Rush Limbaugh is the King of the GOP, and the King is Dead
Media pundit Michael Wolff in Vanity Fair is amazed at the shocking return of Rush Limbaugh's importance--but is sure it's a last gasp for a dying king. The rundown:
Rush's much-vaunted audience of 14 million was down from its high of 20 to 25 million during the Clinton years to closer to cable-TV size. The view at MSNBC was that, on a minute-by-minute basis, Limbaugh's audience was now no bigger than that of its liberal stars, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow…..
But by clever attention getting moves like declaring his desire to see Obama fail, and a crowd-pleasing CPAC speech aired on Fox, this year
He'd become, second only to the fortunes of the new president, the biggest political story going, one loved equally by right and left. By the right because he so infuriated the left, and by the left because he so discomfited Republican moderates. He was the perfect political lightning rod, polarizing but entertaining too.
But where can he go from here? Not far, Wolff thinks:
The dirty little secret of conservative talk radio is that the average age of listeners is 67 and rising, according to [Air America founder Jon] Sinton—the Fox News audience, likewise, is in its mid-60s: "What sort of continuing power do you have as your audience strokes out?"
You can begin to make plausibly large statements about the end of—or at least a crisis in—conservative media. "There are fewer advertisers, fewer listeners, shrinking networks, shallower penetration," says Sinton. "A lowering tide lowers all ships."
What's more, it's the Internet that is the fast-growing and arguably more powerful political medium—and it is the province of the young and liberal. The only sensible market view of conservative talk is that it will contract and be reduced, in the coming years, to a much more rarefied format.
So while Rush is rising high as the de facto leader of the opposition, it's likely his last gasp of importance:
"How far will he go? You don't know what might come out of his mouth. What if he truly goes to war against the leadership? He could, you know, if he wanted to just split the party. Walk out with the hard-core conservatives. He could and he knows it," said my moderate-Republican interlocutor.
At least he can until the demographic reality catches up with him. "It's a last hurrah," says Sinton, "because it isn't and has never been first and foremost about politics. It's always been about radio. And that endgame is written."
I'm not sure I agree with this assessment that Rush is on his last crusade; while his power to actually sway American politics depends largely on how well the American people decide Obama has navigated/mitigated the crisis, Limbaugh's aging crowd does have disproportionate electoral importance, and while "radio" may be dying, the spread of news and entertainment through the human voice over some medium or another still has life in it--I'm sure at least as much life as Rush's corporeal form.
Michael Moynihan from last month on the recent wave of kissing Rush's newly svelte behind amongst GOPsters.
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It sounds like Michael Wolff is trying to cash in on Rush's renewed importance. Wanker.
I guess Rush pioneered a certain type of AM radio back in the '90s, but today he's not even that good at being Rush anymore. Glen Beck is more entertaining as Rush.
I guess Clear Channel is paying him almost 40 million a year because he has no future.
Detroit, my old home, was (I believe) one of Limbaugh's first stations and for years I found him enormously entertaining. He used to identify himself as a conservative rather than a Republican and would take regular shots at Bush I. The first Clinton years he was still quite an entertainer. But then he openly associated himself with the Republicans and "Mr. Newt," and he stopped being funny. He failed to even notice Gingrich's downfall and all the broken promises of the "Contract." Then came his drug war hypocrisy, and by the time he started constantly beating the war drums I couldn't stand the sound of his voice.
So, basically - Rush Limbaugh still has a show? Who knew?
It amazes me that people think this much about him, or ever have, who don't feel directly threatened by him (Obama?).
I usually agree with him, but I don't take his word for anything. He conveys news and his analysis over the course of several hours; sometimes more of a revival preacher, sometimes more a poll worker, but seemingly cognizant (perhaps principled) of what he's saying.
I guess I don't understand the celebrity treatment, even though I caught his TV show on occasion. Does that turn all this talk of "importance" in a different direction than I'm thinking?
Rush is a great american.
He's a large American. There's a difference.
I love Rush. For crying out loud he has had links to Ayn Rand books on his website for years. And I first heard Walter Williams on Rush's show. He has exposed millions of people to libertarian thought.
I guess Clear Channel is paying him almost 40 million a year because he has no future.
A market actor making a dumb decision? Nah, never.
Comparing Olbermann and Maddow to Limbaugh is apples-and-oranges, because it's TV vs. radio. Better to compare Limbaugh with his radio competition (Air America etc.), which he crushes as far as I know, and the Fox talkers with MSNBC, where again the lefties are crushed in the ratings.
He's a has been who's only listened to when he makes some boneheaded comment. He's in radio of all media to be in right now, and his website gets fewer hits than at least a couple dozen better produced, better written, BETTER LOOKING conservative sites.
Pfft, everyone knows that Ann Coulter is the new GOP hotness. When she's not winning the Kentucky Derby that is.
