New Yorker's (and Jimmy Carter's) Hendrik Hertzberg on Lord Obama's "Nominally Respectable" Opponents

Over at the always-ennertainin' Splice Today, Russ Smith writes up a list of President Obama's supporters in the press and zeroes in on The New Yorker's Hendrik Hertzberg:

Ignoring the plain fact that droves of Independent voters were responsible for GOP wins in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts, Hertzberg claims that Obama's been damaged by "an essentially nihilistic opposition party dominated by a pro-torture, anti-intellectual, anti-public-spirited, xeonophobic 'conservative' movement; and a rightist propaganda apparatus owned by nominally respectable media corporations and financed by nominally respectable advertisers."

Far out, man: a generation ago I'd be asking for a hit of whatever's causing you these hallucinations. Brown received 52 percent of the vote in Massachusetts on Jan. 19: is Hertzberg saying these people are nihilists? In fact, a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC New poll showed that a full 72 percent of Americans identify themselves as either "moderate" or "conservative." As for his obvious dig at Fox News, which is of course a conservative television station (just as The New York Times is a liberal newspaper), it's quite a leap to call Fox's advertisers "nominally respectable." Last time I checked, Fox had the same rotating commercials as its competitors: spots for prescription drugs, cars, beer, junk food and financial institutions.

It is always great to see folks such as Hertzberg elevating the level of discourse.

Whole Smith col here.

Comments

[Naga Sadow]

Everyone who disagrees with me is a horrible, baby abusing, puppy rapist.

Everyone who agrees with me is awesome.

I just wrote his entire column. I'm awesome.

[Naga Sadow]

Wait! Is that ad selling REASON gear?

[Ron L]

"Hertzberg claims that Obama's been damaged by "an essentially nihilistic opposition party dominated by a pro-torture, anti-intellectual, anti-public-spirited, xeonophobic 'conservative' movement;..."
Does this guy write for Olberman? I mean he left out 'sexist', but other than that it sounds like Olberman's rant after Brown won.

[Sal Paradise]

Hey, if you disagree, you're free to "disprove" it.

[Ron L]

*That* bit of rant was hilarious!

[heller]

And then he got pwned by John Stewart.

[Brother J]

And "poopyhead". He left that out too.

[JW]

In the meantime, he ought to offer real incentives for small business to hire more employees; encourage young men and women from countries like India, China, Taiwan and Japan to attend graduate school in the United States, perhaps with a financial carrot that requires them to stay at least 10 years here.

Wait. WTF?

[Naga Sadow]

Indentured servitude! Awesome! Damn! Today is just awesome!

[DanD]

"'dem Asian kids sho is smart yessir"

[Pro Libertate]

Seven years is the traditional period for an indentured servant to work off his indenture.

[Gilbert Martin]

That was the old days.

Everything goes up with inflation - don't you know.

[Pope Jimbo]

Same as the health care reform model.

You work for 10 years, but only get the benefits for 7 years.

[Pope Jimbo]

Good for him. We can get those wily Chinese building us a vast light rail network.

Just like we used em for the transcontinental railroad.

I guess the Indians and Japanese will get stuck weatherproofing houses.

[Brett L]

I'm not concerned when politicians and their attack dogs write this kind of stuff... It concerns me that they actually believe this idiocy. Regardless of whether or not I agree with my current political leaders, I'd like them not to be complete morons.

[ed]

I think most pundits are too cynical to believe in anything, but Obama's inner circle is a devoted bunch. Axelrod and Jarrett would fall on their swords for their messiah. I'll lend them one if it will speed things up.

[Old Mexican]

Hertzberg claims that Obama's been damaged by "an essentially nihilistic opposition party dominated by a pro-torture, anti-intellectual, anti-public-spirited, xeonophobic 'conservative' movement; and a rightist propaganda apparatus owned by nominally respectable media corporations and financed by nominally respectable advertisers."

I mean, it couldn't be our [the Dems] fault! Right?

During the ever-interesting circus that was Mexican politics, all leftist politicians and intellectuals used to blame the troubles of the Mexican economy on reactionary elements of society, lurking in the darkness and throwing the monkey wrench into the gears of progresss. I am glad to see we Mexicans are not the only ones burdened by the same type of politician/intellectual.

