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As We Look Past the Next Four Years of Virtually Certain Unmitigated Crapitude, Here's a Couple of Thoughts on Election 2012

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As Brian Doherty noted not so many days—oy, it feels like years!—when it comes to electoral politics, small "l" and big "l" libertarians know disappointment like Charlie Brown knows kite-eating trees.

Yet as those of us who belong to that dwindling tribe of Mohicans who believe in choice not coercion, free minds and free markets, open borders, drug legalization, buyouts not bailouts, and more look to 2012, let's keep in mind two great hopes for a fun, invigorating, and informational presidential race.

I humbly submit that Duke University political science professor Michael Munger, who ran a strong bid as an Libertarian Party candidate for governor in North Carolina, set his eyes toward an even bigger and remote target in 2012, that stationary Death Star known as the White House. Here's a clip of Munger in action:

reason's Dave Weigel talked with Munger here.

And here's another ticket well worth considering, that of LP activist Angela Keaton and blogger Michelle Shingal:

Full disclosure: Keaton is married to Brian Doherty. Shinghal promises "a chicken in every pot" to everyone who follows this simple plan.

Munger and Keaton/Shinghal would doubtlessly run fun, media-savvy campaigns that would delight and edify the masses.

And as long as we're talking about revolution at the ballot box, let's not forget Matt Welch and Dan Haye's mad mood poem for the Ron Paul Revolution (long time passing):

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  1. Peter Griffin 2012

  2. Well, all I know is that the next 4 years will no doubt be better than the last 8. Dictator Bush has single handedly run this country into the ground!

    Jess
    http://www.Privacy-Center.net

  3. Charlie Kelly 2012

    “You look like a dick in that tiny jacket!”

  4. Why the hell not? Surely these two can slay the unholy cabal that’s about wrung our necks and cooked our gooses!

  5. Here’s a clip of Munger in action:

    Not funny, barely clever, perpetuates the LPs moonbat reputation. Color me unimpressed. Now if that beach had been crowded and he took off all his clothes and he had a big “VOTE for MUNGER” tattoo on his back.

    Keaton is married to Brian Doherty.
    Happily? Is it an “open” marriage? Do you have an “understanding”? I’m just asking… What? Whaddi’ I say?

  6. I humbly submit that Duke University political science professor Michael Munger, who ran a strong bid as an Libertarian Party candidate for governor in North Carolina,

    No, no, no. Haven’t we pretty conclusively proven that the vanity/symbolic campaign for President is utterly useless in building a viable political alternative to the Dems and Reps? Don’t we have decades of data that shows these campaigns don’t move the needle one nanometer our way?

    Time to focus on state and local races and party-building, big-L Libertarians.

  7. I will leave the LP and forget it ever existed if Keaton is the presidential nominee. There is such a thing as a big tent, but using “the nation’s largest third party” to run a joke campaign is out of the question — especially since this particular nominee believes in the smallest possible tent. I will never use the credibility I’ve tried to build in my community to explain why people should vote for some low-class hippie. And before you say “I don’t want those kinds of people to vote for me anyway,” consider that the “average” person, who looks “normal,” is the person you’re allegedly trying to “educate.”

    I nominate the Doherty/Keaton ticket for the Nobody Gives A Rat’s Ass What You Think Party.

  8. 2012? I’m just hoping for gridlock in 2010.

  9. I will leave the LP and forget it ever existed if Keaton is the presidential nominee.

    Drink-worthy?

  10. I agree, kind of a lame stunt. Now if he had performed self-immolation on the steps of the capitol like a buddhist monk, that would have got some attention.

  11. My attitude about politics is I’m going to get screwed no matter what, so I should at least be entertained. I’ll vote Keaton/Shinghal based on that criteria alone.

  12. oh woe is me! nothing will get better and everything sucks!

    I didn’t know Libertarians were the Emo-Kids of the political world.

