Reason.tv: Live from the Sept. 12 Taxpayer March on Washington

Are the Tea Party protesters a small group of radical freakazoids or a large crew of taxpaying regular joes who are fed up with government spending, Democrats and Republicans, and business as usual?

Reason.tv fanned out through the crowd and the backstage of the September 12 Taxpayer March on Washington, the controversial anti-government protest that drew somewhere between 75,000 and 1 million people, according to press reports.

We talked with folks from all over the country and snagged interviews with speakers and media including Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), CNN's Jeff Greenfield, actor Steven Baldwin, Freedom Works' Matt Kibbe, and many more.

What we found was a group of people united in their calls for less government spending and their disgust at the Republican and Democratic pols who made it all happen.

Interviews by Nick Gillespie, Matt Welch, and Michael C. Moynihan. Shot and edited by Dan Hayes nd Meredith Bragg. Approximately 6 minutes.

For more Reason coverage of the protest, go to Reason.com.

Comments

[The Angry Optimist]

You guys photoshopped the black people in, didn't you? MNG would never lie to me.

[Citizen Nothing]

I don't consider myself a nutjob, but I'll cop to being an out-of-control radical.

[kilroy]

Are the teabaggers a small group of radical freakazoids or a crew of taxpaying regular joes who are fed up with government spending, Democrats and Republicans, and business as usual?

C'mon Gillespie, don't be a dick if you can help it.

[Citizen Nothing]

C'mon, kilroy. Don't be a humorless prig if you can help it.

[jorgen]

how representative were the folks you guys interviewed? You guys certainly let some unflattering signs get into the camera, like that "his dream is our nightmare" sign with Martin Luther King Jr, but do you think you were drawn toward the folks who looked more agreeable when you were interviewing?

[Mike M.]

I'm proud of the fact that Capitol Hill and the Mall were as spotless after everyone went home as they were before everyone arrived.

Contrast that with the typical "Earth Day" celebration or left wing protest where places usually get trashed in the process.

[Partisan Ranger]

Are the Tea Party protesters a small group of radical freakazoids or a large crew of taxpaying regular joes who are fed up with government spending, Democrats and Republicans, and business as usual?

Oh, most holy of Confirmation Biases, please instruct this poor and undeserving creature on what to think.

[T]

how representative were the folks you guys interviewed?

That was quick. Usually the complainers take longer to get here. Anyhow, what evidence do you have the interviewees are not representative?

[Cabeza de Vaca]

"a crew of taxpaying regular joes"

Nick, It's not very nice to compare the protestors to joe.

[Ska]

At least they were regular joes. Imagine it was an IBS joe...

[radical]

jorgen, not to call you a fucking moron or anything, but you might want to re-read the sign you are asking about.
it said HE had a dream (MLK Jr), we got a nightmare (barry)

[Jaosn WOods]

Wow, thats some pretty cool stuff dude!

RT
http://www.privacy-web.pl.tc

[not the real jb]

+1 radical

[Alex]

Good Job

[Sean W. Malone]

I was actually going to comment on Reason's generally even-handedness of this thing - especially given that most of these things get covered by reporters who are completely hostile.

[Russ 2000]

actor Steven Baldwin

Now there's no way in hell I'll watch the thing.

[Kevin]

Obviously you edited out the violence and brown shirt-ish activity that would surely have occurred with such a large gathering of gun-toting racists.

[Really?]

At 1:47 and 3:32, was that Stephen Baldwin? Or a Baldwin?

[shecky]

The more I see of these people, the more I call bullshit on the lot of 'em. "Throw the bums out" sentiment is meaningless. Why did they have to wait until the Beck directive start getting angry? I'll bet 90% of those assholes voted for the GOP in the past, and still will, only this time pushing more Wilsons, Bachmanns and Palins.

Nothing would make me happier to be proven wrong. But I'll bet that I'm not.

[T]

Obviously you edited out the violence and brown shirt-ish activity that would surely have occurred with such a large gathering of gun-toting racists.

Yes, but guns are de facto still illegal in DC, so none of the protesters could be carrying guns. Thus was violence prevented and the public order maintained. See? The foot-dragging on complying with Heller averted disaster! Why, Cathy Lanier deserves a medal for her magnificent performance!

[oh no not this again]

You guys could have photoshoped the portable toilets in. How did they keep those streets clean? FYI, those republicans that have honestly had their wake up moment are probably Paul supporters, the rest are only their until the next republican is elected, but keep that hope going, its done so well for us in the past.

