In Defense of Dharavi
Mitu Sengupta argues that Slumdog Millionaire, Oscar's favorite film of last year, doesn't respect the poor people it purports to be defending:
The film's depiction of the legendary Dharavi, which is home to some one million people, is that of a feral wasteland, with little evidence of order, community or compassion. Other than the children, the "slumdogs," no-one is even remotely well-intentioned. Hustlers, thieves, and petty warlords run amok, and even Jamal's schoolteacher, a thin, bespectacled man who introduces him to the Three Musketeers, is inexplicably callous. This is a place of evil and decay; of a raw, chaotic tribalism.
Yet nothing could be further from the truth. Dharavi teems with dynamism and creativity, and is a hub of entrepreneurial activity, in industries such as garment manufacturing, embroidery, pottery, and leather, plastics and food processing. It is estimated that the annual turnover from Dharavi's small businesses is between US$50 to $100 million. Dharavi's lanes are lined with cell-phone retailers and cybercafés, and according to surveys by Microsoft Research India, the slum's residents exhibit a remarkably high absorption of new technologies.
Governing structures and productive social relations also flourish. The slum's residents have nurtured strong collaborative networks, often across potentially volatile lines of caste and religion….Although it is true that these severely under-resourced self-help organizations have touched only the tip of the proverbial iceberg, it is important to acknowledge their efforts and agency, along with the simple fact that these communities, despite their grinding poverty, have valuable lives, warmth, generosity, and a resourcefulness that stretches far beyond the haphazard and purely individualistic, Darwinian sort portrayed in the film.
Caveat: I haven't seen the movie yet! If Sengupta is ignoring scenes that cut against her thesis, you'll have to tell me in the comment thread.
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What Hollywood gave an Oscar to a movie that dehumanizes poor people? Never!! Next you are going to tell me they gave an Oscar to a movie that portrayed a concentration camp guard as a sympathetic victim.
I don't believe the article, as I just saw about the woman what cut off her man's stuff and fed it to a dog. These Hindu extremists must be stopped!
I guess the question I have is not what the area is like now, but what it was say 10 to 15 years ago (where the bulk of the really bad stuff happens). My sense of the portrayal is that the disconnect in time (20 to 25 years) appears larger than the amount the characters have actually aged (10 to 15).
Also there's a scene late in the movie where the two brothers look down at their old neighborhood and marvel at how much (and therefore how quickly) it has changed. The main character also works at a call center before going on "Millionaire."
Um, but was any (much less all) of that true 20-25 years ago, when all of the childhood scenes were set? India now is much different (i.e. more entrepreneurial) place than India during the end of the cold war. The scenes with an adult Jamal were not about the slums, they were about 4 specific individuals.
But hey, somebody's gotta be kneejerk contrarian.
beat by 1 minute
Is the movie any good?
ProL - provided you aren't beholden to hipster boredom with rags-to-riches, feel-good stories, then hell yeah it's a good movie.
"Is the movie any good?"
I enjoyed it. I'm not sure it was all it's being cracked up to be, but it was very enjoyable.
I'm beholden to no man or doctrine! Actually, the happy success story doesn't bug me if it's good. Trouble is, you can't go by what's popular or critically acclaimed. And often, an Oscar for Best Picture is the true kiss of death for quality.
What? The movie portrayal of [fill in the blank] is exaggerated and inaccurate? I'm shocked and dismayed. If you can't trust the movies, who can you trust?
These sorts of quibbles are like complaining about historical inaccuracies in Titanic or scientific inaccuracies in Star Wars.
India now is much different (i.e. more entrepreneurial) place than India during the end of the cold war.
Yeah, but India's "liberalisation"* has not really made it to the slums or villages. Just because it is now easier to open a call center or a new factory, does not mean it is easier to start a food truck. The licensing culture and laws that stifle entrepreneurship and encourage corruption still exist for India's poor.
