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Don't Forget the Motor City…Where You Can Buy a House for Cheaper Than a Car

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This stat is five weeks old, but it was new to me:

The median price of a home sold in Detroit in December was $7,500, according to Realcomp, a listing service.

Not $75,000. Remove a zero—it's seven thousand five hundred dollars, substantially less than the lowest-price car on the new-car market.

More hellscape-like details about the Motor City, from the Chicago Tribune:

Early peak, long decline

One-third of the population lives in poverty, and almost 50 percent of children are in poverty, according to data from the Detroit-Area Community Indicators System. Median household income has dropped 24 percent since 2000, according to the Census Bureau.

New York bond-rating houses this month lowered the city's bond rating to junk status, a lowly assessment shared by New Orleans and few others.

On a positive note, Detroit's homicide rate dropped 14 percent last year. That prompted mayoral candidate Stanley Christmas to tell the Detroit News recently, "I don't mean to be sarcastic, but there just isn't anyone left to kill." […]

Detroit, which has lost half its population in the past 50 years, is deceptively large, covering 139 square miles. Manhattan, San Francisco and Boston could, as a group, fit inside the city's boundaries. There is no major grocery chain in the city, and only two movie theaters.

Link via Slate's Newmans Own blog. Shikha Dalmia on what Detroit can learn from Bangalore here.

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  1. The Greatest American Hero played baseball?

  2. Detroit, which has lost half its population in the past 50 years, is deceptively large, covering 139 square miles. Manhattan, San Francisco and Boston could, as a group, fit inside the city’s boundaries.

    Holy shit. The place must be a ghost town.

    There is no major grocery chain in the city, and only two movie theaters.

    WHAAA??? In Manhattan I had 4 movie theaters and 4 grocery stores (a Food Emporium, two Gristede’s, and a D’Agostino) within 4 blocks (both street and avenue).

  3. On a positive note, Detroit’s homicide rate dropped 14 percent last year. That prompted mayoral candidate Stanley Christmas to tell the Detroit News recently, “I don’t mean to be sarcastic, but there just isn’t anyone left to kill.”

    FTW.

  4. Epi –
    Have you seen those photos of the middle of detroit where you can’t tell that you’re in a city or somewhere there used to be houses?

  5. I think there’s something wrong with these stats. You have to distinguish between the City of Detroit, with c 900,000 population, failing schools, a mayor just out of jail and amazing potholes (where I work) and the Detroit Metropolitan Area, made up of dozens of surrounding small towns and villages (some with famous names, like Grosse Pointe, where I live), located in three different counties (four if you include Ann Arbor), with almost four million population.
    Many of those who live in Metro Detroit consider that we’re all in this together (for example, a large hunk of our economy depends on the economic health of the car industry–yikes!) The Detroit City Council, on the other hand, fights all attempts at regional cooperation because ‘they’ are taking over ‘our’ institutions. ‘They’ are, of course, also white.
    But then, there are folks in the greater Detroit area who never venture south of the famous Eight Mile boundary. Even to see world-class jazz, the Detroit Symphony, techno, the Red Wings, the Tigers (nobody’d want to see the Lions…)
    This is a weird, screwed up place, and articles like this make it sound like Detroit proper is all that’s here. But those of us who live here kinda like it.

  6. “Detroit, which has lost half its population in the past 50 years, is deceptively large, covering 139 square miles. Manhattan, San Francisco and Boston could, as a group, fit inside the city’s boundaries. There is no major grocery chain in the city, and only two movie theaters.”

    I have the perfect solution for Detriot – and for the nation’s overcrowded prison system.

    Just wall in the whole city and give it the “Escape from New York” treatment.

  7. The Greatest American Hero played baseball?

    “Believe it or not, I’m walking Aurelio Rodriguez, never thought I could be so slo-op-y…”

  8. Got a link, moose?

  9. Holy shit. The place must be a ghost town.

    OTOH, when they shoot the remake of Night of the Comet, they’ll have a ready-made city to film in.

    Alas, but no Chakotay this time.

  10. St. Louis, another great victim of the White Flight, is seeing its first downtown grocery store (not liquor store or gas station, Google maps!) this fall. There are some slowly gentrifying neighborhoods, but mostly the place is a ghost town on weekends and holidays.

    A developer with enough capital and the right vision could clean up in Detroit.

