Health care reform

The Problem With Passing A Law So You Can See What's In it…

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Health care reform: Is there anything it can't do?

…is that all your supporters will just start imagining what's in it. And then you (or actually, innocent bystanders in the private sector) will have to talk them down from the ledge.

McClatchy's Margaret Talev reports on the early-Christmas rush by honest folks in search of that free health insurance they thought they'd heard about—and she gamely tries to blame their confusion on the Teabaggers:

"They're saying, 'Where do we get the free Obama care, and how do I sign up for that?' " said Carrie McLean, a licensed agent for eHealthInsurance.com. The California-based company sells coverage from 185 health insurance carriers in 50 states.

McLean said the call center had been inundated by uninsured consumers who were hoping that the overhaul would translate into instant, affordable coverage. That widespread misconception may have originated in part from distorted rhetoric about the legislation bubbling up from the hyper-partisan debate about it in Washington and some media outlets, such as when opponents denounced it as socialism.

"We tell them it's not free, that there are going to be things in place that help people who are low-income, but that ultimately most of that is not going to be taking place until 2014," McLean said.

Adults with pre-existing conditions are frustrated to learn that insurers won't have to cover them until 2014 (though those under 18 will be protected in late September); then they become both hopeful and confused upon learning that a federal high-risk pool for them will be established in the next few months. "Health insurance is so confusing. You add this on top of it and it makes it even more confusing," McLean said.

This article apparently prompted a vigorous debate that ended with McClatchy clear-cutting its comments section. Among the survivors we can still locate thoughts like this one from TxnByBrth "There's a direct correlation between those that expected 'free' health care and those who voted for Obama…not to hard to figure out."

I'd like to join in the funmaking, but how can this be a surprise? The first rule of freeloading is that you have nothing to gain by being shy. Of course people are making the phone call. Who can say for sure that if you called an insurance company right now and said "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act says you have to sell me insurance now," you wouldn't get somewhere?

Talev is silly not just for trying to blame the opponents of the PPACE, but for thinking any blame is needed. There's a new benefit on the table. Anybody who isn't grabbing for it already is unworthy to be a citizen of Schnorrerstan.

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  1. And I won’t have to worry about puttin’ gas in my car, I won’t have to worry about my mortgage….He’s gonna help me.

    1. I stopped paying my mortgage a year ago January. I’ve been forwarding the bank notices to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I sure hope the Post Office hasn’t been losing those before they get to Obama. (You know how ineffective government agencies can be.)

      Tomorrow I cancel my health insurance.

      1. You’re the perfect Obamastan citizen.

        1. It’s spelled “Obamistan”.
          And it’s citizens are called “Obamis”

          1. That’s important so they know where to send my check.

          2. No, the citizens are “Obams”; “Obamis” are the unit of currency.

            1. I live in Tamikastan. Just as bad.

            2. “No, the citizens are “Obams”; “Obamis” are the unit of currency.”

              Obamis are also called “Obama money” by some women in Detroit.

              1. Can the United States secede from Michigan?

                1. I hope so. There are quite a few states I would like the United States to secede from. The only problem could be that they still might recieve Foreign “aid”.

                2. Not on my watch, motherfuckers!

                3. Can the United States secede from Michigan?

                  The question is can we secede from California?

                  1. Maybe Steely Dan will go back to Annandale and take care of it for us. There has been a spate of earthquakes recently. Sacramento can be the new Atlantis.
                    [Dear God, California is my favorite State…]

              2. Which can only be printed by the outfit known as “The Stash”

                1. Which can only be printed by the outfit known as “The Stash”

                  Which would make Bernanke the “Chairman of the Stash”.

  2. this is like farming…health care has to grow from the seed…in about 4 years health care is gonna be awesome.

    1. Awesome ??? You’re kidding, right? If not, you sir, are a moron.

        1. No, he’s just a moron. I would have though you’d know your own.

  3. This is what I had in mind in the first place. Why did it take so long for everyone to get accustomed to it?

    1. Accustomed? More like too stupid to understand what’s going on.

  4. PPACE

    FFACE

    FIFY

  5. No no no…oh no…it’s not PPACE. He owns it….ObamaCare

  6. ROGULSKI: Did you get an application to fill out yet?

    WOMAN: I sure did. And I filled it out, and I am waiting to see what the results are going to be.

