If I “die traceable to lack of health insurance,” that’s my choice and not your problem nor that of anyone else.

        In a twisted sort of way (and I can only even say this because I doubt there’s any remote chance of this thing getting repealed), I’m looking forward to when the mandate comes into effect just so we both can see how many will continue not to buy health insurance despite the outright financial penalty. I believe the number will still be in the tens of millions.

      2. I’m sorry, but that forty-five thousand a year figure who die allegedly because they have no health insurance is one that I seriously question as a physician. I treat patients without insurance every day. Exactly how are these deaths defined as being caused by lack of insurance? And exactly how did they obtain these numbers? Or are you simply regurgitating some figures quoted to you by your programmers?

        By the way, there are plenty of alternatives to your misleadingly named act. They have been discussed in depth on this site many times. Perhaps you should actually go read about them rather than to continue to defend this putrid mess of a piece of legislation. By the way, by your tone, you seem to be under the impression that this thing will actually do anything to improve health care, which has been demonstrated repeatedly to not be the case. Rather than insulting people, maybe you should spend your time actually learning something about what you’re debating so you don’t end up sounding pathetically ignorant.

        1. Doctor: “I’m afraid I have bad news.”
          Patient: “What is it? Cancer? Gangrene?”
          Doctor: “I’m afraid it’s worse than all that.”
          Patient: “What could it possibly be?!?”
          Doctor: “According to your test results, you have…no insurance.”
          Patient: “NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!”

      3. Certainly letting 45,000/year (and growing) die traceable to lack of health insurance, is a problem…
        But it’s easy to criticize when you have no chance of ever gaining any political power for your idiotic ideology. Your ideas will never be tested, so in your mind at least, you’ll always be right.

        Pot, meet kettle.

  9. THREADJACK:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/…..-since-96/

    Utah death row inmate opts for firing squad. Cool.

    1. This is now the “which way would you take the death penalty” thread.

      1. I would want a picture of Mohammad printed on a jockstrap with his tongue on my taint. I would then be dropped off in Pakistan, wearing nothing but the prophet.

        At least it would be quick.

        1. Threadjack winner.

      2. I would want the president to personally strangle me on the White House lawn in front of his family and the press, like a king of old who carried out the justice he espoused. If the president is convienently unaviailable, then I’ll settle for the governor of the state I was convicted in. Regardless of how it could happen, I want children to be fucking horrified, while questioning the motives of their lionized leaders.

    2. It should always be firing squad. None of this warm fuzzy lethal injection crap.

      Then death penalty opponents couldn’t use the unique problems with lethal injection as an argument against all capital punishment.

      1. Firing squad is cool, but I think it would be better economically for it to be just one man, one gun, one bullet. Or just bring in volunteers with their own weapons, and put victims families and friends at the top of the list for open firing slots.

    3. Manly.

    4. “Gardner will be strapped into a chair, hooded, brandished with a small white target, and shot to death on June 18.”

      The hood is not cool. I’d want to die knowing my creepy psycho stare will forever haunt the executioner(s).

      1. Why do they need to place a target marking? Shouldn’t it be pretty obvious at whom you are shooting?

        1. The target is placed over the heart, and the idea is to shoot the heart.

          Silly idea, really, as everyone knows you’ve got to sever the head or destroy the brain.

      2. Do they still give one of the shooters real ammo and the rest blanks? Seems to me the shooters could tell the difference in recoil.

        1. per the article, other way ’round – one blank, the rest live.

    5. Death by Gladiator match. Let him fight a starved polar bear . . . with a pointy stick.

    6. I don’t know about lethal injection, but firing squad has to be quite a bit more humane than the electric chair. If a rifle bullet blows up your heart or aorta, you’ll lose consciousness in a few seconds, versus, say, catching on fire.

      Another thing: if the point of lethal injection is to be humane, why don’t we just inject the fuckers with a gigantic dose of cocaine and morphine?

  10. incorporated as a nonprofit organization […] will run an intense public information campaign around the new law.

    It’s true: corporate money is poisoning politics.

