Reason Morning Links: Karzai Claims Victory, Rendition To Continue, Missouri Lawmakers Flunk Chemistry

- Karzai claims large victory in Afghanistan; opponents cry foul.

- Obama administration has filled just 43 percent of political appointee positions.

- Fewer people catching up on lapsed mortgages.

- Obama administration will continue overseas rendition for interrogation. They just promise to be more careful this time.

- Missouri legislature accidentally bans Tupperware.

Comments

[hmm]

? Missouri legislature accidentally bans Tupperware.

That's mah state.

[CoyoteBlue]

The white foam coolers commonly called "Styrofoam" are made from expanded polystyrene. But the law bars polypropylene.

See this is why it is completely plausable that some innocent sounding "End-of-Life counseling" would morph into Soylent Green-like euthanasia centers and eventually into masked "Death Panels" clearing out nursing homes to balance the budget.

[FrBunny]

About 10 comments down in the Tupperware story, there is a comment from "NCISaddict".

The internets make me a misanthrope.

[hmm]

? Obama administration has filled just 43 percent of political appointee positions.

Why appoint someone who needs confirmation when you can just make a czar that needs no confirmation and your White House can do the background check.

[Rich]

It gets better.

From kansascity.com: "Sen. Delbert Scott, the main proponent of the restrictions, said he was not aware of the error and blamed a federal rule from which the state borrowed. ... 'When you depend on the federal government to write the stuff, that's what happens. It gets screwed up,' said Scott, a Lowry City Republican."

[Xeones]

'When you depend on the federal government to write the stuff, that's what happens. It gets screwed up,' said Scott, a Lowry City Republican.

THEN WHY DID YOU DEPEND ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT YOU ASSHOLE

[Art-P.O.G.]

Karzai claims large victory in Afghanistan; opponents cry foul.

Hey, if you run on the Libertarian Party of Afghanistan ticket, you'd better get used to not getting more than 1-2% of the vote. But seriously, I'm going to pay extra careful attention and see if there are actually widespread claims of irregularity in every democratic election worldwide.

[SugarFree]

Obama administration has filled just 43 percent of political appointee positions.

Good?

[kyle]

I dated a few cougars in my day and loved it. No drama, great sex and I was not paying for everything all the time. It was really chill. Try this out:
**== Cougarster.com ==**
But let me tell all you young guys that want a cougar. eat your veggies and hit the gym cause they will ware you out.

[Xeones]

Sweet'n'Low, i have a hard time believing it's a coincidence that we got a cougarster.com post right after YOU commented.

[Ska]

Yo, fuck cougars.

No really, go bang some. This website I saw said it was really chill.

[Art-P.O.G.]

THEN WHY DID YOU DEPEND ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT YOU ASSHOLE

You're right, it's supposed to be the "Show Me" State. Like "Show Me these legislators know whatn the hell they're doing."

[Art-P.O.G.]

they will ware you out

So they treat'cha like a gigolo? Cool!

[John-David]

Is Cougarster like Napster? Can I download one, and then delete her and download another, ad nauseam?

[SugarFree]

I know, X. I'm worried a bit by it as well. You write one Nancy Pelosi enema-play story and look what happens.

[MNG]

But are renditions of people to Missouri in large Tupperware containers going to be allowed?

[Xeones]

You write one Nancy Pelosi enema-play story and look what happens.

You reap what you sow, i suppose.

[SugarFree]

Is Cougarster like Napster?

No, all the wrinkles add too much surface area for downloading. You still have to pick them up at your local Medispa.

Bring plenty of lube. Like, go to Costco.

[John teebone]

Wow that is truly amazing! Who would have thunk it??

RT
http://www.anonymity.se.tc

[MNG]

I'm one liberal who can readily admit that Nancy Pelosi is simply nauseating. WTF was up with picking her to be the public face of the Dems in the House, I don't know. I guess it was the whole "woman" thing, but surely there was someone else available.

[Xeones]

but surely there was someone else available.

Nope, politicians really are that utterly tone-deaf and incapable of thought. Good thing we keep giving them more stuff to be in charge of!

