Obamacare

New Poll: Voters Don't Like Health Care Reform, But Don't Want It Repealed Either

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Politico reports on recent poll data about the new health care law: 

The Quinnipiac polls, conducted in three states across the past month, all find likely voters to have complex and contradictory views on these repeal lawsuits as well as health care reform itself.By a slight majority, likely voters tend to oppose the health care reform law. But they also tend to oppose the repeal lawsuits as a "bad idea" that would, for a sizeable portion of voters, make them "less likely" to support a given candidate. In short, voters simultaneously don't want to health care reform but don't want to challenge it either.

I suspect mixed messages further reduce the chances that we'll see politicians make significant efforts to repeal the law. But the unpopularity of the law in its current state might be enough to build support for some significant reforms.

I argued that ObamaCare was unlikely to get more popular after passage here.

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  1. Repeal the law or face extreme consequences when it helps to bankrupt the U.S. Like people with torches extreme.

    1. I can envision the day that America is screaming for its bailout, using the look how much we’ve helped the world angle. Although China’s been bailing us out for years.

      1. Seriously, who the fuck is gonna bail us out? China can’t afford the totality of our bills, they’ve only been helping with a portion. Europe is fucked. And nobody else on the planet has money….cept maybe the Middle East.

        That’s when the alien’s show up, to bail out the entire planet. Too bad us humans suck at Fine Print. The interest rates on interstellar loans are…well, stellar. Then Earth gets foreclosed on and we’re all homeless.

  2. Suderman, you fucking losertairan fundamentalist, your opinons about health care reform are about as interesting as Pat Robertson’s views on evolution. Go suck Ron paul’s dick.

    1. Such deep thinking from a liberal. Go back to Daily Kos

      1. We have managed to ignore the troll on the other threads.
        Resist the urge. Be a human!

        1. I resent being implicated in the worthless rantings of some socialist nutcase.

        2. I don’t think that max is a troll, I propose that it is a bot. Does max ever respond to a post? It’s posts are usually at the top of a thread, like it waits for an article to be posted then pounces. Also the content of the bot’s posts are pretty much the author’s name, followed by key words strung together in a negative, but predictable, fashion. Finally a flourish at the end, with an entreaty to suck someone’s cock, usually Ron Paul.

          1. Oh shit, It responded to John at the bottom of the thread. My god, it has gone sentient, but its spelling has suffered, at least.

          2. I resent being compared to Max

            1. Sorry, but if it’s any consolation, your posts are much more entertaining than max’s.

    2. Red Velvet Cheesecake Recipe

      Crust Ingredients:

      2 cups chocolate graham cracker crumbs
      1/4 cup brown sugar
      1/4 cup butter, melted

      3 (8 ounce) packages cream cheese, softened
      1 1/2 cups granulated sugar
      4 eggs, beaten slightly
      3 tablespoons unsweetened cocoa
      1 cup sour cream
      1/2 cup buttermilk
      1 tablespoon vanilla extract
      1 teaspoon white vinegar
      2 (1 ounce) bottles red food coloring

      Topping Ingredients:

      4 ounces cream cheese, softened
      1/4 cup butter, softened
      2 cups confectioners’ sugar
      1 teaspoon vanilla extract

      Strawberries for garnish

      Red Velvet Cheesecake Directions:

      1. Mix together chocolate graham cracker crumbs and brown sugar. Add melted butter and mix well.

      2. Press mixture into bottom and up sides of 9-inch spring-form pan. Bake in 350 degree F oven for 10 minutes; cool slightly.

      3. In a large bowl combine cream cheese and sugar and beat with a mixer until combined.

      4. Add eggs, one at a time, beating well after each addition.

      5. Add cocoa, sour cream, buttermilk, vanilla extract, vinegar and red food coloring and continue to beat until filling is smooth and well mixed.

      6. Pour batter into prepared crust and bake at 325 degrees F for 1 hour and 15 minutes or until cheesecake looks almost set. Remove cheesecake from oven and cool in pan. Cover and chill in refrigerator overnight (in pan).

      7. To make the topping: Beat the cream cheese and butter in a large bowl until smooth. Gradually add powdered sugar and vanilla extract, beating until smooth. Spread evenly over top of cheesecake. Remove sides of spring-form pan and garnish if desired with fresh strawberries.

      1. red food coloring? Kind of a disappointing source of the color for something called “red velvet”.

        There’s got to be a red liqueur that would work…

  3. WOW!! You really nail things Max!! Nice thining!!

  4. Ugh, but unfortunately entirely what I predicted. There’s a pretty short window to repeal.

    The nature of our system makes passing new legislation much harder than repealing it (since repeal requires passing something else) in any case, even outside voter preferences.

  5. They may simply fear what may come to replace it.

  6. Further proof that polls (and their legally binding cousin, elections) are an insane way to conduct policy.

  7. This, coupled with the story yesterday about the “socialism”, “capitalism”, and “family values” poll, shows that most people just don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

  8. I should be on Reason’s parroll. Without my provocations, some of these goofy posts wouldn’t get more that 20 comments. You fucking market worshipers have never figured out how the market actually works, have you?