[Brown Shirt]

Ze ledermantel vas there but he did not interview me!!!

[Nick]

Maybe the post-party cleanliness of the event is because non-lefties don't expect people to do shit for them so they do it themselves. Lefty protests are probably full of people who think "it's the government's job" or "if I pick up after myself that's a union job down the drain."

[The Angry Optimist]

Why did they have to wait until the Beck directive start getting angry?

Why does it matter?

[SugarFree]

After 9/12, we are all Baldwins now.

[JB]

jorgen, hahaha! No surprise that U of Chicago fools can't even read.

[Citizen Nothing]

After the Canadians bombed them, the Baldwins said "fuck no" to Canadian-style health care.

[JB]

shecky, people get to a point and can take no more. Bush was bad enough but Obama the Tard is so much worse.

After Obama promising to be better than Bush, people have had it. Enough is enough.

[!]

This couldn't be a real protest by thousands. There aren't any pictures praising Mao or Che.
[/sarcasm]

[shecky]

Echoing Sean Malone, kudos to Reason for making a very even handed report. Which convinved me that they're full of shit.

Why does it matter?

Why does it matter that these clowns sat on their hands when they could have really made a difference? I guess it covered by that saying about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. It's mostly too late now to do anything about it. All we can do now is bend over and take it in the ass, the way we decided to well before last November. Voters all made this mess, we all are going to have to endure the pain.

[django]

And where may I ask were the gigantic puppets?pffffft, amateurs.

[!]

And where may I ask were the gigantic puppets?pffffft, amateurs.

And the clowns. Where were the clown suits?

[Mike M.]

Why did they have to wait until the Beck directive start getting angry? I'll bet 90% of those assholes voted for the GOP in the past, and still will, only this time pushing more Wilsons, Bachmanns and Palins.

Quit making Beck out to be some sort of omnipotent deity. I don't need a "directive" from anyone to decide what to do or think. I started getting angry when the TARP bailout was passed by Bush and mostly democrats in Congress, and only got more pissed off with the stimulus package and the illegal car company takeover.

And I would love to hear a realistic alternative for how to try and limit this government in the near term future going forward. Don't waste my time by talking about the past and things that we have no control over. Maybe more libertarians should try establishing grass roots support and running for Congressional seats and other lower offices?

[SugarFree]

Or the PETA girls in Lettuce Bikinis?

[WWJGD]

Anyone able to find any photos of the post rally trash mess? I'm curious to compare the effects of the 9/12 rally with other events.

[Alec Baldwin]

There you go, there you go. Eat up, Stephen, you're the weakest.

[shrike]

Since their first three objections about healthcare overhaul are the fictitious:

1) Mandatory abortions
2) Death panels for Grandma
3) Obligatory illegal alien care

I'd say its just your typical uninformed T-bagging redneck crowd.

Best sign of the day - "I shaved my balls for THESE guys?"....

[!]

Or the PETA girls in Lettuce Bikinis?

Or lesbians in wifebeater shirts competing for hariest armpit status?

[WWJGD]

Best sign of the day - "I shaved my balls for THESE guys?"....

Wow, that's incredibly original. I truly have never seen that protest sign before. I think someone should put that photo on the internet. It would be most fresh and unique.

[The Angry Optimist]

Why does it matter that these clowns sat on their hands when they could have really made a difference? I guess it covered by that saying about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. It's mostly too late now to do anything about it. All we can do now is bend over and take it in the ass, the way we decided to well before last November. Voters all made this mess, we all are going to have to endure the pain.

That's...retarded.

So, any little bit of good that could be done here is better offset by your crying over spilt milk?

Something tells me that you didn't really want them to make the difference when it "could have" (as unscientific and as unprovable as that assertion of yours is) made a difference, because you're bitching about anyone making a difference now.

Should the U.S. stop looking for OBL just because we may have lost him at Tora Bora?

[Art-P.O.G.]

Very nice video. I'd be happy to have expressed myself as well as any of those people (maybe with 1 exception* :D).

*I'm talking about the "get rid of Obama and his czars" guy. I could picture him just being a lion-towing republican, although it was too short a clip to draw any conclusions.

[Sotiredofitall]

It's a start, but can the crowd remain focused for more than a week or two. Will the next election cycle have the sheeple prevail with the same parasites being reelected? Remember the GOP is now run by a radio hack and a failed governor. And the DEMs are run by an elitist egomanical plutocrats.