  11. Three predictions: one, republicans get majority and defund the damage if Venezuelan voting machines don’t throw the elections, two, the economy imploded prior to Obamacare kicking in, three we are left bartering our extra crap for heathcare directly from providers because of our dire circumstances.

  12. Oh great! Anita Dunn, Maoist!!!!!

  13. I couldn’t help but think of O’care when reading Daniel Okrent’s new book on Prohibition, Last Call. Prohibition also passed through the manipulation of the process to produce voting majorities when, by any measure, the majority of the public opposed it. And people responded by devoting remarkable ingenuity and enthusiasm to subverting it… not least of them doctors, writing prescriptions for hooch, and drug stores, filling them. If we did it for booze, I suspect we’ll do it for cancer drugs too. Except they’re not as easy to make in the bathtub.

  14. The author and his opponents are talking on different time scales. Nobody expected a bump for Democrats with the passage of this legislation – anyone who has read and/or thought about it knows it is a piece of crap. It will succeed in creating a greater depedency culture, which is it’s whole point. The point of the “advocacy” groups is too slow down opposition enough that dependence will kick in before any chance at repeal and the healthcare bill will then be as sacrosanct as medicare. And they are correct, even if Britain’s national health service is a mess, people still learn to love it so they can get whatever medical attention is available. Same will happen here.

  15. Basically, its an episode of The Office. A nonqualified idiot boss (pres acorn) is mandating another buffoonish change for the hapeless employees….(in this case the US public). Instead of just being humorous, this idiot is creating HUGE economic implications for generations…DEFICITS, along with creating yet another INEFFICIENT INEFFECTIVE gov’t entitlement program…basically Obamacare is mirroring Obama the man. Out of step, out of touch, and a program nobody wants or needs. Will it have a profound effect on Nov, and the Dems? YES. Unfortunately for these idealogues, its cause and effect time. Their are consequences for action, and inaction. The Chickens are coming home to roost.

  16. I’m sorry, but that forty-five thousand a year figure who die allegedly because they have no health insurance is one that I seriously question as a physician. I treat patients without insurance every day. Exactly how are these deaths defined as being caused by lack of insurance?

    The same as smoking related deaths. Anyone who ever smoked is counted as a smoking-related death when they die. Anyone without health insurance is counted as no-health-insurance death when they die. Simple.

    1. “He got hit by a bus!”

      “Did he have insurance?”

      “Well… no.”

      “Ah-ha! Insurance would have leaped in front of that bus. Therefore…”

  17. I think the point of the groups have been missed. They are 501c3 and will live off govt funding tax free. This represents the entrepreneurship of these no talent “official’s” in continuing to live off the labors of others. What is the point of defending a bill that is already passed? It’s the law whether we like it or not and everyone knows no one has the political cojones to repeal it, nullify it, or secede although all are perfectly legal and moral avenues.

  18. Americans are confused and conflicted, polls show, about “Obamacare”. Recent polls show that a majority want to “gamble” and just give it a chance. News junkies like me know that there are many conflicting news reports and opinion pieces ? mostly written by those pushing a political agenda. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could just find a trusted, non-partisan research group that would study the darn thing and give us some straight answers we could believe in?
    Well, this morning my dream came true. News I have been waiting for. One of the country’s most respected think-tanks, the RAND Corporation ( http://www.rand.org/ ), has just completed an exhaustive study of 2000+ health reform policy scenarios. The conclusion (drum roll please):
    “The new U.S. health care reform law was the best option for providing health insurance to the largest number of people while keeping federal government costs as low as possible.”

  19. American Enterprise Institute showed stupifying cowardice in firing David Frum for predicting that the “waterloo strategy” would backfire. The mandate, certainly the most unpopular feature, was first proposed by the Heritage Foundation. Republicans suing for its overthrow will be exposed for this flip flop – and their chances of prevailing are slim to none – which will put them in the doghouse again.