[Rich]

they will ware you out

Better not be Tupperware!

[Art-P.O.G.]

You write one Nancy Pelosi enema-play story and look what happens.

She calls you up and suggests that she might be interested?

[John]

"I'm one liberal who can readily admit that Nancy Pelosi is simply nauseating. WTF was up with picking her to be the public face of the Dems in the House, I don't know. I guess it was the whole "woman" thing, but surely there was someone else available."

Because most liberals are not like you. Most of them are like the late Joe Boyle. And they are incapable of ever admitting fault in one of their own. Both sides are bad about it but the Republicans can at least be shamed into sometimes kicking the really embarassing ones out of leadership positions. But Dems won't do it. Why was Pelosi elected speaker and why didn't someone run against Murtha in a primary?

[SugarFree]

MNG,

If it weren't for the constant gaffes and misunderstanding of symbolism on the part of the Democrat, the GOP wouldn't get anywhere.

Of course, Speaker of the House is always going to be on the extremes. You either have a firebrand like Gingrich, who loves the taste of his own foot, or Hastert The Invisible Man.

I imagine Pelosi was pulled in as someone mildly controllable, but her partisanship floated to the surface when she got the bully pulpit.

(You can, of course, be as partisan as you like, but "try not to sound crazy" in public should rule the day... probably.)

[SugarFree]

She calls you up and suggests that she might be interested?

Ew, dude. Granny colonics are not my bag.

[John]

"I imagine Pelosi was pulled in as someone mildly controllable, but her partisanship floated to the surface when she got the bully pulpit."

No, Pelosi has always been known as a partisian crank. She is also known on both sides of the Hill as a truly loathsome person. The woman is a witch in every sense of the word. She neither liked nor respected. I honestly can't figure out how she got the job beyond the desire to have a woman speaker.

[Fluffy]

Is Cougarster like Napster? Can I download one, and then delete her and download another, ad nauseam?

No, you can't do this.

I know this because if you could, there would be no other websites on the internet at all, because everyone would spend all their internet time at Cougarster. Since the rest of the internet still exists, I conclude that Cougarster has no such download feature.

DON'T. DATE. ROBOTS.

[Art-P.O.G.]

Ew, dude. Granny colonics are not my bag.

I'd probably say that, too, if I were you. 😉

[John]

Also, Congress is about power and once you have it it is hard to lose it. How did a crook like Rostinkowski or the two guys from Alaska or Trent Lott ever get to leadership positions? Pure Macheavelian evil, that is how. Given that fact, it is not so surprising a creature like Pelosi could end up as speaker. These are not exactly days of Carl Albert.

[Art-P.O.G.]

Fluffy,

You have an uncanny ability to hit the proverbial nail on the head. 😀

[Balloon Maker]

A granny colonic and a granny enema are NOT the same thing.

One is waaaaay hotter

[brotherben]

I do miss Newt.

[Mike M.]

The best news of the day by far: The Leader's approval ratings have fallen all the way down to 45% in the latest Zogby poll.

[Tim]

Maybe Missouri should just ban littering.

[SugarFree]

A granny colonic and a granny enema are NOT the same thing.

One is waaaaay hotter

Every once in a while, a post makes me want to take a dump the size of a birthday cake. This is one of those posts.

[Groovus Maximus]

Methinks the Saccharin Man doth protest too much.

Hey, there's an idea for an Urkobold(tm) parody: Sing us a song you're the Saccharin Man!

[Art-P.O.G.]

The Leader's approval ratings have fallen all the way down to 45%

I'm surprised his approval rating was ever even that high.

[P Brooks]

Nancy Pelosi cannot be threatened or controlled.
Her taint is already withered. Really, really withered.

[James Ard]

What's with the obscession with everything poopie, SF? If Marsha Blackburn were a cougar, that is one congressgal I'd boink.

[Art-P.O.G.]

Heh heh, we have tarred your good name, Sugarfree!

[P Brooks]

The administration officials, who discussed the changes on condition that they not be identified, said that unlike the Bush administration, they would operate more openly

Anonymous sources brag about their openness. I'm convinced.

