The Next Time You Need a Cop, Call a Hippie…

Bill O'Reilly had a lot of fun last night with this footage of a reporter bearding former Weather Underground superstar Bill Ayers outside his home.

The whole segment is fun, but things really get cooking around the one-minute mark:

"When a terrorist guy needs some help, who does he call?," asks O'Reilly, laughing. "The cops, just like everyone else."

More reason on Bill Ayers, who may not be a serious campaign issue, for sure, but is still a fool whose past and present is worth remembering.

O'Reilly threatens reason's Jacob Sullum:

O'Reilly calls Ron Paul "a pretty frightening guy" and I disagree, earlier this year:

Comments

[Lefiti]

Isn't this old, pre-racist-newsletter- revelations news about Ron Paul? Why play it now? To embarrass Nick Gillespie? But Gillespie posted it. Geez, this latest curv ball reality has thrown your ideology has really rattled the grey matter, hasn't it?

[Jim Bob]

Sup, Neil.

[SIV]

Hilarious
I hate Illinois Commies

[Bill Cooke]

I wouldn't call the cops. I would get my gun and shoot that fucker for being on my property after I asked him to leave. Being a reporter doesn't give you the right to be a stalker.

[Fluffy]

I wish some deep-pockets person would create a "journalism" outfit for the sole purpose of hiring people to stalk O'Reilly and all his producers and employees 24/7, using the ambush style he employs with other people.

And I mean relentless, day after day, night after night, month after month, year after year.

[ed]

I would get my gun and shoot that fucker for being on my property after I asked him to leave. Being a reporter doesn't give you the right to be a stalker.

But being a property-owner gives you the right to be a murderer? Wow.

[SIV]

I would get my gun and shoot that fucker for being on my property after I asked him to leave.

You don't have that "legal right" in Illinois thanks in part to fuckers like Ayers and Obama.
The reporter wasn't cited for trespass so it isn't clear that he even committed that offense.

[John]

Ayers is a peice of shit who openly advocated for the murder of 25 million Americans and a real communist revolution. Not that the clown could have ever accomplished it, but being a clown doesn't make his view any less repusive. He deserves whatever he gets and more.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

"O'Reilly calls Ron Paul "a pretty frightening guy" "

He finds Paul "frightening"? WTF?

More like "scaring me because he may expose the GOP as hypocrites on small government"

[SIV]

Does Ayers really claim to be an anarchist?
I really hate Communist fake "anarchists".

[Mr. Nice Guy]

"You don't have that "legal right" in Illinois thanks in part to fuckers like Ayers and Obama."

I don't think you have a legal right anywhere in the US to shoot someone for merely not exiting your property when asked to leave. Even in Georgia.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

So I seriously doubt that but for "fuckers like Ayers and Obama" folks would have that right.

I don't feel much sympathy for a guy like Ayers though. He seeks the limelight.

[SIV]

MNG,

In Chicago Illinois you don't have the right to own a gun, use it to confront a trespasser or defend yourself.I assumed the "shoot to kill" part of Cooke's comment was just hyperbole.

[zoltan]

Isn't it called the Castle Doctrine in the great state of Texas?

[Happy Cat]

"I don't think you have a legal right anywhere in the US to shoot someone for merely not exiting your property when asked to leave. Even in Georgia."

Florida has stand-ur-ground law. Dat cud has applied in dis case.

[zoltan]

In Chicago Illinois you don't have the right to own a gun, use it to confront a trespasser or defend yourself.I assumed the "shoot to kill" part of Cooke's comment was just hyperbole.

What exactly can you use it for?

[Brandybuck]

I really hate Communist fake "anarchists".

Ditto. Go to Berkeley and you'll find tons of these fake anarchists. They're ideology seems to be "no rules whatsoever for me, but I demand the right to impose arbitrary rules on you!" Those are the blackshirts. The "intellectual" anarchists will tell you that authoritarianism is the road to anarchy.

[Happy Cat]

"What exactly can you use it for?"

Chicago iz exempt frum teh Bill ov Rights.

[J sub D]

Man, if only I could shoot people for merely hassling me there would be a lot of dead people in my wake. Beggars, Jehovah's Witlesses, the Fuller brush man (who should have got the hint while stepping over the Mary Kay lady's corpse), petition gatherers (you too, Donderoooooo)...

?Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree??

