I thought it odd the other week when Frank Rich attempted to explain a purported "resurgence" of racial-anxiety-based "radicalism" by quoting from a sociological essay from 1962. Well, along comes my former colleague Gregory Rodriguez in the L.A. Times, locating the decoder ring in a Richard Hofstadter essay from 1954:
Hofstadter points to the fundamental rootlessness and heterogeneity of U.S. society, and the "peculiar scramble for status and [the] peculiar search for secure identity" that those qualities inspire. Without, say, a traditional class system -- a "recognizable system of status," in Hofstadter's words -- Americans suffer from "status anxiety." During times of great social flux, these fears play out in politics as people seek out enemies (which helps them reaffirm their own standing) and, at the same time, damn a social order they feel they can't dominate.
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self. That a resulting status anxiety would play itself out on the right more than the left may have to do with the right's general discomfort with the kind of collective identities -- unions, ethnics, gender -- that the left tends to embrace. Instead of finding affiliations to secure their status, the right's "rugged individualists" get mired in the type of anomie that in turn increases the need to reaffirm one's place in a topsy-turvy world.
The personal, deeply vituperative tone of the debate over healthcare reform seems to suggest that Americans' anger is not just about whether a "public option" is part of a reform package. The fear is less about encroaching socialism than it is about getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society. Change isn't slowing down, and the bad news is that these feelings of losing control are not likely to go away any time soon.
Rodriguez is no Rich (I mean that in a good way), and I agree that scapegoating the Other is a predictable byproduct of any national trauma, but the questions are how much, and where is the evidence? As I wrote last week, 9/11 was a helluva lot more self-soiling and scapegoat-creating than the vague and apparently perennial sense "getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society," and yet the promised wave of anti-Muslim violence never materialized. If townhall protesters were motivated by race, wouldn't they be focusing on the black attorney general's drastic expansion of civil rights litigation?
We are, thank God, an almost unrecognizably different country than in 1954, particularly on questions of racial tolerance, conformity, and the pace of change. The "collective identities" Rodriguez points to are hardly the exclusive provinces of the political left, as evangelical Christians and Dallas Cowboys fans can attest. If the dislocated-whitey thesis was as convincing as mainstream newspaper pundits are claiming, surely there is more concrete evidence than essays from a half-century ago, and some raised voices at the first real opportunity for citizens to interact with their elected representatives after a 10-month binge of federal intervention.
UPDATE: Read Damon Root's great piece from a year ago on Hofstadter's reputation-making pile of slanders against the classical liberal thinker Herbert Spencer.
Start your day with Reason. Get a daily brief of the most important stories and trends every weekday morning when you subscribe to Reason Roundup.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com
posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary
period.
Subscribe
here to preserve your ability to comment. Your
Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the
digital
edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do
not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments
do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and
ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
The left was desperate for there to be a massive racist backlash against Obama. When it was really nothing more than the usual suspects, they had the media invent it for them. Add "confirmation bias" to the long list of concepts they refuse to grasp.
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self. That a resulting status anxiety would play itself out on the right more than the left may have to do with the right's general discomfort with the kind of collective identities -- unions, ethnics, gender -- that the left tends to embrace. Instead of finding affiliations to secure their status, the right's "rugged individualists" get mired in the type of anomie that in turn increases the need to reaffirm one's place in a topsy-turvy world.
"The personal, deeply vituperative tone of the debate over healthcare reform seems to suggest that Americans' anger is not just about whether a "public option" is part of a reform package. The fear is less about encroaching socialism than it is about getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society. Change isn't slowing down, and the bad news is that these feelings of losing control are not likely to go away any time soon."
It isn't a black thing, it is a Marxist thing. I don't blame the overwhelmingly redistributionist black community for believing free money is a long term good thing. I blame the evil powers that are behind this heinous scheme of permenant dependence. The only point I can agree with from the article is, yes, I'm scared shitless of where were headed.
A new bio of Warren Harding, who was the victim of a Dem whispering campaign about his "negro ancestors," was released yesterday. The Harding Affair has details from his love letters to Carrie Phillips (which were supposed to be sealed until 2014) and includes info about her pro-German activities in WWI and his efforts to oppose Wilson's nation-building.
Actually, my respect for Harding went up several notches after reading the book.
The leftist and leftish elites are really hung up on health care reform; they figure the need for the reforms they think Obama is calling for, however vague and half-defined they may be, is so great and so obvious that no logical person could be skeptical of them, and so they assume such skeptics are insane or have ulterior motives.
Or just maybe the reform plans on the table are so incomprehensible that the only way to defend them is ad hominem attacks.
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self.
My sense of self is not affected, at all, by any events in the political sphere. That academics and media types apparently think it goes without saying that it must be, tells me more about them than it does about Americans in general.
The personal, deeply vituperative tone of the debate over healthcare reform seems to suggest that Americans' anger is not just about whether a "public option" is part of a reform package. The fear is less about encroaching socialism than it is about getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society.
Isn't this just a windy version of the bloody-knuckles Dem talking point that opposition to healthcare "reform" should be disregarded because its based on ignorance and hatred?
My sense of self is not affected, at all, by any events in the political sphere.
All things are political. Democracy means that totalitarianism is simply the difference between "doing okay" and "a good crisis we can't waste".
Of course, that's why we are a Republic. And, of course, that's why the Republic's enemies have worked to destroy republicanism (senator selection by popular election, state powers eroded by law, and state powers eroded by deals-with-the-devil with the federal government in exchange for tax monies).
We are, thank God, an almost unrecognizably different country than in 1954, particularly on questions of racial tolerance, conformity, and the pace of change.
Oddly enough, that mean, racist, wife-beating America managed to put a man on the moon 15 years hence. Enlightened, tolerant, multi-culti America can't even fix it's fucking potholes, let alone duplicate any such feat at any time soon.
Now I understand why The Enlightened so hate the space program. Apollo stands as an indictment and reproach to every thing they stand for.
"The leftist and leftish elites are really hung up on GLOBAL WARMING; they figure the need for the reforms they think Obama is calling for, however vague and half-defined they may be, is so great and so obvious that no logical person could be skeptical of them, and so they assume such skeptics are insane or have ulterior motives.
Rodriguez would be a lot better off using Douglas Hofstadter for inspiration. Hofstadter's Law is one of the great aphorisms of all times. Richard seems like a bit of a schwantz.
If energy production was subjected to the processes necessary to make the mountain from this particular molehill, we could all be wealthy and supergreenies.