[SugarFree]

What's with the obscession with everything poopie, SF?

I go anywhere people are grossed out. But I make one enema joke and we get stuck talking about shit all day.

On a completely different track... tomorrow is the first day of classes. The best day of the year to be a lecherous old man.

[SugarFree]

Heh heh, we have tarred your good name, Sugarfree!

[shriek!]

Obama administration will continue overseas rendition for interrogation. They just promise to be more careful this time.

This can't be true! The Democrats are better on civil liberties than the Bushpigs!

[J sub D]

The Obama administration will continue the Bush administration's practice of sending terrorism suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured, administration officials said Monday.

What positive spin can we put on this?

Turkey and Kazakhistan interrogators far are better trained and will produce more actionable intel than the high school dropouts we've employed at the CIA and FBI?

Obviously a U.S. observer will be present at all interrogations of renditioned suspects to ensure that everything is on the up and up?

Hey if you can't trust the Pakistani secret police to play fair, who can you trust?

Insert Pete Townsend cynical lyrics here.

[Xeones]

The best day of the year to be a lecherous old man.

It's not such a bad time for lecherous young men, either. Ah, those warm days after graduation but before leaving the ol' college town...

[SugarFree]

The Democrats are better on civil liberties than the Bushpigs!

Hitlerpig! Hitlerpig!
Does whatever a Hitlerpig does...
Watch out! Here comes the Hitlerpig.

[SugarFree]

Ah, those warm days after graduation but before leaving the ol' college town...

It's that grace period between high school and shlumping around campus looking like your dirty clothes hamper threw up on you.

I can usually tell you a girl's class rank based on how crappy she looks before 10am.

Whereas boys, of course, look like slobs from day one.

[John]

"What positive spin can we put on this?"

You can't. The fact is no one gives a shit if we mistreat detainees. And that includes most of the people who were screaming "BushPIG!" for the last 8 years.

[Pro Libertate]

Pelosi was a terrible choice for Speaker. I had a little argument with joe about that when she was selected--he taking the position that she was moderate and reasonable goodness; me taking the opposite position. She's such a moron. I think Biden is smarter and more polished than she is.

In fact, I think Koko the Gorilla is smarter and more polished than Pelosi.

[John]

"In fact, I think Koko the Gorilla is smarter and more polished than Pelosi."

RACIST!!

[Art-P.O.G.]

Hey, Sugarfree,

The Hitlerpig's spittle-flecked tirades are anything but humorous.

[SugarFree]

"In fact, I think Koko the Gorilla is smarter and more polished than Pelosi."

RACIST!!

Koko is White?!?

[SugarFree]

The Hitlerpig's spittle-flecked tirades are anything but humorous.

shrike is a fine commenter and totally not a troll.

[John]

"Koko is White?!?"

In the age of Obama any comparison of a person in power to an ape is racists, except of course any reference to chimpymcbushpigler. That is okay.

[MNG]

Whatever policy differences I had with Newt, I always thought he demonstrated that he was a very intelligent man when he talked. I actually remember pundits saying this led to his eventual unpopularity, that he came off as too much of an intellectual.

Not much worry of that with out current Speaker!

[The Angry Optimist]

What I do not understand is that if you are going to do rendition without letting the third-world countries do what American interrogators cannot do...why rendition?

[P Brooks]

Koko the gorilla has a voice which is easier on the ear than Pelosi. And she's pretty.

[MNG]

I mean, think of it at least from a base PR and political position, does filling that position with a Rep from San Francisco really help the Dems with their image in other parts of the nation??? I used to live in VA and trust me, that image of the Party is hard to be associated for candidates down there...

[John]

MNG,

We used to have Moynahan, Bob Kerry, and Gingrich. Now we have Reid, Pelosi and Jim Bunning. It kind of speaks for itself.

[Pro Libertate]

In my weekly, last-minute flurry of research for Monkey Tuesday, I often run across various Photoshopped images that involve Bush being morphed with a lower-order primate.

[P Brooks]

What is the point of having these high-quality gold electrodes if we can't clamp them to anybody's genitals?

