A Solution to the Free Rider Problem—Mind Reading
Caltech neuroeconomists have found a solution to the free rider problem -- scan people's brains and tax them accordingly. A free rider is someone who uses a public good or benefit but who does not pay anything towards its cost. As the Caltech press release on the study explains:
Examples of public goods range from healthcare, education, and national defense to the weight room or heated pool that your condominium board decides to purchase. But how does the government or your condo board decide which public goods to spend its limited resources on? And how do these powers decide the best way to share the costs?
"In order to make the decision optimally and fairly," says [Antonio] Rangel, [Caltech associate professor of economics], "a group needs to know how much everybody is willing to pay for the public good. This information is needed to know if the public good should be purchased and, in an ideal arrangement, how to split the costs in a fair way."
In such an ideal arrangement, someone who swims every day should be willing to pay more for a pool than someone who hardly ever swims. Likewise, someone who has kids in public school should have more of her taxes put toward education.
But providing public goods optimally and fairly is difficult, Rangel notes, because the group leadership doesn't have the necessary information. And when people are asked how much they value a particular public good—with that value measured in terms of how many of their own tax dollars, for instance, they'd be willing to put into it—their tendency is to lowball.
Of course in the real world, it doesn't often work out that way. So what to do? In this case, the Caltech researchers stuck various subject inside an fMRI brain scanning machine to see how much different individuals actually valued a public good. The researchers …
… set up a classic economic experiment, in which subjects would be rewarded (paid) based on the values they were assigned for an abstract public good.
As part of this experiment, volunteers were divided up into groups. "The entire group had to decide whether or not to spend their money purchasing a good from us," Rangel explains. "The good would cost a fixed amount of money to the group, but everybody would have a different benefit from it."
The subjects were asked to reveal how much they valued the good. The twist? Their brains were being imaged via fMRI as they made their decision. If there was a match between their decision and the value detected by the fMRI, they paid a lower tax than if there was a mismatch. It was, therefore, in all subjects' best interest to reveal how they truly valued a good; by doing so, they would on average pay a lower tax than if they lied.
"The rules of the experiment are such that if you tell the truth," notes Krajbich, who is the first author on the Science paper, "your expected tax will never exceed your benefit from the good."
In fact, the more cooperative subjects are when undergoing this entirely voluntary scanning procedure, "the more accurate the signal is," Krajbich says. "And that means the less likely they are to pay an inappropriate tax."
This changes the whole free-rider scenario, notes Rangel. "Now, given what we can do with the fMRI," he says, "everybody's best strategy in assigning value to a public good is to tell the truth, regardless of what you think everyone else in the group is doing."
And tell the truth they did—98 percent of the time, once the rules of the game had been established and participants realized what would happen if they lied. In this experiment, there is no free ride, and thus no free-rider problem.
"If I know something about your values, I can give you an incentive to be truthful by penalizing you when I think you are lying," says Rangel.
And what about the future?
… Rangel says, it is possible to imagine a future in which, instead of a vote on a proposition to fund a new highway, this technology is used to scan a random sample of the people who would benefit from the highway to see whether it's really worth the investment. "It would be an interesting alternative way to decide where to spend the government's money," he notes.
Free rider problems are pervade public policy, e.g., the Golden State's recent fiscal meltdown. As New York Times columnist David Brooks recently quipped:
Californians have voted to tax themselves like libertarians and subsidize themselves like socialists.
Hmmm. Could mass brain scanning have saved California?
Whole press release here.
Item via io9 and a hat tip to SugarFree.
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"""In such an ideal arrangement, someone who swims every day should be willing to pay more for a pool than someone who hardly ever swims.""
Here's a low tech solution, admission fee. No brain scan needed for that.
That works for a swimming pool, but it doesn't work for health care, which we, as a society, have decided people have a right to.
Oooo ooo ooo - I got this one:
BULLSHIT!!
Wow. One out of five claimed public goods is actually a public good. I suppose that's a higher percentage than most press releases that discuss such matters.
So if someone's brain "says" they want something, but the person *actually says* they don't - who do you believe? The person, or their brain?
The collectivists would never go for something like this. They think that people who don't have to use "public goods" should be nonetheless forced to pay for them, e.g. childless people have to pay for gooberment schools.