[libertymike]

A lot has been made of the victims, and their families, who were targets of the Weatherman. The american public has not heard so much about the lives of North Vietnamese families who were the targets of John McCain. Families shredded. Little boys instantly blown to pieces. What about the Little Vietnamese children, watching in horror, as their parents get blown up?

Oh, is anybody stupid enough to assert that McCain does not have this blood on his hands?

[An Honest Question]

"Oh, is anybody stupid enough to assert that McCain does not have this blood on his hands?"

But that was government authorized blood. It is OK to kill people if the government tells you to.

[SOFL Hockey Fan]

Did Ayers say something about the reporter being on his "private property"? Property is theft, man! Back off, Bourgeois Bill!!!

[just my opinion]

@Happy Cat: That's funny once, maybe twice. More than that it becomes too painful to read, and your posts will be skipped, which might be a pity.

[Lefiti]

This shit doesn't sell. Donate now!

[J sub D]

Oh, is anybody stupid enough to assert that McCain does not have this blood on his hands?

After extensive historical research I've come to these startling conclusions.

1) Innocent people die in wars. According to my research, this applies to all wars.
2) Innocent people kill in wars. Again, according to my research, this applies to all wars.
3) In the aftermath of wars, self satisfied people who have not borne the burden of engaging in these fucked up travesties of human behavior, find it very easy to sanctimoniously toss blame arouund. According to my research, this also applies to all wars.

I would write a book about it, but it appears that the above conclusions have been reached by others before me.

[Jim Bob]

Bash the South some more, MNG. Doing so bolsters your arguments.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

I'm pretty sure the Castle Doctrine requires something more than someone refusing to step off your property before it justifies you shooting them.

libertymike
I think there are differences. For one, McCain was acting under the authority of the law, Ayers knew he was not. For another, North Vietnam was an evil nation, the U.S. was not. Lastly I'm not sure about this, but I doubt McCain was intending civilian casualties and I think Ayers was.

"I assumed the "shoot to kill" part of Cooke's comment was just hyperbole."

Sure SIV. BTW there was no "shoot to kill" part of Cooke's comment.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Sorry Jim Bob. In actuality Georgia is one of the finest states of the century.

The 18th century to be exact.

[SIV]

MNG,

Treat every gun as if it is loaded.
Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction/down range.
Don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
I believe "don't shoot anything you don't intend to destroy" comes next on the basic rules of firearms safety. So yeah, "shoot to kill" is implied.

I'll also add "be familiar with the operation of the firearm" and "keep it unloaded until ready to use".

[Cab]

I laugh every time I see O'Reilly tell Jacob to stay away from him, "and [his] family." Priceless.

[tarran]

Actually, any property right encodes within it the right to use force to defend that right.

Ayer's is pissed off at trespassers. he calls the cops. The cops show up. they order the tresspasser to leave. He refuses. They atempt to use force to kick him off the property he resists. The cops are allowed to escalate up to deadly force to get him to comply with their orders.

In this case, the cops are acting as agents of the property owner - they were calle din by him to enforce his right. I do not see a big difference between the property owner calling for an agent to force someone off his property and doing the deed himself.

Of course, there are all kinds of hair splitting arguments we could have on the subject. Hell, people have written papers on the subject of what the moral response to tresspass is. But, at some point, if you accept people have a right to own property, you have to permit them to enforce that right in the face of physical opposition, and any enforcement action comes with the risk of death for the guy on the receiving end of the violence.

[joe]

The "stand your ground" law only applies in cases of physical harm.

Not "get off my lawn."

[joe]

Also, lots of states have "stand your ground" laws about your own property.

Florida's law is noteworthy in that you can shoot someone dead, without first trying to leave the scene of the confrontation, even if it's not your property, but a public place.

[Orange Line Special]

Nice try by the Obama-supporting "libertarians" at Reason to minimize the Ayers issue. The fact remains that he and BHO had a long working relationship, serving on two boards together. Ayers selected BHO to head one organization, something that the MSM has tried to obfuscate. That organization then gave almost a million dollars to an Ayers group that was run by a committed communist.

And, BHO's group and Ayers' group shared the same floor of the same small building for a few years.

And, BHO's explanation of the relationship has shifted over time, as the facts have come out.

But, it's great to know that Reason and Insty can have some fun, while we wait for BHO to win and then stock the permanent DC establishment with his friends from the ChicagoMachine.