    ROGULSKI: Will you know today how much money you’re getting?

    WOMAN: No, I won’t, but I’m waiting for a phone call.

    ROGULSKI: Where’s the money coming from?

    WOMAN: I believe it’s coming from the City of Detroit or the state.

    ROGULSKI: Where did they get it from?

    WOMAN: Some funds that was forgiven (sic) by Obama.

    ROGULSKI: And where did Obama get the funds?

    WOMAN: Obama getting the funds from… Ummm, I have no idea, to tell you the truth. He’s the president.

    ROGULSKI: In downtown Detroit, Ken Rogulski, WJR News.

    1. Here is what the next Republican President should do. He (or she) should temporarily allow civilian flights into Guantanamo Bay and then anounce that people can pick up stimulus checks there. Then, while all of those people are there pull quickly shut down the base and give the land back to Cuba. Let the Castro Brothers deal with them. That is what their system of government was set up to handle.

  7. ROGULSKI: Did you get an application to fill out yet?

    WOMAN: I sure did. And I filled it out, and I am waiting to see what the results are going to be.

    ROGULSKI: Will you know today how much money you’re getting?

    WOMAN: No, I won’t, but I’m waiting for a phone call.

    ROGULSKI: Where’s the money coming from?

    WOMAN: I believe it’s coming from the City of Detroit or the state.

    ROGULSKI: Where did they get it from?

    WOMAN: Some funds that was forgiven (sic) by Obama.

    ROGULSKI: And where did Obama get the funds?

    WOMAN: Obama getting the funds from… Ummm, I have no idea, to tell you the truth. He’s the president.

    ROGULSKI: In downtown Detroit, Ken Rogulski, WJR News.

  8. ROGULSKI: Why are you here?

    WOMAN #1: To get some money.

    ROGULSKI: What kind of money?

    WOMAN #1: Obama money.

    ROGULSKI: Where’s it coming from?

    WOMAN #1: Obama.

    ROGULSKI: And where did Obama get it?

    WOMAN #1: I don’t know, his stash. I don’t know. (laughter) I don’t know where he got it from, but he givin’ it to us, to help us.

    WOMAN #2: And we love him.

    WOMAN #1: We love him. That’s why we voted for him!

    WOMEN: (chanting) Obama! Obama! Obama! (laughing)

    1. We love him for stealing some of that rich people money and giving it to the poor*.

      *America’s poor are hardly poor except for perhaps the poorest 10% of the “poor”.

  9. Scary, ain’t it?

    1. The conversations in Detroit? Yea, very much so. This is what happens when you allow Teacher Unions to control the educational system.

      1. I spent a few months in Detroit on a job, and was struck by how closely it resembled any number of fly-blown third-world cities I’ve been in. And that was in 1998, before the implosion of 2/3 of the Big Three. I can’t even imagine the place now.

        1. Many of the same problems exist – corruption, heavy regulations and lots of “aid” from Washington D.C. Notice the scare quotes. Foreign “aid” comes with strings attached. So does “aid” to favored industries. This aid also helps to attract the very corruption that leads to further economic problems. It is a vicious cycle.

          1. Ugh, I’m writing some Borderlands fanfic addressing this issue.

            1. Who’s the protaganist? Siren? The Hunter?

              1. I hope it’s Brick. I’d love to read about him going Berzerker on some faces in DC

  10. The people of Kyrgyzstan are revolting against corruption and their nation’s poor economic conditions. So, when will the people of the United States revolt over OUR corruption and poor economic conditions? Just asking.

    If This Be Sedition, Make the Most of It:

    http://c4ss.org/content/2172?u…..eed:+c4ss+

  11. The government’s own, um, “clarification efforts” are further confusing/misleading the public. Check this out and grok the doublespeak for “Immediately”. This couldn’t *possibly* be on purpose, could it?

    1. Gotta love this one “PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SALARY”. In other words you don’t have to be able to pay for the product you are buying.

      1. Well, since they’ve already outlawed “Discrimination Based on Intelligence”, it seems to be part of the pattern.

        1. We are living in the world of Harrison Bergeron.

          1. Type with more than two fingers? Guido, bring the pliers!

            1. I thought your name was Diana

    2. Obama the Eloquent made how many speeches about this, and yet there remains all this confusion?

      And what’s all this about “preventive care” that must be free? What does the term mean here?