    Americans are confused and conflicted, polls show, about “Obamacare”. Recent polls show that a majority want to “gamble” and just give it a chance. News junkies like me know that there are many conflicting news reports and opinion pieces ? mostly written by those pushing a political agenda. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could just find a trusted, non-partisan research group that would study the darn thing and give us some straight answers we could believe in?
    Well, this morning my dream came true. News I have been waiting for. One of the country’s most respected think-tanks, the RAND Corporation ( http://www.rand.org/ ), has just completed an exhaustive study of 2000+ health reform policy scenarios. The conclusion (drum roll please):
    “The new U.S. health care reform law was the best option for providing health insurance to the largest number of people while keeping federal government costs as low as possible.”

    1. Polling doesn’t show “conflicting” results, they’re all headed in one direction: against Obamacare.

    2. One word reply: bullshit.

  20. Obama complained about BP spending $50 million on an a PR campaign and then we find out he and the Democrats are going to spend $125 million to due the same thing with the corrupt healthcare bill? We have trillions and trillions in corrupt spending and debt and they want to spend another $125 on advertising? Obama and the Democrats are out of their mind. Mr. President take that money and send it to help the earthquake victims in Haiti, or help the people in the Gulf hit by the oil spill, or hey…how about helping some unemployed people. We don’t need the democrats wasting $125 million on propoganda! Come on!!!!

  21. Obama going forth to sell Obamacare will help to shine the light on how bad it is for everyone. The more he promotes it the better for the opposition to point out the horrors. Bring it on BO.

  22. “Certainly letting 45,000/year (and growing) die traceable to lack of health insurance, is a problem.”

    This number is fiction. You say it is traceable- trace it or stop using it.

  23. Voting for HCR should be the unequivocal basis for denial of re-election for any congressman up in November. It will state: Governing against the will of the people will be your end… decisively and invariably.

  24. We complicate our views of HCR by failing to keep in mind the simple and basic information we had prior to its passage, namely that there was absolutely no politcal or economic disagreement that Medicare, along with Social Security and Medicaid, were unsustainable insofar as being able to provide the benefits once believed to be guaranteed. There was also no disagreement, on either right or left, regarading the reality that taxes could not be raised high enough, and spending could not be kept under enough control, to be able to deliver these benefits under any scenario.

    These facts alone should have informed the entire debate and given pause to the Administration and Congress about putting in place the most costly new entitlement program in a generation. That they did anyway says more than any amount of pontificating could. We are being led by the most naive, ideologically driven, unrealistic group of politicians in our history–and we are being led over a cliff with our eyes wide open.

    1. Amen Peter and well said!! I will add that no souls on either the left or the right believed that reforming the health care system to reign in runaway costs was not a mandate of great importance to all of the people. Unfortunately, they did exactly the opposite. Much more disturbing though is the way they went about constructing the montrosity that became, and then perpetuating a series of lies and bribes, and bypass of standard legislative process in order to make it law, which so clearly demonstrates their willingness to act in defiance of the will of the people that elected them to represent us. For this, there can never be forgiveness and all such participants will be escorted out of the federal government as soon as possible.

      I’m always amused at the continued talk of the unjust wars that Bush started in his 8 years. I don’t hear too much about the fact that Obama has waged his own special war against the people of the USA. He will not win it.

  25. To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
    Thomas Jefferson

  26. Okay, I found the study. It is from a team of Harvard University medical researchers and was published in the American Journal of Public Health. What it actually states is that Americans 64 years of age and younger are forty percent more likely to die if they lack health insurance. This is not remotely the same as saying anyone dies because they lack insurance. Correlation does not equal causality.

    Interestingly, a prior study in 1993 showed only a twenty five percent higher risk of early death for those lacking insurance. It is unlikely that “lack of insurance” mutated and became more virulent during this time, so the true figure probably is nebulous at best.

    In any event, the study did not conclude that lack of insurance caused any death, only that those without insurance were more likely to die before the age of sixty-five.

    The studies also have serious problems, among which is the lack of reliable longitudinal data. In other words, if a subject is uninsured at the time of the interview, he/she is deemed uninsured through the lifetime of the study. If the person died at any time during the study period, the death was then correlated with lack of insurance. In other words, if I was between jobs for a week and lacked insurance during that week while I was being interviewed, I’d be deemed uninsured even if I had insurance every single day for the rest of my life. Studies have shown that the majority of people who are without health insurance regain it within a year, so clearly this component of the study is seriously flawed.