[Ratko]

And now they blame it all on the narcos, handy little ready made scape goat once the excuses for ones self run thin and worn.

We've followed very much the same paths our two countries. Estados Unidos Mexicanos and United States of America, we even call our selves the same name, well, close enough.

We both certainly have the most corrupt governments in the region.

Personally, it's my belief that it's this unique commonality that gives us our love-hate relationship that others sharing the hemisphere may be a little confused to try to understand. It's the kind of relationship most individuals in a lifetime will have with themselves. Maybe it happens when two countries so similar share a a common border, too.

[Jeffersonian]

Wreckers! Saboteurs!! Kulaks!!!

[P Brooks]

Hertzberg claims that Obama's been damaged by "an essentially nihilistic opposition party dominated by a pro-torture, anti-intellectual, anti-public-spirited, xeonophobic 'conservative' movement; and a rightist propaganda apparatus

I want to be a part of this; put me on the mailing list, pronto!

[Pope Jimbo]

Brooks,

Ya stinking socialist, stop laying around waiting for someone to do for you what you ought to do for yourself!

Head on over to http://www.anessentiallynihilisticopp.....aratus.com and sign up for yourself.

Or are you one of those bastards who joined http://www.vastrightwingconspiracy.com because they are too lazy to type in our url?

[Old Mexican]

Last time I checked, Fox had the same rotating commercials as its competitors: spots for prescription drugs, cars, beer, junk food and financial institutions.

You left out junk inventions ("As Seen On TV!" If you call now, we will DOUBLE our offer!)

But yes, same shit.

[Kiwi Dave]

do not mock the sham wow

[Old Mexican]

Not the Sham Wow. No. But hard to laugh at the egg broker or the Toilet Monster:

http://www.asseenontv.com/prod.....?gid=GIFTS

[Brett L]

I like the $6M Man's bionic ear.

[Jamie Summers]

WHAT?

[Brett L]

Yeah. They've got him doing a hearing aid commercial. I felt bad for the guy at first. Now I just think SAG must have shitty pension benefits.

[Pro Libertate]

Really? But, as noted above, he didn't have a bionic ear.

[.]

What?

[The Den Mother]

You are correct, J.S. and P.L. The $6M man had a bionic eye. The magic ear belonged to the bionic woman, who the last I saw was doing ads for the Sleep Number bed.

[TheZeitgeist]

Trial attorneys are a big deal on those networks too. Asbestos anyone?

Also, "power chairs" that will be "paid in full by Medicare" are well represented. Tells you a lot about the demographic that watches all these news networks (or sleeps in front of the news networks, anyways).

[Polynikes]

Don't mock me as I curl up in my Snuggie!

[SDN]

Not to mention that 75% of the stories on their website are echoed straight from AP.

[Hillary Clinton]

See? I told you there was a vast right wing conspiracy out there.

[Ratko]

Of course you're right, dear, no one is saying you aren't.

Would you like the doctor to come see if you might need your medication adjusted?

[.]

No, just turn my vibrator back on, please. PLEASE!

[Slut Bunwalla]

That went to kind of a weird place.

[Jonas]

Ms. Clinton - the terrorists have snuck a snuke up your snizz.

[Yolker]

See? I told *you* that if you just hung in there long enough, you would manage to seem like the moderate, reasonable adult.

[SugarFree]

an essentially nihilistic opposition party dominated by a pro-torture, anti-intellectual, anti-public-spirited, xeonophobic 'conservative' movement;

If they really are nihilistic, then they don't believe in any of that last run of stuff. One or the other, fuckbag.

Hysterical hyperbolic moron boot-licker.

[Marshall Gill]

I feel a chapter of "Love Crimes" coming on!

[Donny]

"is Hertzberg saying these people are nihilists?"

What's a nihilist, Walter?

[Walter]

You're out of your element, Donny.

[Walter Sobchak]

Shut the fuck up, Donny.