There was a whole class of historians that came out of WWII and did work through the 1950s and 1960s who were really crappy, yet very influential. One of their main flaws was that they tended to do very little archival research. A lot of that has been remedied with the rise of micro-histories and the like.
"Fear of a Black President?" Is that a a little Porcupine Tree reference there Mr. Welch - as I listen to "Fear of a Blank Planet" at this very moment? Or was it just spooky coincidence?
I don't blame the overwhelmingly redistributionist black community for believing free money is a long term good thing.
You dirty soft racist of low expectations! If the people were white, or non-black, you refer to them as lazy, worthless piece of shit, no good for nothing white trash, wouldn't you?
GOPers and their defenders would have us believe that their dominant demographic consisting of older white southerners has not a racist among them. Fine, I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt on that question. And the attacks on Obama, to the extent that they are racial, are at most dog-whistles. They're not so different from the attacks on John Kerry, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton (that is, filled with scaremongering, and stupid, desperate lies).
But we can't forget that attacks on the evil liberals has historically always had a racial competent, which has gotten ever more subtle as society has shifted. Their strategy can no longer out-and-out attack nigger lovers, though the welfare queen image is still somewhat reliable. Hysterical rants about ACORN, Obama's former pastor, and the dishonest attempt to shift blame for the recession essentially to uppity black people are all part of the same pattern.
Uppity black people? Isn't it Tony and his ilk who imply that black folk are just too damn stupid to make their own economic decisions?
(Not that the GOP doesn't have its share of racists. I hate those bastards, too.)
Strangely, Tony, the biggest cluster of racists I ever ran across was the machinists union members where I once worked. I'm assuming they were mostly Democrats based on the candidate bumper stickers they had festooned on their lockers. But you take your racists one man or woman at a time, not stereotyping them with the groups to which they may belong. Racism, being a form of collectivism, is hardly something one will find with most individualistic libertarians.
""Fear of a Black President?" Is that a a little Porcupine Tree reference there Mr. Welch - as I listen to "Fear of a Blank Planet" at this very moment?"
yeeesh, prog rock fans. the only thing whiter than prog rock fans is white-out, and even white out knows a few public enemy songs. 🙂
The most racist people I know (and I live in Georgia) are also pretty damn liberal. Funny how that works, ain't it.
You see, damn near any group is bound to have racists in it. But I don't go screaming that Obama's health care package is racist, or that opposition to deregulation is racist, or anything of the sort. Idiotic and racist aren't the same thing after all.
Are you trying to tell me the GOP hasn't made race...
What I'm trying to tell you is that I really don't give much of a damn what the GOP is, does, or has. Reason is about Free Minds and Free Markets(tm). Have you even read the Wikipedia entry on Libertarianism? Do you read? Have you heard of Wikipedia?
I really am a tolerant person (though apparent "racial incompetent"), and I think it's cute when kids come and sit at the grown-up table. But you've spilled your water glass twice now, and keep putting french fries up your nose -- young man, where is your mother?
This is not the Friends of Team Red site. Move along, move along.
If, as the liberal cant assumes, homophobia is actually unexpressed homosexual urges, then cannot their hatred and belief in the ubiquity of racists be seen as a sign of their own unexpressed racism?
Unfortunately for you Team Red has adopted your crazy economic ideas to advance its own interests. And the amount of GOP cock that gets sucked on this site as a result of this sliver of a simpatico relationship is enough to confuse anyone.
Tony, you really are a special, special person. I'm amazed you can even turn on a computer with your head so far up your own ass as to miss all the comments blasting idiotic GOP ideas and the GOP in general.
Honestly, do you have to fart in order to see the screen?
Isn't it Tony and his ilk who imply that black folk are just too damn stupid to make their own economic decisions?
Uhmm..no that would be people like John who spout off about how democrats have tricked naive black voters to support them against their better interests when they really should be aligned with that free market loving GOP.
It's also funny how whenever Tony has a valid point the only response is "SHUT UP" or some insult or some lame ass counter example -- LIBERALS ARE TEH RACIST TOO!!!!!!11111
Yeah so what -- that doesn't negate other peoples racism. (And for the record being a member of a union doesn't make you a liberal. It makes you a union member.)
Yeah let's pretend like there are no racists any more. Let's pretend like yelling "ACORN" or "Community Organizer" or all the focus on Obama's pastor had no racial components to it.
Cries of "WE WANT OUT COUNTRY BACK" from people who "want the government out of Medicare" are just people who really hate socialism -- it's completely unfathomable to think that some (many) of them are reacting that way because they seem feel that their position on top of society is being threatened. What with the numbers showing that minorities are the fastest growing segments of society and the election of a black president.
The fact that the when GOP was passing the unfunded Medicare Drug Prescription plan these tea baggers were not even the least concerned about "socialism" should not even be considered when discussing the motivations of these "patriots".
Let's pretend like there is no southern strategy. Let's pretend like the Macaca moments don't exist. Let's pretend like the bile that is spewed towards "illegals" has nothing to do with race. Let's pretend like the claims of "welfare queens" aren't at all racist. It's really just anti-Marxism.
Let's pretend reality is all bullshit.
Rodriguez is no Rich (I mean that in a good way), and I agree that scapegoating the Other is a predictable byproduct of any national trauma, but the questions are how much, and where is the evidence? As I wrote last week, 9/11 was a helluva lot more self-soiling and scapegoat-creating than the vague and apparently perennial sense "getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society," and yet the promised wave of anti-Muslim violence never materialized.
So violence is the only measuring stick of racism? You mean all the anti-muslim sentiment post 9/11 and the verbal harassment aren't examples of a backlash towards muslims post 9/11 ? That would seem to explain why libertarians are so committed to convincing everyone else that racism doesn't exist any more -- I mean I guess that since there are so few lynchings that proves racism is dead?
If townhall protesters were motivated by race, wouldn't they be focusing on the black attorney general's drastic expansion of civil rights litigation?
Because a bigger and better target is the guy at the top, not his choice for AG? Because the Limbaugh's, the Becks, and the Freedomworks and the Insurance lobby folks who are spreading misinformation and talking points are targeting Obama and health care reform - and that's an easier target than going after a DOJ policy of enforcing civil rights violations (and opposing civil rights is kind of a big racist tell?)
Really Mr. Welch you aren't this dumb. You must be playing the fool.
and the dishonest attempt to shift blame for the recession essentially to uppity black people are all part of the same pattern.