  11. Have you seen those photos of the middle of detroit where you can’t tell that you’re in a city or somewhere there used to be houses?

    Reinmoose–I go past those areas every day on my way to work. Don’t even notice them any more. And there are pheasants in some of the empty fields–scared the bejeezus out of me the first time one broke cover in front of my car.
    I’m not saying the official ‘city’ of Detroit isn’t f***ed up, just that there’s much more to ‘Detroit’ in the larger sense than the article lets on.

  12. Holy shit. The place must be a ghost town.

    I was in Detroit about 6 months ago for a Bachelor Party (We went to the Tigers game and then went to Windsor for strippers and booze)

    Detroit was the most depressing place I have ever been to. It really did look like a ghost town.

    There were some older beautiful buildings and lovely architecture — and most of them were boarded up and abandoned.

    The nicest part was the 3 or 4 blocks around Comerica Park and Ford Field — Greektown was ok too, but dark and dirty.

    We stayed at a Hotel Casino — the Casino was always busy.

  13. They should legalize prostitution, drugs & gambling in the city, for when Nevada is too warm.

  14. Look at Google Earth satellite of Detroit sometime. Very, uh, impressive how much nice, green open space there is in the city limits.

    I remember J sub D commenting on how not only wildlife but predators (foxes, etc) have become common sights within the city limits. Nature is returning.

  15. Ashes to ashes; dust to dust . . .

  16. Epi –
    I’m looking, but can’t find what I had

  17. One-third of the population lives in poverty, and almost 50 percent of children are in poverty, according to data from the Detroit-Area Community Indicators System.

    Must be because of all those tax breaks Michigan gave to the super rich . . . Oh, wait, not.

  18. A developer with enough capital and the right vision could clean up in Detroit.

    Not as long as the city government is run by kleptocratic leeches. Which is going to be forever, it seems.

  19. I love Night of the Comet… 80’s teen comedy rip-off of The Omega Man, Night of the Triffids, and The World, The Flesh, and The Devil. Why can’t all the rip-offs and remakes we are currently going through be even half this clever?

    The best shot from the movie. Hot.

  20. A developer with enough capital and the right vision could clean up in Detroit.

    Omni Consumer Products tried.

  21. You screwed up the link, NutraSweet. Why are you such a failure?

  22. Stupid screwed up link.

    I don’t cut n’ paste links so good.

  23. SF–Your link is borked, but I presume it is of the lovely Catherine Mary Stewart?

  24. “Stanley Christmas” is an awesome name. That is all.

  25. You screwed it up again. This is too good.

  26. Why are you such a failure?

    I was raised by the women who run with wolves.

  27. Can we call this SugarFree’s law? Screwing up a link more than once?

  28. Can we call this SugarFree’s law? Screwing up a link more than once?

    It has become a thing.

  29. MOTHERFUCKER!

    Third fucking try.

    If this doesn’t work, I’m giving up links for the rest of the day.

    JW,

    Sounds about right. I don’t screw up links for weeks, but once I start I can’t seem to stop.

  30. Maybe SurgarFreeing as in “Damn! I keep SugarFreeing the stoopid link!”

  31. Maybe SurgarFreeing as in “Damn! I keep SugarFreeing the stoopid link!”

    Yes, as it’s not a law, it’s an action. A very retarded action. I like this. Of course, I would say that I NutraSweeted the link, but that’s just me.

  32. I was in Detroit last weekend, and decided to drive around exploring on my way from Downtown to the Institute of Art. I ended up in some not-so-nice areas where houses were priced below the median. I still wouldn’t buy them. (It’s a shame, because many of them still have the shadow of their former gorgeous architecture.)

    While there, I caught Watchmen in one of those two movie theaters. I’ve never been in a theater where people cheer and clap at a rape scene before, much less shout encouragement to the screen. I heard a prepubescent kid tell the Comedian not to take shit from a bitch like that.

    Geoff’s right about the bizarre relationship between the city proper and the larger metropolitan area. While at the conference my booth was next to the Visitor’s Bureau booth, and the young black woman staffing it pretty much berated the crazy inherent to the city council. She loves living downtown, but the young, educated white people in her neighborhood are the kind of people the city government is paranoid about.

  33. SF–You’re insane. You picked the blonde over her?

  34. Maybe SurgarFreeing as in “Damn! I keep SugarFreeing the stoopid link!”

    How about “dieting”? As in, diet sweeteners? Why make up a clumsy verb when you can take a verb which was minding its own business and saddle it with responsibilities that are only barely related to the original?

