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Snowe Votes to Advance the Finance Committee's Health-Care Bill

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As the Senate Finance Committee prepared to vote on its health-care overhaul bill today, the only major question was how Olympia Snowe, the one Republican who's expressed any interest in supporting the Democrats' health-care reforms, would vote. Now we know: She's on board—at least for now.

What does this mean for reformers? I basically agree with Phil Klein, who writes:

In her statement, Snowe emphasized that this was merely one step in a long process, and that her vote today should not be used to forecast her final vote….While expressing several reservations about the bill, she said, "When history calls, history calls."

This is a good headline for Democrats today, but it doesn't solve the underlying friction between moderate and liberal members of Congress. The ability to attract one Republican may stregthen Baucus's hand during negotiations with Majority Leader Harry Reid and Sen. Chris Dodd (representing the HELP Committee) and embolden Blue Dogs in the to oppose the inclusion of a government-run plan in the House. Everything will hinge on whether House liberals cave in on their demand for a government plan, or dig in.

Seems to me that what Snowe's really doing here isn't so much voting in favor of the bill, but voting to give the bill a hearing on the Senate floor. As she indicated in her statement, her yes vote now doesn't necessarily mean she'll vote yes later. This preserves her leverage by keeping outsiders wondering whether she'll provide the bill any small amount of bipartisan backing. For now, at least, she wants debate to continue. 

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  1. Everything will hinge on whether House liberals cave in on their demand for a government plan, or dig in.

    I would say that Ms. Snowe just gave them a shovel and they are digging in as we speak.

    1. At the end of the day, I predict pushback.

      Sorry.

      1. We have taken two steps back.

  2. The Cynic in me believes that despite everything, this will ultimately become law. Because the power and prestige this gives to the Government will be too tempting for even the GOP to pass on – they’ll always have Obama and the Dems to blame if anyone complains (and the GOP will be blamed by anyone who is mad at the Dems).

    A court challenge is likely the only hope now.

    1. The Cynic in me believes that despite everything, this will ultimately become law. Because the power and prestige this gives to the Government will be too tempting for even the GOP to pass on –

      They don’t need the GOP. The GOP can give 0 votes to this package and it will still pass. The Democrats have 60 in the Senate and a House majority.

      I don’t understand why you’re bringing up the Republicans at all.

    2. Well, if the insurance mandate survives that will be the easiest thing to challange. Is it constitutional to force people to buy health insurance? I think they got away with auto insurance because nobody is forced to own a car … but health insurance, you have to have that just by living.

      I’m also hoping the insurance industry challanges the stuff on pre-existing conditions. They’ll be bankrupt anyway if they don’t. Because it doesn’t look like the mandate’s fines are going to be anywhere near enough to get anyone with half a brain to buy insurance.

      1. There’s also the fact that car insurance mandates are created by state laws – not federal law.

        The federal government has no authority beyond what is ennumerated in the text of the Constiution. Mandating individuals purchase health insurance policies isn’t in the list.

    3. Back in August, I posted a couple questions about healthcare reform. At any time between then and now, your leaders could have encouraged people to go ask them at meetings. That would have helped block UHC, it would have held pols accountable, it would have undercut the MSM (by showing how weak what they ask is), and it would have encouraged a higher-level debate.

      Instead, your leaders encouraged you to go throw tantrums and act like young baboons.

      Your leaders are demonstrable failures: they tried to block UHC but didn’t have the intelligence or the integrity to come up with an effective way to do it.

      P.S. In case anyone replies to this, their responses will almost assuredly be ad homs, thereby conceding my points and showing the childish, anti-intellectual nature of libertarians. Dozens of comments here have shown that the phrase “fascist libertarian” isn’t an oxymoron.

      1. So, did you go ask them these questions? I will be looking forward to seeing the results on YouTube.

  3. Seems to me that what Snowe’s really doing here isn’t so much voting in favor of the bill, but voting to give the bill a hearing on the Senate floor.

    Which is totally unnecessary, given the 13-10 advantage on the committee. She could just abstain.

    OTOH, her vote could actually be pretty crucial on the Senate floor.

    As she indicated in her statement, her yes vote now doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll vote yes later. This preserves her leverage by keeping outsiders wondering whether she’ll provide the bill any small amount of bipartisan backing.

    I doubt it will be read that way. “When history calls, history calls?” Even if the CBO doesn’t score it, etc., history will still be calling when it’s on the Senate floor, so I don’t see how she’s given herself room to vote against it later. That soundbite will kill her chances of doing so. If it’s “history calling,” you can’t worry about little things like affordability.