    There was also no data regarding the medical conditions that caused the deaths in question nor did they track what medical care the subjects received. Both of these would be key elements to understanding what role any lack of insurance might have played.

    There is also the glaring problem of selection bias. The “uninsured” in the study are overwhelmingly skewed toward the poorly educated, low socioeconomic strata. The participants were also likely to be minorities and unemployed. All of the above demographics have been demonstrated time and time again to be more likely to die of all causes in any given period. This means that the study group was overwhelmingly skewed toward a group more likely to die anyway than a control population. This would be like studying the prevalence of liberals in America by sampling people exclusively living in San Francisco.

    In conclusion, the study cited above contains very serious errors in methodology, particularly if the study results are to be used to determine causality of death, rather than to simply point out a correlation of a lack of insurance and an increased likelihood of death. The fact that it has been used, as above, as evidence of any kind to support a need for a national health insurance program demonstrates the intellectual dishonesty of those who use it as such.

    1. Bravo Contrarian P.

  27. It’s easy for DEMs to debate Health care, just expose the complete GOPocrisy from Conservatives and their disingenuous attacks, and selfish and greed from the GOP voters(most of whom are old)
    1. Where was all this teaparty fiscal responsibility outrage when GWB & the GOPs were shoving their UNPAID for COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT RUN Medicare Part D down our throat? Where are the calls to repeal it NOW? It’s unsustainable. It was the day it was passed.

    2. On one hand GOPs trumpet the individual consumer shopping for health insurance as the answer then are outraged when it happens by way of employers dropping their health insurance. LIKE DAVID FRUM SAID, this is a GOOD THING. All of the GOP plans that actually cover anybody in a substantial way will accelerate this far faster than Obamacare, usually by giving HUUUUUUUUUGE UNPAID for tax credits(WELFARE HANDOUTS) to every man woman and child. If that’s not a reason for employers to drop their health insurance, I don’t know what is.

    1. You might be on the wrong site. People here are libertarians, mostly. Not conservatives.

  28. Rat vermin corrupted Boss Tweed-Obama and his corrupted Tammany Hall regime is finally being exposed.
    Otraitor is a man-child emperor-with-no-clothes. He is a rat vermin traitor with a plummeting popularity rating because he hates America, hates freedom and hates liberty. He works for Goldman Sachs and the banking oligarchs along with Dodd and Frank. He supports expanded wars – but strangely Soros funded Code Pink and Media Matters are silent for this baby-dictator Obama. Obama is weak and the world is destabilizing, he is a slave to the oligarchical collectivists and rules our population with an iron fist with a velvet glove. Obama coddles terrorists, Iran, MS13 gangs, Mexican Narco-State Drug Czars and criminals with sanctuary and open borders.. He cracks down on the middle class – the law abiding tax paying child bearing middle class whom he considers subjects in his regime. His IRS has audited at a rate 300% above normal. His census is a Nazi-like info-gathering attempt. He has outspent all previous presidents in one year. He is big brother, he is a traitor and he is a little man child moron figurehead empty suit that acts childish and thin skinned because he is uneducated. Sure he was indoctrinated with progressive trash, but given what he says and thinks he is a stupid uneducated failure of a man that could not hunt, grow food for himself, nor even change his tire. He knows nothing of math, history, physics or chemistry, his ideas are idiot Alinsky eructations and regurgitations, his speech capability without a teleprompter is pathetic and he is one of the stupidest people to ever grace the Office of the President. This moron man-child Otraitor looks and acts like a thin skinned loser. He is a disgusting traitor and a progressive rat that will rot in hell.
    This Obama regime is the modern Boss Tweed Tammany Hall. The depraved nature of the Democrat party and its hidden progressive-Marxist agenda has been a cancer on America for well over a 100 years now, and today, the main stream media is controlled by the progressives so we don’t have Thomas Nast drawings exposing what this rat vermin Obama is doing.