* Because unlike some other former British colonies I could speak of, we Indians still spell our words correctly, Godsdammit!
The movie can't be that bad. The chick in it is really hot.
You haven't missed much. And while we're reviling the movie for this and that, what about the Indian Regis Philbin character who permitted his skepticism and class hatred of Jamal to jeopardize a perfect ratings bonanza!?! Hey, I can believe a trio of slum dwellers could keep bumping into each other year after year in a city of 13 million people, I can even believe that true love would find a way even Frank Capra would have said "the audience will never buy it!" But a television celebrity intentionally sabotaging his own show? Never!
This is a Danny Boyle film. How many fast zombies are there?
It's good. It's not "best picture" good (in that it doesn't suck like so many of the past have, nor is it particularly excellent like a best picture theoretically should be), but it's good.
Ah, but Legate, "good" is the new "excellent". When most films are so bad they make Michael Bay movies seem sensible, you've got a serious quality problem.
By the way, they're remaking Total Recall. Soon every movie made in Hollywood will be based on a prior movie.
When they remake Big Trouble in Little China without Russell, Carpenter, and Hong, I'm giving up Hollywood altogether for Bollywood.
Next thing you'll tell me is that American movies give a distorted picture of life in the U.S.
By the way, they're remaking Total Recall. Soon every movie made in Hollywood will be based on a prior movie.
Huh. Well I actually approve of remaking crappy movies. You can make it better. Making a crappy remake of a great movie is what grists my gears.
I think every movie has been based on either a remake, comic book, or TV show for some time now.
"By the way, they're remaking Total Recall. Soon every movie made in Hollywood will be based on a prior movie."
In Hollywood's defense, there were so many nuances and un explored ankles in the first, it was just begging to be remade.
FWIW, the fact that Mongol wasn't given a best picture award pretty much shows the awards are BS, as if that wasn't already established.
Well I actually approve of remaking crappy movies.
I'm curious, Warren. Was your taste in movies always this bad or has the current state of the economy warped your mind? Or is it just the alcohol talking?
there were so many nuances and un explored ankles in the first
I'm not an ankle guy myself, John. But I do understand that some people have this fetish.
Better ankles than feet epi.
"I'm curious, Warren. Was your taste in movies always this bad or has the current state of the economy warped your mind? Or is it just the alcohol talking?"
That whole "it is great to remake a crappy movie" thing goes back to the 90s and Cape Fear. Cape Fear was a crappy 60s movie that Martin Scorcazi remade and then the smart thing to say about movies was how great it was to remake crappy movies. I have never bought it. I can't think of one crappy movie that has ever been remade into a good one, even Cape Fear sucked I thought. In fact, I can think of several great movies that were remade into good movies; the Seven Samuri into The Magnificent Seven, The Frontpage into His Girl Friday just to name two. No every remake has to be The Manchurian Candidate.
How could they possibly top a three-tittied chick? Hollywood's hubris will doom it.
But what about three breasts, John? Huh?!?
Damn you, Warty!
"In Hollywood's defense, there were so many nuances and un explored ankles in the first, it was just begging to be remade."
A rated X remake for foot fetishists perhaps?
That whole "it is great to remake a crappy movie" thing goes back to the 90s and Cape Fear. Cape Fear was a crappy 60s movie that Martin Scorcazi remade
I think the original version is better.
I can't think of one crappy movie that has ever been remade into a good one
I guess you've never seen Satan Met a Lady, a pre-Bogart attempt to film The Maltese Falcon. I haven't seen the Roy Del Ruth version of Falcon, which came out even earlier, but I hear it's mediocre too.
I'm pretty excited about the Samuel L Jackson's nine-picture Nick Fury deal.
Not so much for him in particular, but I love the idea of a new "universe" with continuity across many movies.
It makes my nerd parts tingle, but also seems like something new under the sun.
Whoops, failed joke handle fixed.