  13. If you can’t be successful, at least try to be amusing.

  14. Woah. High five to Doherty!

  15. I didn’t know Libertarians were the Emo-Kids of the political world.

    Should I cut myself now?

  16. I concur: you do look like a dick in that tiny jacket. And the hairspray doesn’t help either.

  17. Your tribe increasingly irrelevant. Add to that: you have already dismissed the people’s choice and crap. What a wanker remark. Littler wonder you are all off in a corner stroking each other…Ps: 8 years, not 4…and the pickings you present? sad, at best.

  18. I just graduated from Duke in 2008 as a political science major. While I never got to take a class with Munger, I know him to be an incredibly intelligent guy and real libertarian. While I would absolutely relish a national campaign, I fear he performance at the state level is tragically prescient. I’m crossing my fingers, though….

  19. Your tribe increasingly irrelevant.

    Your post increasingly incoherent.

  20. Shingal exemplifies what’s wrong with libertarians… Getting a “fucking job” isn’t exactly a solution for a child growing up in poverty. It isn’t a solution for someone living in a dying town. It just makes you all look like phenomenal douchebags.

  21. WTF is with people that think a black background and tiny white print makes an easy-to-read website?

  22. a child growing up in poverty.

    People who use children as emotional bludgeons for political points are abhorrent little fuckers.

  23. You know what’s a solution for someone living in a dying town? Moving.

  24. WTF is with people that think a black background and tiny white print makes an easy-to-read website?

    Maybe the Urkobold can answer that question.

  25. Ironically enough, many people in dying towns have found employment at chicken processing plants.

  26. Hey Question Mark person,

    I grew up in Detroit. I moved to a different city when I saw the job pool was shrinking and the future looking bleak. I have no sympathy for people that will sit on their ass and wait for someone to hand them the world. Fate helps those that help themselves.

  27. AO,
    I’m not the “emo” kid of the political world. I’m the bitter old drunk of the political world. It’s just one of those things that needs to be straightened out.

  28. Also as evidence, the Rust Belt states are probably going to lose 2-3 electoral votes each after this next census. Not everyone is content to sit in a dying town and wait for a government bailout.

  29. While joseph hill sounds like a little bitch, he’s right on one point: These candidates could never even make a respectable showing in an election.

  30. @R C Dean

    “Time to focus on state and local races and party-building, big-L Libertarians.”

    I dislike and distrust government so very much I couldn’t possibly be part of it.

    –Ed

  31. I have a novel idea for the Libertarian party: stop being a bunch of extremist idiots. There are tens of millions of Americans who identify with the general idea of libertarianism–social liberalism with economic conservatism–but aren’t quite ready for buying heroin out of vending machines, or forcing the fire department to find voluntary funding. I don’t know…maybe in a democracy it works better for a party to attract more people than it scares away.

    In my mind, the Libertarian Party is like a football team that only throws long, only blitzes, and never punts, runs the ball, or kicks for three. You can imagine a team like that being 0-18 most every season. Democracy requires give and take and moderation, and those who prefer an everything-or-nothing approach usually get the latter.

    So, the choice is pretty clear. Become a liberal democratic party that can run on more moderate and general themes of personal liberty; have the flexibility and diversity among candidates to challenges Congressional candidates of either party that run unopposed in most elections because of gerrymandering; concentrate on winning elections rather than playing spoiler, as though that’s ever accomplished anything; make alliances with the major and minor parties when useful; and become a significant political force. Or, just keep on looking for spoilers and novelty candidates that make you more of a curiosity than a movement.

  32. I thought the Barr/Root campaign was a joke. How could the Libertarians do any worse than those two jokers?

    Libertarians have one big thing in common with big government liberals, they don’t believe the nation is worth defending. As long as they believe you only defend the U.S. if Al Qaeda is walking down third avenue then they will be doomed to less than one percent of the vote. I don’t care how many oceans they swim in.

  33. In my mind, the Libertarian Party is like a football team that only throws long, only blitzes, and never punts, runs the ball, or kicks for three.