[TheZeitgeist]

Ve vill cut off your Johnzen Lebowski, ve don't care...ve're NIHILISTS!

[Maude Lebowski]

Love me.

[VLADIMIR ILYICH ULYANOV!]

I am the walrus?

[Leif]

Donny = LoneWacko?

It's all starting to make sense, dude!

[Death Panelist]

Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.

[Lamar]

Brown received 52 percent of the vote in Massachusetts on Jan. 19: is Hertzberg saying these people are nihilists?

Maybe they just didn't like her insistence on keeping innocent people in jail.

[Ratko]

Well, Coakley's war in Nihililon didn't fare so well. The soul-less old skin bag got her self a taste of real justice in the final battle.

[Xeones]

Nihilists? Fuck me. Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.

[CTHORM@IBIS]

Their salty sobbing tears are as blood for the blood god! Spill more! For HE is THIRSTY.

[jilll starr]

Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case

http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/
(The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned Images)

This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr Karadzic and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not.

Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations member states instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, Radovan Karadzic, as with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally witnessed these United Nations member states openly speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable trying Radovan Karazdic and others.

I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding.

Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country's proposal was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, "Spain (my country) strongly believes if we contribute most financial support to the Hague's highest court, that ought to give us and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions."

((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of censoring the country representative from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair judicial idea of bribery for international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all country representatives present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as a "totally legitimate topic" discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I was quite shocked!
The idea was "let's discuss it." "It's a great topic to discuss."

Some countries agreed with Spain's propositions while others did not. The point here is, bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated as a totally legitimate topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting that I attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly emergent international criminal court.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

In particular., since "Spain" was so overtly unafraid in bringing up this topic of trading financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial appointments and verdicts in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, "Spain" must have already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was "socially acceptable" for conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing the ICTY and
ICC before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological honor student. SPAIN's diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, Serbia, in all of this is, disgusting morally!

SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN
"INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT."

I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in 2001, witnessing first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with me discussing so openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal court, for its direct judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers were

concurrently,

those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding the already established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for Bosnian Serbs under false primary diplomatic pretenses.

The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. Cornered and backed into and an international wall, scared like a corned animal (and I bet it reacts in the same way a rabid cornered animal does too in such circumstances). (ICTY associates)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa
(Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) has destroyed all material evidence about the monsterous KLA Albanian/KLA organ trade in Kosovo).

I believe strongly that ICYU assocaites murdered former Serb President, Slobodan Milosevic, tried to murder me, as well and other Serbs prisoners and presently places , Doctor Radovan Karadzic's life in direct danger as well as Ratko Mladic's life
in danger should he be brought there.

The ICTY has no other choice than to halt all further court proceedings against, Doctor Radovan Karadzic, and others there both serving sentences and awaiting trials. Miss JIll Louise Starr (The UN Security Council has no choice but to act on this now).

I accuse the Hague ICTY war crimes tribunal of attempted assassination on my life and others, contempt of court and obstruction of international justice and "international witness tampering" in complicity with Richard Holbrook and Bill Clinton (Former US President of the USA) as well as political players in Spain and the Netherlands .

I represented the state interests' of the Former Yugoslavia, in Darko Trifunovic's absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on Serbia's behalf.

[Bergholt Stuttley Johnson]

CHEMTRAILS!!!!!

[@]

If you say so. I didn't get past "Irrefutable Proof..."

[CoyoteBlue]

tl; dr
STFU

[Walter]

+1

[Spoonman]

I think you're overusing scare quotes when you call into question the validity of calling a nation "Spain".

[Leif]

"I" obviously didn't bother reading that comment, but thanks "for" that hilarious highlight.

[Ratko]

I'm not sure how this relates to the article, nonetheless, I agree completely.

[mezzrow]

Sounds like Hertzberg's still suffering from malaise. Shame, afetr all these years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P......22_speech

If you know your history...

[Naga Sadow]

CHEMTRAILS! CHEMTRAILS! CHEMTRAILS!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha!

[Naga Sadow]

CHEMTRAILS! CHEMTRAILS! CHEMTRAILS!

Bwhahahahahahahhahahahah!

