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It's Not a Tax Increase, It's Just Government Taking Your Money

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Obama hit the Sunday morning yackety yak show yesterday, and did some dancing around the t-word (via the WSJ):

Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Mr. Obama was asked by host George Stephanopoulos about the "individual mandate." Under Max Baucus's Senate bill that Mr. Obama supports, everyone would be required to buy health insurance or else pay a penalty as high as $3,800 a year. Mr. Stephanopoulos posed the obvious question about this kind of coercion when "the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't [buy insurance]. . . . How is that not a tax?"

"Well, hold on a second, George," Mr. Obama replied. "Here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average—our families—in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that. That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances.  And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's . . ."

"That may be," Mr. Stephanopoulos responded, "but it's still a tax increase." (In fact, uncompensated care accounts for about only 2.2% of national health spending today, but that's another subject.)

Mr. Obama: "No. That's not true, George. The—for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore . . ." In other words, like parents talking to their children, this levy—don't call it a tax—is for your own good.

Mr. Stephanopoulos tried again: "But it may be fair, it may be good public policy—"

Mr. Obama: "No, but—but, George, you—you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase."

"I don't think I'm making it up," Mr. Stephanopoulos said. He then had the temerity to challenge the Philologist in Chief, with an assist from Merriam-Webster. He cited that dictionary's definition of "tax"—"a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

Mr. Obama: "George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. . . ."

Mr. Stephanopoulos: "I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase."

Mr. Obama: "My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but . . ."

Mr. Stephanopoulos: "But you reject that it's a tax increase?"

Mr. Obama: "I absolutely reject that notion."

Reason on Obama's already broken promise not to raise taxes here.

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  1. “Mr. Obama: “I absolutely reject that notion.”

    Then you’re either a fucking idiot or a damn liar. Probably both. And maybe even a bit delusional.

  2. “In other words, like parents talking to their children, this levy-don’t call it a tax-is for your own good.”

    Where did daddy touch you? Show me on the doll where daddy touched you.

    1. Read it again; that sentence is not part of the quote but rather an editorial insertion. Although arguably true, Obama himself didn’t say it.

  3. Poor Obama. George didn’t kiss his ass. It must have been quite a shock.

  4. Wow, just wow…….
    How do I learn to obfuscate the truth like this so I can holds lots of power and waste your tax dollars?

  5. No Kyle, he thinks you are an idiot and will believe anything he tells you. His commercials for 2012 ought to come with a closing line of

    “I’m Barrack Obama. I am smart and you are stupid. And I can tell you proles anything no matter how stupid and contradictory and you are going to believe it. And if you don’t, you are just bickering and being devisive.”

  6. “What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore…”

    The irony goggles! They do nothing!

  7. “And if you don’t, you are just bickering and being devisive.”

    No, actually your being racist….

  8. Wow! Whether one calls taking my money a tax or not really matters very little. I’m actually a little surprised Obama was so adamant about this.

  9. Wow, aint that the truth. Too funny dude!

    RT
    http://www.real-privacy.net.tc

  10. “In other words, like parents talking to their children, this levy-don’t call it a tax-is for your own good.”

    Talk about paternalism! Wow! The bitch doesn’t even try to hide it.

  11. How do I learn to obfuscate the truth like this so I can holds lots of power and waste your tax dollars?

    Chicago?

    My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that.

    Note the absence of a denial here.

  12. Shut the fuck up, Mr. Obama.

  13. He’s right. It’s not a tax, it’s extortion.

  14. I listened to that exchange, and the most (only) surprising thing was the little weasel’s refusal to let the Presidential Suit off the hook.

    And, yes,

    we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore

    made me yell at the teevee.

  15. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy

    …when it’s only health care, and manufacturing — and telecoms and energy — oh, and finance. But zucchini farming will remain as free as ever. What was the question, again, George?

  16. …when it’s only health care, and manufacturing — and telecoms and energy — oh, and finance. But zucchini farming will remain as free as ever. What was the question, again, George?

    I heard he’s promising to raise the chocolate ration to 25 grams.

  17. Only tangentially related, but this item in this morning’s paper caught my eye.

    The delay in benefits approval, experts say, can mean a slow slide into poverty, with laid-off workers eating up their savings or even losing their homes. Older workers with health problems are increasingly turning to disability to stay afloat after losing their jobs because they are often less likely to find new employment, experts say.