This is easier than user fees how exactly?
Brain Scanning...
Big Brother 21st century edition?
TrickyVic and MikeP: I love you guys. Seriously.
Yeaaaaaah that'll work. Or how about this. We do away with "public goods" and let everybody buy their own stuff.
Oh TrickyVic, you and your insane libertarian ideas!
MikeP,
I wonder which of those 5 you identify as the public good.
Just curious. I see some that are clearly not, and more than one that are debatable.
National defense.
There is a small and inexpensive part of health care that is a public good. Health care as a whole certainly isn't.
And I will put my support behind the "user fees" as the best way to deal with this.
But, of course, defining users gets tricky for some "public goods."
MikeP,
That's what I guessed.
I think you are using a more restricted sense of the term than the article intends.
@Neu Mejican
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_good
Team America,
O.K.
NM,
The article is wrong, then.
I think you are using a more restricted sense of the term than the article intends.
Yes, but the two meanings get conflated in common parlance to the detriment of the welfare of humanity as a whole.
The economist says, "Public goods represent a market failure and are an arena where government can produce a better outcome than private markets."
The policy maker says, "Public goods are things paid for by the government and economists tell us they are an arena where government can produce a better outcome than private markets."
And so I take every opportunity to fight the second meaning of the word. It is truly the root of much evil.
robc,
You would need to elaborate that for me.
Given that club goods are a subset of public goods I would be interested in your conclusion that treating them as public goods to illustrate the concepts used in the experiment was "wrong."
MikeP,
Fair enough.
As an aside on the technical aspects, would this trick work on a sociopath? If you can lie without your brain matching the MRI's definition of a lie, you could jack the system in all kinds of interesting ways.
Plus, I can see a significant subset of the population (i.e. everybody here) refusing to allow the brain scan. Absent some coercive mechanism, it's an interesting technical parlor trick but absolutely worthless in the real world.
"Californians have voted to tax themselves like libertarians and subsidize themselves like socialists."
California has some of the highest tax rates in the country. David Brooks really is retarded
"""Oh TrickyVic, you and your insane libertarian ideas!"""
Yeah, I'm pushing the envelope with ideas like that. 😉
I'm unclear on exactly how they determine from the MRI that you are lying or telling the truth.
"Question is vague. You don't say what kind of candy and whether anyone is watching. In any case, I certainly wouldn't harm the child."
"BEEEEEEEP"
Given that club goods are a subset of public goods
I don't see how that is, unless the definition of public good has changed since I took Econ. A public good is usually defined as a good that is non-rivalrous and non-excludable. A club good in the wikipedia cite given is defined as non-rivalrous and excludable. Unless public good really means non-rivalrous only, I don't see how a club good is a subset of a public good.
John:
California has some of the highest tax rates in the country.
But only on the "rich."
"Caltech neuroeconomists have found a solution to the free rider problem -- scan people's brains and tax them accordingly"
Or maybe we could just start making the 40%$ of the population who don't pay any federal income taxes start paying some.
No brain scans needed.
"""As an aside on the technical aspects, would this trick work on a sociopath? """
If so, Congress would never permit it, since they wouldn't want it used against them.
I did see a show that was talking about using a similar technology using a laser beam to scan thought. They were talking about being about to deploy such devices at airports in less than 10 years. It was kinda scary.
Tinfoil hats for everyone.
NM,
Club goods ARENT a subset of public goods.
The sometimes mentioned in the article is the group of people that are sometimes wrong.
NM,
Or, to put it better, charts >>>>> words.
"""I'm unclear on exactly how they determine from the MRI that you are lying or telling the truth."""
They say different parts of your brain will light up depending on familiarity.
So lets say you are asked if you have a bomb. If you do, you remember placing it on your person, bag and the familiar part of the brain will light up. If you are unfamiliar with a bomb, ie, don't have one. A different area of the brain lights up.
That's what they were talking about on the show I saw. And they were talking about doing it from a distance with an invisable beam of light.
Brainscans and Tax Attitudes: How Do They Relate?
How well do we use our freedom to choose the illusions we create?
How well do we use our freedom to choose the illusions we create?
Having seen (or at least read) the illusions you create, I'm using my freedom of choice on something else.
