Murder Chic in Manhattan

If you happened upon a bronze statue of Che Guevara on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan today, its creator, artist Christian Janowski, wants you to know that it is merely a representation of the Argentinean imperialist—it's actually a Barcelona-based street performer playing the revolutionary.

At the New York Times' City Room blog, David Gonzalez tartly explains Guevara's legacy to one clueless, yet curious, tourist snapping photos of the newly installed art work:

"That's Che Guevara, right?" said Sean Kelly, who was visiting from Ames, Iowa. "I'm kind of interested in his beliefs and the kind of stuff he did."

There were the executions when he presided over the prison at La Cabaña. Or his stated willingness to have let the missiles fly had they been under Cuban control, according to a newspaper interview cited by the biographer Jon Lee Anderson. And as several conservative commentators have noted, soon after the 1962 crisis, Che was preparing to export revolution while Cuban diplomats in New York were implicated in a plot to blow up, among other targets, department stores in New York City on the day after Thanksgiving.

When a passing bike messenger explains that Che was about "liberation," about societies where hipsters wouldn't have deliver packages to corporate fat-cats on fix-gear bicycles, but could start their own Williamsburg Social Club on that people's dime, Gonzalez helpfully adds that "For some Cubans, liberation means rolling the dice on a raft trip across the Florida Straits."

And oh, how The Times has changed: reason contributing editor Glenn Garvin on the paper's Castrophilic former Cuba correspondent Herb Matthews here.

(Via Radosh)

Comments

[Malto Dextrin]

Yeah, but he looks so sexy on a T-shirt.

[Rich Ard]

That's not what the bike messenger said at all.

[Shannon Love]

I enjoy pointing out to people the Che thought that homosexuals should be executed that he might have overseen the execution of several dozen homosexuals in Cuban when he served as Castro's hatchet man.

At least you don't see the "Mao more than ever" t-shirts anymore.

[Cool Cal]

Kudos in advance to the street performer who, in protest, sets up right next to this douchebag as a bronze Hitler.

Where on 5th? I have a full bladder.

[Ska]

Thanks for the idea Cal, I might have a friend or 2 willing to do it. I definitely know people who will film it.

[Ska]

Apparently 60th St and 5th Ave

[vanya]

I'm more offended by the trite "high concept" of "statues of people performing as statues." This is wankery of a high-order.

I used to be offended by the left-wing idolization of Che, but the right-wing grousing about it has become even more annoying lately. While Che held fairly odious personal beliefs, he was never much of a revolutionary, really, he was just an upper class Argentinian dilettante that real thugs like Castro found useful. How much actual power did Che ever wield? It makes sense that Che, of all people, is a symbol to wanna-be poser revolutionaries.

[Free Society]

he was just an upper class Argentinian dilettante that real thugs like Castro found useful.

There's no question that he was every bit of the thug his superiors were. He was their enforcer, he murdered political dissenters and actually discussed how much he enjoyed murdering people, including women and children. He's was fucking murderer and people bemoaning the leftist idolatry of him is perfectly valid and not done nearly enough.

[Hazel Meade]

Excellent. Now All we need s some of those Ernesto scented candles and we can make a little shrine.

Supplications to St. Guevara will be presided over by the Naomi Klein book club. Donations will be sent to the Hugo Chavez reelection campaign.

[Pro Libertate]

The right doesn't walk around with Hitler shirts on, you have to give them that.

[Free Society]

Ahhh the 'right-wing Hitler' meme has made an appearance.

[joe? Telephone for joe.]

Cuban diplomats in New York were implicated in a plot to blow up, among other targets, department stores in New York City on the day after Thanksgiving

[cunnivore]

Not to defend Che or anything, but you do realize that we have slaveholders (Washington, Jefferson) and murderers (Jackson) honored on our currency, right? You might want to do something about that log in your eye.

When a person becomes a symbol, their real actions become irrelevant. No, it doesn't make any sense, but that's how we silly humans operate.

[Hazel Meade]

What's Che supposed to be a symbol of? Fashionable revolution? Facile marxism?

[shecky]

I'm 41 years old, and I never gave a shit about Che one way or another until fairly recently. The value of having a historical figure to piss off conservatives is something I prize.