    It takes an average of 676 days to get a claim processed at Metro Detroit’s Oak Park office — the third longest wait time among the country’s 142 hearings offices. Only the Madison, Wis., and Indianapolis offices are slower at 688 and 719 days, respectively.

    Processing takes 659 days in Detroit, which ranks fifth slowest in the country. The average wait time nationwide is 487 days.

    That’s the Social Security Disabilty Insurance Program.*

    I guess I’m just a cynical bastard that doesn’t appreciate the government’s Herculean efforts to take care of us.

    * You may note the government’s website doesn’t mention their molasses in January response times on their website.

  18. you get hit by a bus\

    This would be covered by auto insurance, but thanks for avoiding reality.

  19. How in the hell is looking up a definiting in the fucking dictionary “stretching a little bit” in the least? I mean, I thought that’s what the fucking book is for.

  20. Continuing to study Obamaese …

    The-for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.

    He’s right: “us saying something” is *not* a tax increase.

  21. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s . . .”

    …an enormous pile of horsehit. How many logical fallacies can Obama get to dance on the head of a pin?

  22. Dictionary definitions are

    FAAAAAAAAAAAASCIIIIIIIIIT!!11!!

  23. It’s not a tax, it’s extortion.

    What’s the difference?

  24. What’s the difference?

    The fig leaf of manufactured consent.

  25. we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance,

    Maybe, just maybe, we should be thinking about making health CARE “affordable”.

  26. Xeones,

    Tax is such an ugly word. “Extortion” or “forced protective contribution” are so much better.

  27. we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore

    I’m really sick of hearing about how because I might cost the public some small amount (percentage of total cost wise), is an excuse for the government to take away my choices, my freedoms, and my money.

    There are significantly better options for reducing the costs involved with health care then mandating people to pay for insurance. Just addressing the emergency room question, we could try actually enforcing immigration laws. Or maybe we should just send Mexico a bill.

  28. “It’s not a tax, it’s extortion.

    What’s the difference?”

    It’s not a tax, its anal.

  29. Holy fuck- the Suit just got a fucking raucous rock star welcome at HVCC.

    Shut the fuck up, Campaigner-in-Chief.

  30. “we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore”

    But aren’t people who don’t have insurance going bankrupt and facing poverty every day? If not having insurance is so horrible, how is it getting other people to carry your burdens? Also, if not having insurance is letting other people carry your burdens, they why aren’t illegal aliens being forced to buy insurance? Aren’t they uninsured and forcing their burdens on us?

  31. Tax is such an ugly word. “Extortion” or “forced protective contribution” are so much better.

    Thanks for your contribution.

  32. we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore

    Great! Where do I sign up for that?

  33. Conveniently ignored by our president is the fact that those without health insurance already pay an effective 2.9% of their income for medicare. A healthy young couple without insurance at the poverty line is already paying $422.53 annually towards the nation’s health care bill.

    IOW, young folks with or without health insurance are paying to help insure those over 65. Don’t we all just love intergenerational wealth transfers?

  34. Actually, I’d probably call it an “unfunded mandate”.

    For what it’s worth.

  35. Who ever knew that Noah Webster was a racist?

  36. empty platitudes

    vacuous inane blather

    pontification

  37. “And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care”

    What’s never, ever, ever challenged in that statement is the premise that everyone is entitled to “free” emergency room care. It’s regarded as a given, a right, a thing never to be questioned. It’s the fundamental fallacy in this whole debate. When opponents of Obama-Care accept from the start the moral code of altruism, they are doomed. They’ve done half their opponents’ work for them. The only thing left are the details, the “It’ll cost too much!” copouts, and the eventual surrender.

  38. Nice one, Mark! (12:03pm)

    If only it were T-shirtable.

  39. @ – you’re right, it’s never challenged that people “deserve” “free” emergency room care. And, they don’t.

    But, the reality is that most people are covered. From a strictly economic standpoint it’s probably worthwhile to treat people who come into the emergency room assuming they can pay.

  40. “Since we have inflated the cost of college, we will inflate those costs some more.”

    What a fucking imbecile.

  41. If we had more illegal immigrants working in emergency rooms, we could pay them next to nothing and save lots of money that way.

  42. Now why couldn’t someone in the audience have shouted “You obfuscate!”

    Wilson should’ve thought of that. More highbrow, more accurate… would have made for more fun on the talk show junket.

