GMail Goes Down for an Hour and a Half: There Oughta Be a Law!
When Google's email product, GMail, went down for about an hour and a half this week, it was pretty traumatic. I actually had to remember the password to an ancient Yahoo account in order to send an urgent email. Horrible.
And just as the sun inevitably follows the rain, "there oughta be a law" articles started cropping up that evening and on through yesterday. The most blatantly silly, and most widely distributed, was this gem by Patrick Thibodeau, who wrote:
It's too bad the National Transportation Safety Board can't investigate Google to find out just why Gmail crashed Tuesday…..The NTSB would seek out the root cause of the outage, hold hearings and issue a report with recommendations for fixing the problem.
Yep. A government-issued report six months from now is exactly what we need. Without an NTSB report looming over them, what incentive could the folks at Google possibly have to fix this problem quickly and make sure it doesn't happen again?
Actually, there is one redeeming feature of Thibodeau's article. He does offer the important service of outlining a worst case scenario for government involvement with a good product. Google has been pushing to get its mail, documents, and spreadsheet applications into corporate and government-use environments. If I were Google, articles like Thibodeau's would make me think twice about trying to get government hooked on my product.
Never mind that any city's current system certainly goes down regularly, probably far more regularly than the two very brief Google outages ever that I've been aware of. Even Thibodeau notes "Los Angeles' IT department is recommending the city move to Google Apps and says the company's services 'often exceed the current city level.'" Because the minute that the City of Los Angeles loses an hour of precious paperwork time, well:
it's unlikely that an informed public will settle for incomplete explanations about outages.
If the service is critical, they will want to know what went wrong. Was the equipment upgraded, patched? Was staffing at proper levels? When was the last time someone tested the emergency generators? And so on.
Answers to fair and legitimate questions will be sought and little "dashboards" aren't going to cut it.
Actually, when my mail went down, I hopped over to Twitter, searched #gmailfail, watched the dutifully hashtagged yawps of hundreds scroll by for a minute, found a link to the maligned dashboard page, where I checked in for updates at promised intervals until the problem was fixed. When NTSB can do that, we'll talk. If it gets worse or happens more frequently, I'll bail on Gmail, which boasts about the ease with with people leaving the system can migrate out contacts and old mail.
In the meantime, let's hope governments everywhere take Thibodeau's advice and stay away from Google.
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Damnit! Now freedb.org is down.
What a tool!
cause with government, nothing can ever be *allowed* to fail...
Failure Is Not An Option!
OT: I see that this guy just befriended Reason. Perhaps they could send him to townhalls and have him use his MysteriosoTechniques on various issues.
Shut the fuck up, Lonewacko.
WTF...gmail down again today...i cannnot even get to the home page...GOOOGLEEE, you SUCKKKKK!! infact you suck more than microsoft..atleast they acknowledge problems, you guys just said some servers are down, a load of crap..maybe your much touted GFS platform (so hush hush) - fell apart???
Gmail going down = some guy befriending reason.
LoneWacko, I would like to study your brain. May I have it for a while?
Maybe he's just the product of a Markov Chain.
Outages? Try using yahoo mail. You're assigned to a single server for life and if you have a 11 year old yahoo.com email address, that means your mail server has had no maintenance or upgrades for 11 years.
Hey, there is always hotmail.
Wait, wait, wait, before you throw the tomatoes, that was a joke.
11 year old yahoo.com email address
newb.
You get what you pay for. I find it rather ridiculous that people are getting bent out of shape because a service that they pay nothing for was unavailable for a brief period of time.
Compare GOOGLE fixing the problem in an hour or two with the SEC, even after several people said Madoff was committing fraud, they didn't fix it. Maybe we should turn the Government over to GOOGLE, or start a Sergy Brin for President movement.
Google issued an incident report detailing how the problem occured and how it would be fixed an hour after the system came up again. What's that thing that starts with an "r" that reporters are supposed to before writing articles again...