  29. Rat vermin. Unconstitutional. NO, you cant take my money and give it to someone else for a long list of things you say they need. This will never end. And IM busy taking care of my family This is absurd to assault the middle class and the bankrupt states with this aggressive unconstitutional scandalous WRONG legislation. This is meant to lower care standards, it will raise rates, and I will NEVER participate in this communist trash, I will get on a plane to whatever country the doctors are all going to leave for (costa rica) and the major stuff Ill get done there. Ill buy emergency insurance for local accidental stuff. I will never be subjugated by this. And the real kicked, NO OPT OUT, no opt out means its TRASH, congress OPTED ITSELF OUT, but everyone else, no choice? I have a choice, good luck trying to make me pay for this trash.

    We are going to repeal it, and then we are going to start tearing down that FDR communist trash, , social security,medicare, etc. Its all going away, you went to far you progressive rat communists,.

    Its either ALL ENTITLEMENTS go away or EVERYONE PAYS A FLAT TAX. Thats it, you rats want more, but you pay none of the taxes, check out perot charts for reality. Half the people in the USA pay NOTHING, yet the whine.

    http://perotcharts.com/category/taxation-charts/page/11/

    Im done. I am totally against ALL entitlements now, EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. You pricks don’t deserve it. All of it must go now. No more education subsidy, no more social security no more medicare or medicaid no more SCIP no more anything. You went to far and now you need to see what you already had, you rats!

    You bankrupted the country with progressive trash, and now you are chasing all the work and businesses away. When FDR did this trash, there was no women laboring in the workforce, there was no India and China. Now every opportunity you drop due to progressive wealth redistribution will NEVER EVER COME BACK.

    Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions ? everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things:

    bread and circuses

    (Juvenal, Satire 10.77?81) (c. 150AD)

    They are bribing the middle class by using identity politics and bribing us…. WITH OUR OWN MONEY!!!

    WITH MY MONEY.

    I’m done. You’ve crossed the line. I need to feed my family, learn to make your own way you rats.

  30. Sorry. All of this is pointless, and if it had a point it would be a Cloward Piven deconstruction strategy. THE USA IS BROKE. Face it. Unemployment @ 10%. Underemployment @17%. True Unemployment, who knows? 20+% Can’t tax those who don’t work. 80% of the treasuries this year, 2009, were BOUGHT BY THE FED. That means the government is loaning to itself with interest that you are paying and inventing money because its broke. 1 in 6 FHA loans, which are new, are already delinquent. The country is broke, and if you are still thinking about getting something for nothing health care you are focusing on the wrong thing right now. The government is the enemy and the government has betrayed you. They have NOTHING, and anything the government does have they TOOK from someone else.

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  32. Barack Obama was faced with a horror-show of the crisis in the country to solve, but if that is at all possible for him to turn his tired eyes from the Apocalypse Ecological unfolding before him in the Gulf of Mexico, he might want to make the possibility of a biblical apocalypse in the Middle East really is a higher priority. Gazan suffering continue unabated, and anger about the region and that international collective punishment grow stronger. According to a survey Netanyahu horizon increasingly threatened around and inside Israel, he seems more inclined to ratchet up, rather than tamp down tensions. Israel has bad intentions of their enemies to worry about, it must also fear the risks and the predictability of poor leadership and his friends. Netanyahu needs to be saved from himself, and he needs Obama’s help to do it.

  33. Barack Obama was faced with a horror-show of the crisis in the country to solve, but if that is at all possible for him to turn his tired eyes from the Apocalypse Ecological unfolding before him in the Gulf of Mexico, he might want to make the possibility of a biblical apocalypse in the Middle East really is a higher priority. Gazan suffering continue unabated, and anger about the region and that international collective punishment grow stronger. According to a survey Netanyahu horizon increasingly threatened around and inside Israel, he seems more inclined to ratchet up, rather than tamp down tensions. Israel has bad intentions of their enemies to worry about, it must also fear the risks and the predictability of poor leadership and his friends. Netanyahu needs to be saved from himself, and he needs Obama’s help to do it.

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