    Imagine the flurry of dictionary consulting *that* would have stirred?

    Will there ever be a day when I can hear POTUS on the radio without feeling compelled to shout obscenities as I bash the Power button to shut him up? How do people listen to this tripe and believe it?!?

  43. “George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. . . .”

    Yeah, only a racist would rely on the so-called “experts” down at Merriam-Webster.

  44. The Government will innovate us into the future!!!

  45. “we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore.”

    Awesome! Honestly, I’m 100% behind this!

    So we need to repeal Medicare, medicaid, social security, welfare, and all other entitlements that aren’t self sufficient…right?

  46. And there is no entitlement to “free” care at an emergency room. They are obliged to treat you even if you don’t have cash up front, but they will do their damnedest to bill you. Perhaps they should have the right to come break your kneecaps when you don’t pay. But that would be counterproductive since you would just head right back to the ER.

    But seriously, as much as I hate to see people forced to pay for other people’s problems, I do see some serious moral problems with being able to refuse care at an ER. At least in cases that are actual emergencies.

  47. Who’s the black private dick
    that’s a sex machine to all the chicks?
    (Barack!)
    You’re damn right
    Who is the man
    that would risk his neck for his brother man?
    (Barack!)
    Can ya dig it?
    Who’s the cat that won’t cop out
    when there’s danger all about
    (Barack!)
    Right on
    You see this cat Barack is a bad mother–
    (Shut your mouth)
    But I’m talkin’ about Barack
    (Then we can dig it)
    He’s a complicated man
    but no one understands him but his woman
    (Barack Obama)

  48. Talk about paternalism! Wow! The bitch doesn’t even try to hide it.

    As much as what Obama says in this interview sucks barnacle infested porpoise ass, it should be noted that the sentence you’re referring to is commentary on what he said and not part of the actual statement (and should probably be in brackets or italicized or something).

  49. you’re right, it’s never challenged that people “deserve” “free” emergency room care.

    Warty made me do it.

  50. And Obama wanted me to.

  51. Obama is such a lying piece of shit.

  52. Listen, when someone doesn’t pay their credit card off, my rates go up as a result. If everyone always paid, the companies could make the same money with drastically less interest.

    Why shouldn’t the government just pay off those unpaid credit card balances and raise your taxes accordingly.

    I mean, its high time we stop carrying the burden of these people, right?

    Or… how about instead of having 4 kids and living in a 3,200 square foot house, you have 1 or 2 kids, live in a 1,500 square foot house and save some for, oh, I don’t know, retirement and health care.

    Idiots.

  53. I like your succinctness, T.

  54. It is also a concern that would need to be addressed that an unconscious patient arriving at an Emergency could not provide payment, or prove the ability to pay prior to receiving services.

    However, I don’t think that people with situations that aren’t reasonably immediately life threatening, should be admitted to the emergency room. Maybe hospitals should have 24hr urgent care type of facilities. A place where people could be turned away for the inability to pay. That way, emergency rooms would have someplace to send people who don’t meet the level of emergency required.

  55. Dammit!

    Ahh, screw it, I’m gonna go get drunk. Stupid HTML. Stupid internets.

  56. Uninsured guy gets hit by a bus: We pay.

    Public-insured guy gets hit by a bus: We pay.

    Where is the savings in this scenario? He’s going to an ER on the taxpayer dime either way.

  57. You’re a racist for pointing out that flaw in Big O’s statement, Sweet’n’Low.

  58. SugarFree | September 21, 2009, 12:28pm | #

    Uninsured guy gets hit by a bus: We pay.
    Public-insured guy gets hit by a bus: We pay.

    Uninsured guy gets hit by a bus – bus company’s insurer pays.
    Public-insured guy gets hit by a bus: we pay.

    FTFY.

  59. Resistance is Futile.

  60. matth,

    The deadly acceptance of the moral code that I’m my brother’s keeper–and he is mine–is what is driving all other nanny-state grabs at person freedoms, such as anti-smoking ordinances, fat taxes, sugar taxes, bike helmet laws, etc. “If you hurt yourself and I have to pay for it…” the nanny-staters invariably begin their argument. That’s when the premise that I must pay for your personal choices–and their consequences–must be challenged and defeated on moral grounds. It has nothing to do with economics. Most libertarians get it. But most people aren’t consistent libertarians, not even the loudest of the tea-party protesters.