Why did the server squirrel mark this as spam?

[SugarFree]

I re-read it twice and I still can't figure where I'm supposed to send the money to get the $2 million released from the Lagos bank.

[Timetoturn]

He sounds just like Andrew Sullivan. Sullivan and Hertzberg must discuss this on JournaList?.

[Maverick]

At least it's an ethos . . . SRSLY had to stop doing pull ups for fear of dislocating my shoulder when this commercial eff'd my eyeballs the other day (1:19 into the video oughta do it). Nominally respected doesn't justly describe the Shake Weight. However, I imagine that the New Yorker's writers circle-'shake weight' around a poster/statue of Obama at least once per day--inauguration speech playing as background music.

[heller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....U&NR=1

[Johnny Longtorso]

Only Chemtrails will lead us to the truth of 9/11, Obama's real nationality, and Trig's birth.

[Ratko]

There's nothing to fear from chemicals. Chemicals are good for you. You are chemicals. Chemtrails are just just a more efficient way of getting the chemicals into you. If not for chemtrails you'd eventually run out of chemicals and simply cease to exist. Chemtrails therefore are life.

[Ellie Light]

SugarFree,

Obama in his divine wonderfullness has put a handy link on whitehouse.gov that will help you get your rightfully deserved $2 million released from the Lagos bank. Of course, all duties, fees and taxes must first be paid to the DNC, I mean, the IRS.

[Maverick]

Yo, they make a Shake Weight for ladies . . . Wouldn't want you to feel excluded from the New Yorker circle-'Shake Weight' party.

[thumbs up]

Parody - NSFW (unless you work at home) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

[Gilbert Martin]

"taxes must first be paid to the DNC, I mean, the IRS."

There's a difference?

[JW]

((((((( ((It seems that my use of parentheses all these years has been sub-optimal.))) ))))) ))

[Hazel Meade]

I always love exhortations to "public-spiritedness".

What does that really mean? It's basically an order to people to OBEY. Serve the state! Serve society! Obedience! Conformity! Fall in line! Get with the program! It's your duty!

You're supposed to subordinate your own interests to this amorphous entity, the "public", which people like himself get to define and whose agenda is something other than your own. Something other people control.

Instead of ordering people to serve their kind, they've just created an abstraction, the "public", that you're supposed to subordinate yourself to.

[Naga Sadow]

So how is Roddy Piper these days? I thought he died when that building blew up the transmitter that was hiding the alien dudes real looks.

[Hazel Meade]

Who the fuck is Roddy Piper?

[Butts Wagner]

Blasphemer!!!

[anonymous]

You're the one that started making veiled references to They Live.

[JW]

For Hazel.

THEY LIVE

Best. Movie. Ever.

[ComradeZero]

Indeed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

[Ratko]

If you value your freedom never forget liberty is conformity and your voluntary obedience is mandatory.

To hell with that, I'm in this for myself and only supporting others who are in it for them selves. Real traditional Americanism. The churches by their own choice can take care of those who fall to the sides, as they did for most of our history. Want some free soup and a cot? Listen to the Jesus speech and they'll give it to you. No justification why I should be forced to pay other people's way. Leave it up to me and I'll happily chip in some coin. Just don't take that choice from me. Choices are my freedoms. With out choices, I am not free.

[Leif]

Hazel, heed the words of Scott Brown (or was it Henry Cabot Lodge Jr?): Ask what you can do for your country!

(All kidding and politics aside, I just wiki'd Cabot Lodge, and whatever disagreements I may have with him, he did serve his country.)

[DanD]

I subscribed to the New Yorker before I had a clue. I can't even bring myself to open the damn thing anymore when it shows up in my mailbox.

[jgreene]

Conservatives and independents are on the right track if people like Hertzberg are detractors of a 70+ percent majority of we nihilists.

This gentleman and his liberal progressive ilk are so "out of the mainstream" of American thinking it is pathetic. They simply do not realize that they live and survive in an echo chamber of like-thinking people suffering from cognitive dissonance.

