"The response will not be to do incremental things and try to salvage a few seats in the fall," a presidential adviser said. "The best political route also happens to be the boldest rhetorical route, which is to go out and fight and let the chips fall where they may. We can say, 'At least we fought for these things, and the Republicans said no.'" […]
[T]he president's advisers plan to spin it as a validation of the underdog arguments that fueled Obama's insurgent candidacy.
"The painstaking campaign for change over two years in 2007 and 2008 has become a painstaking effort in the White House, too," the official said. "The old habits of Washington aren't going away easy."
The White House rallying cry, according to one Obama confidant, will be, "Buckle up — let's get some stuff done."
That stray "some" is a slogan-killer for me; the sparser let's-get-stuff-done has a winning staccato intensity. Though, unsurprisingly for this White House, the motto would be something close to the opposite of what is more likely to happen: Weakened Democrats proposing various unpopular "reforms" (from cap-and-trade on down); then when the bills fail, blaming it all on do-nothing Republicans. All while having the gnads to claim, after a full season of too-big-to-fail bailouts, that only Democrats are on the side of the lil' fella versus the fatcats:
In his weekly address on Saturday, [Obama] declared: "We're not going to let Wall Street take the money and run." Saluting Martin Luther King Jr. in remarks to a Baptist congregation the next day, Obama railed against "an era of greed and irresponsibility that sowed the seeds of its own demise."
At the rally for Coakley, he added: "Bankers don't need another vote in the United States Senate. They've got plenty."
White House senior adviser David Axelrod told reporters that Democrats will not allow the midterm elections to become "a referendum on this administration" but, instead, will force Republicans to defend the role they have played in the economic crisis.
And press secretary Robert Gibbs said a key theme of 2010 will be asking voters "whether the people they have in Washington are on the side of protecting the big banks, whether they're on the side of protecting the big oil companies, whether they're on the side of protecting insurance companies or whether they're on the people's side."
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Nothing says that someone is on my side like advocating taking my money by force and spending it on whatever shit some Ivy League educated central planner thinks is important.
But if you ask them, they insist they are not Ivy League-educated central planners... while they look down their noses at you, the uneducated truck-drivin' inbred rube.
Obama's only political experience is in Chicago. Chicago is a one party autocracy where the party bosses get pretty much anything they want. I think Obama honestly believes he can bully his way "Chicago style" into what he wants. Needless to say it won't work in Washington. Once Democratic Congressman realize that it is politically wise to defy Obama, they will do it. And Obama's attempts to bully them will just cause more resentment. And once a few Democrats turn on him, he won't be able to claim that the Republicans are the reason why he can't get his policies through.
This situation calls for subtly. It calls for working with liberal Republicans and co-opting their message. Obama doesn't have the intelligence, savvy or the political skills for that. Despite all the hope and change and bi-partisan rhetoric, Obama is showing himself to be the liberal partisan Chicago machine hammer that some said he was.
We can say, 'At least we fought for these things, and the Republicans said no.'
Denial is beautiful. I believe if this unnamed official were to actually understand the process he would realize that it is the electorate that is saying no.
You'd do better to argue that Fannie and Freddie weren't the whole cause of the issue, or that enough Republicans in the Congress were bought off as well to ensure that the Bush reform efforts went nowhere, or that Bush didn't try hard enough, or whatever.
"We're not going to let Wall Street take the money and run."
No we're going to keep on armtwisting Wall Street into giving us Democrats the majority of their campaign contributions - just like they did in the last election cycle.
...press secretary Robert Gibbs said a key theme of 2010 will be asking voters "whether the people they have in Washington are on the side of protecting the big banks, whether they're on the side of protecting the big oil companies, whether they're on the side of protecting insurance companies or whether they're on the people's side."
Incredible. Are they even aware of their own record? The one problem with this is that the Republicans are just as much to blame, so they can't turn it around and drill the Obama admin over their complete stupidity.
The Republicans who are to blame largely got kicked out in 06 and 08. The Republican candidates in 2010 will have to be people who were not in Congress when TARP was passed. There just aren't many Republican incumbents left.
I don't see how the Democrats can win by arguing, "some guy in his party who is no longer in office and not running for office also supported the stupid shit we have done".
Coakley is behind because she's a horrible candidate. Right now, if pictures were to surface of her assraping the charred corpse of a toddler, she wouldn't be in much worse shape then she is already. Politically speaking.
The sheep are hard to predict in what will set them off. Even though it seems pretty clear cut right now, November is a long ways away.