[Joe M]

1) Mandatory abortions
2) Death panels for Grandma
3) Obligatory illegal alien care

Haha, nice trolling.

[Kevin]

I didn't see any American Flags or Obama effigies being burned, either.

[aelhues]

1) Mandatory funding for abortions
2) EoL counseling with Doctors pressured to cut costs
3) Unverified citizenship care

Fixed it for ya, without the spin.

[hurlybuehrle]

Well, we can be thankful that we have a President who makes decisions based on his convictions, rather than letting opinion polls make his decisions. You know, kind of like that guy who was President in early 2003.

[alex]

"75,000 and 1 million people, according to press reports."

Hmm, I'd say it looks more like 3500 +/- looking at the video post here of the event.

[MNG]

"You guys photoshopped the black people in, didn't you? MNG would never lie to me."

Pathetic. I never said there are no black libertarians, just that there are very few. TAO, would you care to argue that the % of libertarians that is black is anywhere close to the % of the US population that is black? Didn't think so! But this is all moot, I'm curious as to how you noticed there were black people in the vid, I thought you didn't see race?

[R C Dean]

Anyone able to find any photos of the post rally trash mess? I'm curious to compare the effects of the 9/12 rally with other events.

Side-by-side with inauguration.

[Howarad Johnson]

"I guess it covered by that saying about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. It's mostly too late now to do anything about it. All we can do now is bend over and take it in the ass, the way we decided to well before last November"

Or you could stop whining like a bitch and go look for the horse.

[MNG]

No one here thinks it is a little sad that the government can lock up hundreds of thousands of people for consensual sale of plants (drugs) and no big deal, but if it talks about taking a bit of money from people to help out the sick and poor it's mass protests and anger?

"Locking up black people? Well, OK. Helping black people get medical treatment, FUCK THAT! PROTEST!"

[R C Dean]

Since their first three objections about healthcare overhaul are the fictitious:

1) Mandatory abortions
2) Death panels for Grandma
3) Obligatory illegal alien care

Mandatory abortions - of course not.

Obligatory care for illegals? Already got it. Google EMTALA if you're interested. Obama, of course, will extend benefits to some illegals. Anyone who can fake an I-9 check, they can sure fake whatever test the IRS will have for health care benefit eligibility.

Death panels? Of course. They won't rule case-by-case, but they will certainly "allocate resources" for the most "cost-effective" care. Potayto - Potahto.

[R C Dean]

No one here thinks it is a little sad that the government can lock up hundreds of thousands of people for consensual sale of plants (drugs) and no big deal, but if it talks about taking a bit of money from people to help out the sick and poor it's mass protests and anger?

We think its very sad that there aren't these kind of mass protests against the WOD, MNG. Just because there aren't is no reason to discount mass protests against this unconstitutional expansion of government, though.

[Anvilwyrm]

The healthcare changes discussed are a little bit of money to you? I want your bank account!

I didn't realize it only effected black people. Now I have no issues with it!

[Art-P.O.G.]

MNG,

I just hope more people can see the trees for the forest.

[MNG]

Wouldn't private insurance companies have to have something like what death panels seem to be understood as, that is something like a policy that certain end of life care is just a foolish allocation of resources and therefore it will not be covered? Is the beef with a government bureaucrat making that decision rather than a corporate bureaucrat?

[Art-P.O.G.]

And vice versa, of course, but you see my point. Maybe I should become an activist, even if it means I gotta throw in with those hippies.

[MNG]

In classical economic theory any private insurer that did not refuse to cover such allocations would lose customers and premiums to one that would (because the coverage would be less efficient, and therefore less beneficial, to the overall pool of persons covered). In fact, one would think the market would tend to push the line here ever towards efficiency, which likely would mean more and more denial of end of life care...

[MNG]

The problem with being an activist is all that walking and standing around. Fuck that looks boring!

[MNG]

RC
I'm not disagreeing with you so muchh as lamenting that it took a bit of self-interest and old fashioned xenophobism to get folks riled up.

[ReaganTMan]

I did an in depth crowd study on Saturday. Yup, the fringe extremist element was there for sure. There were doctors, lawyers, teachers, professionals, blue collars, fire fighters, writers, talk show hosts and business owners there. What made it even more incriminating was the fact that there were also senior citizens, children and babies at the rally.

I saw families and religious groups there as well.

These people used to be considered mainstream or middle America once. During the Reagan years, these people were considered the backbone of our country.

Today they are fringe extremists.