Tony, like I told my liberal ex-friends, government programs sold on the basis of "helping minorities" can have negative side effects. They can do harm. Disagreeing about one program doing one specific harm is one thing, but saying they cannot EVER do harm is pure BS.
"A govt program aimed at helping minorities wound up doing damage" is an allowable thought.
It's also funny how whenever Tony has a valid point
Valid to whom? Oh that's right, you. The sole arbiter of validity.
We reached peak racism a long, long time ago. Are there still racists? Yes. Are they representative of mainstream thought and opinion? Hardly. Does whining to us about them do a goddamn thing other then make you and TrollTony feel superior? No fucking way.
Has ChiTom every answered my question about how much of his own personal wealth he's given to the poor, poor folk he pretends to cares so much about?
Maybe he has, but I've missed it.
Who knows. Perhaps he figures it's OK to not give of his own wealth, since he'll give of yours? I mean, do the poor really give a shit where it comes from?
Is it really a surprise that victim politics is used to shut down all debate? It was bullshit when Bushites did their "but there's a war on" song and dance to curtail criticism and it's bullshit now.
Obama could suck the spine out of a nine-year-old orphan on live TV and then fuck her brainstem and any objection about it would still be met with OMG TEH RACISM!
The fact that the when GOP was passing the unfunded Medicare Drug Prescription plan these tea baggers were not even the least concerned about "socialism" should not even be considered when discussing the motivations of these "patriots".
Bullshit. I was there. The GOP base was fucking livid.
Tony, like I told my liberal ex-friends, government programs sold on the basis of "helping minorities" can have negative side effects. They can do harm. Disagreeing about one program doing one specific harm is one thing, but saying they cannot EVER do harm is pure BS.
"A govt program aimed at helping minorities wound up doing damage" is an allowable thought.
I never made that argument. What I said was that the right tried to blame the recession mostly on people who bought houses they couldn't afford. The rhetoric was not really all that subtle in its tone of racism. Now this was the big lie with regard to the recession. The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs.
But the GOP does this all the time. Not only is it a way of shifting blame away from their own laissez-faire policies, it's another in a long, tedious line of strategies to get their core constituency to blame all their problems on minorities (be they black, latino, or gay) so they don't notice who's really at fault for their stagnant economic situation.
What I said was that the right tried to blame the recession mostly on people who bought houses they couldn't afford. The rhetoric was not really all that subtle in its tone of racism.
Ok, so Tony believes that only black people make bad economic decisions. What a fucking racist.
creech mentioned his union co-workers being liberal and based his assumption on the bumper stickers on their lockers.
The stuff about the Rev Wright and Acorn community organizing were IMO fair questions about difficult topics. It was curious to me that more wasn't made of McCain's use of the word "gooks" in his interview years ago.
Remember, I like Obama and voted for him and his policy promises, not as a slam to the GOP.
Bullshit. I was there. The GOP base was fucking livid.
Agreed, T... but the more important thing for them to realize the the one thing they completely refuse to grasp:
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE WITH REPUBLICANS GO FUCKING FIND SOME
"I never made that argument. What I said was that the right tried to blame the recession mostly on people who bought houses they couldn't afford. The rhetoric was not really all that subtle in its tone of racism. Now this was the big lie with regard to the recession. The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs."
So the only idiots who bought houses they couldn't afford did so with government programs?
Trust me, there were a lot of idiots buying houses they couldn't afford. They just didn't all do it with government programs.
And how the fuck do you get racism from people saying folks bought houses they couldn't afford? There are a shit load of white folks who lost their homes because they couldn't afford them too.
Agreed, T... but the more important thing for them to realize the the one thing they completely refuse to grasp:
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
True, but I still don't think ChiTom should get a pass on transparently false claims. He'll seize any tiny, perceived inconsistency and throw it against us, but then turn around and lie through his teeth.
Tomcat1066, well duh. That's because white lenders were loathe to lend money to teh blacks. The blacks that were able to get loans from those predatory sharks actually loaning to colored folk still managed to singlehandedly destroy the economy of the whole frickin world.
Another Harding (the first black president) threadjack.
The author believes that the newly uncovered love letters show that it was pressure from his, ironically, pro-German mistress that kept Harding out of the 1916 presidential race, a race he easily could have won. And had he unseated Wilson, it's likely the America-First Harding would have kept us out of World War I.
A very interesting "what if."
And anyway... if go back to the CRA threads that happened here, not in Tony's head, the real argument wasn't "CRA loans wrecked the economy" it was joe v. sanity when he claimed that bad CRA loans "played no part whatsoever in the housing market bubble." And then claimed anyone who didn't believe that bullshit was a racist.
The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs.
By "the data", you mean batting statistics from American League farm system? Because the effect of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the FHA (I may be missing a letter there) were pretty, ya know, significant.
But the GOP does this all the time
Tony brings up an interesting point here. Few people realize that Sibelius lived until 1957 -- amazing when you consider how his sound is embedded in the romanticism and nationalism of the 19th century.
Part of the reason this gets overlooked is that he stopped writing in the late '20s, just as serialism was swinging art music in a very different direction.
Here's what I find intriguing: this was right at the point that Sibelius finally started receiving royalties and became financially secure. So, did he just stop writing because he was old and tired (in his early 60s), or did his earlier financial difficulties keep him focused on cranking out the music?
Oh, this has nothing to do with this site or this topic? Well, if Tony gets to...
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self.
...As economist Russell Roberts of George Mason University points out, Bank of America reported that nonperforming CRA-eligible loans were a significant drag on its third-quarter 2008 income. Its earnings report states: "We continue to see deterioration in our community reinvestment act portfolio which totals some 7 percent of the residential book. . . . The annualized loss rate from the CRA book was 1.26 percent and represented 29 percent of the residential mortgage net losses." This is a far cry from the advocates' standard line that CRA loans, while less lucrative than standard mortgages, are still profitable....
John McCain's use of the word "gook" refers to communist North Vietnamese - the people that tortured him in a cage. That's why he "got away with it". Gook was the term at the time. Just because your average union worker redneck still uses terms like gook or chink to refer to any Asian person (that threatens to taek their jerb), doesn't mean John McCain was doing the same.
If CRA loans were less risky and less likely to be turned into MBSs than the loans they replaced, then the CRA cannot be said to have played any role in this problem. If not for the CRA, there would have been MORE defaults and MORE mortgages bundled into MSBs. The CRA did not contribute even a little, tiny bit to the meltdown. If anything, it ameliorated the problem. If I sell a tire that blows out at a rate of only 1 incident for 100,000 miles driven, rather than 3, I haven't contributed to car accidents caused by tires blowing out. I've reduced that problem.
joe always ignored the fact that without the CRA, you would have NO blowouts at all. That is, the default rate on CRA loans is zero if you don't make any.