I really hate it when people refer to the public as "sheep". Most of the public actually have lives and have more important and enjoyable things to do than obsess about politics. That, more than anything, is what allows our political class to engage in so much theft.
But, when times are bad enough, it starts to pay to take an interest again. And that is exactly what is happening in Mass right now. I will bet you any amount of money you want to wager, the Dems get destroyed in the November elections.
I hope you're right. While I have about the same amount of "faith" in the Republicans, a divided Government seems to put us in a better position then we are currently in.
Just like how real sheep are too busy eating grass to notice the wolves taking out the shepherd and moving in for the kill. Seems like "sheep" is pretty appropriate.
People only say that because the US, thankfully, has never had a real no shit populist backlash in a long time. If we ever get one, "sheep" will be the last thing anyone will call people. Angry mob or Rampaging Rhinos will be more apt.
Saying no is a good thing for many voters who think DC does nothing but take. I think Obama's rhetorical plan may backfire in a big way. I think there are enough of us that don't "blame" insurance companies for paying our medical bills, oil companies for fueling our cars, and banks for make a house affordable for us.
It's just amazing that a bunch of rich white guys who get funded by very large businesses, including banks, get away with going around preaching class warfare and seeing racism everywhere. They wouldn't know a little guy if they ran him over with their car.
"Getting stuff done" is as asinine as wanting "change". I could change my dentifrice from toothpaste to vanilla cake frosting, but just because they look similar doesn't mean my teeth won't rot as a result.
Obama can't get anything right. Hopefully a new breed of Republicans are smart enough to realize what the citizens are saying and don't flounder away the opportunity.
Does Obama say anything that isn't competely 180 degrees opposite from the truth?
In his weekly address on Saturday, [Obama] declared: "We're not going to let Wall Street take the money and run."
Um yeah, the banks have paid back TARP, but the auto industry has not.
At the rally for Coakley, he added: "Bankers don't need another vote in the United States Senate. They've got plenty."
More Democrats voted for TARP than Republicans.
White House senior adviser David Axelrod told reporters that Democrats will not allow the midterm elections to become "a referendum on this administration" but, instead, will force Republicans to defend the role they have played in the economic crisis.
Like, say, voting against TARP?
And press secretary Robert Gibbs said a key theme of 2010 will be asking voters "whether the people they have in Washington are on the side of protecting the big banks, whether they're on the side of protecting the big oil companies, whether they're on the side of protecting insurance companies or whether they're on the people's side."
because printing money and giving it to the big banks while forcing people to buy overpriced insurance means you're on the people's side, not those evil bankers and insurance companies!
Norm Coleman just formally declined to run for the governor's seat here in MN.
There are a lot of reasons for that. The one that I think is very interesting is that Coleman would have a hard time in the primary because he voted for TARP.
According to the conventional wisdom here, that is a mortal sin in the eyes' of the GOP faithful.
_And press secretary Robert Gibbs said a key theme of 2010 will be asking voters "whether the people they have in Washington are on the side of protecting the big banks, whether they're on the side of protecting the big oil companies, whether they're on the side of protecting insurance companies or whether they're on the people's side."_
Whoa Nelly! Are they SURE they want to ask that question?
I am posting this here and wherever I can, because it completely destroys the myth espoused by the left that without a State, you cannot have binding agreements and rights (this is Tony's favorite canard)
One of the biggest myths is that China managed to succeed with heavy central planning on the one hand and no property rights on the other ? an impossibility unless China had found a new way of doing things!
The truth was that that the amazing speed of economic activity in the 1980s had little to do with planners and everything to do with property rights.
In 1958 the agricultural commune system was imposed by the government. For farmers and their families it was little more than serfdom, or slavery, by another name. It was a disaster.
For the next 20 years they laboured and suffered under an unworkable system. Then in 1978, two years after Deng Xiaoping assumed the leadership, something remarkable happened.
Picture this.
A poverty stricken farming community in a tiny village called Xiaogang, in Anhui Province, one of the poorest provinces in China. Late in 1978, the actual date is uncertain, 18 impoverished farmers met. They agreed to break up the land between each household and farm it individually. They would not ask the government for money or grain, they would meet their quotas, but whatever was left they would keep and sell themselves. This was against the law.
Fearful of what might become of their families they drew up an agreement which said that if any of them were arrested and imprisoned everyone else in the village would look after their children until they reached 18 years of age. It was signed with signatures and thumbprints.
And this, according to the story, was how it all began.