Like I told my friends WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE in the early 80's. We are now the freaks.

So, yes, from that vantage point, these folks were fringe extremists.

[aelhues]

In the free market, I have the opportunity to choose to pay for a certain level of insurance, including or not, all manor of crazy options. Well, that is if government wasn't already meddling way more than they should be. If it's government run, it's no longer up to me, but the representatives of the collective.

Sorry, but I want to make my own choices, thank you!

[Enough About Palin]

"Wouldn't private insurance companies have to have something like what death panels seem to be understood as, that is something like a policy that certain end of life care is just a foolish allocation of resources and therefore it will not be covered? Is the beef with a government bureaucrat making that decision rather than a corporate bureaucrat?"

I wonder what percentage of GDP health care consumed in 1850?

Man up and die, MNG. Man up and die.

[sage]

Wow, ReaganTman, you're lucky to have made it out alive!

[MNG]

"I wonder what percentage of GDP health care consumed in 1850?"

Yeah, and what was the avg. life expectancy back then? Because the role of health care back then at that level of technology is the same as now!

Jeez, you're retarded (that's covered under Obama's plan btw)

[MNG]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html

It was half it is now...Nope, no value added to that field!

Now EAP, since you are so mistaken on such a basic thing to this debate, maybe consider your other positions are just as shaky?

[MNG]

alheus
That's a good point, but would you get private insurers that would cater to end of life care? It seems like it would be just as foolish for any private insurer to do so as it would for a government provider for the same reason.

[T]

The problem with being an activist is all that walking and standing around. Fuck that looks boring!

You've figured out one of the secrets to our political process. Tolerance for extreme boredom increases your fitness for office.

[Anvilwyrm]

One thing I have not heard much: If your insurer denies you coverage you can sue, or appeal to the agencies which regulate them.

If the government says no, you have no place to turn, and suing is essentially a non-option.

[MNG]

"Anvilwyrm
I don't know about that, people sue the government to make the government administer all kinds of benefits in certain ways.

[MNG]

"or appeal to the agencies which regulate them."

Thank God for those government agencies, eh?

[Invisible Finger]

Why does it matter that these clowns sat on their hands when they could have really made a difference?

You're just jealous because you sat on your hands until the Obama directive and you haven't made a fucking difference.

[Invisible Finger]

I'm not disagreeing with you so muchh as lamenting that it took a bit of self-interest and old fashioned xenophobism to get folks riled up.

Except that the old fashioned xenophobism is a figment of your imagination.

[SugarFree]

I only hate Obama's white half.

[Tony]

Why did they have to wait until the Beck directive start getting angry?

Why does it matter?

Because it creates the appearance that what the protesters really care about isn't big government spending or whatever (I'm still not clear on what their specific complaints and goals are), but something else entirely.

[sage]

Shut your neck, Tony.

[sage]

people sue the government to make the government administer all kinds of benefits in certain ways.

I thought you couldn't sue the government without their permission.

[T]

I only hate Obama's white half.

Because you lust for the other half? The conflict shows more and more every day, SF.

[creech]

The local Tea Party steering committee is two long time libertarian activists and three newbies. All the newbies admit they were wrong not to raise hell when Bush got this latest ball rolling. All the newbies admit they were like frogs in the boiling water: GOP small incrementalism didn't get their juices going, but the huge Obama oversteps made them wake up. Let's hope everyone doesn't go back to sleep when the Pawlenty/Palin ticket gets elected.

[Isaac Bartram]

I thought you couldn't sue the government without their permission.

Actually if you look at how the Social Security disability benefit system works you'd know that people sue the government all the time.

The number of claimants that have to sue to get their benefits is staggering.

Between the fraudulent claims that are approved and the legitimate ones that are denied the whole place is a royal clusterfuck.

Just think, advocates of a single payer system are advocating turning over deciding to approve your medical treatment to the same good folks.

[SugarFree]

Noooo!

[Enough About Palin]

"It was half it is now...Nope, no value added to that field!

Now EAP, since you are so mistaken on such a basic thing to this debate, maybe consider your other positions are just as shaky?"

No. My position is that instead of being selfish, spending tens of thousands of dollars paid for by money confiscated by government via the threat of a gun, people should just man up and die.

Doesn't cost the taxpayer a thing, but then even at that price, pinko commies like you are simply unwilling to die for their country.

Why do you hate America, MNG?

[Enough About Palin]

"I don't know about that, people sue the government to make the government administer all kinds of benefits in certain ways."

