Obama's Never-Ending Health Care Speech
As the president readies an even more intense media campaign to promote his health care proposals, George Will theorizes why the effort isn't working.
His incessant talking cannot combat what it has caused: An increasing number of Americans do not believe that he believes what he says.
He says America's health-care system is going to wrack and ruin and requires root-and-branch reform—but that if you like your health care (as a large majority of Americans do), nothing will change for you. His slippery new formulation is that nothing in his plan will "require" anyone to change coverage. He used to say, "If you like your health-care plan, you'll be able to keep your health-care plan, period." He had to stop saying that because various disinterested analysts agree that his plan will give many employers incentives to stop providing coverage for employees.
He deplores "scare tactics" but says that unless he gets his way, people will die. He praises temperate discourse but says many of his opponents are liars. He says Medicare is an exemplary program that validates government's prowess at running health systems. But he also says Medicare is unsustainable and going broke, and that he will pay for much of his reforms by eliminating the hundreds of billions of dollars of waste and fraud in this paragon of a program, and in Medicaid. He says Congress will cut Medicare (it will not) by $500 billion—without affecting benefits. […]
He suggests health-insurance companies are making excessive profits. But since 1996, profits of the six such companies in the S&P 500 have been below the 500's average. He says a "public option"—a government insurance program—would not be subsidized to enable it to compete unfairly with private insurers. (The post office and the government's transportation -"public option," Amtrak, devour subsidies.)
I argued why Obama's cake-and-eat-it-tooism matters last week.
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Wow, George Will is a racist too?
Someone needs to be compiling a list.
"He deplores "scare tactics" but says that unless he gets his way, people will die. He praises temperate discourse but says many of his opponents are liars. He says Medicare is an exemplary program that validates government's prowess at running health systems. But he also says Medicare is unsustainable and going broke, and that he will pay for much of his reforms by eliminating the hundreds of billions of dollars of waste and fraud in this paragon of a program, and in Medicaid. He says Congress will cut Medicare (it will not) by $500 billion-without affecting benefits. [...]"
The above paragraph should be printed out at least 1 billion times and dropped from planes over the whole of the United States. Repeatedly until people get a fucking clue.
Just heard the Obama giving his pep talk to the AFL-CIO. Very disturbing. I'm now ready to tar him with the Socialist brush.
Worst president since LBJ.
"excessive profits"
What the hell are "excessive profits?" Any profit I ever earned was always too small.
Since when did you become a George Will fan? Will Bill Plaschke be next?
"Since when did you become a George Will fan? '
Obama promised to bring us together. See, it's working!
His incessant talking cannot combat what it has caused: An increasing number of Americans do not believe that he believes what he says.
That's why he should keep doing it.
I wish some hard hitting journalist (LOL - what a joke) whould actually stand up to Obama and ask him this:
Mr Obama, you have specified that you want a health insurance system that does not deny insurance for pre-existing conditions or charge any higher premiums for those who have them, that provides a laundry list of preventative services at no extra charge and that subsidizes insurance for lower income people. You also proclaim that a "public option" is needed to keep the private insurance companies honest and that government non-profit plans are more efficient and that we don't have to be worried about it being unfairly subsidized by taxpayers money. There are many people in the country who support and beleive in this.
Why don't you go ahead and set up a PRIVATE non-profit corporation based on all those principles and invite all your supporters who think this is a viable system to voluntarily join it?
Leave everyone else who does not want to join alone. No mandates on private insurance companies, no mandates to anyone to buy insurance ,no taxpayer subsidies of any kind going to the private non-profit.
Also elimiate the federal rule that requires anyone to be treated at emergency rooms whether they can pay or not an let everyone take their chances on whether providers are willing to provide charity care. That should incentivize the (overstated) free riders to buy insurance to cover themselves. Most of them are young and healthy and could get a catastrophic coverage policy based on their own indiviual risk profile far cheaper than you want to charge them for being "irresponsible" (i.e avoiding subidizing the older folks you want to force them to pay for).
Then we will see whether what you claim is a better system can really stand up and compete on it's own.
How about it Obama?
He deplores "scare tactics" but says that unless he gets his way, people will die. He praises temperate discourse but says many of his opponents are liars. He says Medicare is an exemplary program that validates government's prowess at running health systems. But he also says Medicare is unsustainable and going broke
Will my Presidential-Rhetoric induced whiplash be covered?
The above paragraph should be printed out at least 1 billion times and dropped from planes over the whole of the United States.