    “Damn! I keep dieting that stupid link!”

  35. (Guitar Solo Intro)

    I feel uptight on a Saturday night.
    Nine o’ clock, the radio’s the only light.
    I hear my song and it pulls me through.
    Comes on strong, tells me what I got to do
    I got to.

    Get up!
    Everybody’s gonna move their feet.
    Get down!
    Everybody’s gonna leave their seat.
    You gotta lose your mind in Detroit, Rock City.

    Get up!
    Everybody’s gonna move their feet.
    Get down!
    Everybody’s gonna leave their seat.

    Getting late,
    I just can’t wait.
    Ten o’clock and I know I gotta hit the road.
    First I drink, then I smoke,
    Start up the car, and I try to make the midnight show.

    Get up!
    Everybody’s gonna move their feet.
    Get down!
    Everybody’s gonna leave their seat.

    (Guitar Solo)

    Movin’ fast, doin’ 95.
    I hit top speed but I’m still movin’ much too slow.
    I feel so good, I’m so alive.
    I hear my song playin’ on the radio,
    It goes–

    Get up!
    Everybody’s gonna move their feet.
    Get down!
    Everybody’s gonna leave their seat.

    (Drum Solo)

    (Guitar Solo)

    Twelve o’clock, I gotta rock.
    There’s a truck ahead, lights starin’ at my eyes.
    Oh my God, no time to turn.
    I got to laugh ’cause I know I’m gonna die.
    Why?

    Get up?
    Everybody’s gonna move their feet.
    Get down!

    (Guitar Solo)

  36. JW, NutraSweet’s racist hatred for Canadians dominates all his decision making.

  37. JW,

    Thick eyebrows and a manjaw do nothing for me. And besides, the real draw of Kelli Maroney is the fact she is a cheerleader with a MAC10. Maroney herself is really only medium attractive, but she did star in the fantastically bad Chopping Mall.

  38. A developer with enough capital and the right vision could clean up in Detroit.

    I have no idea how much money it would take to turn Detroit into a town that people would want to live in, but I suspect that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet together couldn’t manage it.

  39. Epi, Maroney’s from Minnesota. That’s South Canada. So much for your thesis.

  40. Does this mean the UAW is as powerful a destructive force as Hurricane Katrina?

  41. You can equivocate all you want, dude, but technically it’s the US and we all know your dislike of man jaws and unibrows is merely a manifestation of your repressed homosexuality and love of Ewoks.

    Just be yourself, dude. It’s cool. We’ll all accept you.

  42. Stagman,

    More so. At least people voluntarily go to New Orleans.

  43. “Epi, Maroney’s from Minnesota. That’s South Canada. So much for your thesis”

    No, Minnesota is Way Norther Louisiana

  44. Nah, eyebrows can be plucked and the jaw, that’s what makes or breaks beauty. No jaw != teh win.

  45. I’m the Ewok-fucker? Hardly. You need to stop projecting your perversions on others. There’s a reason all the teddy bears in your house need their assholes sewn up. (Hint: It’s because you fuck teddy bears. Teddy-bear-fucker.)

  46. Ashes to ashes; dust to dust . . .
    Funk to funky

  47. A developer with enough capital and the right vision could clean up in Detroit.

    The problem to me is that there is a lack of any industry and jobs in the detroit area.

    Other than the car companies what do they produce in detroit? There isn’t much of a service industry since there aren’t enough customers to patronize any businesses.

    So even if someone wanted to live in Detroit — where would they work?

  48. Better a teddy bear than an Ewok, you sick fuck. Warwick Davis is in that suit, you midget rapist.

    See, I just totally pwned you. (joe isn’t here to say stupid shit like that and somebody has to step up to the plate.)

  49. Episiarch,

    I’ll use your full name so you won’t get confused:

    I’m frequently considered the most intelligent commenter on the board and no one ever cares what you think. You couldn’t pwn me on the pwniest day of your life even if you had an electrified pwning machine.

    I win! I win!

  50. “Martin Luther King was not your teddy bear.”

  51. Legalize prostitution and drugs in Detroit as Jerry suggested above, and it will be the richest city in America in a decade.