[John]

"What I do not understand is that if you are going to do rendition without letting the third-world countries do what American interrogators cannot do...why rendition?"

Because it is about detention as well as interrogation. If we keep them, they will get an ACLU lawyer and a hearing before the Supreme Court. In Turkey they will rot. Also, if Turkey has them and they later claim they were tortured, something Al Quada is instructing its operatives to do, it is Turkey's problem not ours.

[Groovus Maximus]

SF what is the ranking schedule? The more disheveled the higher the class ranking, or vice-versa?

[Joel]

Obama administration has filled just 43 percent of political appointee positions.

Hm. That's weird. Lemme go check something... (opens back door, looks around) Hey! The sun still rises in the morning! How can this be?

Too many political appointees, perhaps?

[Hugh Akston]

From the rendition article:

In an article in Foreign Affairs in the summer of 2007, Mr. Obama wrote, "To build a better, freer world, we must first behave in ways that reflect the decency and aspirations of the American people."

So I guess he's changed his mind on private sector outsourcing as well?

[MNG]

Is Bunning that high up?

Don't get me wrong, I think something similar went on with the Palin choice. If the idea was to energize the base, OK, but if it was to win Hillary voters, then WTF? Most professional women I know were, rightly or wrongly, aghast not inspired when they heard Palin dropping consonants and muddling through questions...I mean, political consultants get paid big bucks and have quite a bit of an apparatus at their disposal for marketing/social science research...How do they get their target audiences so wrong?

[SugarFree]

The more disheveled the higher the class ranking

Basically. Sorority involvement can through the judgments off though. Those girls can often look like they are doing the walk of shame all day long.

[MNG]

Moynihan was a giant. On the GOP side I miss John Warner. I think Dick Lugar is a statesman. Orrin Hatch too. I like Lamar Alexander...On the Dem side Jim Webb is a delight. I like Feingold too.

But there is a lot of chaff in Congress too.

[John]

No Bunning is not that high up. But he is clinincally insane.

[SugarFree]

Is Bunning that high up?

Not really, but he's Kentucky's shame. McDonnell may be evil, but Bunning seems to microstroke his way through every vote.

But Bunning will go back to the Senate again. The KY Dems are running Lt. Gov. Mongiardo, who looks like a Lebanese man-whore and who Bunning clobbered last time. (The money quote of that election? Bunning: "Mongiardo looks like one of Saddam Hussein's sons.")

(Mongiardo is Italian, but it's Kentucky. Damn furriners all look alike.)

[Xeones]

But there is a lot of chaff in Congress too.

Ding ding ding! Friends, i give you... the understatement of the year!

[brotherben]

I still miss Newt. About fifteen years ago, Idaho public teevee carried a bunch of his college lectures. It was fascinating stuff. A politician that was capable of real analysis and conclusions on difficult issues.

[P Brooks]

"Mongiardo looks like one of Saddam Hussein's sons."

That many gold chains?

[Xeones]

It was fascinating stuff. A politician that was capable of real analysis and conclusions on difficult issues.

He also writes alternate history novels about World War II.

[Pro Libertate]

I think this seniority crap is a big problem with Congress. There should be no difference whatsoever--legally or in regards to Congressional rules--between one member and another. I'm not talking about the Speaker or any other Constitutionally recognized office so much as I am these committee chairs and other weird perks for not dying.

Also, maybe it would dilute these jokers' individual power to increase the size of the House.

[The Angry Optimist]

Increasing the size of the House is my solution. If we never limited it, wouldn't the house be like, 30,000 people large?

It would either be awesomely gridlocked or an even bigger clusterfuck sausage factory than it is now. Either way, libertarians still wouldn't win any seats 😛

[P Brooks]

Those girls can often look like they are doing the walk of shame all day long.

The "walk of shame"?

Is that when they're trying to sneak home, all disheveled and bleary, the morning after a night of wanton whoopee-making? Ah, the good old days...

[BakedPenguin]

This website I saw said it was really chill.

I don't know what I been told,
Cougar nookie sure is cold.

[John]

Make the House a super People's congress.

[BakedPenguin]

"but I been told"

Song parody fail.