How about we print this on the back of all those useless $1.00 bills we are printing.
The above paragraph should be printed out at least 1 billion times and dropped from planes over the whole of the United States.
Or write it 100 times on the walls of the Roman fortress.
Caring about who makes the argument rather than the argument itself is the very essence of debate.
George Will is my favorite Republican.
Obama seems to be confusing campaigning and governing. Tactics that work in the former are no guarantee of success in the latter.
"According to the 2002 Wanless report, used by Tony Blair's government to justify a large tax hike to fund the higher spending, the NHS is late to adopt and slow to diffuse new technology. Still, NHS spending more than doubled to ?103 billion in 2009-10 from ?40 billion in 1999-2000, equivalent to an average growth rate of over 7% a year after inflation."
But socialized medicine remember is going to cut costs.
But at least it will give better care right?
The Wanless report found that of the five countries it looked at, the U.S. was the only one to be both an early adopter and rapid diffuser of new medical techniques. It is the world's principal engine driving medical advance.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203917304574412680569936844.html
Wow, George Will is a racist too?
Yes, and if you read Newsweek magazine, then you know that he has been since he was six months old.
Yes, and if you read Newsweek magazine, then you know that he has been since he was six months old.
Are they keeping the lists?
I like George Will too. I almost always learn a new word from reading each of his articles.
My president, Joe Isuzu.
No, seriously. It's spooky.
Since when did you become a George Will fan? Will Bill Plaschke be next?
I studiously avoid his writings on baseball and popular culture. Also, he's been on a serious libertarian jag for the last couple of years. For instance he was the most notable big-media type on the broad right to hammer away at John McCain's ideas on the Constitution.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
President Obama will resign by April of next year, just because he's pissed & didn't get what he wanted. He and Michelle Antoinette will take their queens-in-training daughters and move to France or to Italy, next door to George Clooney. The whole world will love him again, and he can learn to speak a foreign language, like all Americans should do.
Sure, we can believe health care costs will go way down under a public system. FORBES takes a look at Germany, where health care is largely "free": the average annual number of doctor visits per German is 7.5 vs. 3.8 in the U.S. And the average German general practioner earns half what his American counterpart earns. So, we'll add millions of patients to the system and see them visit a fairly static number of doctors nearly twice as often. Surely, no cost increases or rationing will come of this? I guess not - if we mandate all health care professionals to take a 50% pay cut and work six 12 hour days.
Matt,
Will's bloviations on baseball are just unbearable. I stopped reading him years ago. i would be curious to hear more about his alledged libertarian leanings. Will always stuck me as the kind of nerdy safe conservative who never says much or rocks the boat so liberals like to keep him around.
Welcome back, George. All is forgiven!
An increasing number of Americans do not believe that he believes what he says.
That's racism, straight up.
Obama's Never-Ending Presidential Campaign.
FIFY
Will is probably the most honest writer around. Obama can't be happy with this piece. I agree Will's love affair with baseball is creepy. I like the game, too, but I don't see how someone so smart can go so overboard on the significance of a game.
"Surely, no cost increases or rationing will come of this? I guess not - if we...."
pretend that rationing isn't a cost to the people on the receiving end of it.
That's they underlying logic of the rah rah believers in socialized medicine.
Those who had a good plan before the "reform" are forced to submit to diminished service - but we can't acknowledge that as being a cost - oh no we can't do that.
Britain's socialized scheme for dying patients. London's Daily Mail reports an audit of the pathway finds that "more than a quarter of families are not told when life support is withdrawn from terminally-ill loved ones":
Peter Millard, emeritus professor of geriatrics at the University of London, said: "The risk as this is rolled out across the country is that elderly people with chronic conditions like Parkinson's or respiratory disorders may be dismissed as dying when they could still live for some time. "
If patients tell their doctors that they wish to die at home, that shouldn't be taken as an excuse not to treat them in hospital if their condition deteriorates but they still might recover with proper care. . . . "
Discussions about the future of patients are being bypassed; the supportive nature of hospitals has gone. We are hearing complaints from all round the country. "
Governments have got rid of respite care and geriatric wards, so we're left with a crisis. The Government has said let's develop a service to help people die at home--what they should be doing is helping them live. Only when death is unavoidable should you start withdrawing treatment. "
The problem is that there isn't enough discussion between doctors and patients and their relatives. Nobody is talking to them."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213498/Report-warns-doctors-snub-families-terminally-ill-amid-growing-use-death-pathway.html
Take Back America is now a racist phrase.