  52. “(joe isn’t here to say stupid shit like that and somebody has to step up to the plate.)”

    Maybe he’s dead. Maybe he had cancer and finally succumbed, after a brief remission during which he made his final posts. He was mighty angry near the end and anger is one of the 5 stages of grieving.

  53. Whoa. Ewok love? Even talking about that is a violation of the ToS and the laws of man and God.

  54. “Legalize prostitution and drugs in Detroit as Jerry suggested above, and it will be the richest city in America in a decade.”

    On Nov 26, The Weekly Standard fetured a great in-depth piece on Detroit (pay/registration required). From what I could gather, prostirution and drugs are Detroit’s last two remaining industries.

    It was a very good piece. The author spent a good deal of time with a reporter from the Detroit Free Press.

  55. Yes, but make them legal, and Detroit could become Disney for adults. Why the Canadian business alone would fill the coffers.

  56. NutraSweet, who has more threadwins? Huh? Why don’t you go find out. This site has a search function. Learn how to use it.

  57. Epi and SugarFree, no, I’d rather not have to sort out your silly conversations from the posts on the topic of the thread. Thanks for asking. Don’t you guys have each other’s email address/AIM usernames yet?

    Sheesh. Say what you will about Lonewacko, but at least he posts his drivel once and then leaves.

  58. Maybe he’s dead.

    No, he just ran off like a sissy because Obama didn’t live up to his hype. joe knew we’d all use him as a dongbag, and he slunk off before that happened. He was a victim of his own excess. If he had just been a normal partisan hack about Obama and expressed guarded optimism about the new administration, then he could lament Obama’s failures with us and still defend him in a reasonable manner. But joe had to go super-hack on us and rub his hands in glee about war crime trials and talk up a “stimulus” package that even he knew was mostly bullshit. He overhacked himself and had to pull the rip-cord and get out.

  59. crimethink, don’t you have a gay wedding to sabotage somewhere?

  60. “NutraSweet, who has more threadwins? Huh? Why don’t you go find out. This site has a search function. Learn how to use it.”

    Spot on. Did you cut and paste that?

  61. I thought that’s what I was doing, the way you guys talk.

  62. The median price of a home sold in Detroit in December was $7,500, according to Realcomp, a listing service.

    Wow, things are finally getting better in Detroit.

  63. I thought that’s what I was doing

    So everything I’ve said about you is true, then.

  64. I’ve never understood the religious wacko’s aversion to gay sex. At least it can’t lead to an abortion.

  65. In keeping with my “Detroit’s city council is crazy” theme:

    Jay Leno offered to hold a free show in the Palace of Auburn Hills, the suburban arena where the Pistons play. It would be open to all comers, and it’s intended to lift the spirits of the region. Maybe useless, but a nice gesture nonetheless.

    The City Council is bitching because Leno should be coming to the city, not the suburbs.

  66. I have a cunning plan. Place cameras on the heads and wire the bodies of everyone remaining in Detroit. Then make the city into a live action MMO game, where you can control a real-life resident of Detroit. I suppose actual death would be out, but certainly beatings with rubber clubs and tasers should be permissible. Naturally, Detroiters would be highly compensated for doing this service for us. After all, some of us are not communists!

  67. A developer with enough capital and the right vision could clean up in Detroit.

    Already tried that…

  68. You guys aren’t going to trick me into getting involved in your conversation, so give it up.

    On the topic, I disagree with RC about the money issue. It really wouldn’t take much to make Detroit into a viable mid-sized city again. The problem with getting it there is a milder version of the problems your average sub-Saharan nation has in getting developed…the people currently in charge would be out on their asses if the population gets wealthier, and they know it.

  69. PL,

    People already freaked out about Resident Evil 5.

  70. The City Council is bitching because Leno should be coming to the city, not the suburbs.

    This is why libertarianism is largely doomed. No matter how bad things get with the other team in charge, people just become convinced that there isn’t enough of the other team and they need to try harder and do more.

  71. Threadwinner. That’s what I have embroidered on my jacket, bitches. With fucking rhinestones!

  72. racist hatred for Canadians

    Canadians are a race?

  73. joemoose, I slept with your mom last night.

  74. “Canadians are a race?”

    No. They’re an NHL hockey team.

  75. SugarFree,

    Sigh. I’ve got laser-guided sights, the rest of the world wears bifocals.

