ObamaCare: More Ambiguity Than a David Lynch Movie?
No matter how much time you spend staring at it, you can never be quite sure just what it all means. I've already asked whether the individual mandate might be unenforceable. Here are some other questions about the law and its possible outcomes:
- Will the tax hikes actually raise enough revenue to cover all the planned new spending? Cato's Alan Reynolds thinks it's likely that they won't. More discussion from David Henderson here.
- Presuming that it can be enforced, is the individual mandate penalty high enough to get individuals to buy in? Or will lots of people—perhaps enough to cripple the system—pay a penalty and opt out until they're sick? Lots of interesting discussion here: Bryan Caplan, Arnold Kling, Austin Frakt, Reihan Salam, Tyler Cowen, Frakt (again), Salam (again).
- Will insurers take advantage of the fact that they're allowed to refuse to cover kids with preexisting conditions, despite the fact that Congress promised—and seems to have intended—otherwise? Democrats may update the law to match their promises, and insurance companies have said they won't block attempts to do so. But as Jake Tapper notes, "The law wasn't written the way it was being sold to the public."
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Well we passed the bill!! Now you get to find out what's in it!!
Nuff said
You'll love it once you understand it!
Thread winner.
I want to see Obama show up on people's doorsteps and try to enforce it.
HAHAHAHA
I've been meaning to ask this for awhile.
Why can't we comment on brickbats anymore?
Silencio
My thought exactly. If we can get Naomi Watts in hot lezbo action for while we're waiting for hours on end, I might see some merit in Obamacare.
I would say that ObamaCare is up to Eraserhead levels of ambiguity, dude, way past Lost Highway.
I'd go so far as to say that ObamaCare has entered Lair of the White Worm territory.
Unlike Ken Russell, David Lynch is actually watchable in certain instances.
Ken's a wacko, but I like his work. Totally different than Lynch, though, you idiot, but I guess I shouldn't expect someone like you to know the difference.
Healthcare? Fuck that shit. Pabst Blue Ribbon!
PABST. BLUE. RIBBON!
The Devild is one of the greatest motion pictures of all time.
hell, like all his movies though.
Big talk from someone with a secret stash of Justin Bieber mp3's.
I liked Lair of the White Worm.
Go watch On the Silver Globe:
http://www.amazon.com/Silver-G.....B000ROA04A
I enjoyed Lost Highway... Obamacare... not so much.
Neonatal care under Obamacare will probably approach Eraserhead-quality.
It's a travesty of Caddyshack II proportions that all the right people, all the smart people, all the concerned people cannot yet even tell what's in the bill, much less whether it's good policy. I'm no historian, but is this the worst Congress ever?
No way. Pelosi is the most powerful waman in American history. Thake that Susan B Anthony!
And who gave Pelosi that title? The MSM, of course. They worship power, they envy political power especially, just as politicians envy and worship those brainless stars in the entertainment industry. They lick each others' balls.
""And who gave Pelosi that title? The MSM, of course. ""
Here's a clue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.....succession
Democrats may update the law to match their promises, and insurance companies have said they won't block attempts to do so.
Three points:
(1) It is pretty clear in the statute that an insurance company can refuse to insure a kid with pre-existing conditions through, I believe, 2014.
What they can't do, starting this year, is carve out a pre-existing condition from coverage extended to a kid.
(2) The Dems aren't going to "update" the law. Instead,
(3) DHHS is going to write a rule that is inconsistent with the statute (and, thus, ultra vires and unconstitutional, that bars insurance companies from covering a kid with pre-existing conditions, effective this year.
There was some garble about rulemaking to "clarify" an "ambiguity", but that's pretty much horseshit. The statute isn't ambiguous on this point; it just doesn't match the press releases.
Have any of your outside counsel summarized the bill from the industry perspective yet?
Not in any meaningful way.
I did attend a "Jobs Bill for Lawyers"
webinar today. Very high-level.
One thing I learned was that these two bills are so fucked up that you can't even get consistent citations or good references from anyone. Including Congress.
Sounds like Sarbanes-Oxley, sort of.
If you get a canned summary (i.e., one not prepared for your company), you should share with one of the writers here. I bet there will be some shocking revelations.
these two bills are so fucked up that you can't even get consistent citations or good references from anyone.
Delightful! So, in a way, it's actually a *good* (or at least *consistent*) thing no one has read it.
It's HIPAA, but for people!
""(3) DHHS is going to write a rule that is inconsistent with the statute (and, thus, ultra vires and unconstitutional, that bars insurance companies from covering a kid with pre-existing conditions, effective this year.""
Yeah, the dems won't understand the uncontitutional part until the DHHS from a republican admin starts writing rules. Only then will they admin it's wrong.
"The law wasn't written the way it was being sold to the public."
1) Well, duh, nobody has read the monstrosity.
2) Why should this one be any different?
Beat me to it. And double-duh - I'm shocked - SHOCKED - that we've been misled lied to by the government. Shocked.