When their world view is disintegrating before their eyes it must be emotionally painful to realize that they may have to "rethink" their positions on a plethora of issues. But then again, naaaaah. After all they are the anointed ones, and Obama is their Messiah.

[Robbins Mitchell]

Hertzberg doesn't really believe the malarkey that he writes like that....but he sincerely hopes his readers are as yet stupid enough to believe it.

[Ratko]

Where would they be with out the vital useful idiot, they'd just be ideas.

[Mike M.]

The more these embittered old commies vent their pathology, the sorrier I feel for them.

[Ratko]

It's difficult to feel much sorrow for monsters who promote a political-religion responsible for the murder of up to a couple hundred million mostly innocent human beings in a brief hundred year period.

[Don Giannatti]

There was a time when speaking such things about a person would be reason enough to kick the living shit out the speaker. There was a time that if someone wanted to call me a racist or a nazi, they would venture into a place that would end in stitches or, at least, seriously significant bruises.

Why doesn't someone have the fkn guts to say this crap to my face. Call me a 'nihilistic, xenophobe'? Please.

Let's harken back to an earlier day, shall we?

[Sediba Edud]

Apparently "nihilism" was on the "word of the day calendar" of one of the fine folks over at the JournoList since it seems to be the Republican smear de jure with the left as of late.

[elaine]

I do not think this word "nihilist" means what you think it means, Mr. Herzberg...

[Leif]

I will not buy this nihilist; it is scratched.

[Johnny Longtorso]

If you don't believe in Obama then you are a nihilist. Since Obama is everything, if you don't believe in him, you believe in nothing.

[Nor Meyer]

Hey, but they have great cover art and the cartoons are pretty good, too...!

[David S]

Far out, Man. You made my day with this take down of Hertzberg via Mr. Smith.

Why do Jimmy Carter loyalists feel sufficient chudzpah to opine on anything? The man nearly wrecked our entire country.

[TomB]

Because Obama's making him look like Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln all rolled into one in comparison???

[Pope Jimbo]

Do you wonder if Jimmy is happy about Obama's run at his title?

On one hand, he might be happy to no longer be known as the most inept president ever.

On the other hand, if he doesn't have that, what does he have? Peanuts? Rosilyn? Amy (shudder)?

[Douglas Fletcher]

Do they still have good cartoons in the New Yorker? I've been so broke up since Updike died I haven't had the heart to even look at the New Yorker.

[SugarFree]

Have you been to Wechsler's?

I loved that place. And the guys working there were really nice and easy-going. Beer's not super-cheap, but they have far better beer than Stella.

[alan]

As for his obvious dig at Fox News, which is of course a conservative television station (just as The New York Times is a liberal newspaper), it's quite a leap to call Fox's advertisers "nominally respectable."

I remember shortly after Clinton was elected in '92 Hertzberg complained in dramatic fashion that the Democrats had made a lurch to the right.

Someone else will have to verify because I'm not masochistic enough to read his crap any longer, but wasn't he part of the same bunch that tried to marginalize the Chamber of Commerce as a group of right wing extremist last summer? The motherfuckin' Chamber of Commerce?

Reminds me of the complaint from some Birchers (the one I know is actually a above par kind of fellow) that Eisenhower was a Communist back in the 50's.

Obama's critics are your regular joes out on the golf course on weekends, Hertzberg, you twat, not Pinochetites coming to settle scores.

[Leif]

"Eisenhower was a Communist back in the 50's."

Fortunately, he's since had a change of heart.

[Xeones]

Since Obama is everything, if you don't believe in him, you believe in nothing.

Ja. Ve believe in NUSSING.

[Hazel Meade]

What is it with all this "believing IN" stuff anyway?

I believe stuff. Sure. I believe the theory of evolution. Believing IN it is making a religion out of it, though.

When someone says "You don't believe in anything." you should take it as a compliment.

What they are complaining about is your lack of faith. They're calling you a political atheist. Like that's a bad thing.

[alan]

+1

I have always had a problem with that sort of usage as well.

From the best evidence to date, I believe evolution is the closest approximation to what actually occurs to cause species differentiation to this date, but I don't believe in it as if it were an infallible creed.