Jeffrey Sachs proposes to spend between $10 and $15 billion dollars on a five-year development program. "The obvious way for Washington to cover this new funding," he writes, "is by introducing special taxes on Wall Street bonuses."
This is fantastic. I was being facetious, not omniscient.
At the rally for Coakley, he added: "Bankers don't need another vote in the United States Senate. They've got plenty."
Given that the Dems hold 60 seats there, I just don't see any way to read this other than as an admission that some non-trivial number of Dem Senators are in the pockets of Wall Street.
The American people* pretty much want to be governed the way Republicans promise to govern. When the Republicans they vote for have broken their promises long enough that nobody believes them anymore, they vote in Democrats to punish the Republicans for failing to be Republicans.
The Democrats immediately assume this change in power means the American people voted for Democrats, which is absolutely wrong. They govern under this misapprehension, and become extremely unpopular.
The Democrats then have a simple choice. They can double down on being Democrats (Carter), and lose horribly. Or they can become Republican-Lite (Clinton), and become popular.
*Defined here as everybody not sufficiently committed to one side that we already know how they'll vote in 2016. Those people pretty much cancel each other out anyway.
Nothing says that someone is on my side like advocating taking my money by force and spending it on whatever shit some Ivy League educated central planner thinks is important.
But if you ask them, they insist they are not Ivy League-educated central planners... while they look down their noses at you, the uneducated truck-drivin' inbred rube.
Ironic, since their new slogan is "git r done"
[Lumberg]
Yeah...
I already covered this in the Morning Links thread. I'm gonna need you to take this down and write something else.
Mmmkay? Thanks Peter.
[/Lumberg]
Seriously though, that "let's get some stuff done" part is unnerving.
Obama's only political experience is in Chicago. Chicago is a one party autocracy where the party bosses get pretty much anything they want. I think Obama honestly believes he can bully his way "Chicago style" into what he wants. Needless to say it won't work in Washington. Once Democratic Congressman realize that it is politically wise to defy Obama, they will do it. And Obama's attempts to bully them will just cause more resentment. And once a few Democrats turn on him, he won't be able to claim that the Republicans are the reason why he can't get his policies through.
This situation calls for subtly. It calls for working with liberal Republicans and co-opting their message. Obama doesn't have the intelligence, savvy or the political skills for that. Despite all the hope and change and bi-partisan rhetoric, Obama is showing himself to be the liberal partisan Chicago machine hammer that some said he was.
Fasten your seatbelts--it's gonna be a bumpy night.
Obama! What is best in life?
Obama: To crush the economy, see it driven before you, and to cheer the taxation of the children.
Someone needs to find the appropriate picture of Obama and photoshop it with the above statement.
It would be great.
Well done, Pro L.
Obama wrote it for me.
I had someone write that for me for you, Pro Libertate.
Let that be our little secret.
Hsve to wait til I get off work...
Too bad you're non-union. you could have pulled it off during your hide-and-seek time.
Clip the president's head to John Amos's body while costumed as the dude in Beastmaster?
Excellent suggestion.
Not cool!
props to ProL:
Barack the Barbarian
Nice. Would make a good motivational poster, too. I could post it on Urkobold, if you want.
We can say, 'At least we fought for these things, and the Republicans said no.'
Denial is beautiful. I believe if this unnamed official were to actually understand the process he would realize that it is the electorate that is saying no.
It worked well for the Republicans claiming they fought to reform Freddie/Fannie and the Democrats said no.
Something that there's/A> plenty of evidence of.
You'd do better to argue that Fannie and Freddie weren't the whole cause of the issue, or that enough Republicans in the Congress were bought off as well to ensure that the Bush reform efforts went nowhere, or that Bush didn't try hard enough, or whatever.
"We're not going to let Wall Street take the money and run."
No sir! We're gonna let 'em take the money, and then give 'em a ride in Marine One! 'Cause it's hard to run when you're carrying all that money.
You must have learned that from watching Money Train.
"We're not going to let Wall Street take the money and run."
No we're going to keep on armtwisting Wall Street into giving us Democrats the majority of their campaign contributions - just like they did in the last election cycle.
Incredible. Are they even aware of their own record? The one problem with this is that the Republicans are just as much to blame, so they can't turn it around and drill the Obama admin over their complete stupidity.
Incredibly, the Democrats are stupider that the GOP. It's almost like a mass suicide or something.
Do they know something we don't?
So does that mean after the elections, provided the Dems lose fairly big, we can start calling Congress "Obamatown"?
Sure. Enjoy.
I suggest we start calling it "East Berlin West".