No one ever said the CRA caused the issue, just that it triggered the cascading effect that happens when your next door neighbor' house forecloses.
Also - I like to make the argument that the CRA and other such programs actually neither caused nor triggered the bubble, but rather Alan Greenspan's idiotic interest rates and expansionist monetary policy actually created the bubble (as it always does), and the CRA and other government attempts at raising home ownership artificially guided that bubble into the housing sector.
Oh the GOP matches its rhetoric with regard to some laissez-faire policies, but only with regard to social welfare programs. These are more widely and hotly despised by the right because, you know, it's "those people" getting help, rather than good wealthy Americans and their corporations who really deserve it.
What the fuck are you babbling about now Tony? Seriously, are you the only person on this planet who thinks you know what the fuck you're talking about?
The GOP doesn't regard laissez-faire policies as a factor, because they don't want the negative side of laissez-faire economics. Example number one? TARP. Bailing out companies, of any type for any reason, isn't laissez-faire.
Letting the market take care of it and getting the fuck out of the way? Now THAT is laissez-faire.
It is reality that GOP governments have steadily been gutting social welfare programs. Is that what's controversial about my statement? I said in plain English that they do not match their rhetoric with regard to corporate welfare.
Am I in the right place? This article is clearly arguing along the left right adage, adopting right talking points, but swear they aren't republicans. Weird!
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self.
Whose sense of self are we talking about? African Americans who are inclined to connect their own self-esteem with progress for their U.S. Census Bureau category (not a good life strategy, but anyway) would, I think, find the election of the first black president cause for satisfaction, even or especially if the president has turned out to be somewhat less god-like than promised. And while everybody else doesn't have to jump on any feel-good-about-America bandwagons, it's at least a small piece of evidence that this is not the racist, unfair, hateful Amerikkka we have so often been told it is. How is my "sense of self" or any other person's being challenged by having a black president?
Sean, speaking of rhetoric and reality, I'm still waiting to hear about this leftist plot that has been stifling productivity for decades. Can you believe the amount of reports saying it has risen? I'm real worried, maybe you should pick up the red phone, I smell a leftist plot.
Reagan cut some social programs. Clinton, under the influence of Reagan's evil-government rhetoric, significantly cut back the welfare program. Bush cut education programs. Nobody dared touch medicare or social security.
Problem is social spending isn't the real source of our debt problem (and liberals would argue that they are part of the solution), it's our massive war spending, which Republicans wouldn't dream of cutting back.
Oh noez; the fact that you are incapable of learning Econ 101 and doing basic math, much less looking at even something with pretty pictures that shows A. inflation, and B. the number & types of jobs that have disappeared from the United States in the last 50 years is not my fault.
No... you're right though, the stifled production is just something I made up.
School lunches under Reagan. There, happy? You won't get an argument out of me by saying that Republicans are big-spending hypocrites. The point I was trying to get at since this is a thread on race is that Republicans have only been able to make cutting government palatable when they could convince enough people that the programs were all about giving handouts to black people.
"Republicans have only been able to make cutting government palatable when they could convince enough people that the programs were all about giving handouts to black people."
Huh? Now... I've been paying attention to this shit for most of my life, and in general that means Bush 1/Clinton onward, but I've never seen that happen, possibly with the exception of anti-affirmative action stuff, but then that kind of has a racial component built in, now doesn't it?
Equality =/= Affirmative action... I hope you realize that Tony, affirmative action is the opposite of equality. It's tilting the scales, in a more PC direction perhaps, but tilted none-the-less.
The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs.
Which data? What was the basis for calculating the inflation of the bubble. The idea of MBS, keeping rates low, and forcing banks across red lines are all clearly documented. The whole goal was to promote home ownership and all the political trappings that come with it. The unintended consequence was the bubble, people bought vacation homes, more expensive homes, second homes and so on. To accommodate this unintended consequence the private sector started to create their own MBS. From there it's a matter of false security, shitty modeling of risk, greed/leverage, and stupidity that lead to the bursting bubble.
You can't just look at numbers of MBS from the government, or laws passed, or loans across red lines. You have to look at the relationships between the data and the progression. It all started with politics, government, and the Fed and was fanned by greed and stupidity.
Obama could suck the spine out of a nine-year-old orphan on live TV and then fuck her brainstem and any objection about it would still be met with OMG TEH RACISM!
Kudos, SF, that is the best line I have seen in a long time.
Oh the GOP matches its rhetoric with regard to some laissez-faire policies,...
Unlike the democrats who use rhetoric th feign interest in ordinary people.
These are more widely and hotly despised by the right because, you know, it's "those people" getting help, rather than good wealthy Americans and their corporations who really deserve it.
Wow, just like Tony, who pretends that all that corporate welfare that Democrat politicians create and perpetuate (to "create jobs", of course) that transfer billions from the treasury to their preferred corporate donors is any different.
Jesus Christ, Tony, some chicks I know complain that their jaws get sore from too much fellatio. You never seem to tire.
Liberals are very stupid, always a bore, & the male of the species are spineless. They stand up for nothing unless and until a great number stand up and congregate with them. The extreme leftist are almost always and ultimately cowards.
Not democrats mind you, just the crazed elitist lefties.
Can we stone them?
The left was desperate for there to be a massive racist backlash against Obama. When it was really nothing more than the usual suspects, they had the media invent it for them. Add "confirmation bias" to the long list of concepts they refuse to grasp.
Rodriguez, dude, in 1954 my grandmother was several years younger than i am now. Yeah, she's racist. So what?
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self. That a resulting status anxiety would play itself out on the right more than the left may have to do with the right's general discomfort with the kind of collective identities -- unions, ethnics, gender -- that the left tends to embrace. Instead of finding affiliations to secure their status, the right's "rugged individualists" get mired in the type of anomie that in turn increases the need to reaffirm one's place in a topsy-turvy world.
Wrong.
Doubting the racism is racist!
Cant say as I blame him, he does bring up some valid points!
RT
http://www.anonymous-web.be.tc
Yo, fuck the Dallas Cowboys. And the Patriots while you're at it.
"The personal, deeply vituperative tone of the debate over healthcare reform seems to suggest that Americans' anger is not just about whether a "public option" is part of a reform package. The fear is less about encroaching socialism than it is about getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society. Change isn't slowing down, and the bad news is that these feelings of losing control are not likely to go away any time soon."