[Leif]

I find your lack of faith... disturbing.

[The Libertarian Guy]

Was Matthews experiencing Tingly-Leg Syndrome in those days?

[furious]

..."an essentially nihilistic opposition party dominated by a pro-torture, anti-intellectual, anti-public-spirited, xeonophobic 'conservative' movement...

Who knew 'Hendrik Hertzberg' was Keith Olbermann's nom de plum?

[Charles Zim]

Is this comment section really more than just one amazing comic genius having a conversation with himself? Because if not - fuck Times Select(tm), This is writing. BZ!

[Leif]

Charles! Is that me?!

[PD Quig]

Who in hell is Hendrik Hertzberg? If he had anything to do with Herr Carter he is obviously a loser.

[AST]

The New One is out there, but we're not foolish enough to identify him/her at this point and give Smith, Olbermann and the other MSNBC-anthropes any lead time to ready their mud-cannons. In the mean time, there are plenty more like McDonnell, Christie and Scott Brown out here ready to displace the morons who've driven this country into the ditch.

[TJ Maxxx]

Thomas Jefferson said:

"Dissent is a form of nihilism."

End of debate.

[Jill Starr]

Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot

Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case

http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/
(The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned Images)

This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr Karadzic

and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not.

Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations member states

instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, Radovan Karadzic, as

with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally witnessed these United

Nations member states openly speaking about trading judicial appointments and

verdicts for financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at

the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable trying Radovan

Karazdic and others.

I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings

to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of

criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable

topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts

AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding.

Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country's proposal

was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly

loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, "Spain (my country) strongly believes if we

contribute most financial support to the Hague's highest court, that ought to give us

and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions."

((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of censoring the country representative

from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair judicial idea of bribery

for international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all country representatives

present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as a "totally legitimate

topic" discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I was quite shocked!
The idea was "let's discuss it." "It's a great topic to discuss."

Some countries agreed with Spain's propositions while others did not. The point here

is, bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated as a totally

legitimate topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting that I attended

in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly emergent international

criminal court.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

In particular., since "Spain" was so overtly unafraid in bringing up this topic of trading

financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial appointments and

verdicts in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, "Spain"

must have already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was "socially

acceptable" for conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing

the ICTY and
ICC before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological honor student.

SPAIN's diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, Serbia, in all of this is,

disgusting morally!

SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN
"INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT."

I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in 2001,

witnessing first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with me

discussing so openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal court, for

its direct judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers were

concurrently,

those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding the already

established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for Bosnian Serbs

under false primary diplomatic pretenses.

The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. Cornered and backed into and

an international wall, scared like a corned animal (and I bet it reacts in the same way a

rabid cornered animal does too in such circumstances). (ICTY associates)

http://sites.google.com/site/j.....upt-court-

irrefutable-proof-the-hague-court-cannot-legitimately-prosecute-karadzic-

case/irrefutableproofictyiscorruptcourtirrefutableproofthehaguecourtcannotlegitimatel

yprosecutekaradziccase
(Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) has

destroyed all material evidence about the monsterous KLA Albanian/KLA organ trade

in Kosovo).

I believe strongly that ICYU assocaites murdered former Serb President, Slobodan

Milosevic, tried to murder me, as well and other Serbs prisoners and presently places ,

Doctor Radovan Karadzic's life in direct danger as well as Ratko Mladic's life
in danger should he be brought there.

The ICTY has no other choice than to halt all further court proceedings against,

Doctor Radovan Karadzic, and others there both serving sentences and awaiting trials.

Miss JIll Louise Starr (The UN Security Council has no choice but to act on this now).

I accuse the Hague ICTY war crimes tribunal of attempted assassination on my life

and others, contempt of court and obstruction of international justice and

"international witness tampering" in complicity with Richard Holbrook and Bill

Clinton (Former US President of the USA) as well as political players in Spain and the

Netherlands .

I represented the state interests' of the Former Yugoslavia, in Darko Trifunovic's

absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on Serbia's behalf.