Who run Obamatown?
MASTER BLASTER RUN OBAMATOWN.
Which raises the question, who is our equivalent to Master Blaster?
Rahm.
Is he Master or Blaster?
Master.
Obama's Blaster.
I'll blast you, Master!
[insert Barney cropped onto the gimp from Pulp Fiction, then vomit]
The Republicans who are to blame largely got kicked out in 06 and 08. The Republican candidates in 2010 will have to be people who were not in Congress when TARP was passed. There just aren't many Republican incumbents left.
I don't see how the Democrats can win by arguing, "some guy in his party who is no longer in office and not running for office also supported the stupid shit we have done".
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.
If enough news organizations latch on to the right meme, they can breed the proper fervor in to the masses.
Yeah, that is why Coakley is up 15 points. That is a myth. The media isn't nearly as powerful as it used to be.
Oh, I wouldn't go that far. We can be awakened briefly when pushed too far, but we enjoy our somnolence.
Coakley is behind because she's a horrible candidate. Right now, if pictures were to surface of her assraping the charred corpse of a toddler, she wouldn't be in much worse shape then she is already. Politically speaking.
The sheep are hard to predict in what will set them off. Even though it seems pretty clear cut right now, November is a long ways away.
I really hate it when people refer to the public as "sheep". Most of the public actually have lives and have more important and enjoyable things to do than obsess about politics. That, more than anything, is what allows our political class to engage in so much theft.
But, when times are bad enough, it starts to pay to take an interest again. And that is exactly what is happening in Mass right now. I will bet you any amount of money you want to wager, the Dems get destroyed in the November elections.
I hope you're right. While I have about the same amount of "faith" in the Republicans, a divided Government seems to put us in a better position then we are currently in.
I am not saying the Republicans will do a good job. I am only saying the Democrats are in a lot of trouble.
Just like how real sheep are too busy eating grass to notice the wolves taking out the shepherd and moving in for the kill. Seems like "sheep" is pretty appropriate.
People only say that because the US, thankfully, has never had a real no shit populist backlash in a long time. If we ever get one, "sheep" will be the last thing anyone will call people. Angry mob or Rampaging Rhinos will be more apt.
A rampaging Rhino would be a great mascot for the Libertarian Party.
I like that idea, MFR.
This isn't being stupid, it's the old "big lie" technique.
True.
Speaking of movie quotes, this business reminds me of some reason of this exchange from Repo Man:
"That's bullshit. You're a white suburban punk, just like me."
Yeah, but it still hurts.
Saying no is a good thing for many voters who think DC does nothing but take. I think Obama's rhetorical plan may backfire in a big way. I think there are enough of us that don't "blame" insurance companies for paying our medical bills, oil companies for fueling our cars, and banks for make a house affordable for us.
And this was a pro-Coakley quote? I don't see anything to tell me that Democrats aren't the pro-Wall Street party.
It's just amazing that a bunch of rich white guys who get funded by very large businesses, including banks, get away with going around preaching class warfare and seeing racism everywhere. They wouldn't know a little guy if they ran him over with their car.
Their large, gas-guzzling, Earth-killing car, that is.
That's been our argument for some time now!
I suppose you can claim the "underdog" label when most of the voting public is against what you're doing.
And if blaming the republicans, bankers and insurance companies doesn't work then the claim will be made that we are all a bunch of racist.
Caption Contest!
"Hey, remember when we told the middle class they wouldn't see a tax increase...and they believed it? GUFFAW HAW HURR DURR DUURRR HURRR!"
Scott Brown is an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman.
Olbermann is a git.
"Getting stuff done" is as asinine as wanting "change". I could change my dentifrice from toothpaste to vanilla cake frosting, but just because they look similar doesn't mean my teeth won't rot as a result.
Hey! Nobody said this was about outcomes! It's about catchy phrases!
It worked last year.....
If the glove dont fit, you must acquit!
David Axelrod told reporters that Democrats will not allow the midterm elections to become "a referendum on this administration"
To be honest, Davey, I don't think that's your call to make.
And- as far as "getting some stuff done" what I hear is,
"If we're gonna wreck this train, let's wreck it going really really fast!"
Lets wreck it fast and burn the bridge behind us so no one can fix it later.
And- as far as "getting some stuff done" what I hear is,
"If we're gonna wreck this train, let's wreck it going really really fast!"
"There's the right way, the wrong way and the Max Power way."
"Isn't that the wrong way?"
"Yes, but faster."
In one way, Obama is right: I'm really hoping for change these days.