    That’s exactly how I play Madden! Go for it on 4th down, hell yeah!

  34. TDR can go TDY from the LP and nobody would give a S.H.I.T. unless he took B.H., B.B., B.R., A.S., and B.S. with him. Take a guess on the LNC intials.

    The font is set up that way to get people to read it. It works, too!

    The Keaton-Doherty marriage is none of clueless tool Warren’s fucking business, but it’s strong, happy, and doing fine. I know them, but I’m not either of them. Warren gets his moonbat in pie-in-the-sky flaming liberal President-elect If Ya Smell What Barack Is Cookin’. Gods help us all.

    And there is no indication Munger is running for President in 2012 yet. But he’d be far sight better than BarrRoot or any of the tools the DP or GOP whore out.

    Pass the Vaseline, the government screwing is about to get much worse.

    Thanks to the 80% of the population that are well-meaning idiots, the 10% that are pure evil stay in power, and we all get raped more. at least the other 10% of us that are cynics and get the problems have more to do, but that’s not a good thing.

  35. chairman,

    the LP doesn’t compromise its adult principles to the kindergarten levels of the major parties, because, as BarrRoot showed when they did, IT DOESN’T WORK! The only people I see who advocate heroin in vending machines, to use your extremely stupid example, are the critics like you looking for their own quick hit of blow. Nevermind that our economic predictions are spot-on and we have the plan that can solve the problem, they want to put a drug machine on every corner! (And nevermind that drug machines are already on every corner, but the drugs are sugar and caffeine!) It’s a strawman put forth by morons who can’t stand freedom and refuse to be responsible for themselves. We call them STATISTS.

    Maybe the problem is that the American voters are mostly fools who rely on Big Brother and Big Nanny way too much. The low vote totals are from those actually get it.

    patrick1,

    We do believe the nation is worth defending, you clueless fool. If Al-Qaeda starts coming down 3rd avenue we’ll be the only line of defense because the military will still be overseas and the statists will have disarmed everyone else at home. Besides, do you honestly think that the reason that hasn’t happened yet is only from their patience and our dumb luck and self-destruction from the political front? It sure isn’t the random acts of luck and common acts of incompetence that make up the DHS! As long as the fools in DC keep doing what they’re doing, all Al-Qaeda has to do is sit back, laugh, and wait. And that’s exactly what they are doing.

  36. Tannim — Well, with eloquent spokesmen like yourself in the LP, how could it NOT succeed!

    I’m really sorry I insulted your friends, but let’s be honest — they are getting involved in POLITICS. And what I said is NOTHING compared to what those radical douchebags (such as yourself, I’m sure) were saying about Barr for the last 6 months. So if you can’t handle someone laughing at the idea of Angela Keaton running for PRESIDENT, then maybe you’d better go grow a pair before she ever actually jumps in the race.

  37. BTW, partrick1, national defense starts with DEFENSE, not OFFENSE, and that starts at home. DHS is doing what the Defense, Justice, and Commerce Departments SHOULD be doing instead of what they are doing. Therefore the focus in DC is wrong and the government is bloated and DHS is unnecessary. Many libertarians have served and currently serve honorably in the military. So STFU on this honor crap, you clueless fool!

  38. Oh, and for what it’s worth, maybe if Keaton and Ruwart went TDY we could actually have a functional, credible LNC. But so long as the radicals inhabit the ranks, intent on circle-jerking each other, the LP will be a laughing stock for ANOTHER 35 years.

  39. Hit & Run wouldn’t be Hit & Run if concern trolls didn’t stop by to lecture us all the time. It’s amazing how so many people seem to have our best interests at heart.

  40. I don’t know who the fuck you think the concern trolls are; I’m here all the time and I don’t see you say anything vaguely resembling an intelligent comment. I get pissed off about douchebags like Keaton and Ruwart because I would actually like to see the LP be a credible party and I’m out busting my ass to make it happen.