Epic. Fucking. Bullshit. Fail.
It isn't a black thing, it is a Marxist thing. I don't blame the overwhelmingly redistributionist black community for believing free money is a long term good thing. I blame the evil powers that are behind this heinous scheme of permenant dependence. The only point I can agree with from the article is, yes, I'm scared shitless of where were headed.
Word. But it's nothing that a liberal (ha!) application of psychobabble can't solve!
Embrace your fecklessness.
A new bio of Warren Harding, who was the victim of a Dem whispering campaign about his "negro ancestors," was released yesterday.
The Harding Affair has details from his love letters to Carrie Phillips (which were supposed to be sealed until 2014) and includes info about her pro-German activities in WWI and his efforts to oppose Wilson's nation-building.
Actually, my respect for Harding went up several notches after reading the book.
Carry on.
The leftist and leftish elites are really hung up on health care reform; they figure the need for the reforms they think Obama is calling for, however vague and half-defined they may be, is so great and so obvious that no logical person could be skeptical of them, and so they assume such skeptics are insane or have ulterior motives.
Or just maybe the reform plans on the table are so incomprehensible that the only way to defend them is ad hominem attacks.
If Obama were a Bengals fan, I'd dig him.
Oh. And John Dean (yeah, that John Dean) is apparently one of the foremost experts on Harding. Weird world, isn't it?
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self.
My sense of self is not affected, at all, by any events in the political sphere. That academics and media types apparently think it goes without saying that it must be, tells me more about them than it does about Americans in general.
The personal, deeply vituperative tone of the debate over healthcare reform seems to suggest that Americans' anger is not just about whether a "public option" is part of a reform package. The fear is less about encroaching socialism than it is about getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society.
Isn't this just a windy version of the bloody-knuckles Dem talking point that opposition to healthcare "reform" should be disregarded because its based on ignorance and hatred?
Liberals claim those who disagree with them do so out of ignorance and racism. Wow, that is a new trend.
My sense of self is not affected, at all, by any events in the political sphere.
All things are political. Democracy means that totalitarianism is simply the difference between "doing okay" and "a good crisis we can't waste".
Of course, that's why we are a Republic. And, of course, that's why the Republic's enemies have worked to destroy republicanism (senator selection by popular election, state powers eroded by law, and state powers eroded by deals-with-the-devil with the federal government in exchange for tax monies).
We are, thank God, an almost unrecognizably different country than in 1954, particularly on questions of racial tolerance, conformity, and the pace of change.
Oddly enough, that mean, racist, wife-beating America managed to put a man on the moon 15 years hence. Enlightened, tolerant, multi-culti America can't even fix it's fucking potholes, let alone duplicate any such feat at any time soon.
Now I understand why The Enlightened so hate the space program. Apollo stands as an indictment and reproach to every thing they stand for.
"The leftist and leftish elites are really hung up on GLOBAL WARMING; they figure the need for the reforms they think Obama is calling for, however vague and half-defined they may be, is so great and so obvious that no logical person could be skeptical of them, and so they assume such skeptics are insane or have ulterior motives.
FTFY
Lefty socialists are every bit as pathetic as they are unpersuasive.
#, I've been pondering the time, not too many years hence, when there are no longer humans living who have walked on the moon.
Charlie Duke, the youngest of the moon walkers, will be 74 next month.
Rodriguez would be a lot better off using Douglas Hofstadter for inspiration. Hofstadter's Law is one of the great aphorisms of all times. Richard seems like a bit of a schwantz.
I'm not that bright. Someone please define "confirmation bias" in this context
If energy production was subjected to the processes necessary to make the mountain from this particular molehill, we could all be wealthy and supergreenies.
Some stuff here on why Hofstadter was a really crappy historian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hofstadter#Criticism
There was a whole class of historians that came out of WWII and did work through the 1950s and 1960s who were really crappy, yet very influential. One of their main flaws was that they tended to do very little archival research. A lot of that has been remedied with the rise of micro-histories and the like.
As much as I love his works as pieces of philosophy, you have to lump Foucault in with Hofstadter as a crappy historian.
I love his pendulum, too...
"Fear of a Black President?" Is that a a little Porcupine Tree reference there Mr. Welch - as I listen to "Fear of a Blank Planet" at this very moment? Or was it just spooky coincidence?
"That's the signpost up ahead..."!
Not that there's anything wrong with that, CN. Do you happen to live in the Short North, by chance? 😛
It's an NWA reference, Steve. Or Public Enemy, or one of those early 90s rap groups that only white people listened to.
I don't blame the overwhelmingly redistributionist black community for believing free money is a long term good thing.
You dirty soft racist of low expectations! If the people were white, or non-black, you refer to them as lazy, worthless piece of shit, no good for nothing white trash, wouldn't you?
Maybe I'm projecting....just a little.
There are rap groups that DON'T write for suburban white teenage guys?!
GOPers and their defenders would have us believe that their dominant demographic consisting of older white southerners has not a racist among them. Fine, I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt on that question. And the attacks on Obama, to the extent that they are racial, are at most dog-whistles. They're not so different from the attacks on John Kerry, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton (that is, filled with scaremongering, and stupid, desperate lies).
But we can't forget that attacks on the evil liberals has historically always had a racial competent, which has gotten ever more subtle as society has shifted. Their strategy can no longer out-and-out attack nigger lovers, though the welfare queen image is still somewhat reliable. Hysterical rants about ACORN, Obama's former pastor, and the dishonest attempt to shift blame for the recession essentially to uppity black people are all part of the same pattern.
Shut the fuck up, Tony.
Tony, i would never say this in any other context, but you really ought to take Warty's advice.
Are you trying to tell me the GOP hasn't made race a central part of its vote-getting strategy for decades? They haven't exactly made it a secret.
Huh. I really hadn't heard that at all. But then, I don't think I'm considered a "racial competent".
Uppity black people? Isn't it Tony and his ilk who imply that black folk are just too damn stupid to make their own economic decisions?
(Not that the GOP doesn't have its share of racists. I hate those bastards, too.)
Strangely, Tony, the biggest cluster of racists I ever ran across was the machinists union members where I once worked. I'm assuming they were mostly Democrats based on the candidate bumper stickers they had festooned on their lockers. But you take your racists one man or woman at a time, not stereotyping them with the groups to which they may belong. Racism, being a form of collectivism, is hardly something one will find with most individualistic libertarians.