It wasn't a documentary, it wasn't intended to be "everything you'll ever need to know about India". If the only movie about the US you'd ever seen was "Taxi Driver", you'd probably have an inaccurate image of life in the US. So what? Creative works of art are not the same thing as civics textbooks.
I can't think of one crappy movie that has ever been remade into a good one
The Thing from Another World was mediocre and John Carpenter turned it into pure awesome as The Thing.
It happens, but it is rare. Mostly because Hollywood usually wants to remake hits to cash in on their name value, instead of remaking a dud that nobody has heard of.
Daze, shut up before they remake Taxi Driver.
Didn't they already remake Taxi Driver with Jimmy Fallon and Queen Latifa?
Making a crappy remake of a great movie is what grists my gears.
Yep.
Im looking at you Planet of the Apes.
Speaking of movies that may or may not be crappy, I am relieved by the pre-reviews of Watchmen, in that the negative reviews primarily were people who whined that the movie was too complicated and hard to follow, while the good reviews were people lauding the movie for being uncompromising. And Emmie Levy liked it; as much as I often disagree with him, he's no slouch, and he's usually very informative on the technical points.
The Thing from Another World was mediocre and John Carpenter turned it into pure awesome as The Thing.
I like the remake, but c'mon. The original is great.
I can't think of one crappy movie that has ever been remade into a good one
Im willing to let them try, yet again, for Dune.
Also, for Starship Troopers, but thats because I want a movie with the damn suits.
...before they remake Taxi Driver
Starring Ashton Kutcher as Travis Bickle. Coming in 2011!
The handful of decent (or superior) remakes that exist usually seem to be tied to an underlying book or story. The Thing comes to mind.
I'm with Jesse--the original wasn't bad at all. I like evil James Arness!
Didn't they already remake Taxi Driver with Jimmy Fallon and Queen Latifa?
That was actually an edgier remake of Driving Miss Daisy.
I like the remake, but c'mon. The original is great.
I was unimpressed. There's something about Hawks' directing style that makes me sleepy.
"I guess you've never seen Satan Met a Lady, a pre-Bogart attempt to film The Maltese Falcon. I haven't seen the Roy Del Ruth version of Falcon, which came out even earlier, but I hear it's mediocre too."
I have never seen it Jesse. I guess that is the exception that proves the rule.
Robc,
I liked the 80s Dino DeLaurentus Dune. I may be the only one, but I liked it. I am willing ot live with a re make though because I would like to see the next two books get made as well.
There is no imdb listing (that I could find) for the hypothetical Tim Robbin's 1984 remake, so that is a positive.
I would like to see a remake of Sometimes a Great Notion. I have no idea if Never Give An Inch is good or bad, I havent seen it, but it needs to be remade just to uncorrect the proper grammar in the title.
Okay, after hitting imdb, I am confused. It is listed under Sometimes a Great Notion and the movie poster linked shows the correct "never give a inch", but Im pretty sure it was originally released as Never Give An Inch.
Anyone know the story?
I thought the 70s remake of invasion of the body snatchers with Donald Southerland was good. But that was a good movie to begin with. If we had a real no kidding creative and subversive Hollywood, it would get remade today with the allusions to Communism replaced by allusions to Obama.
rob, do you like any David Lynch movies? I've generally found that if you like Lynch, you like Dune.
And I forgot Cronenberg's The Fly. The original is great (Vincent Price!), but Cronenberg really brought his mutation obsession to the table with that one.
In 1977, the film was released on television under the title Never Give an Inch. It was subsequently re-released theatrically under its original title
Okay, question solved. TV stupid.
Epi,
do you like any David Lynch movies? I've generally found that if you like Lynch, you like Dune.
Not really. I was okay with season 1 of Twin Peaks, but other than that, not a fan.
The problem is, Im a huge Dune fan. Ive wondered why with new editions, they have never fixed the duplicate line error and also, would miss it if they did. 🙂 I doubt a version could be made that would satisfy me, to be honest. It would have to be done in mini-series form and would have to be better than the Sci-Fi channel mini-series, although I liked that better than the Lynch version.