  61. What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore . . .”

    So disabled parking will disappear? Other parts of the ADA are now on the line as being too expensive?

    Why does this sound more ominous than anything else out of the president’s mouth?

  62. If you aren’t being taxed to the point that The Chosen One deems appropriate, you’re being carried. Basically, everything is His, and what you keep is a gift from Him.

  63. Uninsured guy gets hit by a bus – bus company’s insurer pays.

    From anecdotes I have heard where I live, you get hit by a city bus and good luck getting paid by anybody. Not happening. So I’m willing to give SF’s version some credit.

  64. Big B,

    I was assuming it was a public bus and they would claim sovereign immunity.

  65. Looking up a word’s definition means you lose the argument? Lonewacko should use that one.

  66. Looking up a word’s definition means you lose the argument?

    Dictionaries are racist, just like Newton’s work was a rape manual (an accusation I’m not making up).

  67. Why does this sound more ominous than anything else out of the president’s mouth?

    Come on. A burdensome cigarette is much more ominous.

  68. Lonewacko should use that one.

    I’m pretty sure he has.

  69. like Newton’s work was a rape manual (an accusation I’m not making up).

    details plz

  70. T & SF – ok. sorry.

  71. Rape For Fun and Profit by Wayne Newton?

    I’ve got that one.

  72. To the poster “@”: Please keep posting here. Your stuff is lucid, pitch-perfect and dead-on.

    This health-care debate, like so many others, mostly takes place on top of the argument, rather than down in its core. As @ says, this stuff has to be challenged at its premise level. Don’t let anybody take anything for granted, or you’ve basically handed them the debate.

  73. details plz

    I’m not googling that phrase from a work computer.

  74. Isaac Newton’s Principia Mathematica is a ‘rape manual’ because ‘science is a male rape of female nature’.

  75. I know we’ve moved on since the house bill, but that piece of legislation enforced mandatory coverage by amending THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. How is that not a tax?

  76. One phenomenon feminist historians have focused on is the rape and torture metaphors in the writings of Sir Francis Bacon and others (e.g. Machiavelli) enthusiastic about the new scientific method. Traditional historians and philosophers have said that these metaphors are irrelevant to the real meanings and referents of scientific concepts held by those who used them and by the public for whom they wrote. But when it comes to regarding nature as a machine, they have quite a different analysis: here, we are told, the metaphor provides the interpretations of Newton’s mathematical laws: it directs inquirers to fruitful ways to apply his theory and suggests the appropriate methods of inquiry and the kind of metaphyiscs the new theory supports. But if we are to believe that mechanistic metaphors were a fundamental component of the explanations the new science provided, why should we believe that the gender metaphors were not? A consistent analysis would lead to the conclusion that understanding nature as a woman indifferent to or even welcoming rape was equally fundamental to the interpretations of these new conceptions of nature and inquiry. Presumably these metaphors, too, had fruitful pragmatic, methodological, and metaphysical consequences for science. In that case, why is it not as illuminating and honest to refer to Newton’s laws as “Newton’s rape manual” as it is to call them “Newton’s mechanics”?

    Presumably, this dumb cunt is referring to Francis Bacon’s quote about “forcing nature to give up her secrets”. This is why all non-science graduate students should be given a daily whipping.

  77. This health-care debate, like so many others, mostly takes place on top of the argument, rather than down in its core. As @ says, this stuff has to be challenged at its premise level. Don’t let anybody take anything for granted, or you’ve basically handed them the debate.

    I’ve been amusing myself by asking people if health care is a public good (non-excludable and non-rivalrous). If it’s not, why is it the government’s business to provide it? I also try to get people to see the blindingly obvious fact that insurance != health care.

  78. I don’t even understand what it is Obama is TRYING to say.

  79. Holy fuck- the Suit just got a fucking raucous rock star welcome at HVCC.

    Of course he did. It was invitation only. Not that it would have mattered. Albany has it’s fair share of mooching low-lifes.

  80. matth, I don’t think most of the tea partiers are actually libertarians. I don’t think they are pretending to be.

  81. They always go directly to roads.

    Those long, winding, wide roads, snaking through the virgin underbrush…

    BTW, the self-hating pseudo-males that post there make me want to fucking puke.

  82. Just fucking do away with the mandate to treat anyone who shows up in an emergency room. Any hospital that absolutely refuses to treat dying people there will get slammed with awful media coverage and quickly change their policy. But, forcing hospitals to treat not-dying people leads to this shit of “you not having health insurance is costing other people money”.