  76. With fucking rhinestones!

    You bedazzled your jacket. That’s the gheyest thing I’ve ever heard.

  77. NutraSweet, who has more threadwins? Huh? Why don’t you go find out. This site has a search function. Learn how to use it.

    Threadwins are the internet equivalent of the points on Who’s Line is it Anyway

  78. I’ve got laser-guided sights, the rest of the world wears bifocals.

    Word.

  79. Paul, that’s an actual quote.

    Check it out

    It wasn’t that long ago either

  80. NutraSweet, who has more threadwins? Huh? Why don’t you go find out. This site has a search function. Learn how to use it.

    Threadwins are the internet equivalent of the points on Who’s Line is it Anyway

    A true gentleman never counts his Threadwins.

  81. IT IS NOT ABOUT THREADWINS, IT IS ABOUT THREADSCORES. A THREADSCORE OCCURS WHEN A WOMAN PERFORMS THE ACT OF COITUS WITH A POSTER DUE TO A PARTICULAR POSTING OR SET OF POSTINGS WITHIN A SINGLE THREAD. THE URKOBOLD HAS FIFTY-ONE. HE IS, AFTER ALL, NEW TO THIS INTERNET BUSINESS.

  82. I still say that when Al Queda gets its nuke from Pakistan or Iran and decides to hit a US city, I hope they pick Detroit.

  83. Paul, that’s an actual quote.

    Check it out

    It wasn’t that long ago either

    *gulp*

    I told you guys he was becoming unstable. His methods…unsound.

  84. I still say that when Al Queda gets its nuke from Pakistan or Iran and decides to hit a US city, I hope they pick Detroit.

    Me too. Imagine the billions of dollars in improvements the bomb would do.

    *ducks*

  85. Paul,

    Actually, all of them were twists of joe quotes. Even the “most intelligent commenter” line. Heir

  86. Actually, all of them were twists of joe quotes. Even the “most intelligent commenter” line. Heir

    You guys need to let go. He’s gone. I mean, yes, he’s crouched in his empty bathtub, gently rocking back and forth with Obama’s picture clutched in his clammy hands, while repeatedly saying “change…change…change…” But to us, he’s gone.

  87. So, anybody want to talk about Detroit?

  88. So, anybody want to talk about Detroit?

    Talk about what now?

  89. So, anybody want to talk about Detroit?

    There’s nothing left to talk about.

  90. This is only 95% fair, but so what:

    This is what

  91. You all knew I’d have to weigh in, right?

    The recently paroled ex-mayor, son of a congresscritter, is a spoiled brat. He’s moving to the Dallas area. Watch your wallets, Texans.

    Our city council is dysfuctional. The council president, wife of a different congresscritter, is (to put it charitably) bat shit insane.

    The police department has been operating under federal oversight for years.

    The school system is best described as institutional mass child abuse.

    But we do have a monorail!

    I’m probably not going to be here much longer. I give a shit about the city but as evidenced by their votes, the litter, the crime and the don’t cooporate with the surrounding area, just blame them attitude that prevails, my fellow citizens don’t. I’m going to be one of those white suburbanites who are resposible for all of the cities woes.

    Dearborn is nice.

  92. Which is the better Detroit-based movie: Robocop or The Crow?

  93. Disregard Alan’s last comment. He’s fine. Completely. Trust me. He’s fine. Fine.

  94. Sell Detroit to Canada. It’s Motor City’s only hope.
    The Red Wings will be officially Canadian and the Tigers will serve better beer at home games.
    And don’t even get me started on the Lions.

  95. Which is the better Detroit-based movie: Robocop or The Crow?

    Wrong. Gran Torino. We used to stack fucks like you five feet high in Korea and use ’em for sandbags.

  96. Great cities have died throughout history as their reason for being has ended.

    There is no good reason why Detroit shouldn’t be returned to greenspace.

  97. I’ve never been to Detroit, so the article and the comments have been amazing to me. Also never been to a city where they abandon roads to trees either. Wow!

  98. Wow. I just went on homes.com, and there was a 5 bedroom 3 bath for sale for around $110,000. And this was in Grosse Point, which I’d heard was a decent neighborhood.

  99. But we do have a monorail!

    You have trains! Oh… oh! Seattle wants to be like you!