Now, the director's cut is much better than the original release, which was absolute crap.
I have argued before and still think is true, that Dune wins the contest for greatest
Value(book) - Value(movie)
in the entire history of making movies from books.
I think every movie has been based on either a remake, comic book, or TV show for some time now.
Or a children's book.
Also, for Starship Troopers, but that's because I want a movie with the damn suits.
Hollywood will never make a movie where the suit covers the lead actors' faces. Check all the war movies featuring fighter pilots, and how much time they spend with their oxy/commo masks flopping on their shoulders. They simply must be able to emote. Especially if they aren't very good at it.
The Fly was a good remake of a good movie. Remakes can work if the orignal idea is good and the remake adds an interesting twist or update to the plot. For example, His Girl Friday took the Front Page and made one of the characters female. The Fly added a ton of good special effects and explored the love relationship more.
The worst remakes take a good movie that is still relevent and dumb it down to today's standards. The Bad News Bears is probably the best example of this. I don't think any movie from the 70s is more relevent in todays world of helicopter parents and nanystates gone wild than BNB. All the remake did was sanitize all of the bad language and realism while adding nothing to the original.
LarryA,
Very little of the book has the characters in the suits, however, so I dont see the problem.
Now, the director's cut is much better than the original release, which was absolute crap.
Are you referring to the 4-hour version? Lynch hated that and took his name off it (it's an Alan Smithee film). Yes, that was terrible.
Lynch tried to make a standard length movie out of a ridiculously dense tome with mid-80's special effects. I think he did reasonably well, and he did it the Lynch way, which I am a fan of.
Slumdog Millionaire, Oscar's favorite film of last year
Don't you mean "Oscar's??"?
They're very picky about that.
Just got here and haven't read much of the thread, but regardless of whether there are scenes that contradict Sengupta's thesis per se, I think it's both an exaggeration and unrealistic. It's a fictional movie, not a documentary, and I think it's a little silly to criticize it for not giving a fully comprehensive account of its subject matter. Did Fagan dehumanize the poor of 18th century London? It's a good guy/bad guy movie more than anything else (even if typically a bad guy turns good just in time).
That said, I did find myself wondering if Hindu slaughters of Muslims was some kind of regular occurence! I'm guessing probably not, to the extent that it's a social ill to be associated with living there, anyway.
Late to the party, but John @ 11:24 is an early front-runner for RC'z Law Award Winner of the Year.
In Hollywood's defense, there were so many nuances and un explored ankles in the first, it was just begging to be remade.
One typo and you wind up winning some kind of RC award.
"[S]ome kind of RC award"?!?
I suppose you consider the Grand Canyon "some kind of gorge"!
The 1976 Invasion of the Body Snatchers was bettter than the 1956 original.
Yo, fuck Sci-Fi's Dune. The Sardaukar, the terror troops that held a entire galaxy at bay, are not supposed to be dressed like French waiter.
(X's perfect refrain.)
Seriously, berets and jodhpurs. WTF?
I can't remember any scenes in the movie that portray the positive spontaneous order aspects of Dharavi, but I've heard Danny Boyle (is that the right name) talk about it in interviews.
I never watched the sci fi Dune. They really did that to the Sardukar? For shame.
Dune wouldn't be a remake, because it hasn't been made yet. I have spoken.
Speaking of science fiction novels and movies, why can't I get a (good, please) movie version of Foundation, or, while we're on Asimov, The Caves of Steel? The latter in particular seems amenable to film (it would technically be a remake, too, if you count the Peter Cushing BBC version).
...Godsdammit!
Excellent, Kunal, most excellent.
John,
It is seriously terrible. And every outdoor shot is a soundstage. Gack.