If anyone wants to prevent Reason from getting their way, write Instapundit and ask him why he isn't pushing this highly effective way to defeat Barack Obama. A video tape of BHO being asked a tough question and failing to answer it would be devastating. But, we need people to go out and try to ask him those questions. And for that we need people who get a lot of traffic to push it.

Why isn't Instapundit and the rest of the Pajamas Media gang pushing that plan?

[joe]

McCain: 14.

Da Ayers: 97.

[Paul]

I would get my gun and shoot that fucker for being on my property after I asked him to leave.

Not in Chicago you wouldn't.

[Max]

Ayers ends his book "Fugitive Days" comparing the action of the three soldiers who put a stop to the My Lai massacre to the three Weathermen who died in a botched bomb-making fiasco in New York City. In his view, both were doing the same heroic thing: trying to stop the evil U.S. from killing innocents.

Trouble with his view is the Weathermen (and Ayers) are more like Sgt. Calley and the massacrers than the stoppers of such. The bombs they were making were aimed at innocent civilians and military men who were slated to have a dance. Exactly like the situation at My Lai: a mix of military and civilian.

I must say, I enjoyed immensely watching Mr. Weatherman "all cops are pigs," "all property is theft" Ayers demand the reporter get off his property and then call the police.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that Ayers is a pathetic piece of human excrement?

[Scott]

Heh, I wonder what O'Reilly would do if he caught one of his kids smoking a joint. "Lock this radical crazed addict up for life! Before he kills everyone in his path! Keep him away from my family!"

Just because Mister Clean over there says he doesn't smoke, drink, drink coffee, overeat, masturbate, watch porn, or alter his consciousness in any way whatsoever (which I don't doubt...if anyone needs a stiff drink it's O'Reilly) doesn't mean he or the government should get to decide that everyone must live by those preferences or go to jail. Drugs really aren't my thing, but I couldn't care less if a bunch of dudes are crashed out in their living room somewhere getting high off their rockers. Heck, most of my favorite rock bands were fueled by constant consciousness alteration. Just don't let them near my family 😉

[Hogarth]

I would get my gun and shoot that fucker for being on my property after I asked him to leave.

Like we're supposed to believe that an Ayers/Obama supporting navel-gazer even has a gun, much less the eggs to use it.

[Naga Sadow]

LONEWACKO!!!!!!!!!!!!

*shakes fist in air*

[Paul from Florida]

A leftist, scum, commie, taxes on working people supported professor demands his property rights!

Poor little cop killer, student killer, enlisted killer!

He should see how the media is treating Joe the Plumber. Frigg'n guy asks one question and is hounded, Democrat state workers illegally search multiple state data bases( I thought only McChimpHaliburton did that?).

[Drew]

It was Lt. Calley, not Sgt.

AFWIW, in CA if you perceive that someone on your property is a threat to you or others, you may use deadly force as long as you perceive that threat to exist.
When the cops ask you why you shot the intruder, you just respond:
I thought he was going to kill me.
Then you shut up, and call/ask for, your lawyer.

[Mad Max]

"O'Reilly calls Ron Paul 'a pretty frightening guy'"

Talk about the pot calling the kettle, uh, a whited sepulchure.

Talk about frightening.

Bill O'Reilly can go door-to-door on Halloween without a costume and he'd blend right in.

[Ironic]

I'm not a big fan of Bill O'Reilly but I'm even less of a fan of Ayers. If I must support one of these two people in the situation, I will support O'Reilly. At least Bill has not tried to kill an innocent person to my knowledge.

[PicassoIII]

Happy Cat wrote:
Chicago iz exempt frum teh Bill ov Rights.

*sigh*
Sad but true my furry friend.
The citizens are stripped of any possible protection while the cops will be issued M4s.
Cameras everywhere and they've started up roadblock safety checkpoints. Not just in the ghettos but in up and comming areas like Humbolt Park.
Daley II daily goes his merry autocratic way.

[anarch]

tarran, good point about others' accelerated mortality guaranteeing your ownership. It took me some philosophical groping a while back before I realized that ownership isn't a relationship between you and your property, so much as a non-relationship between others and your property, namely that their exclusion from its benefits at your discretion constructs your right in what you own.

I do not see a big difference between the property owner calling for an agent to force someone off his property and doing the deed himself.