[parse]

Not to defend Che or anything, but you do realize that we have slaveholders (Washington, Jefferson) and murderers (Jackson) honored on our currency, right? You might want to do something about that log in your eye.

Not to mention a statue of Christopher Columbus in Manhattan in case you don't find cunnivore's examples close enough to the sculpture that's got Moynihan's panties in wad.

[Cool Cal]

I for one despise Jackson, and oppose any human likeness on our glorified Monopoly Money.

Less executive power, sound money, rah rah rah.

[Cool Cal]

BTW, when lefties start complaining about idolization of Che and quit wearing hammer-and-sickles like they're goddamn letterman sweaters, I'll protest the Columbus Day parade. Until then my ire, like Che's importance, will remain largely symbolic.

[Kolohe]

The right doesn't walk around with Hitler shirts on, you have to give them that.

In the last season of the West Wing, they did make a joke about the oddity of the Hoover Institute.

[cunnivore]

I've always wondered why Jackson and Grant are honored on our money, but then I realized that the common thread that unites those two, Washington, and Lincoln, was their willingness to hamhandedly force the will of the federal govt on the states and the people (Whiskey Rebellion, Nullification Crisis, and then of course the big one).

[lpcowboy]

While clearly a murderer, Jackson actually was for sound money, having fought against the second central bank (the current fed being the 3rd). As such, he was better than a lot of presidents.

If you consider the effects of the FDA, any modern president is effectivley responsible for more deaths than most genocidal dictators. Comparatibley, the problem with Che wasn't so much his indiscrimate killing as his promotion of communism.

[thoreau]

First, +1 cunnivore at 6:27 pm.

Second, I knew this was a Moynihan post just by the topic, even before I looked to see who wrote it.

[Malto Dextrin]

First Reich, Second Reich, Third Reich.
First Bank of the US, Second Bank of the US,...the current fed being the 3rd

Ah HA!

[thoreau]

Michael Moynihan-

What would you say if somebody put up a statue of George Bush, the person who initiated the Iraq War?

[I, Kahn O\'Clast]

Che is teh FAIL

I finally watched The Motorcycle Diaries on the promise that there was great scenery of a continent that I love, including shots of Buenos Aires -- a city I've spent considerable time in and adore. It was nice watching it fall into a maudlin ideological arc that ruined the whole vibe of it.

Che appeared briefly in my master's thesis mostly because it was on Bolivia and it provided a nice opportunity to write about his death in an actual academic context.

[Nigel Watt]

The Motorcycle Diaries is just a crappy movie.

[Syd Henderson]

And now we get a two-part biographical film on Che, who I have no interest in whatever.

[heyche]

Check more about Ruben Perez, the inspiration of this statue:

http://www.hey-che.com/el-che-vive-ruben-perez.html

[PM770]

Why do so many commenters here get upset with Moynihan when he goofs on Che idolizers? He was a pretty obvious a-hole. Just because others may have been varying degrees of a-hole throughout history doesn't make Che any less of one.

I know, I know "But, but, Bush......"

[Abdul]

That statue looks a lot more like Jebediah Springfield than Che. But, what the hell, they both embiggened the smallest man.

[Travis]

"The Motorcycle Diaries is just a crappy movie."

My favorite part is were Che swims across the Amazon river to be with the lepers.

[Mad Max]

From the NY Times link:

"Are New Yorkers really allowing such an homage to occupy the southeast corner of Central Park? Technically, no. The statue actually depicts a Barcelona street performer portraying Che, part of three bronze sculptures by Christian Janowski, which were recently installed by the Public Art Fund."

According to the official description, the three statues are "in essence, statues of people performing as statues." The other two statues are a Roman Legionnaire (or maybe it's Julius Caesar) and a figure from one of Salvador Dali's paintings. According to the description, "When visitors encounter Jankowski's Living Sculptures, they may at first think they are seeing three street performers, surprisingly motionless and grouped together. In actuality, the figures are bronze sculptures that reference the tradition of professional street performers who strike poses as historical or fantastical characters for passersby." Strangely, none of the people quoted in the Times said they thought at first these statues were street performers. The public is *so* unenlightened!

I observe that the Public Art Fund's Web site lists the following as among the Fund's supporters: "City of New York Department of Cultural Affairs ? National Endowment for the Arts ? New York State Council on the Arts, a State Agency ? Office of the Brooklyn Borough President."