In such an ideal arrangement, someone who swims every day should be willing to pay more for a pool than someone who hardly ever swims. Likewise, someone who has kids in public school should have more of her taxes put toward education.
Or maybe an entrepreneur could build the swimming pool and charge admission, and build the school and charge tuition. Then no one would be forced to pay for something they don't use, or forced to overpay for something they do.
In order to make the decision optimally and fairly," says [Antonio] Rangel, [Caltech associate professor of economics], "a group needs to know how much everybody is willing to pay for the public good. This information is needed to know if the public good should be purchased and, in an ideal arrangement, how to split the costs in a fair way."
The premise that what someone is WILLING to pay for something is valid basis for how much they should be charged for it is flawed to begin with.
McDonalds' doesn't let people pay different amounts for a Big Mac. Everyone who gets the same product pays the same price for it.
Some people may not be "willing" to pay for military protection of their life and property but they are getting an exactly equal benefit from it that everyone else is. They should be required to pay up for it.
robc,
Nah. I don't buy it. In the context of the article and the way the term is being used, it is clear that the writers are not using the restricted technical sense of the word that you are hung up on. Club Good is a term used to make a distinction between non-excludable and excludable non-rivalrous goods. You only need the term if you want to make the distinction. The article was avoiding the complication because it was not relevant to the experiments.
Of course, it is relevant if you want to make a distinction between those "public goods (broadly defined)" that can be taken care of with users fees and those that can't. It matters on the policy end.
The premise that what someone is WILLING to pay for something is valid basis for how much they should be charged for it is flawed to begin with.
It also ignores a larger issue about "willing" and "able". I might be willing to pay a million dollars for a gold-plated rocket car to take me to the moon. I don't have a million dollars, mind you, but I'm certainly willing to pay a million dollars for that rocket car. My ability to do so, however, is a bit lacking.
Anybody got a few dollars to help me fund my dream of transportation independence?
I agree with Gilbert Martin.
The premise that what someone is WILLING to pay for something is valid basis for how much they should be charged for it is flawed to begin with.
No it isn't. It's simple price discrimination and maximizes the economic efficiency of the arrangement.
McDonalds' doesn't let people pay different amounts for a Big Mac. Everyone who gets the same product pays the same price for it.
Replace McDonalds with American Airlines.
A Solution to the Free Rider Problem -- Mind Reading
If only Dick Martin were still alive.
(reference explained here)
MikeP,
I agree with Gilbert, as long as we are restricting the discussion to public goods (narrowly defined).
Replace McDonalds with American Airlines.
Because if we want a model of economic efficiency, American Airlines is the place to go!
Oh, wait...
I don't see how a club good is a subset of a public good.
The Wikipedia definition for "club good" is horrible. A public good is both non-excludable and non-rivalrous in consumption. Break either of those conditions and it is not a public good and it is not a sub-set of public goods. Examples such as golf courses and cinemas are both excludable and rivalrous.
In the context of the article and the way the term is being used, it is clear that the writers are not using the restricted technical sense of the word that you are hung up on.
Bullshit. Within the confines of a report released by economists from the California Institute of Technology the expression public goods has a very specific definition and their examples do not come close.
"No it isn't. It's simple price discrimination and maximizes the economic efficiency of the arrangement."
Not when you're talking about paying for something like military protection that has already been decided via the Constitution as the number one responsibility of the government and from which everyone derives benefit regardless of whether they "think" they do or not.
Off topic - Reason needs to start a thread about Obama's attempts to hijack the commemoration of 9/11 to push his "national service" nonsense.
OK, so MRIs expose patients to an awful lot of radiation... it's not something you want to do a lot of.
Unless massive spikes in brain tumor rates are the government's goal, I doubt they'll be adopting this method any time soon.
Gilbert and Neu Mejican,
Curious then that the US charges some people so very much more than it charges others for national defense.
How can that discrimination be rectified so they all pay the same?
Talk about reinventing the wheel. I've got an idea. Let's let people spend their own money on what they want to spend it on. One rule. If you run out of funds, you can't take money from somebody else through the muscle of government. It's called the free market, where people don't lie about their intentions and you get what you deserve. The auction-based, clearing house mechanism of the marketplace reveals "the truth" about people's preferences and beliefs. This is borne out by history and research. For instance, the Iowa Electronic Markets are consistently more accurate in predicting major events in any area where the public can possibly have "aggregate knowledge." It has been argued that the idea of rational markets is dead. I say it was overstated to begin with. Markets are usually rational, not always. But markets always tell you what people, on balance, are thinking. The use of MRIs to determine public policy is redundant.