[The Angry Optimist]

"a night of wanton whoopee-making"?

that only really happens with long-term girlfriends. With one-offs at frat parties, you're lucky enough if she's not so wasted that she doesn't vomit and fall asleep before the lights go off.

[SugarFree]

Bingo, BP. I see a whole lot of it. The worse one was when I was walking to work through the student slum and a girl came out--dressed but carrying her bra and shoes--walked about ten feet from the house and started vomiting.

[Pro Libertate]

TAO,

Of course, if we increase the membership, we need to do something about all the money it costs to support a Congressperson. I say we go virtual. Why do they all need to go to Washington, anyway? It's a nasty, corrupting swamp.

[SugarFree]

Why do they all need to go to Washington, anyway?

The lobbyists can wait in the atrium or the boathouse.

[BrotherBenWhacksAlone]

Pro Lib. I have been saying that very thing for months Here Here Here and Here

What took you so long and why are you trying tyo steal my thunder?

[J sub D]

What I do not understand is that if you are going to do rendition without letting the third-world countries do what American interrogators cannot do...why rendition?

I take it you didn't swallow any of my proposed spins. Surely an Obamatron will be along shortly to give us better ones.

[Meta4]

"Mongiardo looks like one of Saddam Hussein's sons."

I remember those guys shot full of holes spread out naked on a stone slab. It always makes me smile. XD

[P Brooks]

I say we go virtual.

Second Congress!!

[John]

J Sub D,

As I said above, rendition gets you indefinite detention without judicial review. It is about detention more than it is interrogation.

[John]

"I say we go virtual.

Second Congress!!"

It has to be better than second life.

[hmm]

Is that when they're trying to sneak home, all disheveled and bleary, the morning after a night of wanton whoopee-making? Ah, the good old days...

yes.

[SugarFree]

Second Congress!!

"You can look like a gorilla or a dragon or a giant talking penis in the Metaverse. Spend five minutes walking down the Street and you will see all of these."

[hmm]

John | August 25, 2009, 11:11am | #
"I say we go virtual.

Second Congress!!"

It has to be better than second life.

I foresee a virtual fury Congress.

Whatever they did virtually it should be open to the public and PvP oriented.

[P Brooks]

a giant talking penis

Congressman Frank? Is that you?

[brotherben]

J sub,
The questioning of suspected alledged potential future possibly islamic insurgents is a very sensitive and complicated process. It would be hasty for the president to simply end such a delicate mission that is so vital to national interests and the future security of this great nation. If we were to withdraw immediately from this important undertaking, one that I will remind you, the President had thrust upon him by the previous administration, it is difficult to predict what the outcome might be in terms of national security and our struggling economy.

[brotherben]

John, before your head explodes about my referance to former president Bush, please understand that I was speaking in jest.

[Xeones]

Say! What if we started our own virtual Congress right here on the inter-tubes, in competition with the meatspace one in DC? It would probably technically be treason, but still.

[P Brooks]

Can we declare war on California? If so, I'm in.

[Bert]

Labor Leader Named Head of New York Fed

The Federal Reserve chose a labor leader to succeed a former Goldman Sachs executive as the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board of New York's private-sector board of directors.

Denis Hughes, president of the New York state branch of the AFL-CIO, had been serving as acting chairman of the New York Fed board since May, when Stephen Friedman stepped down from the position.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125112547653253819.html

[Ska]

it should be open to the public and PvP oriented.

Imagine what the [HnR] clan would do to people!!

[brotherben]

P Brooks, don't be gettin all hasty now about California. It's where we get all our salad and nuts and a good bit of fruits.

[Bert]

OBAMA PANEL WARNS: SWINE FLU MAY KILL 90,000...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a8_2nrwYD1kM

Sounds like a death panel to me. 😉

[Pro Libertate]

I'm on the record as a long-term advocate of a bigger House and remote legislating. Oh, and for creating a new branch of government--the Censor.

[John]

Second Congress would be just like second life. All the members would be fabulously attractive women who mysteriously all seem to be lesbians.

[brotherben]

John, it is no mystery. The socond congress is all about what the people actually want.