I'm hoping that BSG teaches people that you can set stuff in a science fiction setting without having everyone dress up like a fashion victim doofus. The nadir of this idea being, of course, The Fifth Element.
Dune wouldn't be a remake, because it hasn't been made yet. I have spoken.
Word. I have a certain affection for the Lynch version, but it is fairly terrible adaptation of the novel. It's like they wrote the script from the Cliff Notes.
There were certain scenes and certain looks that were okay in the Lynch version, but, taken as a whole, it sucked.
I'll grant it's a hard, hard book to make into a film, so it's going to take one hell of a screenwriter, director, budget, and cast to make it ever work. Maybe as an HBO miniseries? They spend movie-like money on those.
I'm sorry. Ya'll are all missing the point, which is this:
Dune sucks.
I like the Fifth Element.
Dune the book? Oh, dear.
Yes, Dune the book. I mean, there's this elaborate backstory and mythology (which provided source material for several truly crappy prequels) all of which only exists to explain why they're fighting with swords and knifes in an age of spaceflight.
And the sequels are just the worst. For example, what was the point of Children of Dune exactly? What happened there? It was nothing. Its only function was to serve as a link between Dune Messiah and God-Emperor of Dune, both of which were themselves craptacular in their own right.
Kunal,
Go back to your Halo novelizations and Terry Brooks novels.
Kunal,
I see. Except for agreeing with you about Brian Herbert's prequels, I think you may be insane. And you're likely going to get the gom jabbar from SugarFree or from that old crone Episiarch.
Slumdog is a fairy tale and as such, it works. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and so did my husband, who had no idea what it was about and who typically goes for either straight science fiction or shoot em up action movies (we went to see Shoot Em Up at my suggestion and he spent the next four days telling his guys what an awesome wife I am.)
You're talking about a movie where a barely literate kid beats millions of other callers to get on a game show and then just happens to have life experiences that apply to every question he gets asked. And someone is bitching that the depiction of the slum is unrealistic? I didn't think Mila Jowhatever's character was a terribly realistic depiction of an angel, but that's not what made Fifth Element suck.
I hate Dune the movie and I hate Dune the book. There. I said it. I hate Dune. Took the husband a while to get past that one.
Wait, wait... I will stipulate that the prequels suck. And that anyone who doesn't like Messiah or Children has a point. I also think they only detract from the main novel. But the first book is one of the finest pieces of world-building SF ever written. To not like it is madness.
Dune is magnificent. The fact that the sequels do not equal it does not matter. It is extremely rare for an author to create an entire series that excels.
I could spend a lot of time telling you why Dune is utter rubbish. Instead, I will just ask you to open your (doubtless dog-eared) copy of Dune to the glossary, and consult this graph.
Chaumukry. Gom-jabbar. Prana-bindu. Fraufreluches. Kwitsatz Haderach. Kanly. I'm typing these up from memory (three years after I last read the book), and I've already exceeded Herbert's quota for one book.
There's something about Hawks' directing style that makes me sleepy.
You are insane.
Also, you can count me as someone who likes David Lynch movies, and likes Dune the book (*), but hates Dune the movie.
(* To the extent that I can definitively say I like something that I read before puberty.)
Kunal, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
You know, I wasn't going to say it because I like you guys but now you push me too far so I will:
The Dune series is to SF what TWOT is to Fantasy.
TWOT? The War on Terror?
The Wheel of Time.
TWOT -- never heard of it, and I'm a lifetime reader of SF/Fantasy
Robert Jordan? Oh, my, you are looking for a thrashing. Episiarch alone may author a novel of abuse in your name.
Suffice it to say that your invitation to the Bene Gesserit orgy has been canceled.
Of course, if there's a dragon on the cover I probably haven't bothered to even pick up the book and read the title.
I'm sorry, perhaps you say WoT. Yes, WoT. That is the thing that is to fantasy what Dune is to Sci-Fi.
But it is fantasy - Robert Jordan fantasized that he would finish it before he died!