    Don’t concede the socialists’ altruistic agenda — don’t concede that other people have the “right” to force doctors and hospitals to treat them without compensation. Because that’s part-time slavery (or “serfdom” if you want to sugar-coat it.)

  83. the self-hating pseudo-males that post there

    We call them Ezra Kleins.

  84. “George, the fact that you looked up in an ultra right-wing conservative dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now.”

  85. And actually, he didn’t look up the definition of “tax increase,” he looked up the definition of “tax.” There *is* a difference, Mr. President.

  86. By the way, does anyone have the odds that Jimmy Carter will now speak out against the racism inherent in dictionary definitions?

  87. How in the hell is looking up a definiting in the fucking dictionary “stretching a little bit” in the least?

    Because uncharacteristically, little George was resorting to facts in the face of ideology. This must be belittled — notice President Obama’s tolerant laugh at George’s silly adherence to consensus reality — and denied.

  88. Warty,

    I propose a wimpiness scale based on Klein. As wimpy as Klein is 1. Therefore Krugman would be about a .78, and Eric Alterman about .94.

  89. What are you, Jake, a rapist or something?

  90. Measurements are rape, SugarFree.

  91. “What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore . . .”

    It’s good that George called him on it claiming it wasn’t a tax increase but it would have been even better if he had pointed out the BS of Obama’s “irresponsibilty” nonnsense by noting that what Obama is really attempting to do is make all those folks subsidize other people’s healthcare instead of merely paying for their own by preventing them from getting a catastrophic care type only policy with premiums based on their own individual risk profile.

  92. I don’t think that people with situations that aren’t reasonably immediately life threatening, should be admitted to the emergency room. Maybe hospitals should have 24hr urgent care type of facilities. A place where people could be turned away for the inability to pay. That way, emergency rooms would have someplace to send people who don’t meet the level of emergency required.

    It is grossly irrational to run not-really-emergency patients through the emergency room, instead of shunting them into another part of the system/facility. There *has* to be a reason hospitals do this. I suspect it has to do with the huge disparity between what it actually costs for emergency room treatment for somebody with the sniffles, as opposed to what the hospital can “bill” even if it is just an accounting loss, for income reporting purposes.

    I would be interested to hear somebody with actual experience address this.

  93. Feministing has the best links

    Elan admits that even if the woman hadn’t accused five men of raping her, she still would have “cheapened herself” by having sex with the men “willingly.” Meanwhile, the four released men in the case carry no such group-sex stigma when they pose triumphantly outside the jailhouse doors. In case you’re interested, it gets worse.

  94. To use the tired old “automotive” metaphor, if somebody brings his generic shitbox to your shop which specializes in major reconstructive restorations, and asks you to change his oil, you kick him out.

  95. Elan admits that even if the woman hadn’t accused five men of raping her, she still would have “cheapened herself” by having sex with the men “willingly.”

    Would it have helped if she thought of the Mother Country?

  96. Off topic, but this is too precious:

    On the BBC World Service: World Have Your Say program, find a bunch of leftists sniping at each other about Obama and his (and the Democrats’) gutlessness about “change”. They’re yelling at each other like they were on O’Reilly or something, making asses out of themselves in front of the rest of the world.

    The only thing they seem to agree on is that the significant numbers of people who disagree with the President are “insane”. At that point, it turns into an echo chamber completely out of touch with reality for about 15 seconds until one of them finds something to blast one of the others about.

    The moderator must be bewildered.

    XM 131 if anyone wants to share in the fun.

  97. Something that’s been bothering me.
    If Health Care is a moral issue, and everyone must have it and we should all pay for it…

    Aren’t Democrats forcing their morality onto others? That seems like a very Republican thing to do.

  98. When the president uses a word, it means exactly what he intends it to mean. Nothing more and nothing less.

    Props to GS for calling him on this shit.

  99. Well it’s not a tax INCREASE, it’s just a NEW tax.

  100. Blue-dog Democrats = Corporate Democrats.

    I love it!

  101. “You can’t have diminishing returns when the President speaks!”

    Hah!

  102. Mr. Obama: “George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. . . .”

    I don’t know what kind of Sophistry they teach you at Harvard, but here in America, the proper usage of words is an essential part of any healthy debate.

    Mr. Obama: “My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. “

    You are denying it?