  41. The font is set up that way to get people to read it. It works, too!

    Not on me. When I need to squint to read a page on my monitor that’s a foot away from my head, the page / website is generally ignored.

    Haven’t bothered with Urkobold for that reason.

  42. TDR, the clueless douchebags in this world such as yourself will never understand much of anything or anybody.

    And I can handle people laughing about Keaton/Shinghal. THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF THEIR RUN, TO GET PEOPLE TO LAUGH AND HAVE FUN AGAIN. I’m sorry you don’t get the obvious. But you’re just a waste of food and oxygen, and I’m just exercising my morning grouchiness by pointing out that obviousness.

    One last thing: 6 months? HAH! Barr, like “Saint” Paul, had a fraudulent conversion, and I was criticizing him from day 1. Another illustration of your ineptness.

  43. ravac,

    It’s called CTRL + scroll wheel down. You might want to try it.

  44. You don’t know anything about me, you arrogant, self-righteous prick. If you don’t know how to have a cup of coffee before you start writing, that’s your problem. But if you think the purpose of a PRESIDENTIAL TICKET is to “laugh and have fun”, YOU need to visit a neurologist.

  45. TDR complains about the Libertarian wing of the LP, meaning he is just another Reformertard.

    Go ahead, TDR, leave, and don’t let the door hit you in the head on the way out! You had your shot and you failed.

  46. I was actually calling out chairman, but it’s interesting that you immediately thought I was talking to you. Hmm.

    Anyway, the LP is dead, permanent withered as a brand due to a parade of ridiculous candidates and outre positions. The best thing to do is to disassociate libertarian thought from the sad collection of stealth Republicans and anarcho-capitalists that call themselves the Libertarian Party. Libertarian ideas are not completely unpalatable to the American public, but no one but a fool would eat a dinner served by a slavering maniac.

  47. I don’t drink coffee. Talk to your proctologist about your lobotomy; it’s overdue.

    The purpose of an LP presidential campaign is to build the party and maintain ballot access in states where the presidential race actually matters for it. Period.

    And yes, I am self-righteous, and damned proud of it. It comes from the confidence of knowing who you are and where you stand. And if it rubs you the wrong way, then perhaps you are the one with the problems, not me. Take responsibility for yourself and control your own reactions. THAT is the essence of libertarianism.

    Pardon me while I stop laughing enough to finish my breakfast.

    Goodbye all, and I feel sorry for Doherty having to put up with this crowd.

  48. Well, you “Libertarian wingers” had 35 years to make a shot. Now tell me just what, exactly, was accomplished?

    As for “laughing” — I remember a picture of Angela Keaton and some other jerkoff (it was probably you) at the National Convention this year. They had somehow managed to STEAL Shane Cory’s floor pass and were holding it up for the camera, LAUGHING ABOUT IT. Well, if THAT is what we need to be “laughing” about, then you can laugh by yourself. Keaton is low class, and you purists are the most arrogant bunch of incompetent pricks I have ever encountered.

  49. I think it’s spelled “craptitude,” not “crapitude”.

  50. Tannim, you are one smug sack of shit. That’s what comes from being so full of yourself that you can’t listen to anything else. I feel sorry for you for being a fan of Doherty. Peace.

  51. SugarFree: My apologies for my overreaction; I assumed you meant me because you posted right after me. And yes, I have a guilty conscience when I engage in a flame war.

    Also, what you just said is very intelligent, and I agree 100%.

  52. SugarFree, that was your first post, so I don’t see any calling out going on.

    As for the slavering maniacs, sure, people do that. It’s called fast food and soup kitchens. It’s analogous to people ascribing to the political views of the major parties in today’s Short Attention Span Theater: fast, with what appears to be substance but in reality is shit.

  53. Smug? No. Certain? Absolutely.

    And you’ve pissed yourself off for the day, so that means everything else is gravy, and my point is proven, you do need to take self-responsibility and control your reactions.