Mr. Limbaugh is very entertaining and educational. For instance I learned about "Hostis Humani Generis", or enemies of all humanity.
Today we reward pirates, both on the high seas and in the halls of government.
Masterchief: I think Joel puts it best. He used to be a genuine small-government conservative, but then hitched his horse to the Republican party. Now he's dangerous to libertarians because he will talk about being capitalist and laissez faire and small government while supporting policies that are the antithesis of such.
He has a daytime radio show. Of course his audience is going to be retiree-tilted.
And a founder of Air America quoted as an expert on the talk radio market? Uh-huh. Let's go consult Joseph Hazelwood about piloting oil tankers, Bob Dole about running a presidential campaign, and Robert McNamara on military tactics.
Wolff's message is not news. Rush Limbaugh has himself been saying since he started that he's all about radio, not politics. This is political theater.
"67 and rising, according to [Air America founder Jon] Sinton" No bias there. Nope, Jon Sinton has nothing to gain for Rush going down.
Average age 67, what horseshit. Rush is still number one on radio because he is the best.
Deal with it.
"Media pundit Michael Wolff in Vanity Fair is amazed at the shocking return of Rush Limbaugh's importance--but is sure it's a last gap for a dying king. The rundown:"
I don't want to think about Limbaugh's last gap.
'Young and liberal' - says a lot. While certain aspects of political culture probably are going to stay somewhat left, broadly speaking people get more conservative as they get older. The people watching Fox News in 20 years will be the young punks laughing at the Daily Show today. And they will complain about how liberal their kids are.
I wonder what age Paul Harvey's average listener was thirty years ago.
I used to like conservative talk radio when it was just Rush and a few local guys here and there. But today they just creep me out. Rush is a frickin moderate when it comes to right-leaning talk. Hannity is nuts, Savage is an unapologetic racist, Boortz things warfare is the definition of liberty, and Beck is pandering to the troofers. Sigh.
Yeah, Brandybuck, anti-immigration is racist, not protectionist; and apocalyptica is just bat-shit insane, not a way to deal with the collapse of the modern state. Fucking nutbags. Why can't they just be like those handsome socialists in Hollywood?
Glen Beck is more entertaining as Rush.
Glen Beck is the greatest crazy guy on public access TV ever. Better even than Reverend X. It's great that they gave him a wider audience.
Uh-huh. Let's go consult Joseph Hazelwood about piloting oil tankers, Bob Dole about running a presidential campaign, and Robert McNamara on military tactics.
Or ask Sonny Bono for skiing tips. Or hire John Denver for flying lessons. Or use Dick Cheney as a hunting guide. Or take swimming lessons from Natalie Wood. Or consult Karen Carpenter about your diet.
I ostracized myself from the blogosphere back in the pleistocene era, but even I have to take issue with the fiction that the internet belongs to the "young and liberal."
I'm not really a Rush fan. But with logic like this:
"The dirty little secret of conservative talk radio is that the average age of listeners is 67 and rising, according to [Air America founder Jon] Sinton-the Fox News audience, likewise, is in its mid-60s: "What sort of continuing power do you have as your audience strokes out?""
It's not to damn hard to see why the left can't even come close to the right leaning programs. No one ever shifts their political stance or radio/TV habits.
The average age is 67? Holly crap, that means half the people may be even older than that. And even the 67 year olds will be 68 next year. Then he's really screwed.
I'm thinking of becoming a media analyst.
Yeah, let's listen to Air America's founder on Rush demographics, the guy who couldn't even sell American socialism to European radio audiences.
Conservatives suck as much as liberals. I'd like to see the day neither have any significance. Big fat annoying Rush Limbaugh or big fat annoying Michael Moore. Same thing as far as I'm concerned. Fat annoying and WRONG.
The average age is 67? Holly crap, that means half the people may be even older than that.
No, it would mean that if it were the median age.
Michael Moore works like a christian archaeologist: he has faith in a belief and sets out to find "evidence" of its factuality.
No, it would mean that if it were the median age.
Don't think I didn't see that coming. You missed the intentional and inherently nonspecific word "may". A person who uses "may" is a coward can never be wrong. I'm not sure what I meant by "Holly". Maybe she's pretty.
It is interesting to watch my peers (highly educated 30-somethings from a very purple state) shift leftward as the years pass by. I have always been one of the more conservative, yet I am now well left of center...and so are my friends. The Republicans have lost an incredible amount of support among educated members of my generation and those younger than me.
The average age is 67? Holly crap, that means half the people may be even older than that.
All "may" be equivocation aside, if the average age really is 67 (which I have a hard time believing) you can bet more than half of them would be older still. Each 27 year-old listener (however few) is more likely balanced by four 77 year-olds than a single 107 year-old.