And how long will it take before the issue is settled? 5 years? Longer? Your odds are better in Canada.

[Nick]

MNG, insurance companies have a reputational incentive to continue their coverage when people get sick, including and especially as their health deteriorates. That incentive is weakened by governments in our current climate who set the situation to where there are few insurance carriers in a state or region within a state. If you only have two options they can effectively collude without evening speaking to one another, but if you have 30 options, that chance diminishes greatly as the first company starts to drop people just because they don't want to provide what they are paid to provide.

one would think the market would tend to push the line here ever towards efficiency, which likely would mean more and more denial of end of life care...

Of course a carrier wants to be efficient, but having healthy people leave the plan for fear of being dropped isn't a good way to do that. Insurance is a promise to pay for covered services in exchange for premium. If customers don't expect the insurer to keep their promise, they will not be willing to pay the premium. (The profits come from investing the money before it is returned for covered services. It is not typical for insurers to make a profit by denial of claims.)

Where the government has a legitimate role is to force the contract to be honored, settle disputes, and to prevent force and fraud by insurance carriers, medical providers, and consumers. If they just did those things and let the market sort out the rest, coverage would be much less expensive and therefore more affordable to folks who make too much money to qualify for Medicaid.

[Sean W. Malone]

"foolish for any private insurer to do so as it would for a government provider for the same reason."

No MNG, it wouldn't be foolish, because it's a response (or not) to their customers' demand for various services.

I have a feeling most of us would pay a bit more for guarantees of end-of-life treatment as we choose, rather than some one-size-fits-all option the political class would likely impose.

The ideas informing your assumption that insurers have every reason to cut services and no incentive to provide any is based on the same shit as Obama exposition of his gross economic ignorance the other night when he said that lifetime payout caps were "Arbitrary".

None of this stuff is arbitrary. Insurers have costs & limited resources just like the rest of us, and outside of fraud (which should be policed - both in consumers & providers) - they can only payout as much as people contract for & pay in. Whether the lifetime cap is $3,000,000 or $10,000,000 or $100,000,000, those figures are going to reflect what individual customers are willing to pay in and for how long. As a result, if you get extremely sick or if you want to prolong your life til you're 100 years old... Then maybe you'll need to pay in more.

And there are consequences to reneging on these contracts. For one, lawsuits. For two, loss of customers. It's like most people talking about this stuff only see one side (funny how akin that is to the Marxist view of economics) - Insurers have incentives to drop your coverage all the time! Except... Those are weighed against the arguably much greater incentive of actually having customers at the end of the day.

And again, I get relatively tired of hearing people make this strange equivalency to private markets & government bureaus. Starting with the disclaimer that the U.S. insurance market is hardly what any half-thinking person might call "free", or is anything but a corporatist Public-Private Partnership that politicians don't like labeling that way.

That disclaimer aside, there is literally no equivalency to a private insurer even as they are now, who's services I sign up for by my own choice, with a contract selected by me (even if it is just one of a limited number of offered options) that fits my current needs & assumed future risk-factors, and which I can leave if I want - and a government bureau which is paid for by force whether I want to involve myself in it or not, whether or not it suits my individual needs and which will ultimately prevent me from acquiring an alternative... And yes, that is inevitable, because either they will pass laws making such alternatives illegal, or like public education - the taxation that is imposed to pay for the public system will be so great that I could not afford a private alternative on top of the one I'm already forced to fund. At that point, then things turn into exactly what happened to Europe: "Everyone" gets rationed, mediocre care, extremely high taxes, and struggles to find a job - and the rich still manage to get private care that they don't have to wait for and serves their individual needs. Thus far, I'm seeing this whole thing as yet another way to increase the gap between rich & poor, or even the rich & the middle class.

So yeah - Private vs. Government run things are much, much different. Annoyingly, it's the difference between voluntary and involuntary. And that is a damn huge difference indeed.

[Sean W. Malone]

Stop being a troll EAP.

[You Lie!]

"Stop being a troll EAP."

I'm telling you exactly what I believe. A position I have consistently stated several times over the past few months. People in this country simply need to realize that taxing Peter to pay for Paul's knee operation is theft. Period. I pay for my heath care. Paul should do the same.

Just because you don't agree with my position doesn't make it a troll job.

There are diverse views on end-of-life issues the world over. Not everyone believe one should bankrupt one's fellow citizens in order to throw up blood and drop shit in a colostomy bag for a few extra weeks. In many cultures (e.g., Lakota pre-western influence) simply wandered off and died. Same goes for the bushman in S. Africa).