This is easier than user fees how exactly?
That's not the point. It's easy to just burn down the dickwad professor's house. But it's way cooler to destroy said house by hacking an airborne laser to pop a shitload of popcorn.
A public good is both non-excludable and non-rivalrous in consumption.
Oh, stop it already. We all know that a public good is something I want, but I want someone else to pay for.
Only mass lobotomies could have saved California.
MikeP,
Are you trying to claim that the current tax system is how things "should" be done?
;^)
where people don't lie about their intentions and you get what you deserve.
I'm not sure how true this is. I believe we would need some kind of anti-fraud laws in place.
"Curious then that the US charges some people so very much more than it charges others for national defense."
There's nothing curious about it. It's due to the same reason that has caused the proliferation of all the entitlement programs and other transfer payment programs.
And that reason is that everyone gets an exactly equal vote on how the government spends money regardless of how much in taxes they have to contribute to fund those expenses.
A recent column by financial columnist Scott Burns but it quite succintly. He said the country began because we had a problem of taxation without representation. Now we have a problem of representation without taxation.
In a corporation, each owner gets one vote for each share of stock they buy. The owner of 10 shares doesn't have the same say in what goes on as the owner of 1,000,000 shares.
Just so we can keep our eye on the ball...
Public good was defined for the experiment like this...
Are you trying to claim that the current tax system is how things "should" be done?
Not exactly. I am saying that any tax system will be progressive. I'm also implying that, e.g., large shareholders of corporations have a lot more to lose if the US is attacked than the average prole. I have little problem with their paying more for defense; if defense were paid for by voluntary donations, that's the way it would be anyway.
Taxed like "libertarians?" WTF?
Californians face among the highest state taxes in the entire freaking country!!!! :/
"Only mass lobotomies could have saved California."
Hmmm... I suspect state politicians already have been lobotomized?
The examples used by the scientist:
"Examples in the government sector include the provision of national defense and environmental clean-ups. Examples in the private sector include hiring a security guard or improving common areas in a condominium association."
"Not exactly. I am saying that any tax system will be progressive"
Uh no - tax systems are not acts of nature like tornadoes that inevitably exhibit certain consistent traits - they are creations of man.
We did not have a "prgressive" tax system in this country at it's inception and for a very long time after that. It was not "inevitable" that it would be so.
@Bronwyn: MRIs don't produce ionizing radiation. No more dangerous than ultrasound.
And sweet Jesus is David Brooks stupid! Californians vote to subsidize themselves like socialists and to tax other Californians like socialists.
We did not have a "prgressive" tax system in this country at it's inception and for a very long time after that. It was not "inevitable" that it would be so.
Fair enough. If government spending can be slashed to the bare bones and individualized outlays can be eliminated, then, yes, the tax system does not need to be progressive.
Public good was defined for the experiment like this...
In other words, not a public good.
But how does the government or your condo board decide which public goods to spend its limited resources on?
Condo board: check the bylaws. Government: check the fucking Constitution.
It is actually unfortunate that the researchers went down the public goods road.
As an experiment in applying a lie detector in a game theoretic context to optimize price discrimination, this is an interesting study.
As an excuse to claim that private goods are public goods, this is a terrible press release.
"Green" was defined for the experiment as "red".
OK, so MRIs expose patients to an awful lot of radiation... it's not something you want to do a lot of.
I'm not an MRI technician or physicist, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. MRIs work using powerful magnetic fields and radio waves to "read" orientations of atoms and interpret the varying orientations as tissue density. While radio waves are a part of the energy spectrum, they're generally not referred to as "radiation".
/nitpick
Oops, hurlybuerhle beat me to it. Should probably refresh the comments before posting one.
"""It also ignores a larger issue about "willing" and "able". I might be willing to pay a million dollars for a gold-plated rocket car to take me to the moon."""
Or the reverse, I am able to pay a million dollars for it, but I'm only willing to give you ten bucks.