""Fear of a Black President?" Is that a a little Porcupine Tree reference there Mr. Welch - as I listen to "Fear of a Blank Planet" at this very moment?"
yeeesh, prog rock fans. the only thing whiter than prog rock fans is white-out, and even white out knows a few public enemy songs. 🙂
The most racist people I know (and I live in Georgia) are also pretty damn liberal. Funny how that works, ain't it.
You see, damn near any group is bound to have racists in it. But I don't go screaming that Obama's health care package is racist, or that opposition to deregulation is racist, or anything of the sort. Idiotic and racist aren't the same thing after all.
What I'm trying to tell you is that I really don't give much of a damn what the GOP is, does, or has. Reason is about Free Minds and Free Markets(tm). Have you even read the Wikipedia entry on Libertarianism? Do you read? Have you heard of Wikipedia?
I really am a tolerant person (though apparent "racial incompetent"), and I think it's cute when kids come and sit at the grown-up table. But you've spilled your water glass twice now, and keep putting french fries up your nose -- young man, where is your mother?
This is not the Friends of Team Red site. Move along, move along.
Are you trying to tell me the GOP hasn't made race a central part of its vote-getting strategy for decades?
We're trying to tell you to shut the fuck up, you utter ass.
Isn't it Tony and his ilk who imply that black folk are just too damn stupid to make their own economic decisions?
To be fair, Tony and his ilk imply that EVERYBODY (who is not them, anyway) is too damn stupid to make their own economic decisions.
Let me indulge in my own bit of pop psychology...
If, as the liberal cant assumes, homophobia is actually unexpressed homosexual urges, then cannot their hatred and belief in the ubiquity of racists be seen as a sign of their own unexpressed racism?
There's plenty who would argue that it's not so "unexpressed".
I just read Root's article linked in the post.
Is Hofstadter Naomi Klein's grandfather?
Unfortunately for you Team Red has adopted your crazy economic ideas to advance its own interests. And the amount of GOP cock that gets sucked on this site as a result of this sliver of a simpatico relationship is enough to confuse anyone.
SHUT THE FUCK UP, TONY
Tony, you really are a special, special person. I'm amazed you can even turn on a computer with your head so far up your own ass as to miss all the comments blasting idiotic GOP ideas and the GOP in general.
Honestly, do you have to fart in order to see the screen?
(SMACK!)
Is Hofstadter Naomi Klein's grandfather?
Did he try to blame everything on Hayek?
and almost immediately Tony confirms SugarFree's hypothesis
Isn't it Tony and his ilk who imply that black folk are just too damn stupid to make their own economic decisions?
Uhmm..no that would be people like John who spout off about how democrats have tricked naive black voters to support them against their better interests when they really should be aligned with that free market loving GOP.
It's also funny how whenever Tony has a valid point the only response is "SHUT UP" or some insult or some lame ass counter example -- LIBERALS ARE TEH RACIST TOO!!!!!!11111
Yeah so what -- that doesn't negate other peoples racism. (And for the record being a member of a union doesn't make you a liberal. It makes you a union member.)
Yeah let's pretend like there are no racists any more. Let's pretend like yelling "ACORN" or "Community Organizer" or all the focus on Obama's pastor had no racial components to it.
Cries of "WE WANT OUT COUNTRY BACK" from people who "want the government out of Medicare" are just people who really hate socialism -- it's completely unfathomable to think that some (many) of them are reacting that way because they seem feel that their position on top of society is being threatened. What with the numbers showing that minorities are the fastest growing segments of society and the election of a black president.
The fact that the when GOP was passing the unfunded Medicare Drug Prescription plan these tea baggers were not even the least concerned about "socialism" should not even be considered when discussing the motivations of these "patriots".
Let's pretend like there is no southern strategy. Let's pretend like the Macaca moments don't exist. Let's pretend like the bile that is spewed towards "illegals" has nothing to do with race. Let's pretend like the claims of "welfare queens" aren't at all racist. It's really just anti-Marxism.
Let's pretend reality is all bullshit.
Rodriguez is no Rich (I mean that in a good way), and I agree that scapegoating the Other is a predictable byproduct of any national trauma, but the questions are how much, and where is the evidence? As I wrote last week, 9/11 was a helluva lot more self-soiling and scapegoat-creating than the vague and apparently perennial sense "getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society," and yet the promised wave of anti-Muslim violence never materialized.
So violence is the only measuring stick of racism? You mean all the anti-muslim sentiment post 9/11 and the verbal harassment aren't examples of a backlash towards muslims post 9/11 ? That would seem to explain why libertarians are so committed to convincing everyone else that racism doesn't exist any more -- I mean I guess that since there are so few lynchings that proves racism is dead?
If townhall protesters were motivated by race, wouldn't they be focusing on the black attorney general's drastic expansion of civil rights litigation?
Because a bigger and better target is the guy at the top, not his choice for AG? Because the Limbaugh's, the Becks, and the Freedomworks and the Insurance lobby folks who are spreading misinformation and talking points are targeting Obama and health care reform - and that's an easier target than going after a DOJ policy of enforcing civil rights violations (and opposing civil rights is kind of a big racist tell?)
Really Mr. Welch you aren't this dumb. You must be playing the fool.
Unfortunately for you Team Red has adopted your
[citation needed]
crazy
[citation needed]
economic ideas to advance its own interests.
A truly free market would serve your interests, my interests, and everybody else's interests too, you disingenuous twat.
and the dishonest attempt to shift blame for the recession essentially to uppity black people are all part of the same pattern.
Tony, like I told my liberal ex-friends, government programs sold on the basis of "helping minorities" can have negative side effects. They can do harm. Disagreeing about one program doing one specific harm is one thing, but saying they cannot EVER do harm is pure BS.
"A govt program aimed at helping minorities wound up doing damage" is an allowable thought.
It's also funny how whenever Tony has a valid point
[citation needed]
Tony = LoneWacko - links + Obama's spooge dripping down his chin
It's also funny how whenever Tony has a valid point
Valid to whom? Oh that's right, you. The sole arbiter of validity.
We reached peak racism a long, long time ago. Are there still racists? Yes. Are they representative of mainstream thought and opinion? Hardly. Does whining to us about them do a goddamn thing other then make you and TrollTony feel superior? No fucking way.
Has ChiTom every answered my question about how much of his own personal wealth he's given to the poor, poor folk he pretends to cares so much about?
Maybe he has, but I've missed it.
Who knows. Perhaps he figures it's OK to not give of his own wealth, since he'll give of yours? I mean, do the poor really give a shit where it comes from?