It must be one damned fine book, then ?
Kunal,
Your basic ignorance reverberants through space and time. It will be studied by our descendants.
Kunal == TWAT
Your basic ignorance reverberants through space and time.
See? Even you can't stop making up nonsense words. Dune has marred you forever.
It reverberates too. That's how dumb you are. You're so dumb I make typos.
Contest: Best Author / Invented World (sustained -- so more than one book)
I bid Terry Pratchett and Discworld
Kunal is right. I support him 100%.
Kinnath is correct. I want to live in Ankh- Morpork.
I bid Terry Pratchett and Discworld
You lessen him merely by mentioning him in the same thread as yahoos such as Jordan and the Herberts.
AGREED
It's like they wrote the script from the Cliff Notes.
Novels are far longer than movies. Graphic novels are closer to the right length.
Yes, Dune the book. I mean, there's this elaborate backstory and mythology (which provided source material for several truly crappy prequels) all of which only exists to explain why they're fighting with swords and knives in an age of spaceflight.
I read Dune while I was a Boy Scout in Barstow, California. Barstow has two seasons; the dry season and the day it rains. That's what ruined the story for me. If you actually go out in the desert in a suit that won't let your sweat evaporate, you broil.
SF worlds wherein people fight with bows and arrows and guns and swords normally bug me. The only ones I can think of that worked well were Firefly (of course) and Bujold's Vorkosigan novels and in both cases, the backstory involved the deterioration of civilizations. They made it to the stars, ran out of money or got into wars or fell into some sort of trouble, and the science and the toys fell out of use. In Bujold's universe, I think Barayar actually lost the knowledge of space travel for a few generations. So the horses and swords and shit make sense. In general, though, if the story is set among the stars and there are kings and empires and people running around with medieval weaponry, it sucketh.
Shows what you know. "Reverberants" refers to the artificial people in Dick's classic, Is Sex with Electric Sheep Illegal?
Episiarch,
Liar. I'll bring joe back to bury you in your 10,000 past statements to the contrary. That, or I'll have Yoo force you to read all 500 Robert Jordan books, including his famous The War on Terror.
SF worlds wherein people fight with bows and arrows and guns and swords normally bug me.
You know whats the worst universe in this repect? Star Wars. The Wookies actually use crossbows that use force-fields in place of bowstrings. The lightsaber is actually one of Star Wars' most sensible weapons.
SF worlds wherein people fight with bows and arrows and guns and swords normally bug me.
There was a line from a story (can't remember which one at this point) where the protaganist states the most efficient way to kill a human is to make a hole in 'em and let the life run out.
For all our high technology, I think this is going to be true for a very long time.
ProL, I have previously stated my opinion on Dune.
Besides, I'm a fickle bitch.
The only ones I can think of that worked well were Firefly (of course)
Laser guns exist in Firefly, they're just really expensive.
People also don't realize that a laser is not just a "blaster". Lasers are a durational weapon, meaning that it is on for a fixed amount of time. A laser pistol would presumably fire, say, 100 milliseconds of laser. Is this enough to burn far enough into a body to kill? If longer is needed, you'd have to hold the beam steady for the whole time. A laser wouldn't knock down a target because it has no kinetic energy. And it would be useless against anything with high albedo.
Ballistic projectile weapons will most likely never go out of style because they have certain characteristics that make them very useful. They dump kinetic energy into the target, they are immediate, and they require a lot of armoring to be stopped.
Don't knock guns in scifi.
Episiarch,
And you love Robert Jordan.
And you love Robert Jordan.
Episiarch does not love Robert Jordan. He is a decent family man.
Robert Jordan? But he's dead. Can zombies be decent family men?
And you love Robert Jordan.
You might want to read further down the link I just posted above to see what I think of Jordan. Here's a sample:
"At least he's dead."
More Episiarchian lies.
I mean, how much credibility can one have when one doesn't like Dune?