  54. Tannim,

    I’m quite aware of how to increase font size, thanks.

    The problem lies with dark backgrounds and white text. That combo sucks. Period.

    As a counter example, see how easy this site is to read?

  55. I accidentally deleted the salutation before posting.

    Anyway, “calling out” as a polite way of saying “insulting.”

    I’m registered with the LP. I never been registered with any other party, in fact, but they’ve never been anything to me but a protest vote. At least twenty commenters on this board would be a better public face for libertarianism.

  56. @Jess Wilder | November 21, 2008, 9:20am

    Yeah, and the Islamofascists aren’t too pleased with Bush either. Get over your BDS. 4 years of the Obamessiah will have you praying for the GOP in 2012.

    Welcome to the Socialist States of America, sweetpea.

  57. Wow! I haven’t seen this much internecine flaming since I read a post at Daily Kos. If this is what debate is like within the LP I don’t want any part of it. Y’all can just keep pissin’ on each other at the kids table while the adults run the show.

  58. At least twenty commenters on this board would be a better public face for libertarianism

    Well, of course I would, NutraSweet, as long as I remembered to clean the blow off my nose and didn’t let the hookers come to interviews with me. But it’s so hard to say “no” to them.

  59. I was thinking of you, actually. With your oily charm, you’d make a perfect politician.

  60. TDR complains about the Libertarian wing of the LP, meaning he is just another Reformertard.

    Everyone knows the way to build a movement is constant excommunications for failing to properly adhere to The One True Faith.

  61. Thanks to the 80% of the population that are well-meaning idiots

    Oh, I forgot: political relevance is achieved through smug and condescending attitudes towards a vast majority of the electorate.

    1. “Thanks to the 80% of the population that are well-meaning idiots”

      This might be a reference to communist Vladimir Lenin’s characterization of his supporters with “a derogatory phrase used by communists to describe true democrats who collaborate with them to achieve ‘democracy’ as ?Useful Idiots.”

  62. Tannim: Influencing People and Making New Friends.?

  63. What about all those conspiraloons who told me in no uncertain terms that Bush would declaer martial law and NEVER leave office. Is that still going to happen? We have less than two months to find out.

    If the wild eyed wackos are right, then mothing Munger, Keaton or Singal can do to stop it. Our last remaining hope is to stand on street corners waving signs.

    p.s. Oh, we’re also supposed to be on the Amero in two weeks time. Is taht still going to happen too?

  64. I was thinking of you, actually. With your oily charm, you’d make a perfect politician.

    Don’t I know it. Unfortunately, I have so many skeletons in my closet I might as well be John Wayne Gacy. Or would that be skeletons in the crawlspace? No matter. You get the point.

  65. Delurking…

    Based on my personal experience, nobody’s going to take the LP seriously until more actual members do the same.

    Back during the 2000 election cycle I lived in L.A., one of my partners and I (who had more than 30 years collective experience creating award-winning radio ads) approached the LP with two separate radio campaigns to raise awareness about the LP.

    As guys with distinct libertarian leanings, we we were willing to write, produce and deliver a complete ad campaign for ZERO money upfront (with the idea we’d take some modest compensation on the back-end only if the spots actually brought in any significant donations).

    We also had a strategy for highly cost-effective air buys mapped-out.

    I made several calls to the LP communications director in D.C. (can’t remember the name offhand) which were never returned. I finally did speak with him, and he suggested we get in touch with the then-head of the California LP (who, ironically, lived about two blocks from me). Didn’t make much sense to us, but we contacted the CA guy anyway (Juan Ros, IIRC). He never got it together to even schedule a meeting with us, even after repeated calls which we initiated.

    Frustrating.

    I remarked upon this with a friend (who has been an LP member for more than twenty years); her response was, “What the hell did you expect? They’re Libertarians.”

    True that.