    1. Zippy Corn Chowder Recipe

      Ingredients

      * 2 pounds boneless, skinless chicken breasts, cubed
      * 4 tablespoons butter or margarine, divided
      * 1 large sweet red pepper, chopped
      * 2 medium leeks, chopped
      * 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
      * 1 tablespoon paprika
      * 4 cups chicken broth
      * 2 medium potatoes, cubed
      * 4 cups frozen corn
      * 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
      * 1 teaspoon salt
      * 1/2 teaspoon hot pepper sauce
      * 1 cup half-and-half cream

      Directions

      1. In a soup kettle or Dutch oven, saute chicken in 2 tablespoons butter until lightly browned; set aside and keep warm. In the same pan, saute the red pepper in remaining butter until tender. Add the leeks; cook for 1 minute. Stir in the flour and paprika until blended. Gradually stir in the broth. Add the potatoes; bring to a boil.
      2. Reduce heat; cover and simmer for 15 minutes or until the potatoes are tender.
      3. Stir in corn, Worcestershire sauce, salt, hot pepper sauce and reserved chicken; bring to a boil. Reduce heat. Cook, uncovered, for 5-8 minutes or until corn is tender, stirring occasionally. Stir in cream and heat through (do not boil).

      1. That sounds pretty good, actually. Do you think fresh corn on the cob would work? Or would it get to mushy?

        1. Better ask Michelle Obama if we can eat it, first.

          1. I hope you are not copy and pasting these recipes. Losing the mental image of some maniac in a chef’s hat feverishly typing out recipes in response to a bot/troll is too funny to let go of.

      2. I’m totally making this soon. One question first – can I substitute scallions, green onions, or yellow onion for the leeks, or would that ruin it???

        1. Onion-onions have more water than leeks, and scallions/greenonions have more flavor. Other than that, i don’t see why it wouldn’t work.

      3. That’s chicken corn chowder.

  9. I’m sure the confusion in those poll results has nothing to do with the phrasing of the questions.

  10. Reason needs registration. The number of trolls has gone up alarmingly lately.

    1. Trolls are al that keep this ship afloat, moron.

      1. How to change a headlight bulb on a VW:

        Passenger side headlight bulb on a 2000 Passat. Remove the air induction housing and the bulb can be accessed quite easily. No need for any special tools. Driver side: Remove the black rubber cap on the back of the assembly, open clip (metal clip, no tool necessary) and access the bulb for replacement.

        1. The 2002 GTI is the same.

          1. Are they ever going to make that 3.0 GTI again? I think it was called the RL. Sweet ride – a car that small with that much juice is a lot of fun to drive.

      2. Reason needs its trolls like China needs American consumers (it doesn’t).

      3. No kidding. I mean really, the only posts that break 100 are the ones where liberals provoke shit. And this is supposed to be the silent majority? Huffpost easily gets 10,000 comments on a post about Bo Obama.

        1. Are there that many ways to say “Isn’t he dreamy?”

        2. I guess we need more posts about boobies to attract the riff-raff.

        3. Quality, Tony, not Quantity.

        4. The silent majority is called such because it’s… silent.

          Not that libertarians are such, though. Or have claimed to be.

    2. Eh, that doesnt really help, Politico has registration and its littered with retarded trolls.

      1. I think people are getting bots and trolls confused.

        Registration only stops bots (for now). Trolls are losers with WAY MORE than enough time to fill out a stupid registration form.

        1. nevermind. You can still use a bot with registration, you just need to sign your bot up 1st.

          I guess it can also be somewhat effective against trolls if you wanted to start banning people for *insert controversial standards here*

  11. I like to eat cum. Lots of thick, creamy cum.

  12. Pay attention to me! I’m important! STOP IGNORING ME!

  13. Of course, the Politico article is misleading spin. The writer does her best to suggest running against HCR if a bad idea, according to the poll. But what the poll actually shows is that people don’t want to courts to overturn it.

    In other words (surprise, surprise) a majority doesn’t want activist courts. Which is not the same as saying a majority wouldn’t support legislative repeal, or at least massive overhaul.

    1. But what the poll actually shows is that people don’t want to courts to overturn it.

      In other words (surprise, surprise) a majority doesn’t want activist courts having a fucking clue that overturning unconstitutional laws is what courts are supposed to do.

  14. People what change, even though they have no idea what it is, or should be. It’s just a word to induce excitment these days.

  15. If the lawsuits are successful, they won’t repeal ObamaCare in its entirety — only the insurance mandate.

    If that happens, private health insurers will be out of business within two weeks, and we can say hello to socialized medicine to save us from “market failure”.

    Call me complex or contradictory if you want, but I oppose the lawsuits for that reason.

    1. Tulpa, private insurance is dead anyway, regardless of the lawsuits. Dead by design, of course. Self-insured companies are already saying they plan to drop their coverage and pay the fine when the day comes.

      I support the lawsuits; they can’t really make things any worse, and who knows, we may get a Court saying that there are limits to the federal government’s powers after all.

      1. “I support the lawsuits; they can’t really make things any worse

        I hope you fucking knocked on wood after that.

  16. We are surrounded by invincibly ignorant asshats…we hate this thing, but don’t you dare remove it. Pogo was right.

  17. Typical American views. American politics have made me come to the conclusion that you treat this country like a job. You make your money then look for greener pastures. People just use the government to screw over each other and their own future generation, then point the finger elsewhere when the scam blows up.

    1. I’ve almost reached the point of thinking it’s actually outright immoral to create offspring in this country.

      Or maybe I already have.

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