    They’ll move towards placating other recalcitrant Senators first. She just gave them her vote despite most of her requests being ignored.

    1. When history calls, I always just let it ring.

  4. “When history calls, history calls.”

    Every crackpot religious nut believes God talks directly to them. Every crackpot politician believes history talks directly to them.

    1. When Cthulhu calls, he calls collect.

      1. And you had damn well better accept the charges.

        1. Why doesn’t Cthulhu have a texting plan?

          1. Have you ever tried to spell “fhtagn” with autocorrect?

  5. Oh, and congratulations on having John Cornyn read your article into the Congressional Record, Peter. Not that it will make a difference, as the majority is just going to ignore everything you said about Massachusetts and other states’ experiences.

  6. Snow is a fucking idiot and greedy theiving bitch. She will sell out the country and anything else if she thinks it will get her buddies rich or some ass kissing by the MSM. She is truely a lowly sort of creature all too common in Washington.

    1. You coulda just said “she’s a republican.” Woulda worked for me.

      1. She is voting for your guy Obama and helping with Obamacare. I would think she would get some love for that.

        1. Just pushin’ your buttons John. That’s all.

          1. I know. And frankly you could say “Member of Congress” and imply everything I wrote.

            1. No argument here.

      2. That’s “she’s a moderate republican.”

  7. Bipartisanism yay.

    1. A far cry from towing the lion.

  8. “When history calls, history calls.”

    The fucking ego on these people.

    1. This is how liberty dies — with meaningless Yogi-isms.

  9. “History calls?” More like “nature calls.”

  10. Funny how I just read the AP version of the story and nowhere does it say she might vote against the final version.

    It’s incredible how the media now shapes the news instead of just reporting it.

  11. “Snoweblind”

    Mirror, mirror on the wall,
    The face you’ve shown me scares me so.
    I thought that I could call your bluff,
    But now the lines are clear enough.
    Life’s not pretty even though,
    I’ve tried so hard to make it so.
    Mornings are such cold distress,
    How did I ever get into this mess?

    I’m Snoweblind, can’t live without you.
    So fine, I just can’t get away.
    Now I’m Snoweblind, Snoweblind, Snoweblind.

    Harmless and innocent you devil in white.
    You stole my will without a fight.
    You filled me with confidence, but you blinded my eyes.
    You tricked me with visions of paradise.
    Now I realize I’m Snoweblind,
    Can’t live without you.
    So fine, I just can’t get away.
    Now I’m Snoweblind, Snoweblind, Snoweblind.

    Mirror, mirror I confess,
    I can’t escape this emptiness.
    No more reason to pretend,
    Here comes that same old feeling again.

    Snoweblind, can’t live without you,
    So fine I just can’t get away.
    Won’t you throw me a lifeline,
    I’m going down for the third time.
    I’m Snoweblind, and I can’t get away.

  12. Seems to me that what Snowe’s really doing here isn’t so much voting in favor of the bill, but voting to give the bill a hearing on the Senate floor.

    Right. Like Obama “opposed” telecom immunity.

    Oh, right, he “objected strongly to it” right before voting “Fuck yeah!”

  13. Domo arrigato, Pro Lib.

  14. “Seems to me that what Snowe’s really doing here isn’t so much voting in favor of the bill, but voting to give the bill a hearing on the Senate floor. As she indicated in her statement, her yes vote now doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll vote yes later.”

    Yeah Suderman and I love you and the check is in the mail and that guy won’t cum in your mouth. They didn’t need her vote to get it out of committee so why vote for it now rather than later? She is going to sell out. So stop trying to defend her.

  15. Xeones,

    I don’t know what it means, but it seemed apropos somehow. I only did the bit with the extra “e”, in any case.

    Snowe, cocaine. . .equally addictive, equally dangerous.

    1. She’s not that addictive… I mean, ok, if I were totally desperate, and drunk…. ok, maybe not even then.

      1. Not that kind of addictive, dude. Addictive to certain Maine voters.

        1. Oh, yeah, I knew you meant that…

  16. John Thacker brings up a great point upthread. The dems don’t need any help to pass this, or any other bill. Are they uncomfortable with this bill? Are they too worried about the next election? Are they a buncha spineless pussies? Do they need the Republicans to share the blame with when it completely discombobulates the medical industry? Christ Almaighty. Wy don’t the grow a set and just get it done if they really believe in it?

