Reason Saves Cleveland With Drew Carey! Coming March 15!
Click above to watch Drew introduce the series that just might save his hometown. And yours.
Reason Saves Cleveland With Drew Carey is an original Reason.tv documentary series that will air during the week of March 15-19.
Featuring sitcom legend, Price Is Right host, and proud Clevelander Drew Carey, each 10-minute episode investigates and analyzes the problems that turned Cleveland from the nation's sixth-largest city in 1950 into today's "Mistake By The Lake."
Like all too many American cities, Cleveland seems locked into a death spiral, shedding people, jobs, and dreams like nobody's business. When it comes to education, business climate, redevelopment, and more, Clevelanders have come to expect the worse. Is a renaissance possible? Of course it is, but only if the city's leaders and residents are willing to learn from other cities such as Houston, Chicago, Oakland, and Indianapolis. And only if they're willing to try new approaches to old problems.
Reason.tv's Nick Gillespie narrates and talks with educators, elected officials, businesspeople, policy experts, and residents from all walks of life. Stay tuned for a documentary series that maps a route back to prosperity and growth not just for Cleveland but for other once-great American cities.
Reason Saves Cleveland with Drew Carey is written and produced by Paul Feine; camera and editing by Roger Richards and Alex Manning.
For a full episode guide and release schedule—and video of Drew talking about how what's wrong with Cleveland can be helped by Adam Smith's invisible hand—go here.
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Wow, is this dude seriously way too full of himself or what??
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Where are the morning links?
The same place garbage men ,mail carriers,and stock exchange employees are.Home celebrating President's Day.
Well goddamn.
...only if the city's leaders and residents are willing to learn from other cities such as Houston, Chicago, Oakland, and Indianapolis.
Oakland? Something good happened in Oakland?
And Chicago is such a swell example for other cities to follow.
Actually, Chicago is great. You must be going off sensationalized media stories. The city itself is vibrant and beautiful. For the most part.
Other than, y'know, the endemic and pervasive corruption and ridiculous gun laws and cetera. But it is a nice place to visit - I could never live there.
"But it is a nice place to visit - I could never live there."
Which is why Chicago is one of the best kept secrets in the nation. The stories about it keep everyone away. They think it's an unbearably cold cess-pool of corruption and violence, and a short visit isn't likely to break down the barrier of that assumption. Once you live here you notice that it's remarkably tolerant of individual freedom for a big city. The cops leave people alone for the most part (except for the sensationalized stories), and whatever the regulations may be for businesses, they don't seem to be too strictly enforced. As for the weather, it's not nearly as bad as people say.
I visited Chicago for three days a few years back. Wandered into the wrong part of the city. Scared the hell out of me and the Mrs.
Live here in Chicago. Wouldn't even consider anyplace else.
I'll bet you just "thought" you were in the wrong place. Not too many places in this town you can't walk around without trouble.
I used to work there. "Hated it."
Well, I guess I can't argue if that's how you feel. I love it, personally.
Who are you quoting?
In Living Color! That's who he's quoting.
I thought this was about Cleveland. Can we get back to that?
I am fucking from Chicago. Its a wonder to me why businesses still think Chicago and suburbs are such a fucking wonderful place to locate. The tax credits must be enough to offset the bullshit zoning laws, paternalism, and corruption.
Something must be going right, because going about my day to day life here the city seems in good shape. A good job market, a variety and abundance of various businesses. Do you live here now?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/op.....7711.story
I don't think Chicago is a whole hell of a lot more tolerant than other hipster filled cities. Actually, I think Balko's analysis is pretty accurate, and its one of the worst. Sure, regulations might not be evenly enforced, until you stop paying the "rent" or someone downtown decides they don't like you.
Couldn't wait to get away from the taxes, entitled yuppies, unions, cops, democrats, and those thugs sharpton and jackson.
Ha. You nailed it with the hipsters and entitled yuppies. What's nice, though, is that the city is pretty heterogeneous. The hipsters stay along the blue line for the most park, mainly in Wicker Park. The yuppies stay as close to downtown as they can afford. But there are tons of places that are legit.