That and being involved in libertarianism seems incongruous to me. How do you define your left leaning in terms other than welfare to individuals or companies?
What is this a winger convention?
Anyone up for some teabagging?
No thanks Tony. Last time, you nibbled a little too hard for my liking.
"Dirty little secret" my ass. Everybody in radio knows the audience for talk is old. So, for that matter, is the audience for classical music, Big Band, and NPR. Duh.
Young people are too busy listening to contemporary music stations to care about Talk.
Did a wigger pull your pants halfway down and stick his balls in your crack or something? Please explain your obsession with teabagging in fewer than 500 words, and you're not allowed to mention Barry's suit even once.
I'm not sure I agree with this assessment that Rush is on his last crusade; while his power to actually sway American politics depends largely on how well the American people decide Obama has navigated/mitigated the crisis, Limbaugh's aging crowd does have disproportionate electoral importance, and while "radio" may be dying, the spread of news and entertainment through the human voice over some medium or another still has life in it--I'm sure at least as much life as Rush's corporeal form.
Is his streaming audio so small that it does not count, or was that just ignored by the writer?
Did not notice any mention. Apologies if I just passed over it.
I have to wonder what the definition of listener is.
Several times a month I may listen to El Rushbo for about 5 to 10 minutes as I drive while running an errand during lunch. Am I counted as a listener? I find the guy funny and a buffoon at the same time. Moreover, I don't think he takes himself a seriously as the left do. I think his tongue is pressed firmly in his cheek much of the time.
As far as an average age of 67 goes, like no shit. Who else is available to listen between to daytime radio but old folk?
BTW, the hash marks in my shorts are more entertaining than Oberman.
i The Republicans have lost an incredible amount of support among educated members of my generation and those younger than me.
This is because you have spent most of your life being turned into a mangina by your teachers in public school. Don't worry, you probably are a very nice, sensitive, new age guy.
For prognostication of political radio trends, I think I'd go elsewhere than Joe Sinton. He thought Air America would succeed.
Although I've never been a Limbaugh fan, I could tolerate him in small doses during the Clinton years. I'd prefer libertarian dissent, but at least it isn't the usual lovefest.
Uh-huh. Let's go consult Joseph Hazelwood about piloting oil tankers, Bob Dole about running a presidential campaign, and Robert McNamara on military tactics.
Or ask Sonny Bono for skiing tips. Or hire John Denver for flying lessons. Or use Dick Cheney as a hunting guide. Or take swimming lessons from Natalie Wood. Or consult Karen Carpenter about your diet.
Or Paul Ehrlich on population trends. Or Robert Zuccaro on bull markets.
My public school education turned me into a pussy? I had no idea. I guess I'll go find me some hot home schooled stud.
What's more, it's the Internet that is the fast-growing and arguably more powerful political medium-and it is the province of the young and liberal.
...and will remain eternally so? I bet your average TV viewer was young and liberal in 1955, too. For some unknown reason, that changed as the years passed.
People don't get more conservative as they age. They simply don't change their beliefs as rapidly as society does. Today's young liberals will grow up to be tomorrow's liberal majority.
"What if he truly goes to war against the leadership? He could, you know, if he wanted to just split the party. Walk out with the hard-core conservatives. He could and he knows it."
I love this line of thinking that seems to be so common in discussions about Rush. I love it because it's obviously complete bullshit. Leftists seem obsessed with crediting Rush with far more political influence than he actually has--if Rush had half the power leftists ascribed to him, the republican party would not have made most of the decisions it made over the last eight years, and wouldn't have chosen McCain as its presidential candidate. For better or for worse.
The libertarians are despairingly watching their electoral hopes sink forever as most young don't go in for their peculiar idea that freedom means the right to work for chump change, pollute, eat contaminated meat, and read Atlas Shrugged.
I used to listen and think he was funny during the Clinton years. Then I started really looking at things from a different perspective. Look at his website. He puts himself above his country. He is most interested in what the press is saying about him. He has a narcissism complex of some sort. I pity him. I'd say he's a very lonely man. Operation chaos? Pictures of him in is Operation Chaos uniform saluting the dittoheads? Have you ever looked at the "museum" on his website? The man wants control. He takes credit for taking down politicians he didn't like. He's a great American? He and Hannity point out "great Americans" to people. Don't tell me who is a great American.
To paraphrase Heinlein: the danger of predicting future societal trends, is that you might live long enough to be proven wrong.
That being said, I think the largest trend is the decline in party affiliation over all. The Democrat Party is just sinking more slowly than the Republican party. So, will we live to see a boom of Independent candidates running internet campaigns on a shoe string budget? It's either that or having an ever smaller class of party faithful ruling an ever more alienated public.
Rush's audience is increasing. I doubt your's is, well, minor exceptions. sorry.