    1. They need Republicans to share the blame with. If Republicans vote for it, they can say “it was bipartisian and the best that could be done.” If no Republicans vote for it, they own it and no one wants that. They know this is going to screw people royally and they don’t care. They just want their name on something historic and more money and more control over people’s lives.

    2. Absolutely they are worried about the next election. Massive healthcare “reform” is just not popular with most voters, and the more they hear the details of the various Democrat plans, the less they like it. Lots of Democrats got elected in Republican-leaning districts in ’06 and ’08, many of them by complaining about too much spending by Republicans. Oh, the irony!

  17. John Thacker:

    Why bring up Republicans? In large part just because it was the biggest single story today — the one remaining unknown about today’s vote.

    And yes, you’re (obviously) right that Snowe’s vote wasn’t necessary to move the bill out of committee. But given

    -the amount of attention placed on her vote
    -the amount of effort Baucus has put into wooing her,
    -the way Snowe seems to crave leverage and attention

    I think it’s reasonable to speculate about what game she’s playing. And my guess — could be wrong! — is that 1) she wants to be seen to be in favor of further debate and 2) wants to preserve her position as a “maybe” vote who still can be wooed.

    1. And my guess — could be wrong! — is that 1) she wants to be seen to be in favor of further debate and 2) wants to preserve her position as a “maybe” vote who still can be wooed.

      Yeah, she wants to preserve her position, but I don’t think she’s doing that. Check the way this is being reported in the mainstream media, as opposed to on wonk sites.

      You preserve your position as a “maybe” by voting against and saying that you really want to vote for it, but you need Amendment X passed first.

      Even so, maybe she could have gotten away with the message she wanted, but “When history calls, history calls” really sinks her chances of doing so. What, she’s going to refuse “history’s call” because of a technical amendment about scoring?

      Voting for it now convinces moderates that it’s going to pass anyway and that they need to get on the train before it leaves the station. If her vote does that too much, then she’ll unify the Democrats and lose leverage since her vote won’t be necessary. Her leverage is based on uncertainty.

    2. So her amendments were brushed off and ignored in committee, and she still votes for it? Way to play hard to get, Senator Snowe.

      1. Olympia will lift her skirt for any legislation that sails into port if it will get her attention. (There’s probably a name for that sort of behavior.)

        Suderman, learn to use the reply feature. Sure, no one likes it, but it’s here now.

    3. and 2) wants to preserve her position as a “maybe” vote who still can be wooed.

      Bingo. “Oh look at me, I’m deliberative! And here’s an address where anyone trying to sway me can send campaign contributions.”

  18. Correction: Make that biggest *health-care* story today. (We already knew the bill would pass in committee.)

  19. ProL is a supernaut?

    1. Different song, different group.

  20. “I think it’s reasonable to speculate about what game she’s playing. And my guess — could be wrong! — is that 1) she wants to be seen to be in favor of further debate and 2) wants to preserve her position as a “maybe” vote who still can be wooed. ”

    Or to put it more succinctly, she wants to be able to hold out for the largest possible bribe. Consider this vote a showing of good faith to the people who will pay her off.

  21. Snowe’s vote has never been “unknown.”

  22. Seems to me that what Snowe’s really doing here isn’t so much voting in favor of the bill, but voting to give the bill a hearing on the Senate floor.

    I do believe that what Snowe did was vote “aye” in favor of the bill. Which to me, is voting in favor of the bill. The fact that the vote was cast in committee doesn’t change that.

    Jeebus, Suderman, do you have the Weigel Endowed Chair at Reason for Statist Suckups?

    1. Except didn’t Obama vote against telecom immunity during committee? I don’t give him a pass for that, when he voted for it in the really real world.

  23. I think it’s reasonable to speculate about what game she’s playing. And my guess — could be wrong! — is that 1) she wants to be seen to be in favor of further debate and 2) wants to preserve her position as a “maybe” vote who still can be wooed.

    So, we’ve determined that she’s a whore, and we’re now just negotiating the price?

    1. In the end, Mr Dean, when it comes to Congress, we are all really just negotiating price…

  24. Time to kick some life back into the public option. Give the insurance companies time to really pull out their big guns.

    1. I thought the insurance folks were all lined up with Obama thinking they stood to cash in? Weren’t there articles here suggesting as much?