      1. “Obama the Eloquent made how many speeches about this, and yet there remains all this confusion?”

        If you still don’t understand after his teleprompter made all of those speeches it must be because you are bitter and cling to your bible and your guns. 🙂 Right?

        1. I saw an eloquent once in the zoo. Can Obama the eloquent pick up things with his nose?

          1. Nellie the eloquent packed her trunk and said goodbye to the circus.

        2. I shot an eloquent in my pajamas one time. How it got there I’ll never know – oh wait, it was because of the high-paid speech writers.

  12. The sense of entitlement really is gag inducing.

    And I say that as someone who’s self-employed with a preexisting chronic condition. In fact, I was probably more vocal about my opposition to ObamaCare precisely because I have a preexisting chronic condition.

    I have to say it never occurred to me once that I might get free care out of this. I worked in healthcare reimbursement for a long time, so I guess I had a bit an inside scoop.

    On the other hand, there are a lot of people out there who think the world (and that means productive people like me) owes them something. We’ve managed to shame people into being less visibly racist in this country, among other things, and I think shaming people who want something for free really should be a top priority.

    I never assume I’m getting anything for free, and maybe that’s the only big difference between me and those people calling in for the free healthcare. I just don’t have that sense of entitlement. And that’s a values thing…

    I blame the utility crowd. You guys are a little too smart for our own good. What good is it to call people names like “welfare queen” if they don’t feel any shame when you do it? Give up the values side of the argument and you lose the whole thing.

    1. I call them welfare ‘tards.

    2. +10
      I agree with you, and I was (until very recently) in the same position.

    3. Just generally speaking, I think there are a lot of people with preexisting conditions that don’t like ObamaCare.

      If you know you have something, and you know that treatment may affect your quality of life, you want to be able to make those decisions for yourself, and I think most people realize that ObamaCare will mean less control over those kinds of quality of life decisions.

      I don’t have the stats, but I think a lot of people, for example, have been rejected for surgeries for things like hip replacements under Medicare, specifically because wheelchairs are less expensive than surgery. You’ve probably seen the advertisements for those little senior scooters on TV if you watch TV during the daytime?

      Medicare doesn’t want to pay for hip replacements if they think you’re gonna end up in a wheelchair eventually anyway, but they’ll pay for those little scooters.

      The bureaucrats that run Medicare aren’t as concerned with quality of life issues that don’t show up on a spreadsheet, and under ObamaCare, I guess that’s the way it should be…

      Why should they care if surgery would let you walk around on your own for a few more years? If they can save the system a few bucks by sticking you in a wheelchair, then that’s what they’re going to do.

      But I want to make those choices myself. And I think ObamaCare is pretty much certain to push those kinds of options out of the reach of more and more people. I don’t see why it wouldn’t.

      1. This is also a major concern for me… The other thing I am seeing about this whole “pre-existing conditions must be covered” notion is that sure, they must sell it to me, and I must buy it. But what is to prevent them from charging me whatever the fuck they please? I know there are provisions for “poor” folks, but I wont fall in to that bracket. At least not until I have to spend half of my income on a bullshit product that really only gets me a couple of bottles of pills a month that should only cost a fraction of what they do. This whole thing is a disaster…

      2. Actually to be more precise, my 500-600 dollar a month “free” healthcare plan that I will be forced to purchase will only get me a “discount” on my 200 dollar bottle of pills. And both of those prices are going to skyrocket. Awesome…

    4. We’ve managed to shame people into being less visibly racist in this country, among other things, and I think shaming people who want something for free really should be a top priority.

      My new bumper sticker reads:

      Americans Then: Give Me Liberty
      Americans Now: Gimme

      1. You selling those? I’ll buy one!

    5. We’ve managed to shame people into being less visibly racist in this country, among other things, and I think shaming people who want something for free really should be a top priority.

      To start, subsidized insurance applications should only be handled by local welfare office caseworkers.

      1. Welfare doesn’t carry the stigma that it should. It’s just normal life to a lot of people.

        Hell, they call food stamps “dignity cards” now.

        1. Wut.

          Where the fuck do they do that?

        2. In my state, they call them “Vision” cards. I truly believe that decreased admin costs was only part of the reason that they went to “debit” cards for food stamps.