Back to the *Times*: "For some, the [Guevara] statue might call to mind the recent controversy over a banner depicting Stalin at Cooper Union." (see link in article).

According to Cooper Union's President's Report (p. 36), the City of New York is one of the donors to the institution's latest capital campaign.

The people of New York City are doubly fortunate: First in being exposed to statues and banners evoking Communist murderers, and second in having their city, state and federal tax money go towards paying for these statues and banners! The people of the state and the nation also get to experience the joy of providing this art for the people of NYC.

Isn't that much better than living in some hick state where officials try to clutter up public places with privately-funded sculptures of the Ten Commandments?

[Sonny and/or Cher]

Che. I got you Che.

[Zeb]

It is silly to bother about Che t-shirts and statues. The mainstream left has never lionized him or thought he was OK at all. His likeness is popular among clueless hipsters and nut-job socialists and that is about it.

I think cunivore is right and we ought to first think more about the villainous characters from our own history who get undue honor from all parts of the political spectrum.

[dhex]

"Isn't that much better than living in some hick state where officials try to clutter up public places with privately-funded sculptures of the Ten Commandments?"

not much better, but yeah it is.

[Steve Martin]

According to the official description, the three statues are "in essence, statues of people performing as statues."

It's me looking at me looking at me!

[Joe]

What does Guevara`s memory offer the world today?

Perhaps his personal example, his Arthurian qualities, that remarkable determination to struggle and sacrifice for a set of beliefs. In an age when license and personal advantage continually dominate other considerations in private and public life, Guevara`s disdain for any reward but the victory of his ideals, his insistence upon discipline, especially for himself, his obliviousness to discomfort and danger in the pursuit of what he believed to be right surely be inspiring regardless of how one evaluates the philosophy that impelled him.

- Hasta la Victoria Siempre ! -

[Read a book]

"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed "an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."

---- Jon Lee Anderson, biographer who spent 5 years researching the man.

@ The Legacy of Che Guevara" at PBS Online Newshour Forum (20 November 1997)

[Mike in NYC]

"Che is fairly intellectual for a Latino."

~ Declassified CIA document

[Jose]

The Gonzalez who wrote the NY Times polemic diatribe, must be an exile Gusano.

Ya know ? those Cuban cast offs who fled their haciendas, and now support the terrorist Alpha 66 & Brigade 2506 organizations in Miami.

Speaking of "Terrorist" ? google Luis Posada Carriles

[Black Guy]

I think I'll go with Nelson Mandela on this one, when he declared:

"Che's life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom. We will always honor his memory."

[Viva U.$. Death Squads !]

DEATH COUNT:

Che Guevara = few hundred of Batista's henchmen, torturers, and rapists.

Reagan = 1 million Iraqi/Iranians by selling weapons to both sides
CONTRA death squads that lead to the deaths of 70,000 in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, and 30,000 in Nicaragua.

CHE < REAGAN

[Oy Vey !!!]

--> A NEW DEFINITION FOR "CHUTZPAH"

When someone who supports the same country that nuked 2 cities and turned 250,000 people to dust ? the same country that fire bombed Dresden and burned 150,000 women and child alive, the same country that killed 15 million Natives because they felt it was their 'manifest destiny' ? the same country that enslaved millions of blacks ? the same country whose CIA has killed 6 million people since 1950 (John Stockwell) ? the same country that invaded Iraq which has caused 950,000 + deaths ?

The same country that since 1949 has led CIA coups in - Greece, Iran, British Guyana, Guatemala, South Vietnam, Haiti, Laos, South Korea, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Brazil, Bolivia, Zaire, Ghana, Cuba, Cambodia, El Salvador, Chile, Australia, Liberia, Chad, Grenada, Fiji, Venezuela ? and installed puppet governments.

Not to mention propped up the many brutal tyrants like Pinochet, Suharto, Marcos, and Somoza + backed contra movements through the School of the Americas ?

-> HAS THE CHUTZPAH to pretend to be upset that Cuba under CHE had tribunals (just like the Nuremburg one after WWII the US had) and then as a result had a few hundred of the brutal dictator Batista's convicted henchmen, rapists, & torturers (most who were the secret police of the BRAC and who had killed 20,000 people) executed at La Cabana.