[brotherben]

OBAMA PANEL WARNS: SWINE FLU MAY KILL 90,000...
I got this.

Obama panel warns that at least all the deaths will be people that have no medical care available because the racist, nazi, gun loving, republican militia members shouted down the Obama health care reform.

[hmm]

I'm proud to have never played second life. What's the fun in not slaughtering virtual people and making them cry.

[hmm]

OBAMA PANEL WARNS: SWINE FLU MAY KILL 90,000 UNINSURED PEOPLE!!!

CRISIS!!!1PANIC PASS HEALTHCARE NOW!!!!

[Michael Ejercito]

I have no problem with renditions.

[Warren]

As a resident of Missouri, I can tell you that with the exceptions of St. Louis, Kansas City, and parts of Springfield, the state is populated almost entirely by goat-roping hicks.

[NavyVet]

...the state is populated almost entirely by goat-roping hicks.

You write that as if that is something bad.

[John]

That is only the Northern half of the State Warren. The Southern half is populated by scary hillbillies. Northern Missouri is just an extension of Iowa and Nebraska and Kansas. Southern Missouri is an extension of Arkansas.

[P Brooks]

I have it on good authority (rolls eyes) that Columbia is a genteel, cosmopolitan island in that festering sea of drooling inbred hicks.

[John]

"I have it on good authority (rolls eyes) that Columbia is a genteel, cosmopolitan island in that festering sea of drooling inbred hicks."

One word "Antlers". Anyone who has ever been subjected to MU athletic fans knows what a lie that is. If anything, the polite country people of central Missouri are sujected to a festering island of mouth breathing morons.

[Relevant Simpsons Clip]

Lisa> Why does this flag only have 49 stars?
Granpa> I'll never recognize Missourah!

[James Ard]

Going to high school in far West St. Louis County, we had some of the richest of the rich, Chesterfield and the poorest of the poor, Pond, Grover and Glencoe. Needless to say Steve Carlton's boy and Jackie Smith's girl never hung out with the grubs.

[James Ard]

Although I'm not attending the 25th reunion this weekend, It would be great to go and see all the preppy fucks bald and broke and the country types super successful.

[robc]

Not really, but he's Kentucky's shame.

After the TARP debate/vote, he moved up from "shame" to "greatest KY senator since Clay", IMO.

[robc]

SugarFree,

But Bunning will go back to the Senate again.

Was that a typo or are you not paying attention? Bunning isnt running again.

Dems have Mongiardo (Lt Gov) v Conway (state AG). Mongiardo is going to win the primary (as you said), because being a "ferner" beats being from Louisville.

GOP is Grayson (Sec of State, McConnell lackey, former Clintonite) v Paul (doctor, son of Ron). First polls have Grayson with a surprisingly small lead over Rand Paul. Paul is in a statistical dead heat with either Dem heads up.

[FrBunny]

SF, Bunning isn't running anymore.

[FrBunny]

Curse you robc!

[robc]

Faster AND with more detail.

My mayor-for-life is stepping down to take Mongiardo's Lt Gov spot on the slate in 2011.

I wonder how many votes a gay, jewish, louisvillian running as LT will cost the governor?

[SugarFree]

Really? Awesome. I totally zone out state politics. I just sort of unconsciously reject that it is real.

Maybe I am Kentucky's shame. 🙁

[robc]

I should be careful with my rumor-mongering. The last Lt Gov I thought was gay turned out to just have really, really high standards (He knocked up Miss America before her term was quite over).

[robc]

SF,

Rand Paul set a single-day online KY moneyraising record with a money bomb last week.

Apparently they are planning a 2nd one for Nov 5.

His website says "$2 million to win", I guess that is their goal. At $736k right now.

[SugarFree]

robc,

Rand Paul set a single-day online KY moneyraising record with a money bomb last week.

Interesting. May have to send him some cash. His first name alone will bring out the crazies in hilarious droves.

[robc]

First KY senate poll.

[FrBunny]

Rand Paul set a single-day online KY moneyraising record

Of course the previous record was $19 from a lady who thought she was ordering a Snuggie.