Substantively no, procedurally yes, and liability-wise that makes a big difference if the (surviving) trespasser later complains about excessive use of force, mistaken identity, mitigating circumstances, etc. Delegating the task to a public servant, as we well know, absolves you of liability and transfers it, generally to no-one. Of course, there are other incentives the State provides for letting them do the dirty work.

[texas_libertarian]

Nick, you were fricking awesome in that O'Reilly interview. You're one of the few people I've seen who doesn't get intimidated by him let him shout you down. Also, you didn't stutter like a pussy.

[anarch]

When the cops ask you why you shot the intruder airedale terrier...

[rex]

"North Vietnam was an evil nation."?
Could you back this up?
I mean I'm no expert, but a whole nation of evil?
Really? Fascinating.

Do better.

O'Reilly is a joke journalist. Though he does favor decriminalization of pot. From what I hear.
He's still a piece of shit. Hypocrite dumb fuck.

[nick]

if is fucking ILLEGAL to trespass!

Ayers did not bomb anything!

prove it you mother fuckers!

[Bert]

I watched the O'Reilly/Sullum piece. Where exactly was the threat?

[Mr. Nice Guy]

"He should see how the media is treating Joe the Plumber."

Alas, poor media hound Joe the Plumber! Will they ever let the man be?

""North Vietnam was an evil nation."?
Could you back this up?"

They were a rights violating aggressive non-democratic entity. Of course I mean the government not every citizen.

"The fact remains that he and BHO had a long working relationship, serving on two boards together."

Loney, I don't want to make obvious your ignorance of what it means to serve on a board with someone, but it certainly doesn't demonstrate an affinity or the like.

"Like we're supposed to believe that an Ayers/Obama supporting navel-gazer even has a gun, much less the eggs to use it."

First, it's nuts to imply that an Obama supporter must be an Ayers supporter (or vice versa). Second, I bet plenty of both have guns. I'm not big fan of Obama, but I'm going to vote for him and I own two firearms. And lastly, if you threatened me or my family or neighbors you'd find out if I had the eggs to use it on you pretty quick.

[JMR]

O'Reilly's views may have changed, but he has in the past not let medical pot people get a word in edgewise -- including the late Ron Crickenburger, who has more dignity in his little finger than O'Reilly has ever had in his entire body. IMO.

and IMO anarch wins the thread.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

"When the cops ask you why you shot the intruder airedale terrier..."

That was the biggest outrage of the week. I hope Balko updates on that, and I hope he has some good news for a change (like that the cop was fired and charges are pending against him)

[Oligonicella]

"I'll let you have the last word." -- Not!

[Les]

Could someone provide a link which describes the injuries/deaths caused by the bombs Ayers planted? Wikipedia says he planted bombs at a police station, a statue, and the Pentagon, but it doesn't say if anyone was injured.

Thanks in advance.

[John]

Les,

I don't think Ayers ever actually killed anyone which is why he is not rotting in prison. Him and Dorn were morons who couldn't even build rudemtary bombs that worked. Three of their groupd did manage to blow themselves up trying to build a bomb. Ayers and Dorn are more pathetic than they are dangerous. It is a shame that they crossed paths with Obama and are being noticed because they deserve to rot in obscurity and poverty for the rest of their lives. Thanks to the liberals in Chicago the poverty part never will happen but the obscurity part sure could have.

[Mark M.]

I loved when this hateful little troll evoked his property rights to try to drive off the reporter.

This from the avowed former marxist who previously advocated extermination camps for the "25 million Americans" who were "beyond" re-education

That's just priceless.

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/276377.php

[red]

---Little boys instantly blown to pieces. What about the Little Vietnamese children, watching in horror, as their parents get blown up?

Oh, is anybody stupid enough to assert that McCain does not have this blood on his hands?--

Similarly, there is no rememberance of the millions of Viet Namese who died after the final invasion of South Viet Nam by the North Vietnamese nor the hundreds of thousands of boat people who died fleeing for their lives. John McCain protected them and then people like Bill Ayers, in cooperation with the Russians and the Chinese forced our government to abandon them.

This is further not to mention the millions who died in Cambodia...again the victims of socialist dictatorship. Those with glasses were considered intellectuals and therefore dangerous.

Our efforts in Viet Nam did give time to Singapore, Hong Kong and the other Asian tigers to develop their economies so that they could resist communist subversion. This is why John McCain suffered torture at the hands of the bloody Communists for 5 years.

Thanks for spewing your 40 year old communist propaganda and giving a chance to again restate how evil communists are and why we must fight them everytime they treaten.