    In 2004, I moved back to OH to help care for a parent and also got involved with doing free radio ads for Bill Peirce’s gubernatorial campaign. His campaign staff had it together surprisingly well, but the Ohio LP was apparently pissy about doing basic things like sharing their email list, since Bill was an LP “outsider”.

    Despite such stupidity, we managed to pull as much as 5% of the vote in some OH counties.

    As a result of the above, I’ve largely given up on the LP, aside from voting for Libertarian candidates who aren’t goofballs.

    I’m now living in Atlanta and still have all of my notes from 2000 regarding the radio campaign to raise awareness of the party on a shoestring budget. And I’m still willing to “give it away”, if I ever see any evidence of a serious, credible political party.

    I ain’t holding my breath.

    Back to lurking…

  66. I’ve never understood why people think that Libertarians must necessarily be disorganized and akin to “herding cats”.

    Libertarians need to get some friggin’ discipline and stop being so fashionably nutty and flaky.

    “Oooohh…look at us! We’re hard to organize and we believe all kinds of wacky shit! Aren’t we cute?”

    No, you aren’t. You look like a bunch of morons.

  67. Hey Jess, Is Bush an incompetent monkey or an evil genius, I can never get the loony left talking points straight.

  68. I’ve never understood why people think that Libertarians must necessarily be disorganized and akin to “herding cats”.

    Disorganized? Not necessarily. Herding cats? Well, are you paying attention to this thread? There’s way too much of the “no true scotsman” bs floating around the LP.

  69. LP activist Angela Keaton and blogger Michelle Shingal

    I’d punch that ticket! 😉

  70. the LP doesn’t compromise its adult principles to the kindergarten levels of the major parties, because, as BarrRoot showed when they did, IT DOESN’T WORK!

    So instead you sit on the sidelines and carp. How is that more mature than say, accomplishing something meaningful.

    The only people I see who advocate heroin in vending machines, to use your extremely stupid example, are the critics like you looking for their own quick hit of blow.

    Actually, heroin is “smack”, and cocaine is “blow”, and I don’t have the sinuses for coke, or the deathwish for smack. But your own party platform calls for the repeal of all drug laws, and in true libertarian fashion, there’s no middle ground, so how is my example stupid?

    Nevermind that our economic predictions are spot-on and we have the plan that can solve the problem, they want to put a drug machine on every corner! (And nevermind that drug machines are already on every corner, but the drugs are sugar and caffeine!)

    That’s my point. You have very good ideas, but you’re so extreme and absolute that you scare off people who would otherwise vote for you, or you offer yourselves as spoilers for the ultimate benefit of the socialists. Doesn’t it bother you at all that you’ve done more to get statists elected than you have to advance the cause of liberty?

    It’s a strawman put forth by morons who can’t stand freedom and refuse to be responsible for themselves. We call them STATISTS.

    See? It’s all or nothing. I support ending the drug war, legalizing most drugs to some extent. I want to eliminate most taxes and see the government’s role in life dramatically reduced. I want more open borders, free trade, gun rights, etc. But I’m not all the way up in the top corner of the World’s Smallest Political Quiz, so I’m a STATIST!!!

    Maybe the problem is that the American voters are mostly fools who rely on Big Brother and Big Nanny way too much. The low vote totals are from those actually get it.

    Okay, so the most logical question in light of that is why the hell are you particpating in the democratic process at all. Absolutists tend to have more success as revolutionaries. Get your guns, resist, destabilize the government, take over. You’ve obviously failed as a political movement, so why don’t you do something useful? Aren’t you tired of achieving nothing?

  71. Time to focus on state and local races and party-building, big-L Libertarians.

    You’re assuming the result would be any different. Several states have serious state and local LP campaigns, and they have topped out at the 10% level.

    The voting public isn’t buying what we’re selling. Going door-to-door won’t help much.

  72. It’s funny how so many people tell the LP what it needs to do to win while ridiculing it for its irrelevance.

    If the LP is so irrelevant and ineffective, why not just start your own party and do it your way? Check back in 30 years with a list of all your electoral successes.