[robc]

Check out Paul's #s in the 18-34 category. If we could get people my age or older to not vote, he wins in a landslide.

[robc]

Is ChiTom around?

here is USPS tracking info for a package delivered to me a short while ago:

Date Time Location Event Details
August 23, 2009 03:52:00 PM --- Arrival Scan
August 20, 2009 09:03:09 PM Lexington KY US Shipment has left seller facility and is in transit

The amount of useful information missing is awesome. I love the arrival scan on the 23rd at the secret location. Was my package at Area 51?

[robc]

If anyone cares, my delivery was Snow Crash, Juggler of Worlds, and an HDMI cable.

No, I dont know why I havent read Snow Crash yet.

[JB]

I can't wait to see Obama prosecute himself.

[Pro Libertate]

robc,

How synchronicitious of you! I'm reading Juggler of Worlds right now.

[Xeones]

Maybe I am Kentucky's shame. 🙁

Probably.

[The Angry Optimist]

Maybe I am Kentucky's shame. 🙁

That's a really low opinion of yourself.

Kentucky is Shame.

[SugarFree]

Discussion thread at bottom of the Juggler of Worlds Amazon page.

Tyler James says:
Hi,

I'm 15 and just wanted to know if anyone has read any good adventure books that have no sex scenes in them.

I'm currently reading some Alistair MacLean, the Clive Cussler Oregon Files, James W Huston, David Morrell and John Lescroart.

If someone can help me it would be great.

Thanks,

Tyler

P.S. (If you respond, can you please tell me how much swearing is in the books you recommend)

[hmm]

Ain't nothin' wring with goat-ropin' hicks. You have to be a little leery of what some of them do with them once they are roped, but heh to each their own.

[Pro Libertate]

SugarFree,

Well, Juggler of Worlds has an orgy than an ARM agent is spying on at one point. It might not have any swearing, since Niven uses fake swear words.

[Hugh Akston]

robc, I just started reading Snow Crash.

Warren (& any other [sub]urban MO apologists]:The only appreciable difference between rural and cityfolk Missourians is that in the latter case it's a skanky girl instead of a goat. And the goat you don't have to get drunk first.

Sugarfree: Whatever KY thinks of you, we'll always be proud of you. As long as you occasionally contribute more to the conversation than references to shitraping cougars.

[robc]

Pro Lib,

Tanj! is fake?

[Hugh Akston]

hmm: I'm pretty sure Warren used an "o" where an "a" should have gone.

[SugarFree]

As long as you occasionally contribute more to the conversation than references to shitraping cougars.

You ask too much of me, good sir.

[Pro Libertate]

Well, invented, anyway.

[robc]

Pro Lib,

I just finished rereading Destiny's Road and Im trying to figure out how to work "birdfucker" into my vocabulary.

Note for Tyler James: DR has lots of sex and swearing.

[Pro Libertate]

I wish Niven could hit a home run again like he used to. It's tough competing with yourself, though, especially when publishers push you to write sequels or in previously successful settings.

Juggler of Worlds has a lot of not-Niven feeling to the writing. At least, it does to me.

[robc]

Pro Lib,

As a solo writer, Niven shines in the short story/novella format. Even his best novels have weaknesses.

However, combining his genius with a good writer works wonders.

[SugarFree]

robc,

You win anything at the fair?

[Paddy]

"Kentucky is Shame."

That's crazy talk. Any well traveled person will tell you that the friendliest people in the world live in Kentucky.

[robc]

SF,

First in German Wheat. Again.
Honorable mention in dark lager.

[SugarFree]

Woo! I hope you are wearing your ribbons to work.

[robc]

SF,

I dont get them until fair is over. And they go in the display (along with the 1st place mug) with the others.

[Pro Libertate]

robc,

Don't get me wrong--I'm a Niven fan. Even much of the later stuff. And I agree, his shorter fiction is generally his best.

[TrickyVic]

Can you still buy whiskey at the 7-11 in MO?

[Space Fiend]

If Rand Paul actually became a Senator...

honestly I don't know how to finish the sentence I would be so amazed.