          The main reason? So the leeches don’t have to go through the humiliation of pulling out the food stamps and go through the routine with the checker.

          They get to look like everyone else checking out unless you’re paying attention.

          1. That is absolutely the main reason.

  13. “There’s a direct correlation between those that expected ‘free’ health care and those who voted for Obama…not to hard to figure out.”

    Pretty much.

    But not all Obama voters wanted free stuff. Some just didn’t want to feel guilty not voting for the black guy.

    Combine both groups and you have a real life confederacy of dunces.

    1. Right. Because nobody on the opposite end of the political spectrum ever takes anything for free. There are no farmers receiving subsidies for growing nothing, no Medicaid recipients, and no just-plain-illiterate morons working the anti-Obama side of the equation.

      By all of which I don’t mean to say I support one side or the other. I suppose I’ve just reached my tolerance for people who act like the other side has all the rubes, their side has none.

      1. Welcome Ben. If you hang around for a few days or read through the archives you’ll learn that Reason’s writers have been consistently critical of farm subsidies and other middle-class entitlements.

        1. Why confuse people with reality? Everyone opposed to ObamaCare was in favor of the Iraq War too. …and torture. …and farm subsidies.

          Reality is just too complicated for some people. To them? You’re either with Obama or you’re against him. And if you’re against him, then you’re obviously in favor of farm subsidies.

          See? It isn’t really complicated at all.

          1. Are you confused by Ben P.’s position? There are obviously many anti-Obama people who support awful government intrusion; their hypocrisy is noted but not the subject of this conversation.

            Thanks for the update Ben P. but we don’t need to hear each time something disses Team Blue that Team Red did it too.

            1. I think a lot of you misunderstood what Ben was saying.

              I think he’s saying that no one can be against anything Obama does unless what Obama’s doing is completely unlike anything anyone’s ever done before!

              And anybody who doesn’t understand that is obviously… What?

              You’re right, I guess I don’t understand it either, but I’d get rid of Medicare tomorrow if could.

        2. Also, what makes anyone think farm subsidies are are Republican thing?

          it’s probably a 70/30 split towards the democrats.

          The last guy to try to eliminate farm subsidies was Newt Gingrich.

      2. Seriously, what’s the deal with so many people these days thinking that tu quoque is a valid counterargument in and of itself? Not just the trolls here, but all over society, I mean. (although it’s particularly bad here)

        It’s not a counterargument, it’s a form of ad hominem, dipshit.

        To answer the actual charge, you need to either point out that a majority of people who voted for Obama weren’t just looking for handouts (or secondarily, didn’t just vote for him because he’s black).

        Pointing out hypocrisy and then saying you hold your nose because you’re so much purer isn’t the same thing.

        Although, I will grant, rebutting those two charge about Obama voters is pretty much impossible, so you have to do something else. I get it.

  14. Hooray for the looter class!!! At this stage 10th amendment attacks and balkanization looks like a best case scenario.

  15. What will be really funny is when people start calling the Democrats and saying, ‘For years, you took a significant chunk of my life, now I’m coming for yours.’

  16. “…and she gamely tries to blame their confusion on the Teabaggers:”

    I occasionally make jokes blaming stuff on the racists in the Tea Party that couldn’t possibly be the Tea Party’s fault, racist of not. …but if life starts imitating humor, it really will take the fun out of it.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again–the two big parties strive to become the cartoonish characterizations their opposition makes them out to be. If you call them something long enough, eventually they will become what you call them.

    If only there were some way for libertarians on the sidelines to take advantage of that…

    1. Lets get started!

      Republicans are golden-egg-laying geese and Dems are Raindbow farting Unicorns.

      (ok, since those are imaginary things, the R’s & D’s should just blink out of existence soon, right?)

      1. Get some talent together and come up with a site like that. I’ll do the coding. It’ll be a hit!

      2. Wouldn’t the Dems be the golden-egg laying geese, as they give out more entitlements in the long run? Plus, the Republicans and their new “war can be okay as long as it’s done for democracy” line sounds about as plausible as a unicorn farting a rainbow.

  17. Obama and his flock of disciples, both in the administration and the various media, had daily proclaimed that without ObamaCare, 40,000 people a year were dying and would continue to die, and only ObamaCare would correct this injustice, so it must be passed NOW! To stop the 40,000 deaths! (Eventually.) Willing dupes heard everything but the “eventually” part.