WOW ? there are no words for the audacity of such insanity !

Amerikkkan Reich-Wing Propaganda would make Goebbels blush.

[VIVA CHE !]

To me Che Guevara is one of the most heroic figures in world history who is a stoic example of what all those who speak of "revolution" should espouse to be.

This was a man who left a bourgeoisie comfortable life of the upper class, a potential well compensated career as a medical doctor, and a high regarded governmental position - each time to slog through the jungle and fight guerrilla wars against impenetrable odds = for a better and more equitable society.

Throughout his life Che tended to thousands of sick campesinos, helped construct dozens of schools throughout Cuba, worked in a Leper colony to helped those afflicted, and even when he was literally tied up in a small mud school house awaiting his own execution ! , still complained to the local teacher that in a nation where the leaders drove Mercedes ? it was a travesty that the peasants were taught in a dilapidated place like he was in.

Although I don't believe in religious dogma (neither did Che), and view myself as an atheist, I do find it telling that the person Che was so often compared to by those who knew him was Jesus Christ. Because of his implacable character, unbending morals, and innate desire to fight in favor of the afflicted, I think that those who knew him were left with no other figure to compare him to.

If the world had 100 Che's ? or hell even 10 ? we would be in much better shape.

[Xeones]

If the Che-lover above is a spoof, wow. Nicely done.

[Mad Max]

"his Arthurian qualities"

The only character from the Arthurian legends whom Che evokes is Mordred.

"Although I don't believe in religious dogma (neither did Che), and view myself as an atheist, I do find it telling that the person Che was so often compared to by those who knew him was Jesus Christ. Because of his implacable character, unbending morals, and innate desire to fight in favor of the afflicted, I think that those who knew him were left with no other figure to compare him to."

In that case, erecting a statue to him would violate the Wall of Separation Between Church and State. We don't allow 10 Commandments monuments or Christian statues in public places; why should there be a statue to a Christ-figure like Guevara?

[R C Dean]

Wow. This thread really brought the America-haters out of the woodwork, didn't it?

If the world had 100 Che's ? or hell even 10 ? we would be in much better shape.

What this world needs is more kleptocratic dictatorships and dead homosexuals?

[Joe \"The Commie\"]

What an OUTRAGE !!!

They should have made a statue of the great George Washington (slave owner), Thomas Jefferson (slave raper), or Andrew Jackson (indian killer) instead !!!

Who do these latte-sipping yahoos think they are ?

USA ! USA !

Gotta go ?

Sean Hannity is coming on ? now there's a boot-licker one can goose-step to.

[Existentialist]

"Che was the most complete human being of our age, our era's most perfect man."

~ Jean Paul Sartre

[Mark in Chicago]

Was Che perfect? Of course not. No human is.

But in mind he was awfully close considering the circumstances and cards he was dealt. I also find it telling that the best "canard" his detractors and those propagandists of monopoly capitalism can come up with - was his short stint at La Cabana prison. Where Che simply reviewed the cases and convictions of war criminals convicted by revolutionary tribunal (modeled after Nuremburg). The same secret police and Batista backed torturers that killed 20,000 people and tortured tens of thousands more.

At a time when Fidel and Che would release military captives in the Sierra after tending to them medically, the U.S. backed Dictator Batista would gouge the eyes out of captives until they gave away rebel positions. The fact that Che saw to it that justice was delivered cold to the Cuban people to me only makes him more heroic. He knew that a "pedagogy of the wall" was the only thing that could cleanse a society from the thousands of goons who raped and terrorized it with impunity.

I would implore those who give credence to the idea of a "revolution" ? to give much deserved recognition to one of the few men in the past century who literally threw aside "the arm chair" and went out to (imperfectly) create it.

[Saint Che]

In Bolivia, images of Che (Saint Ernesto) hang next to images of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, & Pope John Paul II.

Google "The Final Triumph of Saint Che"

[Patria O Muerte]

----- 8 FACTS THAT CHE-HATERS HATE -----

(1) Che was named one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century by Time Magazine, and listed as a "Saint and Icon".

(2) Che's famous image entitled: "Guerrillero Heroico" has been declared the most famous and reproduced image in the world.

(3) In September of 2007, Che was voted "Argentina's greatest historical and political figure", and this Summer they erected a giant statue of him in Rosario.