      1. I thought the insurance folks were all lined up with Obama thinking they stood to cash in?

        They are, if they can get a bill with mandate but no public option. Their ranking of preferences:

        1) Mandate, no public option
        2) Status quo
        3) Public option.

        Politics is rarely binary.

        Consider Southern Democrats during the Civil Rights Era who favored Federal funding for schools, but opposed Federal funding after Republicans attached an amendment that it would only go to integrated schools.

        1. So it’s all about profits? Not the common good? The MSM is gonna have a field day. Reform is a done deal, I say.

          1. If by “reform”, you mean “giant clusterfuck”.

          2. So it’s all about profits? Not the common good? The MSM is gonna have a field day.

            Except that the Democrats have conceded the idea behind the mandate. Remember that the punitive mandate is needed in order to force the young n’ healthy to buy insurance and subsidize everyone else, which is a good thing in the reformers’ playbook.

          3. Incorrect. The Obama administration dealt directly with industry lobbists and made backdoor deals with them before the reform debate even took off. If this were any other political party, THEN the MSM would have a field day. But when NPR reports it, they frame it in a way that makes it look like good old fashioned smart politics and deal making. You know, the stuff Obama has to do to move the agenda forward.

            The MSM already had its chance to have its ‘field day’… and they blew it.

            1. Simply put, in any other setting, this would be called “corruption”. But with Obama, it’s called “progress”.

          4. Why, brotherben? It’s not like “reform” is about the common good, if you look at the ridiculous response to John Mackey’s op-ed. “Reform” is about going along with what the cool kids want and doing what sounds good or what history calls for, and not looking at data, or states that have tried similar things, or anything else like that.

      2. They WERE, but then the committee apparantly reduced the fines for not buying insurance to $200-$750 per year.

        Which, ya know, is way lower than the cheapest possible health insurance plans, even if they were legal.

        1. Why don’t they just make the fine a health insurance policy?

          1. Bingo. When the insurance companies go broke, it’ll become a mandatory premium for a national health insurance system.

      3. No, the articles here were about the hospital and pharmaceutical industries backing Obamacare (for a price) and running ads to that effect. The insurance companies have merely been passive observers so long as a mandate with draconian penalties was included in the bill.

  25. So, we’ve determined that she’s a whore, and we’re now just negotiating the price?<?I>

    RCD, there’s a perfect answer, already given above by John:

    …frankly you could say “Member of Congress”…

  26. /tag fail
    /time fail

    *shakes fist at keyboard*

  27. Kool, meet Preview. Preview? Meet Kool.

  28. Paul,

    Don’t make me shake my fist at you too!

    1. I feel you. I self fleggelate myself everytime I mis-post by writing “I will use the preview button” three times.

      Sometimes, you’re just really feeling HOT and you just submit first…

      1. Like for instance, I misspelled ‘flagellate’ as ‘flaggelate’. However, the preview button probably didn’t help me there. That was pure ignorance. It just didn’t look right after I submitted. You could say I spelled flagellate incorrectly during committee. You know, where it really didn’t matter?

        1. Aww fuck it.

          I will use the preview button.
          I will use the preview button.
          I will use the preview button.

  29. Pssht. Paul, there is no preview, and never has been.

    1. My computer has the “preview” function. (however, it is a short-bus model)

  30. “Seems to me that what Snowe’s really doing here isn’t so much voting in favor of the bill, but voting to give the bill a hearing on the Senate floor.”

    It seems to me that Olympia is voting to keep herself in the spotlight. “We’re getting there, but how about $10 billion for moose shit removal?”

    Also, the Democrats don’t really have 60 votes. Joe “Traitor” Lieberman is starting to moan and whine. (What else is new?)

    1. What about Arlen Sphincter? Is there any chance he’ll run for the general election ahead of his primary?

      Damn, it’s got to suck to be that guy! He keeps licking his finger and placing it in the air, but still can’t figure out which way it’s blowing!

      1. (Yeah, I know… you’re trying to see how many double entendres you can use in that post… it’s ok)

    2. And Robert Byrd is on ice somewhere. 58 votes, maybe?

    3. Well, the unions are moaning and whining, and putting an ad buy together publicly opposing the bill unless it’s changed.

      The problem is that taxing their expensive health care benefits is one of the ways that the bill is sort-of paid for.

    4. Did they seat Kennedy’s replacement from MA yet?

      Because if they haven’t, they got 59 D-ish votes, tops.

      1. Did they seat Kennedy’s replacement from MA yet?

        Yes, he took the oath three weeks ago.