    1. Scale the average percentage of people who die from lack of treatment options in socialist countries to a population the size of the United States. Any math people here who think it’s probably a lot bigger than 40,000?

      1. Yeah, but all those happy socialists, protected by The People’s Medicine, who happen to die while waiting for rationed care, officially expire due to “natural causes.” So the number is really quite small. Statistically insignificant. Nothing like the thousands of rotting corpses that litter America’s streets.

    2. You are right Ed and that is now going to bite them in the ass. I know several people who think that the bill ended the pre-existing coverage exclusion (it didn’t) and immediately provided insurance coverage for everyone. When they realize it does nothing of the sort beyond raising everyone’s insurance rates, people are going to be pissed.

      That is why I don’t buy the analogy between this and Social Security and medicaire. Those programs for all of their faults really did and do hand out goodies to lots of people. Obamacare doesn’t do shit. Obama and Congress are, thank God, too incompetant to even design a proper welfare program that gets people hooked. They have instead designed a complete mess that is only going to get more unpopular.

      1. Indeed, and then it will fail. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this idea is so ridiculous that it can only have been designed to fail. This failure will be blamed on the “market” and all freedom, innovation and common sense will be finally eradicated from the health care industry.

        1. Quote the Iron Law*:

          7. “Foreseeable consequences are not uninteneded.

          *As compiled by RC Dean

          1. I feel like all you ever do is read through all the comment logs looking specifically for places where you can reply with a Libertarian credo. Have you ever commented on something that wasn’t related to such? Just curious

            1. Sure. Many times.

      2. Even the Administration’s own Congressional panderers and propagandists (see Wasserman Schultz, Debbie) can’t seem to get the bill right even after it has been passed and all its mysteries will be revealed (Really! They will!)

  18. When i was 3 or 4, i got trampled at a community easter egg hunt.

    This HCR outcome isn’t surprising to me.

    1. Those Easter Bunnies are mean little shits.

  19. That actually makes sense when you think about it. Well done.

    Lou
    http://www.whos-watching.es.tc

  20. You tell ’em Lou Jack.

  21. There’s 1018 pages of shit here yet I can’t find my pony!

    1. The unicorn accidentally impaled and killed it.

    2. Shit happens.

      1. Then you die.

  22. You’ll love it when you’ve had a chance to…wait…The bill is passed. I don’t have to do this shit any more! Suck it, America. BwaHaHaHaHa!

    1. You forgot the part about how now you can quit defending it and start accusing the other side of wanting to take it away at the next election.

      It may be a sorry no-good entitlement bomb, but now it’s AMERICA’S sorry no-good entitlement bomb!

    2. Get on message, Val! Your boss has already said we can’t judge whether the bill was a good idea until it actually goes into effect.

      Facing a public still wary of his massive health care overhaul, President Barack Obama on Thursday urged Americans not to judge the nearly $1 trillion legislation he signed into law last week until the reforms take hold.

      […]

      “So, before we find out if people like health care reform, we should wait to see what happens when we actually put it into place. Just a thought.”

      1. “So, before we find out if people like health care reform, we should wait to see what happens when we actually put it into place. Just a thought.”

        But didn’t Comrade Barack say that, immediately following his signing of the law, that the sun was still shining, the birds still singing? Surely he meant that all of the effects of the law had, at that moment, been fully felt and that all was well. No?

        1. That boy is a lying sack of shit.

          1. That’ll get you sent to a reeducation facility these days.

      2. Wait just a cotton pickin’ minute there, Mr. Obama…first you said that we would love it once we saw what was in it, and now you’re saying it’s too early to love it because it hasn’t taken effect yet!

        1. If it’s any consolation, he told me he wouldn’t cum in my mouth, either. Executive privilege.

          1. As if you weren’t hoping for it, Val.

            1. It tasted like pineapples!

  23. I WANT MY MTV DEATH PANEL!

  24. I just wished Auto Insurance worked like ObamaCare. I could wait until after I had an accident to buy insurance, and drop it once the car was repaired. I could buy an old Studebaker hulk and expect the insurance company to restore it to pristine condition. Then drop the insurance until I wrecked it. Pass the costs on to those stupid working suckas.