And as for the tolerance of the city, you're right. Depends on who you are and what you do exactly. But it's not NEARLY as bad as everyone thinks. I used to live in Texas, which you would think would be very free for the individual, but it's pretty stifling down there. You can't drive five miles down a highway without seeing a few cops. Every little thing you do is scrutinized by a large and attentive police force. At least in Chicago the police are generally too lazy to pay attention. So regardless of the laws on the books, in practice they don't really affect much. Or so it seems to me.
Every now and then I miss living in Chicago. The Red Line will take you pretty much anywhere fun in the city, it has spectacular architecture and the best skyline in the world, five pro sports teams, great museums, lots of great food, and the city is surprisingly drivable considering the amount of traffic. On the other hand, the local pols are horribly corrupt, the cops are fucking pigs, the taxes were bullshit, saleries were kind of crap for the cost of living and the creeping paternalism was annoying as hell. I still love the city, but I wouldn't live there again.
"Actually, Chicago is great. You must be going off sensationalized media stories. The city itself is vibrant and beautiful. For the most part."
Um yeah...but you left out the last part and should read "For the most part bankrupt".
"Actually, Chicago is great. You must be going off sensationalized media stories. The city itself is vibrant and beautiful. For the most part."
Um yeah...but you left out the last part and should read "For the most part bankrupt".
Anyone see the 12-page advertisement in this month's issue? WTF?
Come on, Reason, why are you reinforcing the tin-foil hat stereotype of Libertarians?
It's really not that hard to skip.
That's not the problem.
what was the ad for?
This goddamn crazy bullshit about some secret that's being held from YOU by the elite, and how for the low price of such-and-such you can buy this book that will unlock the secret to bringing you into elite status. Also, the proceeds for the book go to some wacky political party. Or something like that. You should check it out, it's quite the embarassment for Reason (which is a shame because I love (and donated) to this magazine).
Embarrassment*
Dear God!
::faints::
Its "Mistake by the Lake" not "on the Lake". Times change, cities and towns are created and die. Nothing to see here.
True, but big cities never really die unless the civilization they are a part of does. They just fester. Why not try to prevent that?
Yes,it is by and not on. Fixed.
Social engineering doesn't work. I think the usefulness of cities like Detroit and Cleveland are over, unless there's something to attract new investors there time is over.
Why would you think Reason would make a series about social engineering?
Granted, I can't watch the video due to limitations with my work-computer, but I can't imagine they'd suggest social engineering.
Their premise, I would guess, would be to relax any sort of external engineering whatsoever, thus letting the economy naturally correct itself.
I took a shit in Cleveland once.
Why didn't you take it all?
That's nothing. I took a Detroit in Cleveland once.
I think you just won for the day.
I took a powder and am now somewhere else entirely.
We'll see. I'll be watching the series. Like to know how they'd clean up the lake using market economics. I live across the lake from Cleveland, would love to see it happen.
Like to know how they'd clean up the lake using market economics.
Sell the lake. Property rights work wonders.
Who owns the lake now?
This is the flaw in the "privatize everything" theory that I can see. At some point nothing was private property. That means that at some point someone has to use force to take ownership of everything that is owned. Who can be said to be a legitimate owner of Lake Erie now who can sell it? If anyone wants to straighten me out on this, please do.
Just off the cuff, you could do an auction, with proceeds going as a lump sum to everyone living there.
"Though the earth and all inferior creatures be common to all men, yet every man has a "property" in his own "person." This nobody has any right to but himself. The "labour" of his body and the "work" of his hands, we may say, are properly his. Whatsoever, then, he removes out of the state that Nature hath provided and left it in, he hath mixed his labour with it, and joined to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his property"
-John Locke, second treatise on civil government.
Half the lake is owned by the Govt of Canada, I don't think they'd go for your plan. What incentive is there to keep the lake clean (or should I say, make the lake clean) IF most of the money for owning it would be in industrial use?
Applying Locke's principle to lakes is a bit more tricky than it is for land, however now that I've thought about this, it is not too much so.
I believe it (would have) worked like the following:
There's really no use of the land of the lake, specifically, so ownership is not exactly apportioned in that way Instead, the original owners would be fishers who own the largest area of the lake they are able to "occupy" via physically fishing, each day.
It would not be legal to pollute since that would be infringing on the private property of the fishers.