  31. I thought the insurance folks were all lined up with Obama thinking they stood to cash in?

    They got off the bus when Baucus gutted the “mandate” part of the bill, leaving them holding the bag for everyone with pre-existing conditions without a big new pool of high-margin “customers.”

    1. I don’t recall that little factoid being in the news. But then, I just read the headlines and look at the pictures.

      1. That’s because you aren’t reading the right news. You are reading the sanitized pro-Obama news.

        If you’ll try this little magazine known as ‘Reason’ you’ll note they reported on it yesterday:

        https://reason.com/blog/2009/10…..-want-toug

        As NPR explained last week, “there would be no penalty for going without insurance in 2013. And the fines imposed starting in 2014 would amount to $200 for an adult, rising a few hundred bucks each year to $750 in 2017. Insurance would costs thousands of dollars a year, so the math isn’t very pretty for the risk pool.”

        I left in that part about “as NPR reports” just to be funny.

  32. Preview? There is no preview. There is only post, or post not.

  33. Can they really get Sen. Byrd to the floor to vote without killing him? And the question Snowe needs to be asked is how strong of a public option does she support. Because there will be one of some sort coming out of Conference.

  34. You know what? I hate threaded comments. Can we have a purely sequential option? After all, posts are merely data, which can be manipulated and displayed in all sorts of useful ways.

    1. I like threaded comments. Keeps the conversations together, instead of scattered all to hell and gone.

  35. ProL, now that responses are no longer directed to individuals, cronological order would be confusing. But, I’m with you. I will refrain fromusing the reply button, and preface my comment with the handle of my scorn, or agreement. I wish everybody would do it.

  36. Hmmmm. What goodies was Sen. Snowe promised to give this bill the go-ahead to be debated on the floor? Her and Snarlin’ Arlen should be locked in the stocks so the public can throw rotten produce at them!

  37. WASHINGTON ? A top labor lobbyist says about 30 unions will run a full-page ad in newspapers Wednesday announcing their opposition to the Senate Finance Committee’s health overhaul bill.

    The ad says that unless the bill brought to the Senate floor makes substantial progress to address the concerns of working men and women, unions will oppose it.

    The legislative director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, Chuck Loveless, says unions are unhappy that the legislation lacks a publicly run insurance plan and would tax insurers that provide expensive coverage.

    Sponsors included the AFL-CIO and the Communications Workers of America. The ad will run in The Washington Post, USA Today and Capitol Hill newspapers.

    http://www.google.com/hostedne…..QD9BACBOO5

    Ultimately, somebody has to get screwed. They have finally maybe have run out of people to rob. Bachus is trying to rob anyone with a decent health plan and is running into problems. I can’t beleive any plan not supported by the Unions has a chance in hell in this Congress.

    BTW, why does an otherwise decent state like Montana vote for a ass boil like Bachus?

    1. Here’s what else unions and their ilk are up to:

      In short, ACORN or not, the 2010 census will be an organizing tool for the American Left.

      Here is a partial list of other census partners, according to the Census website:

      AARP
      A. Phillip Randolph Institute
      AFL-CIO
      American Federation of Government Employees
      AFSCME
      American Federation of Teachers
      Coalition of Labor Union Women
      Coalition of Black Trade Unionists
      Community Action Partnership
      Families USA
      International Brotherhood of Teamsters
      Labor Council for the Latin American Advancement
      League of Women Voters of the United States
      National Black Justice Coalition
      National Council of La Raza
      National Education Association
      Pride at Work
      Rainbow Push Coalition
      Service Employees International Union
      Southern Coalition for Social Justice
      United Workers

      Workforce Alliance

      My problem all along is that overtly political organizations, say SEIU or ACORN, would be out collecting sensitive information on Americans. What would stop them from zapping off one copy of personal information for themselves as they submit it to the Census Bureau? We will essentially be paying organized labor and “social justice” organizations to recruit new members.

      With such a tight grip on the Census by the Obama administration and its allies, one wonders what the end result will be and if it can be trusted.

      1. Why the fuck is ANY political organization whatsoever being given a DIME to do the census?

        It seems plainly obvious to me that political groups or any sort shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near such a thing. They should have the post office doing it or something equally non-partisan.

        It’s just horrifying that people with a political agenda are anywhere near counting numbers that will determine congressional representaiton.