  103. This clown’s starting to sound like he believes his own bullshit. If the IRS is going to force me to buy something that I wasn’t forced to buy last year, that’s a tax increase. Denying it is a baldfaced lie.

    -jcr

  104. Democrats force their morality on people all the time, just as much as Republicans, as far as I’m concerned, in even more insidious ways – because they often get a pass on moralizing and because what they are trying to control is much more encompassing than whether or not people are having anal sex.

  105. Just fucking do away with the mandate to treat anyone who shows up in an emergency room. Any hospital that absolutely refuses to treat dying people there will get slammed with awful media coverage and quickly change their policy. But, forcing hospitals to treat not-dying people leads to this shit of “you not having health insurance is costing other people money”.

    Don’t concede the socialists’ altruistic agenda — don’t concede that other people have the “right” to force doctors and hospitals to treat them without compensation. Because that’s part-time slavery (or “serfdom” if you want to sugar-coat it.)

    No, continue to do treat without proof of payment, but don’t let pleading “poverty” get you off from paying the bill. Face it, as soon as someone dies or is crippled from being denied care, the nuclear option will be triggered hard and furiously by the lawyers committee.

    Getting “free” medical care after the fact should be as painful and awkward as a dozen un-lubed and un-anesthetized colonoscopies. In a row. Publicly.

    Screw compassion for extremely poor choices in life. Those choices, as long as you are a societal parasite, be flogged early and flogged often.

    Shill for Big Stigma.

  106. George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary

    Who you gonna believe? A neutral reference book, or Hopey McChange? What are you, George? Some kind of objecivist? Turn in your Democratic Apparatchiki Union card on your way out. I should have known you weren’t politically reliable when you jumped off Bill Clinton’s sinking ship!

    -jcr

  107. How about a deal? I’ll buy health insurance if Obama buys one of my elephant insurance policies for $10,000. Think about it. Do we really want the leader of the free world unprotected from the risk of getting trampled by elephants?

  108. Oh, and for the record: Obama lies.

    -jcr

  109. XM 131 if anyone wants to share in the fun.

    No thanks. Yelling at the tee-vee is bad enough.

  110. Oh, and for the record: Obama lies.

    I wonder when the citizens in the Nuclear Free? People’s Republic of Takoma Park, Md will replace their very prominent and popular BUSH LIED/BUSH LIES yard signs with OBAMA LIES yard signs?

  111. So waitjustafuckingminutehere…

    Obama takes a trip to Troy, NY, and instead of speaking at the one actual, y’know, decent university in town, speaks to the Troylets at Happy Valley Country Club?

    WTF?

    Was he afraid that the RPI students would ask him intelligent questions that might challenge his ability to formulate a response?

    Just…wow.

  112. At RPI, they learn about experiments with verifiable, repeatable results.

  113. The whistle words “monkey”, “negro”, and “coon” are in Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary. That’s plenty of evidence for racism in my opinion.

  114. Was he afraid that the RPI students would ask him intelligent questions that might challenge his ability to formulate a response?

    Dude, he’s a freaking poli-sci major. He doesn’t want to go talk to engineers. They’ll confuse him, with all the logic and stuff.

  115. I wonder when the citizens in the Nuclear Free? People’s Republic of Takoma Park, Md will replace their very prominent and popular BUSH LIED/BUSH LIES yard signs with OBAMA LIES yard signs?

    Weather report from hell: Still pretty toasty around here…

    -jcr

  116. as someone who has fondled statistics their whole career, I find obama’s use of ‘averages’ (in this case, average increased ‘cost’ – read: money wasted in the already-screwed-up system – being 900 per fam) to be disingenuous to the extreme. Taken at his own word, what he’s saying is that we’re going to move losses down the foodchain. Or, just make taxpayers pay directly for the waste we previously charged indirectly for. Way to rationalize there buddy.

  117. by the way, did i miss something, or is lonewacko on vacation?

    Havent seen our poor retarded-dog mascot in so long. Is it for lack of ImmigrationRelated kibbles?

  118. Shorter Obama: I’m not going to take money from you, I’m going to make you give it to me. Completely different.

  119. They always go directly to roads.

    Just shit in their Cheerios by pulling out the little ol’ fact that in the socialist single-payer paradise of Sweden, two thirds of the roads are privately owned. In plenty of other enlightened Western European social democracies, it’s around half.