The polluters could seek to own the entire lake for the sole purpose of polluting but that seems like an extreme un-economical use of the land, not to mention they would have to ensure that the pollution does not enter the river or groundwater, if those were owned by other people.
(Of course this is a theoretical scenario regarding original use of the lake, and thus does not apply today since it is all already all owned by the state)
Though another arrangement is that the all the individuals who are actually using the resources can band together democratically and create rules for the total.
This is the same as the above, as both are freely chosen, and the only thing libertarianism concerns itself is with the non-aggression principle
Stossel wrote about a recent Nobel prize winner who wrote about this variation, showing how it uses a resource to the fullest sustainable extent:
http://reason.com/archives/200.....owing-that
In both situations, the incentive is to keep it sustainably used because then keeps its long term market value.
Silly me, I said democratically.
What we're obviously talking about is a contract that of course, must be totally unanimous among it's freely choosing landowners participants.
(in traditional societies, this contract is oral and understood, in modern societies it would be written, of course)
Democracy involves the belief that 51% using force against 49% makes the use of any force proper and ethical, while the use of force is in fact never proper or ethical
Think you'll run into issues when the lake is currently half owned by the US and the other by Canada.
I took a Cleveland Steamer in Cleveland once.
I prefer giving, but whatever floats your boat.
Prosperity comes from the economically i.e. creative people who can identify problems, identify solutions to problems, marshal and collect resources to solve those problems and do so in a way that requires only voluntary cooperation.
Cleveland and the other Great Lakes cities used to be havens for the economically creative. The great natural advantage of the water transport on the Great Lakes was combined with a political culture that celebrated the economically creative and which sought to create an environment in which they could create.
Gradually, however, the political culture shifted. In the aftermath of WWII, major US businesses and the labor monopolies that controlled them had no serious international or even internal competition. The political culture more and more became to view prosperity not as something created by human action but more as natural phenomena. They began to view the political process as the means to allocate the benefits of this natural phenomena. They lost any concept that they needed to foster an economically creative environment.
Technologies have life cycles and industries based on those technologies have life cycles. When an industry is new, it is high margin and can sustain high wages and high taxes. However, as a technology/industry matures, the margin drop until the products become low-value commodities. The industry can no longer sustain high wages and high taxes. The high margin industries of the 30's-50' are todays low margin industries. Even if we had no external competition, cars, steel, heavy manufacturing etc would not be producing the same proportion of wealth they did back before 1960.
Once they lost their natural geographic advantage and their industries matured, the only hope the Great Lakes states had of maintaining their prosperity was to create an environment in which the economically creative could produce new high margin industries to replace the old ones.
Unfortunately, they did exactly the opposite. They did everything in their power to bind the hands of the economically creative so that no one could bring new prosperity.
Until the political culture begins to view the economically creative as the central resource of a region, they are completely and utterly boned.
I live in Cleveland, and this little essay is absolutely correct. The other big factor is that the local and county governments are institutional forms of kleptomania that offer nothing and take at unsustainable levels. Our county officers in particular all have dreams of being Richard J. Daley... unfortunately, they have all of the greed and none of the balls. They're not interested in building anything-- just strip-mining what remains from prior generations before we become Detroit-on-the-Cuyahoga.
I had to laugh reading this - transferred to Cleveland last year for work. Came from the Detroit area - my reaction was "wow, Cleveland's waaay better than Detroit." Esp the relationship betw gov't and bidness - no overt hostility in my experience. How refreshing!
But we're in a near suburb, not the city, and it definitely ain't...I dunno, Charlotte or Austin.
Aren't low expectations wonderful 🙂
Oh, PS, I am down here to close one of the three plants on my site, so, y'know, my "work" does fit the narrative.
Cleveland is the biggest American city that I've personally been to that still, somehow, manages to not really feel like one. As a small-town guy, I consider that a feature.
Anyone else think the reason offices look pretty snazzy?
Drew helped pay for that
The best way to save Cleveland is to get Cleveland Heights and Linndale disincorporated...worthless speedtrap ticketfarming nazi pricks...
....ah, I see you've visited the area 🙂 Do you have a Michigan license plate? Those are like chum for copsharks.
Tell the land use department that boundary line adjustments between two consenting land owners is a constitutional right.