  38. Sugarfree, we need your, erm, unique insight into just what inducements and emoluments were offered to Ms. Snowe.

    1. Sorry, I was off writing a hamburger poem for the TB thread.

    2. I have to admit in the looks department, I kind of have a crush on her. Definitely a decade ago when she was fairly wrinkle free.

  39. Can they really get Sen. Byrd to the floor to vote without killing him?

    There’s only one way to find out.

    1. I know it’s unthinkable to think of Byrd resigning, but WV has a Dem governor right now. This blurb from his Wikipedia article is particularly unsettling:

      Political speculation has surrounded Manchin’s possible response should Senator Robert C. Byrd be unable to serve out a full term, but Manchin has almost universally refused to comment on the subject; however when asked during the Dominion Post West Virginia Gubernatorial Forum he stated that he would not appoint himself to the position.[6] Should the Senator die during his term, Manchin would have the responsibility of appointing a replacement.

    2. I’ll volunteer to drag him there.
      Senator Byrd, do you mind if we take the stairs?

  40. ProL, now that responses are no longer directed to individuals, cronological order would be confusing. But, I’m with you. I will refrain fromusing the reply button, and preface my comment with the handle of my scorn, or agreement. I wish everybody would do it.

    To the cause of unthreaded comments, I pledge my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor.

    1. Your life and your fortune, maybe. Your handle sugeests that you have no sacred honor.

    2. Forget that. Threaded comments are much better. That way you don’t have to traipse through tripe as much to find comments relevant to your interest.

      1. But it’s really *great* tripe!

      2. Don’t thread on me!

  41. There’s only one way to find out.

    I’m willing to risk it.

  42. Forget that. Threaded comments are much better. That way you don’t have to traipse through tripe as much to find comments relevant to your interest.

    But you have to reread the whole thread to see any activity on other lines of argument.

    But me down as favoring the unthreaded kind. Though I would be willing to accept a selectable view.

    1. If you prefer the unthreaded kind, feel free, to post your comments as non-replies, and ignore the comments from those who DO like threaded comments, like me.

  43. Yet another dispatch from the Liverpool Care Pathway, from London’s Daily Mail:

    A grandfather who beat cancer was wrongly told the disease had returned and left to die at a hospice which pioneered a controversial “death pathway.”Doctors said there was nothing more they could do for 76-year-old Jack Jones, and his family claim he was denied food, water and medication except painkillers. He died within two weeks. But tests after his death found that his cancer had not come back and he was in fact suffering from pneumonia brought on by a chest infection.To his family’s horror, they were told he could have recovered if he’d been given the correct treatment.

  44. I, too, prefer the old comments style. I am weigh too fat to be moving up and down this much.

    Meds are kickin my butt now and it’s naptime. Have a a great evening everyone.

  45. Don’t thread on me.

    1. I’m threading on you and there’s nothing you can do to stop me, nyahhhhh!

      1. Post free or die.

  46. ProL,
    I prefer non-threaded, however the way threading can be done with Scoop (ie kuro5hin.org) when you are logged in, it keeps track of what has been read and puts a ‘[new]’ flag on the new posts.. Not too bad, but not perfect.

  47. Flags, icons, personal servants–all of these things are okay. But this system is distancing me from my favorite blog [sob].

    1. What? Feministing isn’t so different from the new style hereabouts. You should feel right at home.

      I keed I keed.

  48. Just watched the first half of the Newshour. Has anyone ever noticed that whenever Joanne Woodward begins the show with some item that advances a progressive position or cause she has a horny gleam in her eye? I don’t think you can miss it.
    I can only imagine what she and Al Hunt use for their safe word.

    1. Joanne Woodward?
      I thought that was Murphy Brown.

  49. I think Snowe is very corageous. More than I can say for the blue dog Democratic bunch. They will pay a heavy price come election day.
    A vote against the private option is a vote for the Insurance Industry.

  50. Senator Snowe has neither the convictions to kill this thing nor to give it support. The process is more imprtant than the result to her, color me unimpressed.

  51. “When history calls, history calls.”

    I guess when Snowe was a teenager and her mother asked “if everbody else jumped off a bridge…”

    Olympia’s answer was “of course, but I’d have reservations”

  52. I’m jist a girl who cain’t say no,
    I’m in a turrible fix
    I always say “come on, le’s go”
    Jist when I orta say nix!

  53. If you prefer the unthreaded kind, feel free, to post your comments as non-replies, and ignore the comments from those who DO like threaded comments, like me.

    Thus generating the worst of both worlds.

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