"I'm also implying that, e.g., large shareholders of corporations have a lot more to lose if the US is attacked than the average prole. I have little problem with their paying more for defense; if defense were paid for by voluntary donations, that's the way it would be anyway."
Well that gets back to the free rider problem.
It costs a fixed amount of money for the military to protect the entire perimeter of the country from invasion by an enemy. That amount is what it is regardless of whether the property ownership of the country is divided up exactly equally amongst the population of whether 1% of the population owns 99.9% of the property or any point in between.
If there were some way of singling out the people who pay more (and all their property) for a prioritized preferential level of protection vs everybody else then what you say might make sense. But there isn't.
Military protection isn't analgous to property insurance. The military isn't going to pay you for loss of your property if they fail to repel an invasion (or your heirs for failing to save your life) regardless of whether you've been paying thousands of dollars in taxes a year toward the military budget or not.
Or the reverse, I am able to pay a million dollars for it, but I'm only willing to give you ten bucks.
I take paypal.
MikeP,
The interesting thing about this to me is the claim that the procedure would work as long as the participants believed the lie detector was accurate. No need for the MRI. Just a procedure that have face validity as a lie detector.
The interesting thing about this to me is the claim that the procedure would work as long as the participants believed the lie detector was accurate.
Imagine that! People are more honest if they think their lies can be found out. There's a shock.
Thought experiment - if the United States Military "rescues" hostages abroad, should we charge them for it?
In other words should these people have been billed?
Part of me wants to say "yes", but at the same time, it would be low on my list of libertarian priorities. The first would be ending the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, which would free up a lot more resources to actually "defend" Americans.
Of course, national defense is not America's military policy anymore. You guys knew that, right?
I must be rich and didn't notice, now that I'm paying almost 10% sales tax here in Los Angeles County.
I'd also like to say I'm leery of any new tax proposals coming from people with the name Rangel.
"""Thought experiment - if the United States Military "rescues" hostages abroad, should we charge them for it?"""
Maybe. But we shouldn't pay them for any damage that occurred in the process.
We moved from national defense to national offense long ago. We should return the name War Department to the DoD. It would be more accurate.
""I'd also like to say I'm leery of any new tax proposals coming from people with the name Rangel.""
And never give your money to anyone named Madoff.
Thought experiment - if the United States Military "rescues" hostages abroad, should we charge them for it?
Apparently, France is currently considering something similar.
@Bronwyn: MRIs don't produce ionizing radiation. No more dangerous than ultrasound.
Bronwyn: you're thinking CAT scans.
"Likewise, someone who has kids in public school should have more of her taxes put toward education."
I call BS. Sure, parents have an interest in educated children but so does society at large.
And is that interest anywhere close to the interest of the parents, or of the children themselves? No.
So what is your problem with the very modest phrasing "should have more of her taxes put toward".
And as I pointed out at io9 yesterday, only one of those, national defense, meets the classical definition of a public good. If you want people to pay for the rest of that stuff in proportion to how much they actually value it, all you have to do is end the subsidies.
Californians have voted to tax themselves like libertarians and subsidize themselves like socialists.
Speaking as a Californian, we are taxed like socialists and subsidized like communists.
I call BS. Sure, parents have an interest in educated children but so does society at large.
So, you are saying that society has an interest in ruining the minds of as many children as possible with indoctrination and an interest in short circuiting their natural tendencies to learning and developing critical thinking skills because we only have so many jobs in the elite fields available and need many more people to do the drudge work instead? While this is a common argument among those who support the current system developed from the Prussian model, and the common line of reasoning that was used for developing it in the first place, I have to disagree. As long as we have liberal immigration laws, and we don't make regulation onerous on the employers, we wont have a problem supplying the demand for the jobs that are needed.
Some people may not be "willing" to pay for military protection of their life and property but they are getting an exactly equal benefit from it that everyone else is.
A whole lot of elderly AJAs detained during WWII by the military would take exception to that statement.
And others. Like me.
If people want military protection by the government, they should be able to choose to pay for it, or decline it (and thus be subject to kidnapping by foreigners, among other things.)
There isn't ANYTHING the government does that couldn't be financed by voluntary subscriptions -- although for some of the more useless programs, the voluntary subscriptions would hover around a total of $0.