(4) In Argentina schools are named after Che.

(5) In Cuba, Che is on the 3 dollar Peso, and school children begin every morning reciting "we will be like Che".

(6) The revolutionary firing squads Che oversaw were supported by 93 % of Cubans at the time.

(7) Cuba under Batista was a Mafia ran casino and hooker haven for American tourists, where mostly US companies owned 75 % of the arable land. This is the context that Fidel and Che rose to power in.

(8) Che's radicalism was spawned from living in Guatemala during the 1953 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz by the CIA at the behest of the United Fruit Co & Dulles.

[Dogzilla]

"It's my estimation that every man
ever got a'statue made of him was one
kind of sommbitch or another."

--Malcolm Reynolds, from "Jaynestown" (Firefly)

[Abdul]

(2) Che's famous image entitled: "Guerrillero Heroico" has been declared the most famous and reproduced image in the world.

One fact che-lover's hate: the creator of the image never licensed this, hates that it sells t-shirts for hipsters, and he never sees a dime of the profit, let alone a 3 dollar peso with che's cuddly face.

Pobrecito!

[dhex]

GOLF CLAPS ALL AROUND!

[val]

Wow, are the Che lovers ever fucked up if their argument is that Bush, Jackson, blah, blah, etc etc were bad too. What the hell kind of argument is that, you yourself are comparing Che to the people you despise, and this is supposed to convince us somehow that we are wrong to despise that dirty murdering piece of shit?

[Mad Max]

'(1) Che was named one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century by Time Magazine, and listed as a "Saint and Icon".'

Time magazine? Wow, the ultimate Appeal to Authority.

'(3) In September of 2007, Che was voted "Argentina's greatest historical and political figure", and this Summer they erected a giant statue of him in Rosario.'

He may be a SOB, but he's *our* SOB, is probably a consideration with many patriotic Argentines. They're also probably grateful to him for doing his activities *outside* or Argentina.

'(4) In Argentina schools are named after Che.'

Like Commie Bastard Elementary?

'(5) In Cuba, Che is on the 3 dollar Peso, and school children begin every morning reciting "we will be like Che".'

The kids love him! And if they don't, the principal calls the kid's parents or black captain so that the poor kid can be set straight.

'(6) The revolutionary firing squads Che oversaw were supported by 93 % of Cubans at the time.'

The Cuban regime has been spending the past half-century trying to track down the remaining 7%. But I bet that minority is the same unpatriotic minority which keeps fleeing from Cuba in boats because they are desperate to be oppressed in Capitalist Amerikkka.

It's amazing that the regime never got around to holding free elections, considering how much popular support it obviously has. I imagine that they just never got around to it. It was right there on their "to do" pile, but with one thing and another, darned if they just forgot.

'(7) Cuba under Batista was a Mafia ran casino and hooker haven for American tourists, where mostly US companies owned 75 % of the arable land. This is the context that Fidel and Che rose to power in.'

Thank God there is no more prostitution in Cuba today!

'(8) Che's radicalism was spawned from living in Guatemala during the 1953 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz by the CIA at the behest of the United Fruit Co & Dulles.'

The United Fruit Company - is there anything they *can't* be blamed for? Now it turns out they caused the Cuban Communist takeover. Those fruity bastards!

[wayne]

"For some Cubans, liberation means rolling the dice on a raft trip across the Florida Straits."

Wait... Just hold on a minute. The US is evil and Che is... well, CHE!

[wayne]

The kids love him! And if they don't, the principal calls the kid's parents or black captain so that the poor kid can be set straight.

At least the Cubans have black captains. In the US, a brother can't catch a break.

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

[dumb yanks]

There seems to be an inverse relationship between the degree of hatred for CHE and the amount of information someone actually knows about him.

Read Jon Lee Anderon, Taibo II, or Castaneda ... and get off the reich-wing blogs.

[R C Dean]

There seems to be an inverse relationship between the degree of hatred or love for CHE and the amount of information someone actually knows about him.

Agree/disagree? Please debate using inappropriate capitalization.

[Mad Max]

It just occurred to me . . . if Guevara is on the Cuban peso, then thousands of Cubans are wiping their butts with Che every day!