That LoneWacko guy, now THAT'S a racist.
Is it really a surprise that victim politics is used to shut down all debate? It was bullshit when Bushites did their "but there's a war on" song and dance to curtail criticism and it's bullshit now.
Obama could suck the spine out of a nine-year-old orphan on live TV and then fuck her brainstem and any objection about it would still be met with OMG TEH RACISM!
The fact that the when GOP was passing the unfunded Medicare Drug Prescription plan these tea baggers were not even the least concerned about "socialism" should not even be considered when discussing the motivations of these "patriots".
Bullshit. I was there. The GOP base was fucking livid.
I never made that argument. What I said was that the right tried to blame the recession mostly on people who bought houses they couldn't afford. The rhetoric was not really all that subtle in its tone of racism. Now this was the big lie with regard to the recession. The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs.
But the GOP does this all the time. Not only is it a way of shifting blame away from their own laissez-faire policies, it's another in a long, tedious line of strategies to get their core constituency to blame all their problems on minorities (be they black, latino, or gay) so they don't notice who's really at fault for their stagnant economic situation.
What I said was that the right tried to blame the recession mostly on people who bought houses they couldn't afford. The rhetoric was not really all that subtle in its tone of racism.
Ok, so Tony believes that only black people make bad economic decisions. What a fucking racist.
creech mentioned his union co-workers being liberal and based his assumption on the bumper stickers on their lockers.
The stuff about the Rev Wright and Acorn community organizing were IMO fair questions about difficult topics. It was curious to me that more wasn't made of McCain's use of the word "gooks" in his interview years ago.
Remember, I like Obama and voted for him and his policy promises, not as a slam to the GOP.
Bullshit. I was there. The GOP base was fucking livid.
Agreed, T... but the more important thing for them to realize the the one thing they completely refuse to grasp:
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE WITH REPUBLICANS GO FUCKING FIND SOME
Not that it will do them a bit of good.
...a way of shifting blame away from (GOP) laissez-faire policies...
See, this is all you really need to know about Tony.
Ignore.
"I never made that argument. What I said was that the right tried to blame the recession mostly on people who bought houses they couldn't afford. The rhetoric was not really all that subtle in its tone of racism. Now this was the big lie with regard to the recession. The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs."
So the only idiots who bought houses they couldn't afford did so with government programs?
Trust me, there were a lot of idiots buying houses they couldn't afford. They just didn't all do it with government programs.
And how the fuck do you get racism from people saying folks bought houses they couldn't afford? There are a shit load of white folks who lost their homes because they couldn't afford them too.
And how the fuck do you get racism from people saying folks bought houses they couldn't afford?
Apparently, in Tony's world, only black people are poor. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to drink liquid gold from the fountain inside my palace.
Agreed, T... but the more important thing for them to realize the the one thing they completely refuse to grasp:
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS
True, but I still don't think ChiTom should get a pass on transparently false claims. He'll seize any tiny, perceived inconsistency and throw it against us, but then turn around and lie through his teeth.
Tomcat1066, well duh. That's because white lenders were loathe to lend money to teh blacks. The blacks that were able to get loans from those predatory sharks actually loaning to colored folk still managed to singlehandedly destroy the economy of the whole frickin world.
*end snark*
Another Harding (the first black president) threadjack.
The author believes that the newly uncovered love letters show that it was pressure from his, ironically, pro-German mistress that kept Harding out of the 1916 presidential race, a race he easily could have won. And had he unseated Wilson, it's likely the America-First Harding would have kept us out of World War I.
A very interesting "what if."
And anyway... if go back to the CRA threads that happened here, not in Tony's head, the real argument wasn't "CRA loans wrecked the economy" it was joe v. sanity when he claimed that bad CRA loans "played no part whatsoever in the housing market bubble." And then claimed anyone who didn't believe that bullshit was a racist.
What. The. Fuck.
Please cite these laissez-faire policies.
By "the data", you mean batting statistics from American League farm system? Because the effect of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the FHA (I may be missing a letter there) were pretty, ya know, significant.
Tony brings up an interesting point here. Few people realize that Sibelius lived until 1957 -- amazing when you consider how his sound is embedded in the romanticism and nationalism of the 19th century.
Part of the reason this gets overlooked is that he stopped writing in the late '20s, just as serialism was swinging art music in a very different direction.
Here's what I find intriguing: this was right at the point that Sibelius finally started receiving royalties and became financially secure. So, did he just stop writing because he was old and tired (in his early 60s), or did his earlier financial difficulties keep him focused on cranking out the music?
Oh, this has nothing to do with this site or this topic? Well, if Tony gets to...
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self.
We had a deep economic recession under Clinton?
SF,
And then claimed anyone who didn't believe that bullshit was a racist.
How long ago was that? I think I missed the joe-ieozoic era of H&R.
That's known as the "Joerassic".
If Tony ever had a valid point, I'm pretty sure it would cause his brain to collapse into a singularity.
!,
Here's one. I'm still looking for the really good one.
The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1030hh.html
...As economist Russell Roberts of George Mason University points out, Bank of America reported that nonperforming CRA-eligible loans were a significant drag on its third-quarter 2008 income. Its earnings report states: "We continue to see deterioration in our community reinvestment act portfolio which totals some 7 percent of the residential book. . . . The annualized loss rate from the CRA book was 1.26 percent and represented 29 percent of the residential mortgage net losses." This is a far cry from the advocates' standard line that CRA loans, while less lucrative than standard mortgages, are still profitable....
Damn Suge, joe reminds me of my lovely wife. Dressed head to toe in Smug without regard to the occasion or the season.
You know why I think you guys had a problem with joe? Because you're all racist and he called you on it. 😉
Hey, it's just one guy, but we should ask Dick Hoste his party affiliation.
John McCain's use of the word "gook" refers to communist North Vietnamese - the people that tortured him in a cage. That's why he "got away with it". Gook was the term at the time. Just because your average union worker redneck still uses terms like gook or chink to refer to any Asian person (that threatens to taek their jerb), doesn't mean John McCain was doing the same.
Ah-ha.
joe always ignored the fact that without the CRA, you would have NO blowouts at all. That is, the default rate on CRA loans is zero if you don't make any.
No one ever said the CRA caused the issue, just that it triggered the cascading effect that happens when your next door neighbor' house forecloses.
Which of the GOP's "laissez-faire" policies would those be Tony?
The ones where Bush was the biggest spender, regulator and expander of government in 40 years? Or did you mean some other ones?