I hope you're right because that's something I can believe in.
One of the candidates that runs in 2012 needs to use the slogan "Change you can believe in...Seriously" if even just to be a dick.
I would laugh and laugh.
Like Ochocinco doing the Lambaugh leap.
"Lambeau" leap
Limbaugh leap.
Thank you, President Toonces!
Obama can't get anything right. Hopefully a new breed of Republicans are smart enough to realize what the citizens are saying and don't flounder away the opportunity.
Does Obama say anything that isn't competely 180 degrees opposite from the truth?
In his weekly address on Saturday, [Obama] declared: "We're not going to let Wall Street take the money and run."
Um yeah, the banks have paid back TARP, but the auto industry has not.
At the rally for Coakley, he added: "Bankers don't need another vote in the United States Senate. They've got plenty."
More Democrats voted for TARP than Republicans.
White House senior adviser David Axelrod told reporters that Democrats will not allow the midterm elections to become "a referendum on this administration" but, instead, will force Republicans to defend the role they have played in the economic crisis.
Like, say, voting against TARP?
And press secretary Robert Gibbs said a key theme of 2010 will be asking voters "whether the people they have in Washington are on the side of protecting the big banks, whether they're on the side of protecting the big oil companies, whether they're on the side of protecting insurance companies or whether they're on the people's side."
because printing money and giving it to the big banks while forcing people to buy overpriced insurance means you're on the people's side, not those evil bankers and insurance companies!
Norm Coleman just formally declined to run for the governor's seat here in MN.
There are a lot of reasons for that. The one that I think is very interesting is that Coleman would have a hard time in the primary because he voted for TARP.
According to the conventional wisdom here, that is a mortal sin in the eyes' of the GOP faithful.
"The old habits of Washington aren't going away easy."
No shit, especially when your administration engages in them old habbits.
You got that right, Jack! er, boggy
"Vote as I say, not as I do!"
So this is basically the Harvard educated revision of Larry the cable guy's quote. Well done, sir.
yea, i thought that too. then i figured, why not have Larry run for office?
I get the power of polls and everything, but what will be said if the votes are counted and coakley wins?
We'll be hearing that the Kenyan secret service teamed up with ACORN, the Bilderbergers and OxFam to rig the election.
Self-converse much?
I like intelligent conversation...
"Yes, they got me! That should be plenty for them! Are you fired up? Ready to go?"
Photo Caption:
"We promise we won't come in your mouth!"
The people of the United States say:
Thank you. But just in case, we have our spit bucket and mouthwash on standby.
_And press secretary Robert Gibbs said a key theme of 2010 will be asking voters "whether the people they have in Washington are on the side of protecting the big banks, whether they're on the side of protecting the big oil companies, whether they're on the side of protecting insurance companies or whether they're on the people's side."_
Whoa Nelly! Are they SURE they want to ask that question?
Obama railed against "an era of greed and irresponsibility that sowed the seeds of its own demise."
Glad to see he's finally recognizing he's screwed up ... oh, wait ...
I am posting this here and wherever I can, because it completely destroys the myth espoused by the left that without a State, you cannot have binding agreements and rights (this is Tony's favorite canard)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/clancy/clancy20.1.html
More news on fixing Haiti:
via Stossel's blog: http://stossel.blogs.foxbusine.....reign-aid/
Jeffrey Sachs proposes to spend between $10 and $15 billion dollars on a five-year development program. "The obvious way for Washington to cover this new funding," he writes, "is by introducing special taxes on Wall Street bonuses."
This is fantastic. I was being facetious, not omniscient.
Figured everyone needed more news on Haiti.
At the rally for Coakley, he added: "Bankers don't need another vote in the United States Senate. They've got plenty."
Given that the Dems hold 60 seats there, I just don't see any way to read this other than as an admission that some non-trivial number of Dem Senators are in the pockets of Wall Street.
The American people* pretty much want to be governed the way Republicans promise to govern. When the Republicans they vote for have broken their promises long enough that nobody believes them anymore, they vote in Democrats to punish the Republicans for failing to be Republicans.
The Democrats immediately assume this change in power means the American people voted for Democrats, which is absolutely wrong. They govern under this misapprehension, and become extremely unpopular.
The Democrats then have a simple choice. They can double down on being Democrats (Carter), and lose horribly. Or they can become Republican-Lite (Clinton), and become popular.
*Defined here as everybody not sufficiently committed to one side that we already know how they'll vote in 2016. Those people pretty much cancel each other out anyway.
Croakley? I like Choakley.