  73. I don’t think that focusing on state and local elections is the key to success for libertarians, though it certainly is useful.

    What would be useful is Fabianism, and a willingness to put candidates up in uncontested elections. Something like 40% of Congressmen run unopposed in general elections because their districts are designed to shut out the primary opposition, either Democrat or Republican. Libertarians are ideologically capable of playing to either right or left, while simultaneously presenting themselves as a clear alternative to either. If Libertarians are able to be flexible and moderate in their beliefs, they can win districts that a Republican or a Democrat can’t. And once they’re in the House, their Senate candidates become viable alternatives, rather than spoilers.

    A Libertarian presidential candidate at that point could at least win a few states. Such a result could force a presidential election into the House, where a Libertarian caucus could play kingmaker, rather than spoiler.

    One of the things that irks me about the Libertarian Party is that it seems to ignore their most basic assumption, that people left to rely on their own intelligence and determination are best able to prosper. I believe that, but that’s despite the sad history of the party that most dearly holds that same belief. Why not live as you believe, use your determination and intelligence to improve yourselves and your country?

  74. Yeah, and the Islamofascists aren’t too pleased with Bush either. Get over your BDS. 4 years of the Obamessiah will have you praying for the GOP in 2012.

    Welcome to the Socialist States of America, sweetpea.

    Is this a joke? Am I going to be praying for the GOP to return the US to the free-market wonderland Bush ran from 2000-2008? It’s been the SSA since Bush got elected, buddy. Obama’s got some big ol’ socialist shoes to fill following Bush, though I’m sure he won’t have much of a problem.

  75. Hey, Jess! If you think nothing could possibly be worse than Bush (on the whole, one of the best Presidents we’ve ever had), you must have an IQ of 0, just like your Messiah. Also, your crystal ball must be pretty cracked to be making predictions as retarded as the ones you’re making when the DJIA is down 20% after 0’s election, Al-Qaeda’s mocking 0 for a “house negro” and Iran’s openly gathering enough material to build itself a nuke.

    I predict the next 4 years will consist of massive nationalization and taxation, gun confiscation, child enslavement, the de facto repeal of the First and Second Amendments to the Constitution, wars in Sudan and Pakistan, nuclear showdowns with Iran, rolling blackouts in the USA and worldwide starvation due to Gore’s Global Warming (now Climate Change) BS. Worst of all, this brain-dead eunuch you droolers elected is almost certain to bring about the loss of our national sovereignty (and thereby our Constitution itself) to that bastard brainchild of commie fag tree-humpers such as yourself, the UN.

    Of course, you hypocrite lefturd traitors were always bitching about “national sovereignty” whenever you could hit Bush over the head with it, pretending without the least hint of irony that everybody was somehow better off under the likes of Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. Let’s see how you like being the UN’s catamites, cocksuckers!

  76. Shingal exemplifies what’s wrong with libertarians… Getting a “fucking job” isn’t exactly a solution for a child growing up in poverty.

    Pftt…Shinghal grew up poverty stricken due to government handouts. Her mother divorced her father due to regular bullshit that could’ve been worked out but for the food stamps and welfare check which made a relationship in normal hard times easier to throw away. Shinghal never used the free lunch card at school and learned early on (as a child washing cars and cutting grass) that you have to work for what you want and need. (Necessity required those earnings to be used for utility bills for a family of 6 because those programs require you to stay in poverty.) Shinghal is only what is ‘wrong’ with libertarianism because you don’t understand the onion layers. Shinghal only travels the world and drives a Porsche because she got it the old fashioned way: She married the money.

    Fuckhead.

    (I’m Michelle Shinghal and I approve this message even though I’m in Vegas and tired after a week in South America on vacay.)

  77. “Hey Jess, Is Bush an incompetent monkey or an evil genius, I can never get the loony left talking points straight.”
    Bush is most certainly an incompetent monkey.

  78. I can never get the loony left talking points straight.”

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