  100. The Afghani Quarterback
    The coach had put together the perfect team for the Detroit Lions. The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback.
    He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn’t find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.
    Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene in Afghanistan. In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Afghan Muslim soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.
    KABOOM!
    He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards away, right into a chimney.
    KA-BLOOEY!
    Then he threw another at a passing car going 90 mph.
    BULLS-EYE!
    “I’ve got to get this guy!” Coach said to himself. “He has the perfect arm!”
    So, the coach brings him to the States and teaches him the great game of football. And the Lions go on to win the Super Bowl. The young Afghan is hailed as the greatest hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call his mother.
    “Mom,” he says into the phone, “I just won the Super Bowl!”
    I don’t want to talk to you, the old woman says. “You deserted us. You are not my son!”
    “I don’t think you understand, Mother,” the young man pleads. “I’ve just won the greatest sporting event in the world. I’m here among thousands of my adoring fans.”
    “No! Let me tell you!” his mother retorts. “At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn’t get raped!”
    The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says, “I will never forgive you for making us move to Detroit!”

  101. “racist hatred for Canadians

    Canadians are a race?”

    You’ve obviously never watched South Park.

    “But we do have a monorail!”
    You should name it Blaine.

  102. I should be glad Detroit is dying…I live on Lake Erie in Ontario. With Detroit gone, the lake should get a lot cleaner.

    If you want to save Detroit, best thing you can do is allow all those Mexicans who want to immigrate to the States move to Detroit. Would be a huge boost to the economy, Mexicans actually do work for a living unlike the current inhabitants. A win-win situation.

  103. Its a race to the bottom to see who because extinct the fastest, Flint or Detroit. Dlint’s got less to lose, but Detroits falling faster.

  104. I think JB has a few issues.

  105. Detroit, which has lost half its population in the past 50 years, …

    Ah, an eco-utopia I see.

  106. Not a Detroiter, just a crackpot – Vacant occupancy?

  107. I’m originally from the Detroit suburbs. Dad was in the auto industry and Mom lived there because her family came from the backwoods of Virginia to work for the then-amazing wage of $5 a day. It is bizarre and sad how far the city has fallen. The ’67 race riots caused huge white flight from which it never really recovered. It’s long been a one-party fiefdom for black big-city Democrats, as a group not generally known for economic wisdom.

    Fun historical fact: Henry Ford developed and named two suburban towns for his workers: Dearborn for the whites and Inkster for the blacks. Apparently the old anti-Semite loved a good joke….

  108. Nothing that a big ass bailout wouldn’t cure.

  109. Mark Fidrych!

  110. What have you eaten today?

    Some cake… and some beef jerky.

  111. Anyone know where I can look up how Detroit and the state of Michigan compare to other cities and states w/r/t local taxes? I have a hunch…

    -jcr

  112. economist | March 10, 2009, 5:46pm | #
    I think JB has a few issues.

    No, just accurately expressing that if Al Queda has to pick one major city, I would have it be Detroit. Assuming the fallout stays rather contained.

  113. I hope they pick Detroit.

    To add to their tally of Muslims killed, I presume?

    -jcr

  114. if Al Queda has to pick one major city, I would have it be Detroit. Assuming the fallout stays rather contained.

    A REAL libertarian would have picked Washington.

    Are you one o’ them cosmos?

  115. Wow…I had no idea Detroit proper had fallen so mightily. I know the Rust Belt is struggling (I’m from Ohio after all), but…wow.

    It must look like Manhattan in I Am Legend.

  116. There is a historic neighborhood very close to downtown Detroit (about 5min from Comerica Park), called Boston-Edison. Its got some spectacular historic mansions that would cost millions in equivalent location in almost any other big city. Take a look at some photos.
    here | here | here | here | here

    This used to be where everyone who was anyone in Detroit used to live. Alas even here we see the results of present day Detroit, when I drove through there last year I saw some homes on the outskirts with plywood in the windows.

  117. Of course the car costs more than the house. You can live in either one, but the car you can drive out of Detroit.

    My friend Nancy showed me some of Detroit in Aug. 2004. Plenty of free parking around Wayne State U., and we ate at a little hippie restaurant wedged in tight between empty lots.

    So how’s this business supposed to work, where politicians keep people poor because they couldn’t stay in office otherwise? Don’t the voters want to be richer?

  118. It’s not racism to point out that diversity doesn’t work.

    The only reason people accuse others of racism is to make themselves look good. It’s an egotrip.

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