Some people actually put the welfare of others first.

[Enough About Palin]

"I have a feeling most of us would pay a bit more for guarantees of end-of-life treatment as we choose, rather than some one-size-fits-all option the political class would likely impose."

All I want is a case of Laudanum and a ride to the edge of the bayou.

BTW "You Lie" be me.

[Sean W. Malone]

"Just because you don't agree with my position doesn't make it a troll job."

I do essentially agree with your (above stated) position. What I disagree with, is not debating the point and instead saying "Man up & die!"

The appropriate statement is "Man up and pay for your own life." If you want people to stop being leeches, that's fine, but death isn't the alternative, and it just confuses the issue and makes people like you look like assholes.

[Enough About Palin]

I appreciate your input, Mr. Malone.

"but death isn't the alternative"

I would contend that more often than not it is the choice people should be making.

[Sean W. Malone]

On what grounds?

Is death preferable to some added credit card debt? A 2nd mortgage? Is it preferable to the hours it takes hitting family & friends, churches, community groups & charities for money to help you out? Is it preferable to under-consuming diligently for years, saving money and investing in a separate account for health care or contributing higher monthly premiums to better - more encompassing insurance?

There are dozens of ways... possibly hundreds of ways to pay for end-of-life medical treatment. There's no reason to simply accept death as the only alternative.

And obviously, what you're willing to do - aside from stealing from, enslaving or harming others to get what you want - is a complex balance of personal (and highly subjective) ordinal value rankings. I can't say what health care is best for you when you're 95 years old any more than you could tell me what color shirt I want to wear tomorrow.

So no, I say it's not "man up and die", but man up and take responsibility for your own life. I flat out don't think most people "should" be making any particular choice other than the one that seems right to them. Beyond being responsible for your own choices, how to fund them, and accepting the consequences of them - what you choose specifically is none of my concern.

[The US Shirt Czar]

"I can't say what health care is best for you when you're 95 years old any more than you could tell me what color shirt I want to wear tomorrow."

Red. You will want to wear a red shirt tomorrow.

That is all.

[emjem1963]

Here's some footage I took as we walked from 9th Street down to 3rd Street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XETW11LWEIQ

The speakers you hear in the background place the video around 2:30 - 3:00 PM. There is no Tea Party crowd until you hit 3rd Street.

Still photos here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emjem1963

[Davebo]

Mike M wrote

Quit making Beck out to be some sort of omnipotent deity. I don't need a "directive" from anyone to decide what to do or think. I started getting angry when the TARP bailout was passed by Bush and mostly democrats in Congress, and only got more pissed off with the stimulus package and the illegal car company takeover.

Yes, because having Republicans vote more than 2 to 1 for passage in the senate (33 yea to 15 ney) was obviously just a statistical anomaly.

[Matt]

John Stewart had a great bit on Fox's coverage of this event. He contrasted it with their coverage of an antiwar event several years ago, showing their flagrant bias and hypocrisy. Fox portrayed the antiwar protesters as crazy extremists having a temper tantrum, while the teabaggers were portrayed as heros and patriots. The photos shown were also proven to be fake..they were from at least 5 years ago.

[Dang]

Holy carp!

What a bunch of dimbulbs. "Tyranny"? Good grief.

"He`s taking away our freedom" (by giving us more choice and a better deal for our dollars)! Seriously, what rock did some of these folks come out from under?

NOBODY but the lowest common denominator want them to stop spending the money now! Not when we know the stimulus kept the recession from becoming a depression. Now when the recovery is this fragile.

Well, I take that back. Osama bin Ladin wants us to stop the economic stimulus.

Look at 1938, the only year in the New Deal that unemployment went up and GDP went down. That was the year that FDR foolishly listened to the tight-money Conservatives and cut off the stimulus. It took the nation three years to recover from that huge mistake. Why would anybody want to make things worse? Don`t these people like America?

[Jake Williams]

What special in talking with folks from all over the country and snagged interviews with speakers and media. I think that result the same nothing will be changed

[FlyoverThis]

The Sleeping Giant of Conservatism has awoken.
Don't let him step on you and grind you out on his way to smite the Communists and Liberals who are trying to remake the USA.

[Jason]

Where were these people in 2006 when Bush's spending officially increased to 5 times larger than Clintons, or in 2008 when Bush announced a 3 trillion dollar spending plan?

Watching NASCAR, and campaigning for John McCain I presume.

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