"Surely, no cost increases or rationing will come of this? I guess not - if we...."
pretend that rationing isn't a cost to the people on the receiving end of it.
The appeal of socialism is that it makes everyone equally miserable. It's fairer that way.
If you weren't such a raging cockmaster dickbag assclown fuckstick cuntface, I'd probably say something about how perfectly in tune with internet intellectualism that quote is.
It's gettin' good!
The fourth installment of James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles's undercover report on ACORN is supposed to drop within the hour at BigGovernment.com and will be aired on Glenn Beck at 5:00 p.m. This time the duo took their sting operation to California, where an employee named Theresa confesses that she killed her allegedly abusive husband, and laid some "groundwork" beforehand. Beck aired portions of the video on his radio show today, and Leslie Sherman of The D.C. Writeup wrote it up:
10:54am: As the audio continues, James divulges his aspirations to run for an elected office someday. In enthusiastic response, Theresa says she speaks with Congressman and Senators every day. She names Senator Barbara Boxer and Senator McCleod, and 62nd district Assemblywoman Wilmer Amina Carter. Theresa says that "Eden's" prostitution money would be an asset to him in his quest to become a Senator or Representative.
11:01am: Regarding the legislators that she speaks with, Theresa says that they (most likely herself and their ACORN office) are lobbying these law makers in behalf of health care reform. Apparently, this "non-partisan" organization that gets government money for housing assistance is using tax dollars for health care lobbying.
11:15am: Theresa discloses that her ex-husband abused her and "beat the hell out of" her. She then continues to confess, "I killed him . . . . I shot him." She notes that she had laid some "groundwork" beforehand. When James and Hannah question her as to whether he was abusing her when she killed him, she says that he was not at that moment, but she knew he was going to, she said, "I knew it was coming."
http://www.thedcwriteup.com/2009/09/glenn-beck-airs-new-acorn-video/
OMG Sean, that is awful. Just awful. My God that is a steaming pile of crap writing.
To be fair, that wasn't actually George Will, that was Dave Barry satirizing George Will, though it is pretty damn good satire.
The fact that is it believable that it was Will's writing says it all. Will waxing poetic about the philosophical significance of Cal Ripkin is truely suicide inducing.
"The appeal of socialism is that it makes everyone equally miserable. It's fairer that way."
That is quite true.
Not long ago I caught some snippet of an interview on CSPAN of somebody who had written a healthcare book and he said that people in Canada were asked what they thought about the rationing and long waits for service, etc. going on there and the typical answer was that they didn't mind it so much as long as they knew that everybody else had to go through the same ordeal rich and poor alike.
Of course in reality the rich Canadians can take off for the good old U.S. of A. and get their service as quick as they want it.
Wow, George Will is a racist too?
Beat ya to it.
"his plan will give many employers incentives to stop providing coverage for employees."
Employers don't provide coverage, they just provide the tax benefits for it.
"If you like your health-care plan, you'll be able to keep your health-care plan, period."
Well, I for one believe him!
If you weren't such a raging cockmaster dickbag assclown fuckstick cuntface
I can accept that. I'm very comfortable with myself.
Call my name. Barry, please! Save us!
All right! I'll do it! I'll save you! I will do what I dream!
SOCIALISM!
I dare you to shut me up.
Look, Mr. Obama has a dream. A dream of public health care.
How dare you crush a man's dreams?
I finally thought up a solution that will work.
It will make libertarians happy and it will make conservatives happy.
1. Deregulate health insurance...take away all of the regulations.
2. Create a Socialized PUBLIC PLAN which is completely voluntary and libertarians/conservatives can stay out of them...if they wish. This plan will be taxed at a high rate...however, it will cover all that pay toward the tax. The usual/customary cared covered by private insurance would be the standard for this public policy. The government can hire Doctors/Hospitals from the tax revenues and employee people directly and offer clinics.
3. The People that don't want healthcare or public healthcare will NOT BE TAXED. Tax ONLY those people that selected the PUBLIC PLAN. The Libertarians/conservatives and all those other people on TV that don't want health insurance and prefer wars can keep their current insurance or choose not to have insurance at all.
4. Remove ALL restrictions from hospitals/doctors from having to treat anyone that doesn't have insurance. That is, if you don't have medicare, medicaid, the public plan, or private insurance...you cannot get any treatment....including emergency treatment.