(3) DHHS is going to write a rule that is inconsistent with the statute (and, thus, ultra vires and unconstitutional, that bars insurance companies from covering a kid with pre-existing conditions, effective this year.
If the Dems were smart, they would introduce a bill to do this rather than through the HHS. And then dare the GOP to filibuster it.
Whoa. Long time no see.
It has been nice.
I've been lurking...not enough time to post these days.
""If the Dems were smart,""
I think you could stop right there.
Moving something personal like health care into the realm of partisan politics requires the absences of smart.
Yay! It's just like the tax code!
I want you to get the ObamaCare bill!
And I want you to study that motherfucker!
And I want you to obey the rules!
And rock back and forth as you memorize it without understanding!
If you dislike tailgaters, you'll want to watch this.
Sweet.
Written? The bill wasn't fucking read! Besides, the American people don't care about process. Write the bill, read the bill, who gives a rat's fat ass. 30 million Americans who have never even heard of doctors will now have "affordable, quality" access to health care. People don't have time to worry about how a bill is written or passed. They just want their new, hip, cool, biracial, post-partisan prez to have a victory. Someone has to clean up Bush's mess. It takes government to clean up a government mess. How about a nice swift kick to the dick to make you forget all about me (s)mashing you in the face!?
Will insurers take advantage of the fact that they're allowed to refuse to cover kids with preexisting conditions?
Why do the Democrats hate me?
Because your parents should have got a job before getting knocked up.
My Mom worked at McD's. I was conceived on the frenchfryer. So, I ask again ...
They say she's retarded, but those titties ain't retarded!
Democrats don't hate you, little buddy. Without you, Democrats wouldn't have anecdotes with which to "debate" health care on C-span. One day, when you grow up healthy and strong after Dr. Pelosi and Dr. Barack take good care of you, you won't have to wear your dead sibling's dentures. Democrats can't gain popular support without every sort of victim you can think of, so cheer up lil' fella.
Thanks so much, Hank!
Now I know my formerly-miserable life has a glorious purpose!
Garmanbozia.
Oops, Garmonbozia (pain and sorrow).
Boy that's smooth! Smooth as shit off a duck's ass.
You receive a mandate from me, and you're fucked forever! YOU UNDERSTAND, FUCK?!
You'll fuck anything that moves?
ObamaCare went out to play. When it passed through the door, it caused a reflection. Evil was born. And followed ObamaCare.
This is the best Lynch reference yet. But has anyone here other than the two of us actually watched Inland Empire? That club's more exclusive than MENSA.
FWIW, I've watched it 2 or maybe 3 times. Solid gold.
I'm ashamed to admit I haven't seen it, TPOG. (You'll always be The Art-P.O.G. to me.)
But it's on my short list now.
More to the point, did anyone here other than me see it in the theater?
And yeah, a friend bought me the DVD. It really is classic Lynch.
I didn't see it until it was on DVD. I'm not sure if any theaters around here (Columbus, OH) even showed it during the original theatrical run.
I lived in LA at the time. There aren't many advantages to it, but being able to see films like that in the theater is one.
OT
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At first I thought you were making sci-fi references. Then I found out the technology you are referring to is real.
Apparently, the Suit has already gone on record saying the bill needs some "fine tuning".
Took me by surprise, it did.
Actually, Inland Empire has the perfect quote to describe the health care bill: If today was tomorrow, you wouldn't even remember that you owed, on an unpaid bill.
I also like this.
Lynch
This is racism ambiguously up.
Why do I feel like I just bought a Shamwow?
If you come upon a human ear in a vacant lot, ask yourself, if it's unconstitutional to require people to buy health insurance, isn't it equally wrong to require them to buy auto insurance? Or attempt to cramp their driving style with traffic laws?
Dennis Hopper Lookalike
I don't get it.
Blue Velvet reference. And yes, Dennis gets it in the end.
I suppose if you conflated the government making you do anything with making you buy health insurance, then yes.
But given that words mean things, the answer would be "no".
I have to give props for the pic. That guy from Lost Highway is f'n creepy.
And the fact that he's Robert Blake makes it even creepier.
which is it; art imitates life or life imitates art?
I was just about to google "lynch obama" to find out how high this blog post ranks for that query, and castigate you all for being racists.
Trouble is, as soon as I had typed "lync", Google toolbar filled in the rest of "lynch obama" for me. It's a public computer, so I'm wondering who the fuck was using it before me that typed that in.
Trouble is, as soon as I had typed "lync", Google toolbar filled in the rest of "lynch obama" for me.
That's due to the Southern Poverty Law Center's search for racist militia members.
That would be me.
Googling "lynch obama", huh?
Somebody can expect a visit from Homeland Security.
My snakeskin jacket is a symbol of my individuality and my belief in personal freedom. Both of which I stand to lose a lot of, because of this crappy bill.
Suderman is a racist for using that caricature image of Obama.