Also - I like to make the argument that the CRA and other such programs actually neither caused nor triggered the bubble, but rather Alan Greenspan's idiotic interest rates and expansionist monetary policy actually created the bubble (as it always does), and the CRA and other government attempts at raising home ownership artificially guided that bubble into the housing sector.
Tragically enough, i just noticed that I was arguing with joe about the CRA on my birthday. Wow, that sucks.
HE SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME.
me too
Oh the GOP matches its rhetoric with regard to some laissez-faire policies, but only with regard to social welfare programs. These are more widely and hotly despised by the right because, you know, it's "those people" getting help, rather than good wealthy Americans and their corporations who really deserve it.
What the fuck are you babbling about now Tony? Seriously, are you the only person on this planet who thinks you know what the fuck you're talking about?
The GOP doesn't regard laissez-faire policies as a factor, because they don't want the negative side of laissez-faire economics. Example number one? TARP. Bailing out companies, of any type for any reason, isn't laissez-faire.
Letting the market take care of it and getting the fuck out of the way? Now THAT is laissez-faire.
Tony;
How about you learn the difference between rhetoric, and reality. Mkay?
How about you learn the difference between rhetoric, and reality. Mkay?
Not gonna happen. He bases his support for the donks on reading the DNC platform, not watching what they actually do.
Of course, by this metric, we should be able to convince him of anything since apparently the written word supersedes reality.
Sean,
It is reality that GOP governments have steadily been gutting social welfare programs. Is that what's controversial about my statement? I said in plain English that they do not match their rhetoric with regard to corporate welfare.
Am I in the right place? This article is clearly arguing along the left right adage, adopting right talking points, but swear they aren't republicans. Weird!
It's not a stretch to say that the election of the first black president, as well as the deep economic recession, have challenged Americans' sense of self.
Whose sense of self are we talking about? African Americans who are inclined to connect their own self-esteem with progress for their U.S. Census Bureau category (not a good life strategy, but anyway) would, I think, find the election of the first black president cause for satisfaction, even or especially if the president has turned out to be somewhat less god-like than promised. And while everybody else doesn't have to jump on any feel-good-about-America bandwagons, it's at least a small piece of evidence that this is not the racist, unfair, hateful Amerikkka we have so often been told it is. How is my "sense of self" or any other person's being challenged by having a black president?
Sean, speaking of rhetoric and reality, I'm still waiting to hear about this leftist plot that has been stifling productivity for decades. Can you believe the amount of reports saying it has risen? I'm real worried, maybe you should pick up the red phone, I smell a leftist plot.
It is reality that GOP governments have steadily been gutting social welfare programs.
Name a federal social welfare program where the budget has decreased year on year.
Reagan cut some social programs. Clinton, under the influence of Reagan's evil-government rhetoric, significantly cut back the welfare program. Bush cut education programs. Nobody dared touch medicare or social security.
Problem is social spending isn't the real source of our debt problem (and liberals would argue that they are part of the solution), it's our massive war spending, which Republicans wouldn't dream of cutting back.
Or criticizing as part of Big Government.
"It is reality that GOP governments have steadily been gutting social welfare programs."
Yes indeed Tony, creating a brand new prescription drug entitlement, and ballooning the department of education's budget seems like "gutting" to me!
Oh noez; the fact that you are incapable of learning Econ 101 and doing basic math, much less looking at even something with pretty pictures that shows A. inflation, and B. the number & types of jobs that have disappeared from the United States in the last 50 years is not my fault.
No... you're right though, the stifled production is just something I made up.
Disclaimer: Sorry for feeding stupid troll.
So, you can't name a specific program where the budget decreased year on year, can you?
School lunches under Reagan. There, happy? You won't get an argument out of me by saying that Republicans are big-spending hypocrites. The point I was trying to get at since this is a thread on race is that Republicans have only been able to make cutting government palatable when they could convince enough people that the programs were all about giving handouts to black people.
Tony, Reagan stopped being president 21 years ago. Is that really your most recent example? Christ, you suck.
Carter also seeks legislation which would reduce school lunch subsidies by 400 million.
Umm, which President was that under again?
"Republicans have only been able to make cutting government palatable when they could convince enough people that the programs were all about giving handouts to black people."
Huh? Now... I've been paying attention to this shit for most of my life, and in general that means Bush 1/Clinton onward, but I've never seen that happen, possibly with the exception of anti-affirmative action stuff, but then that kind of has a racial component built in, now doesn't it?
Also what Xeones said.
"giving handouts to black people."
Why do they need handouts?
They don't. They need equality of opportunity.
Equality =/= Affirmative action... I hope you realize that Tony, affirmative action is the opposite of equality. It's tilting the scales, in a more PC direction perhaps, but tilted none-the-less.
The data suggested that the housing bubble was not inflated by any significant degree by government housing programs.
Which data? What was the basis for calculating the inflation of the bubble. The idea of MBS, keeping rates low, and forcing banks across red lines are all clearly documented. The whole goal was to promote home ownership and all the political trappings that come with it. The unintended consequence was the bubble, people bought vacation homes, more expensive homes, second homes and so on. To accommodate this unintended consequence the private sector started to create their own MBS. From there it's a matter of false security, shitty modeling of risk, greed/leverage, and stupidity that lead to the bursting bubble.
You can't just look at numbers of MBS from the government, or laws passed, or loans across red lines. You have to look at the relationships between the data and the progression. It all started with politics, government, and the Fed and was fanned by greed and stupidity.
Their strategy can no longer out-and-out attack nigger lovers, though the welfare queen image is still somewhat reliable.
I swear, this must be a law of nature or something, the ONLY times I EVER hear the N-word uttered it is done so by a liberal.
Obama could suck the spine out of a nine-year-old orphan on live TV and then fuck her brainstem and any objection about it would still be met with OMG TEH RACISM!
Kudos, SF, that is the best line I have seen in a long time.
Unlike the democrats who use rhetoric th feign interest in ordinary people.
Wow, just like Tony, who pretends that all that corporate welfare that Democrat politicians create and perpetuate (to "create jobs", of course) that transfer billions from the treasury to their preferred corporate donors is any different.
Jesus Christ, Tony, some chicks I know complain that their jaws get sore from too much fellatio. You never seem to tire.
That's because I'm good at it.
Liberals are very stupid, always a bore, & the male of the species are spineless. They stand up for nothing unless and until a great number stand up and congregate with them. The extreme leftist are almost always and ultimately cowards.
Not democrats mind you, just the crazed elitist lefties.
Can we stone them?
thanks