I find it kind of funny that Gmail just went out of "beta" recently, and has the only major outage that I can recall in years in years after that.
Google completely explained the outage less than 24 hours after it happened. It was clear and concise to anybody who's ever dealt with high end networks. They've provided 3 free days of service as compensation for premium customers since it only met 99.8 instead of 99.9 reliability.
NTSB not required.
I check my Gmail constantly and I didn't notice any problems yesterday.
Lonewacko, get the fuck out of here or I'll throw you out the window.
He mentioned The Twitter! Itz teh awesome.
Oh, god, that actually physically hurt typing that.
Now, he could be like me, trapped in 1993, with my aol email account I've had since then... But then, he'd be the butt of all those cool internet jokes about aol... like I am.
I have two questions none actually regarding the gmailfail. Did Taktix leave? Or change his handle? (not that all of *you* don't suffice, I was just wondering. And you know who you are. The solid core of posters that make me smile about shit that should set my mood on grumpy.) And, can we turn this into another Sci-fi/BSG thread? I missed all the bashing of Battlefield Earth, which I could not watch in it's totality. And I love me some bad movies! Best of the best, anyone? Eric Roberts cries 5 times!!! It's worth it just for that! Now then, a buddy is lending me his Gallactica DVD's so I can finally get caught up with my sci-fi dorkdom. I've been re-watching the Lord of the Rings Trilogy too much, and wasting too much time skimming through the fucking Wheel of Time waiting for Book 12. I'm looking for something new (well, new to me). So, BSG it is? Or another suggestion?
TAO, every single person I talked to who uses gmail couldn't get on. Either you are some kind of gmail god who gets through no matter what, or you happened to not check during the down time. I suppose it's possible that not all the routers were down, but Google's explanation seemed to indicate that the overload spread to all of them.
wasting too much time skimming through the fucking Wheel of Time waiting for Book 12
Warty, should I hold him while you beat him, or will you hold him while I beat him?
Is Kool making fun of us?
Epi, we'd better just throw him in Steve Smith's cage.
Is Kool making fun of us?
Absofuckinglutely not.
Damned dude dies before finishing his magnum opus? I wasn't sure to cry out of sadness or anger when I found out.
should I hold him while you beat him, or will you hold him while I beat him?
Sorry guys, you have to take a number and get in line. Yes, AND get in line. No waiting around the front watching the others.
STEVE SMITH RAPE KOOL AND GANG, NOT KOOL! STEVE HAVE CELEBRATION!
Damned dude dies before finishing his magnum opus? I wasn't sure to cry out of sadness or anger when I found out.
I hate you more than I hate Lonewacko.
magnum opus
Did they fix the weather yet?
You're dead, Kool. Dead. You hear me?!?
I hate you more than I hate Lonewacko.
Now, now, don't be hasty.
::stares at monitor with fear::
Epi,
There was no outage for users who checked their email through POP/IMAP. I didn't notice any problems with my Gmail accounts that I checked through Thunderbird.
grizzly, good point, maybe TAO was using a non-web interface.
Ah, that must have been it. I have a POP/IMAP that's routed to Microsoft E-mail Product that Shall Remain Nameless.
You're dead, Kool. Dead. You hear me?!?
Yes, and should I read something else? George Martin? Terry Goodkind? David Brin?
Did they fix the weather yet?
Well played, sir.
Actually I still have a yahoo account. I use my yahoo account for stuff like this crap site and those places that require an email address to register. I use my google account for my friends.
Kool, don't worry about Warty. I think his herpes is flaring up again today.
Remember Warty: it's about suppression.
Kool, you can only be forgiven if you undertake an Augean task: prove that Terry Goodkind isn't just making a career out of writing a longer version of The Fountainhead with more rape. Show your work.
Yes, and should I read something else? George Martin? Terry Goodkind? David Brin?
HBO is making Game of Thrones, bitches! I wonder if even they call pull it off.
Who uses GMail?
The losers Our Leader wants to universally insure?
Screw 'em.
Read it and weep, bitches.
YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE."
So, quit whining.
And Kool, I just finished Iain M. Banks Matter. Go read his Culture stuff if you haven't yet.
I've never read any George Martin, somehow. I should fix this.
T, I am in the middle of Matter right now.
Warty, the books are huge, but worth it.
prove that Terry Goodkind isn't just making a career out of writing a longer version of The Fountainhead with more rape. Show your work.
Trick question! He is. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Work:
((TGoodkind/Ayn)-Leonard Peikoff)+((objectivism/libertarianism)^anarchy)=The Fountainhead+rape
It's important to note that POP/IMAP and email processing were never affected by the outage.
I use gmail through my IMAP client, Thunderbird, and I didn't know anything was wrong until I saw a story about it on Google News.
The explanation provided, that they did not anticipate increased load on their loadbalancers due to an upgrade, which then went into a cascading failure mode, rings true to me. But what do I know? I've only been doing this stuff professionally for 13 years now.
G mail was down for a total of what? Two hours? I'm sure glad my highly regulated phone, cable and electrical distribution systems never have those kind of outtages that would stop me from communicating.
T, Matter? I'll look into it, thanks. I have read a lot of Banks.
Warty, George Martin is pretty good although the first book is a little disturbing with all the nipple twisting of that dude's own little sister. That being said, I stopped after book two to wait utill he finishes the series (so I don't have another WOT-style breakdown that started my potential exile form hit & run).
So, will HBO include the said incestual nipple twists? Enquiring minds want to know!
I have read a lot of Banks.
That's I haven't read a lot of Banks.
Sheesh, time to go home.
utill=until
form=from
Fuckin' a. Now, I really am going home.
So, will HBO include the said incestual nipple twists? Enquiring minds want to know!
Wait and see. It is HBO.
so I don't have another WOT-style breakdown that started my potential exile form hit & run
Oh, you're still dead, Kool. But we don't want you to know when it's coming.
That's I haven't read a lot of Banks.
He's another filthy socialist Scot who writes great books. There must be something in the water up there.
You could also try Ken MacLeod and Charlie Stross for more sci-fi. I haven't been reading much fantasy lately besides the Malazan books. Steve Ericson seems pretty healthy, so I should see the end of those. I'm afraid Martin will drop dead from a heart attack before he finishes, since he's your archetypical bearded tub of goo.
Try some Neal Asher too. The Skinner is a great place to start.
I don't know if HBO will be able to pull it off, but they did get Sean Fucking Bean as Ned Stark, so I have my hopes.
Except, peachy, that
SPOILER ==========================
we lose Bean as soon as Stark gets beheaded. Sort of a waste of a good actor. And really, is Nikolaj Coster-Waldau smirkingly arrogant enough to be Jaime Lannister?
I will never, for the life of me, understand this cult around Google. I think it's a scientific fact that anyone who puts down someone's friggin' email service while extolling their own (almost always Googlites), are douchebags.
"I will never, for the life of me, understand this cult around Google."
Fuck freedom, screw liberty, the New America is all about the Cult.
I missed the latest outage. No it was not the first. Perhaps one of the first major "outages."
It is funny though when Liberals slit their own throats. A NTSB board investigating Gmail, that's humorous.
Like Mangu-Ward, I was forced to remember my password to an old Yahoo account, but that was a while back, sometime in July. After the second time, I just went back to Yahoo, and converted my two Gmail accounts to junk addys.
Meanwhile, as Google cultists shiver at the prospect of government involvement in Gmail, the government seizes control of the internet:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html?tag=rtcol;pop
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/DHS_disaster_hacker_fear/2009/09/03/255875.html
Dum-dee-dum-dum.
Additionally, for the record, free services and software give great bang for the buck, it's really ungrateful to bitch and moan about service outages and software bugs when you didn't pay a cent and got benefit from using these free products and services. In most cases there are always other free alternatives, and if you don't like them, then there are ones you can pay for (once you spend money you have reason to complain when things don't function as expected).
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