    Next up: reform of the life insurance market – sell me insurance for the same rate regardless of age, health, or even if the insured is currently amoung the living. Yeah, that’s the ticket! Lots of dead ones in my family tree that need life insurance.

  25. “Nixon’s not bringing the smokes?!?!?”

  26. “we should wait to see what happens when we actually put it into place.”

    We should wait to see what happens when we actually put this stick into that hornet’s nest.

  27. the president himself has said it could take four years for the full plan to take hold.

    Since no one knows what either “the full plan” or “take hold” entails, that’s a safe meaningless statement. And lots of things *could* take four, or a thousand, years.

    Continuing to study Obamaese …

  28. This is also a major concern for me… The other thing I am seeing about this whole “pre-existing conditions must be covered” notion is that sure, they must sell it to me, and I must buy it. But what is to prevent them from charging me whatever the fuck they please? I know there are provisions for “poor” folks, but I wont fall in to that bracket. At least not until I have to spend half of my income on a bullshit product that really only gets me a couple of bottles of pills a month that should only cost a fraction of what they do. This whole thing is a disaster…

    Hmmmm . . . .

    How can we make this culsterfuck Obamacare bill work for us like the debts of wasteful lazy ass Greeks and subprime mortgage directives from Washington DC did in the previous decade?

    “Boss! Boss! I have a great idea! Subprime securitizations of Insurance Policies!”

    1. Look up “secondary life settlement”.

  29. OK, I’ll be honest with all of you. It doesn’t matter, because the bill is law and there’s nothing you can do about it. The truth is, we lied. There. I said it. We lied because you are incapable of comprehending the truth. That’s why you elected us. So stop your damn belly-aching and suck it up. You think this bill is bad? You don’t know the meaning of bad! We’ll rain hellfire down on your cracker asses before we’re through.

    1. Ms. Jarrett misspoke.

      Her use of the term “cracker” was unfortunately outdated, although well-intentioned.

      1. What he said.

        1. I would add…am I evil or what?

          http://blacksnob.com/storage/p…..pt-001.jpg

      2. Let me be clear.

        I have spoken passionately with Ms. Jarrett and Mr. Gibbs, and we have reached complete mutual understanding and agreement. There is no place in this Administration, indeed in this great nation, for “cracker asses.”

  30. Time for a new Iron Law:

    It can always get worse.

    Boss! Boss! I have a great idea! Subprime securitizations of Insurance Policies!

    Premiums create more or less stable income streams, just like mortgages. I see no reason it couldn’t be done.

    1. RC, what makes you think this has not has not already been formulated in the the calculus?

    2. It can will always get worse.

      FIFY

      1. I used to not be a pessimist, but when a) Micheal Bay gets to keep making movies and b) he’s rebooting “A Nightmare on Elm Street,” I believe this warrants such pessimism. So much for “This too shall pass.”

        1. Everything is recycled.
          Just about time for another version of A Star Is Born.

          1. Everything is recycled.

            Indeed. I’m still waiting for the remake of Fiddler on the Roof.

            Not likely.

          2. Just about time for another version of A Star Is Born.

            Should have been done ten years ago, with Whitney, Bobby, and a screenplay by Terry McMillan.

            1. I understand Miley Cyrus is available…

    3. That is delectably diabolical, R C.

      So the insurance company becomes like a broker, and can write policies without having to worry about whether they make any sense, because it can then bundle those policies and move them out the door to … whom? INSURA MAE? MEDI MAC?

      And then in 50 years, when the health care GSEs are guaranteeing like 98% of the market, our grandchildren will be able to offload the whole problem on the Vulcans.

      That is a satanically seductive swindle, a fiendishly fantastical farrago. It’s meant to be.

      1. So the insurance company becomes like a broker, and can write policies without having to worry about whether they make any sense, because it can then bundle those policies and move them out the door to … whom? INSURA MAE? MEDI MAC?

        Nope.

        COVA MAE & BIG MAC.

  31. Wait just a cotton pickin’ minute there, Mr. Obama…first you said that we would love it once we saw what was in it, and now you’re saying it’s too early to love it because it hasn’t taken effect yet!

    “How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?”

    Also, … RAACIST!!

  32. I’m gonna get me some Obama Health Care

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