  120. “It’s not a tax” is just another version of “It all depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is. Two progressives cut from the same bolt of prevaricating cloth.

  121. Not matter what you fucking call it if money leaves my pocket and goes to the government or is indirectly spent someplace due to government requiring I do so or face penalty it is a tax. You could call it Rainbows and Unicorn puppy fund, if it goes to Government it is a fucking tax.

    This jackass could hide behind his rectoric during the election but as it proves out that it is all he has it gets older and older. The guy is a lying, deceiving SOB. I love when he is off the teleprompter then you hear the real man.

    IE Your a kid and it is for your own good, or the comparison of UPS and FedEx to the Post Office as how government insurance will be competative and a good thing. When he is off the teleprompter he is still lying buy his analogies only serve to make the point of those that do not agree with him. He makes our points for us but still stands there smiling like he actually knows something.

    Has anyone compiled a list of his promises versus what he has actually done since elected? I would be very interested to see that LONG LIST.

  122. You could call it Rainbows and Unicorn puppy fund, if it goes to Government it is a fucking tax.

    Actually, it’s not where it goes that makes it a tax, it’s the fact that it’s a mandatory payment that’s not to enforce some contract that you entered into voluntarily that makes it a tax.

    If the IRS forced you to write out a check to General Motors, it would still be a tax.

    -jcr

  123. Then you’re either a fucking idiot or a damn liar.

    Racist…

  124. I heard he’s promising to raise the chocolate ration to 25 grams.

    Double plus good!

  125. I’d like to report some fishy information the healthcare overhau– erh, I mean reform.

  126. Merriam-Webster.

    Dead white men.

  127. So… Question: I cite references from the dictionary all the time, on these boards even. Popular favorites of late include “ration”, “theft”, “slavery”, “taxation”, and “rights”.

    Am I a racist?

  128. “ration”, “theft”, “slavery”, “taxation”, and “rights”.

    Code words for racism. So, yeah, you’re a kloset klansman.

  129. Am I a racist?

    If you have to ask, the answer is yes.

  130. I thought as much… Damn. What should I do? Anyone know where to find white hoods?

  131. Presumably, this dumb cunt is referring to Francis Bacon’s quote about “forcing nature to give up her secrets”. This is why all non-science graduate students should be given a daily whipping.

    Most liberal arts studies are utter bullshit anyway. It is one thing to study them, but another to focus on it. What do history and philosophy majors do after they finish compiling all their worthless degrees? Get a job at a university. And the government subsidizes the cycle.

  132. Anyone know where to find white hoods?

    These guys probably still have some lying around.

  133. It’s not a tax increase, taxes are constitutional and an increase would be too. To force a citizen to buy a service is a different issue and I question the constitutionality for forcing citizens to purchase services.

  134. I question the constitutionality for forcing citizens to purchase services.

    Like medicare and social security?

  135. hmmm has slightly worse grammar than me. It’s the extra m chromosome.

  136. Like medicare and social security?

    Since you asked, yes: those programs are unconstitutional, too. The states could have those kinds of programs if they want, but it’s not a federal prerogative.

    Of course, nobody put up much resistance to most of FDR’s other power-grabs, either.

    -jcr

  137. Early in August I was picked up by a couple of Minneapolis cops for not being able to walk in a straight line. I told them I was going to meet my ride but they said they didn’t care. they told me it’d be their responsibility if I got myself hurt, to which I responded “No it wouldn’t, it’d be min!” After a little while of trying to reason with them it became apparent that they weren’t going to let me go, so I flew completely off the handle. Eventually they took me down, put me in handcuffs, stuffed me into the back seat of their cruiser, took me to a hospital, and dragged me to detox (literally, as soon as they took me down I went completely limp). As soon as they were gone I told the people at the hospital what happenened, so they gave me a breathalyzer and determined I wasn’t drunk enough to be there. About two weeks later I received a bill from the hospital for $233, for the breathalyzer test, then about another two weeks later I got a bill for $670, for “receiving emergency care.”

    I think I’m going to go ahead and let the liberal ass voters in the twin cities pay for saving me from myself.

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  140. “Of course, nobody put up much resistance to most of FDR’s other power-grabs, either.”

    You know, that’s not actually true JCR – we just don’t hear about it because the “victor” gets to write the history books. Hayek’s debates with Keynes and the entire classical liberal establishment back in the 30s & 40s were intense.

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