[Jill Starr]

What It's Like to Chill Out With Whom the World Considers the Most Ruthless Men in the World Ratko Mladic, Radovan Karadzic and Goran Hadzic (+) Confessions of a Female War Crimes Investigator

Retrospectively, it was all so simple, natural and matter of fact being on a boat restaurant in Belgrade, sitting with, laughing, drinking a two hundred bottle of wine and chatting about war and peace while Ratko Mladic held my hand. Mladic, a man considered the world's most ruthless war criminal since Adolf Hitler, still at large and currently having a five million dollar bounty on his head for genocide by the international community. Yet there I was with my two best friends at the time, a former Serbian diplomat, his wife, and Ratko Mladic just chilling. There was no security, nothing you'd ordinarily expect in such circumstances. Referring to himself merely as, Sharko; this is the story of it all came about.

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[Jilly]

What It's Like to Chill Out With Whom the World Considers the Most Ruthless Men in the World Ratko Mladic, Radovan Karadzic and Goran Hadzic (+) Confessions of a Female War Crimes Investigator

Retrospectively, it was all so simple, natural and matter of fact being on a boat restaurant in Belgrade, sitting with, laughing, drinking a two hundred bottle of wine and chatting about war and peace while Ratko Mladic held my hand. Mladic, a man considered the world's most ruthless war criminal since Adolf Hitler, still at large and currently having a five million dollar bounty on his head for genocide by the international community. Yet there I was with my two best friends at the time, a former Serbian diplomat, his wife, and Ratko Mladic just chilling. There was no security, nothing you'd ordinarily expect in such circumstances. Referring to himself merely as, Sharko; this is the story of it all came about.

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(Jill Starr's Extire American Expose Including the Secret Scanned Photo Documentary Evidence I Obtained From the CLOSED UN ICC Preparatory Meetings (2001)

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Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case

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(The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned Images)

This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr Karadzic and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not.

Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations member states instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, Radovan Karadzic, as with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally witnessed these United Nations member states openly speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable trying Radovan Karazdic and others.

I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding.

Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country's proposal was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, "Spain (my country) strongly believes if we contribute most financial support to the Hague's highest court, that ought to give us and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions."

((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of censoring the country representative from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair judicial idea of bribery for international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all country representatives present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as a "totally legitimate topic" discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I was quite shocked!
The idea was "let's discuss it." "It's a great topic to discuss."

Some countries agreed with Spain's propositions while others did not. The point here is, bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated as a totally legitimate topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting that I attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly emergent international criminal court.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

In particular., since "Spain" was so overtly unafraid in bringing up this topic of trading financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial appointments and verdicts in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, "Spain" must have already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was "socially acceptable" for conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing the ICTY and
ICC before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological honor student. SPAIN's diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, Serbia, in all of this is, disgusting morally!

SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN
"INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT."

I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in 2001, witnessing first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with me discussing so openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal court, for its direct judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers were

concurrently,

those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding the already established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for Bosnian Serbs under false primary diplomatic pretenses.

The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. Cornered and backed into and an international wall, scared like a corned animal (and I bet it reacts in the same way a rabid cornered animal does too in such circumstances). (ICTY associates)

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(Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) has destroyed all material evidence about the monsterous KLA Albanian/KLA organ trade in Kosovo).

I believe strongly that ICYU assocaites murdered former Serb President, Slobodan Milosevic, tried to murder me, as well and other Serbs prisoners and presently places , Doctor Radovan Karadzic's life in direct danger as well as Ratko Mladic's life
in danger should he be brought there.

The ICTY has no other choice than to halt all further court proceedings against, Doctor Radovan Karadzic, and others there both serving sentences and awaiting trials. Miss JIll Louise Starr (The UN Security Council has no choice but to act on this now).

I accuse the Hague ICTY war crimes tribunal of attempted assassination on my life and others, contempt of court and obstruction of international justice and "international witness tampering" in complicity with Richard Holbrook and Bill Clinton (Former US President of the USA) as well as political players in Spain and the Netherlands .

I represented the state interests' of the Former Yugoslavia, in Darko Trifunovic's absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on Serbia's behalf.