PL, what's less than "none what so ever?"
Why do I need credibility when I have a gun? A projectile gun, of course, and not one of those sissy laser guns.
You mean a maula pistol?
Oddly, while a spectacularly underwhelming playing experience, the video game Too Human handled the duration aspect of laser weapons very realistically.
(Srsly, 2Hooman sux.)
Needleguns are for pussies, ProL. Though I did like the gun the main character had in The Practice Effect. You shove anything metal that you can fit into the handle and it shaves off a piece of it for each shot and fires it at the target.
SF worlds wherein people fight with bows and arrows and guns and swords normally bug me.
Then there are the end-of-civilization stories where everyone's using a compound bow because they've lost the technology to make firearms. Except the materials necessary for compound bows weren't available for fifty years after machineguns were commonplace.
Ballistic projectile weapons will most likely never go out of style because they have certain characteristics that make them very useful. They dump kinetic energy into the target, they are immediate, and they require a lot of armoring to be stopped.
Add to that "requires no external power source." The novel I'm currently writing uses that thought.
Alistair Reynolds' Chasm City featured a cultured diamond clockwork handgun that fired a shard of diamond. It was an assassin's weapon to get through security scans.
The novel also outlines what happens when you sever a space elevator at its base with a nuclear weapon. Think "cutting a 62,000 mile long rubber band."
It's a dart gun, dude. I seem to recall Asimov having needle guns in the Lucky Starr series. Anyway, I agree.
Too bad it's so late in the thread and in the day, because what would be nice is to. . .launch a threadjack on The Best Personal Firearm in Science Fiction! I'm not even sure I have a personal favorite, but there are so many to choose from!
Speaking of lasers and other seemingly less than impressive weapons, the dynamics change somewhat if your pistol has some sort of massive power supply--like a fusion or matter-antimatter reactor.
There's Niven's soft/slaver weapon, by the way.
I like the Fifth Element.
Ditto. Plus Leeloo Dallas Multipass is the hottest sci-fi movie chick ever.
I'm okay with The Fifth Element, but I don't agree with the rest of your assessment.
But the first book is one of the finest pieces of world-building SF ever written.
Im willing to argue over the words "one of" in there.
Plus Leeloo Dallas Multipass is the hottest sci-fi movie chick ever.
Huzzah!
Too bad it's so late in the thread and in the day, because what would be nice is to. . .launch a threadjack on The Best Personal Firearm in Science Fiction!
Do it tomorrow. You could expand it to "Coolest Sci Fi Weapons", and it would include C+ cannons from Saberhagen.
From one of the Falkenberg's Legion stories:
Every soldier thinks his will be the last war in which bayonets are useful.
I recall some other killer (sorry!) weapons from the Berserker series, too, now that you mention it.
I have to say, as weak as Trek is from the hard science fiction viewpoint, I do like the phaser. Adjustable death and nondeath. Nice.
Every generation creates a new weapon that will end war . . .
Contest: Best Author / Invented World (sustained -- so more than one book)
I bid Terry Pratchett and Discworld
Give that Marxist China Mieville some time and he will surely overtake this "Pratchett" you speak of.
Ballistic projectile weapons will most likely never go out of style because they have certain characteristics that make them very useful. They dump kinetic energy into the target, they are immediate, and they require a lot of armoring to be stopped.
Don't knock guns in scifi.
You're so smart. I can never remember if it's you or ProL I have a mind crush on. I think it's you for the humor and ProL for the erudition.
Mieville is a guy? Why'd I always think he was a chick? I tried a couple of his books and couldn't get into them. Meh.
Even when (God forbid) Pratchett's Alzheimer's begins to noticeably affect his work, he'll still be better than any other fantasy/SF/satire author writing today.
Crap. I hate when I do that.
I like Mitu Sengupta's criique. The childhood scenes were set in the 90s, not "20-25 years ago." Americans should learn the history of some other country other than theirs!