[dhex]

anderson's book is worth reading, though i don't think it paints a particularly noble portrait. which is fine by me since i prefer my history to be light on supposed nobility.

reich wing? c-, needs more work.

"(6) The revolutionary firing squads Che oversaw were supported by 93 % of Cubans at the time. "

is that supposed to be an argument in his favor?

i do not think that means what you think it means.

[The Expatriate]

Can people get over the 60s already?

It's over. Done with. Che is caput, Castro is staring up at the hospital ceiling. So it goes.

The only people who wear Che t-shirts now are:

A. Unreconstructed Marxists

B. Contrarians who just enjoy pissing off prigs like David Gonzalez.

C. People who fall into the category of all of the above.

[capelza]

"B. Contrarians who just enjoy pissing off prigs like David Gonzalez."

This one! I don't know who David Gonzalez is, but if wearing a Che shirt makes some of the mouth breathing righties I know go into apoplectic tirades about dirty fucking hippies then my day is complete. Most of them have no idea who he was, or even where Bolivia is, but they KNOW he was the most evil guy evah!

[rana]

In other news...

Last week, the governor of Anzoategui State, Venezuela (un revolucionario bolivariano) inagurated a plaza in honor of Bob Dylan (un gringo).

[Charles J]

Che was fighting against ?

- American Oligarchy (United Fruit, Texaco, U.S. Sugar)
- The US based Mafia (1959 Havana)
- The Monroe Doctrine rationale for Latin American Imperialism (Bay of Pigs)
- The idea of "Banana Republics" (Arbenz 1953 coup)

It just kills Conservatives that such a heroic man will not go away. That is because these troglodytes can't fathom that he lives in the hearts of the hungry and the oppressed ? and that ideas never die.

Hence Che Lives on !

[Hank the Tank]

= PROPHETIC ???

"The United States hastens the delivery of arms to the puppet governments they see as being increasingly threatened; it makes them sign pacts of dependence to legally facilitate the shipment of instruments of repression and death and of troops to use them."

---- Che Guevara, April 9, 1961

[Cheney?s hunting partner]

I don't particularly like Castro, nor Cuba, nor Communism.

Still I find myself fascinated by Che Guevara.

Even a die hard capitalist like me can realize that the other side also has brave and admirable figures.

+ I wish anti-communists had a guy that looked this cool for a symbol ... Milton Friedman on a baby T just doesn't really win over the ladies.

[Gabe]

I'm with thoreau, this was obviously a Moynihan article, just from the title.

It seems Moynihan had a serious crush on Bill Buckley. A real hard on for cold war idiocy....the type of "free market" advocate who thought communist would take over the world if we didn't build trillions of dolalrs of nuclear bombs and tax our citizens in order to put bases in every country.

Moynihan,
Nelson Rockefeller was a bigger commie than Che and George Bush and Bill Clinton are bigger isolationist than Ron Paul.

If america hadn't put in place isolationist trade embargoes on Iraq and Cuba, Cuba would be a free nation today and Iraq would be much better off than it is today. Halliburton, Lockheed Martin and Jp Morgan wouldn't be as well off so that isn't the way things worked out.

[Travis]

This was quite possibly the best thread ever.

[Dominican]

1950's Cuba was the Caribbean's St Tropez, a playground to the rich. Havana was a neon-lit lair where characters such as Frank Sinatra and his Cuban counterpart, Beni More, worked the cash tills and played hard. Sultry, hot Latino girls competed with blondes from mainland America for the attention of royals and the kings of the boulevard.

= Then that "arrogant" Fidel and the adventurist "dreamer" from Argentina, Ernesto 'Che' Guevara, came and spoilt the fun with their communist revolution.

& the Oligarchs who fled their latifundios to Miami, have saw to it that the Cuban people (and their wage slaves) who backed the revolution - SUFFER - ever since.

[Jorge in Calle Ocho]

Che fought to free Latin America from the Yankee imperialists who raped it with impugnity.

That's why he is a hero to us real Latin Americans (not the ex rich white Cubans)

Hasta la Victoria Siempre !

[Sweet !]

-(TRAILER)- for the new film "Che" starring Benicio Del Toro

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808403435/video/10924831/

[Bob]

"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality... We must strive every day so that this love of living humanity will be transformed into actual deeds, into acts that serve as examples, as a moving force."

--- CHE GUEVARA