Looking forward to the next one.
Now there is a guy thats WAY too full of himself.
Jess
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God dammit.
I notice the blinds are drawn...so I'm guessing Carey's a VAMPIRE! Cool.
Drew sounds a bit mumbly with the background music playing.
Jack up his mic a bit.
Beware of the Ides of March.
Don't worry Drew March 15 is a great day to take a stab at anyon...anything.
Ok. Today is the 16th. We should be up to episode #3. Uhhh, where are episodes #1, 2, 3??? You're way behind.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35....._business/
I was born in Cleveland and grew up in and around the area. I love the town, but in order to fix what's wrong (the economy), we have to get rid of the democratic stronghold that's hostile to business. I blogged about this, so I'll post it here.
I live approximately 30 miles west of Cleveland in a town called Lorain. I spent 30 years in the United States Army, and each trip home on leave, I saw more and more deterioration.
I have watched my town go from a reasonably employed and populated flourishing place, to a virtual ghost town. The Steel Mill and the Ford Plant are barely existing. Many of the businesses in the downtown area have been boarded up and long gone. The Lakefront area, prime for development and recreation, is languishing. The sad fact is that many of the residents are complacent to the point of being comatose.
The once thriving industrial base was wiped out, in part, by unions. Businesses and corporations have no incentive to invest in this area, and who can blame them? The Lorain City government throws up so many roadblocks in the form of high taxes, red tape, and bureaucratic stupidity, that unless we throw all of them out and start over, they'll be no resurgence for this town.
The Democratic contingent is busy pulling shit like this:
"Lorain Mayor Anthony Krasienko, a Democrat, in the business of using the city's federal grant money to take burdensome mortgages off the hands of quasi-public agencies? That is, the Lorain County Community Action Agency's two mortgages. The agency is at 502 Broadway and part of 506 Broadway.
Council members, all Democrats, are being asked today to approve a deal that would use $450,000 in federal funds the city has to buy the LCCAA mortgages from a Texas company, which will write off another $400,000 and leave the LCCAA owing Lorain about $2,500 a month instead of owing the Texas firm $6,000 a month.
City officials spin the deal as a benefit that will keep the LCCAA out of a potential foreclosure jam and keep it in downtown Lorain, along with the income tax money from its 40-plus employees.
But wait, there's more, as they say in those incredible deal TV commercials.
The city's generous "rescue" of LCCAA would give the city title to the LCCAA property so that it can be turned over to the city Community Development Department for some kind of redevelopment.
And there's more ?. the deal opens the door for the LCCAA to move south into a building at 668 Broadway that County Commissioner Ted Kalo, a Democrat, needs to sell quickly to get out of a foreclosure situation of his own; the LCCAA would become the tenant Kalo needs in that building in order for his deal to click. Kalo said the LCCAA would benefit by getting more working space and better parking.
??If all these deals are approved, the end result is that the LCCAA is off the hook, Kalo is off the hook (and looking better in his re-election campaign). And the city of Lorain is out $450,000 of its federal grant money that might have been used to benefit others in the city in other ways. And the city of Lorain owns another downtown Lorain building with an uncertain future occupancy. A building that is, coincidentally, a neighbor to the offices of Kalo's lawyer, Anthony Giardini, who is the city Democratic Party boss."
http://morningjournal.com/arti.....j99042.txt
Gotta love how the "we care about the working class" Dems will forgo helping them to bailout their own, with public funds.
Sound familiar?
The Democrats have sold brain-dead constituents a rancid bill of goods, and they keep buying it.
This is how we fix my town: give businesses the tax incentives to build, invest, and employ here.
Get rid of the corruptocrats who are more interested in stuffing their pockets with our funds than helping the community.
Crackdown on unions?they're nothing more than a mafioso and do nothing to improve worker's plight or the economy.
As for the accusations that Drew Carey "is full of himself", unless you can come up with better ideas, STFU.
I have lived in Cleveland on and off my whole life. I have been to many different cities and countries, and am still not sure why we Clevelander's pick on our city so much.
I am a white-collar professional in this city and on a grass-roots level, trying to do what Drew is trying.
We need to find ways to bring people to this city and stay here.
I commend you Drew and hope you can do what we all need to have happen.
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