5. Anyone who opted not to take the Socialized PUBLIC PLAN will NOT be allowed into the plan for LIFE.
Surely, no cost increases or rationing will come of this?
Don't call me Shirley.
With all these media appearences, Obama is becoming the Paris Hilton of presidents.
"With all these media appearences, Obama is becoming the Paris Hilton of presidents."
His teleprompter definitely needs a vacation.
Why A Strong Public Option Is Essential - By jacksmith - Working Class
Robert Reich explains the pubic option: http://bit.ly/dDYSJ http://robertreich.blogspot.com/
John Garamendi on the Public Option and the Grassroots: http://bit.ly/TJMty
It's not just because more than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 77% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (86% of democrats, 75% of independents, and 72% republicans). Basically everyone.
It's not just because according to a new AARP POLL: 86 percent of seniors want universal healthcare security for All, including 93% of Democrats, 87% of Independents, and 78% of Republicans. With 79% of seniors supporting creating a new strong Government-run public option plan, available immediately. Including 89% of Democrats, 80% of Independents, and 61% of Republicans, STUNNING!!
It's not just because it will lower cost. Because a strong public option will dramatically lower cost for everyone. And dramatically improved the quality of care everyone receives in America and around the World. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.
It's not just because it will save trillions of dollars and prevent the needless deaths of millions more of YOU, caused by a rush to profit by the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!
It's not just because every expert in every field, including economist, and Nobel laureates all agree that free market based healthcare systems don't work. Never have and never will. The US has the only truly free market based healthcare system in the World. And as you all know now, IT IS A DISASTER!
It's not just because providing or denying medically necessary care for profit motivations is wrong. Because it is WRONG! It's professionally, ethically, and morally REPUGNANT!, Animalistic, VILE and EVIL.
THE REASON THE PUBLIC OPTION IS ESSENTIAL:
The public option is ESSENTIAL because over 200 million of you are trapped in the forest of the wolves. Which is the forest of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! With no way out except through needless inhumane suffering, and DEATH. While the wolves tear at your flesh, and rip you limb from lib. Then feast on your lifeless bodies like a dead carcase for transplant parts.
At the most vulnerable times of your lives (when you were sick and hurting), millions of you have had to fight and loose cruel, but heroic battles. Fighting against the big guns of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! in the forest of the wolves. All because you have no place else to go. You have no other CHOICE!
But the PUBLIC OPTION will give you someplace safe to go. And it will give us someplace safe to take you. The public option will be your refugium (your refuge). Where the wolves cannot get at you when your down, hurting, and vulnerable. Where everyone who needs it can find rest, security, comfort and the care they need. Protected by the BIG GUNS of We The People Of The United States. THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ON EARTH.
This is why it is so critical that we do not lead another 50 million vulnerable, uninsured Americans into the forest of the wolves, without the protections of a Strong Government-run public option. We The People Of The United States MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN to any more of our fellow Americans. If healthcare reform does not contain a strong public option on day one. YOU MUST! KILL IT. Or you will do far more harm than good. And millions more will die needlessly. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.
To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time...is...UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No Co-op's! No Triggers! NO INDIVIDUAL MANDATES! without a Strong public option on day one.
Healthcare reform can be the GREATEST! Accomplishment of our time and century. A time when future generations may say of us, that we were all, AMERICAS GREATEST GENERATIONS.
BUT WE MUST ACT!
I therefore call on all my fellow Americans and the peoples of the World. To join us in this fight so that we may finish becoming the better America that we aspire to be for everyone.
SPREAD THE WORD!
I have been privileged to be witness as many of you fought, and struggled to take your first breath, and your last breath on this earth. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Life is precious.
Whatever the cost. WE! MUST SUCCEED.
God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings
jacksmith - Working Class
No Triggers! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-rosenbaum/a-trigger-for-the-public_b_277910.html
Triggers http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/weve-seen-these-triggers_b_283583.html
Krugman on heathcare (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/)
Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)
It's not just because every expert in every field, including economist, and Nobel laureates all agree that free market based healthcare systems don't work.
Wow, every expert in every field? Like metallurgists and petroleum engineers and cartographers?
Any post that links to Krugman and Bernie Sanders one right after the other is a real winner.
If you weren't such a raging cockmaster dickbag assclown fuckstick cuntface
I resent that! I don't rage at all!
A wittier SugarFree
No such thing, choadgobbler.
Wow, so 80% of Amercans want someone else to pay their medical bills.
Too bad for them that there isn't someone else to do it.