[BDB]

I just love it when people re-fight the Vietnam War.

[Red]

---Loney, I don't want to make obvious your ignorance of what it means to serve on a board with someone, but it certainly doesn't demonstrate an affinity or the like.---

And your ignorance is demonstrated by not examining the actual board positions and the joint actions that Barach and Billy Boy were making - like funding African separatist schools.

As far as Ayers not killing anybody....until Sept 10 2001, Mohammed Atta had not killed anybody either.

[BDB]

Thank God this is probably the very last election cycle where we will have to re-live the 60s.

[Mark M.]

zoltan:

"What exactly can you use it for?"

Just because you can't use it for its intended purpose doesn't mean a gun doesn't have all sorts of useful applications:

Dr. Hibbert: "Homer! You use your gun as a can opener?"
Homer: "I use it for everything! Watch me turn on the TV."

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F01

[Mark M.]

Red | October 25, 2008, 3:29pm:

You mean no guys you've seen walking around the neighborhood have ever offered you $50 mil to distribute as you see fit?

Geez, I was at the DQ drive-in the other day when some kid offered me $30 mil to combat 3rd world malnutrition. I guess you just weren't blessed with an honest face like Barack and myself.

[J sub D]

Thank God this is probably the very last election cycle where we will have to re-live the 60s.

Not for me. I get LSD flashbacks. FREE TRIP!!*

*That is acid head humor while discussing the myth of LSD flashbacks. Or so I've heard.

[PapayaSF]

If the Fox News guy had been on his toes, when Ayers said "Get off my property," he'd have replied "But I thought communists didn't believe in private property!"

[PicassoIII]

PapayaSF wrote:
"he'd have replied "But I thought communists didn't believe in private property!"

That would mean Fox debating principle, rather than simple badgering.

[Hillary Clinton]

Thank God this is probably the very last election cycle where we will have to re-live the 60s.

"Ah'll Be Back!"

[BDB]

No you won't. You'll be too old in 2016. And your husband's Presidency will seem like ancient history.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

"And your ignorance is demonstrated by not examining the actual board positions and the joint actions that Barach and Billy Boy were making - like funding African separatist schools."

Oh please, fill us in on that.

[BDB]

No, don't fill us in. Nobody gives a shit except loons that want to re-fight the sixties.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2

"Politico concluded, "There's no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation."
Factcheck.org

[Fagcheck.org]

Yoo Hoo! Mithter Nith Guy!

[Elemenope]

Can someone please tell me where the "25 million people" and "extermination camp" quotes come from? I mean, I didn't hear this shit the first and second time around on Ayers, which leads me to believe that they are artificial argument sweeteners (i.e. bullshit) invented for the moment to make Ayers sound scary, because nobody was particularly scared of him the first couple of times.

A verifiable linky would be awesome.

[24AheadDotCom]

If the Fox News guy had been on his toes, when Ayers said "Get off my property," he'd have replied "But I thought communists didn't believe in private property!"

Even better, he would have done what ACORN proudly admits doing, despite also admitting that it was illegal. Reason might oppose things like that, except that the illegal part makes it OK.

And, here's a discussion of the African separatist schools Obama funded

And, here's more on the article from Schott Shane of the New York Times in which he spun the connection BHO's way. He "forgot" to mention quite a few things. Then, other MSM sources largely based their reports on him. That then became a laundry list of those who falsely stated there wasn't much of a connection.

[Hillary Clinton]

No you won't. You'll be too old in 2016

Look I so old to young eyes? When 69 years old you reach, look as good you will not, hmm?

Besides, internet message boards, there still will be. A renewable resource, the blood of virgins is.

[Hillary Clinton]

I mean, check out the post above my last one.

[PapayaSF]

Elemenope: Here's a former FBI undercover agent relating his experiences with the Weather Underground, the apparent source for the 25 million.

[Elemenope]

Thank you, PapayaSF.

So, I'm to understand that the folks quoting this are relying on the veracity of COINTELPRO?

Okaaaaaay.

It very well may be true. My only thing is that such a revelation from a guy that in all likelihood participated in illegal politically motivated surveillance of groups would be fairly self-serving, both psychologically and materially.

[J sub D]

It very well may be true. My only thing is that such a revelation from a guy that in all likelihood participated in illegal politically motivated surveillance of groups would be fairly self-serving, both psychologically and materially.

LMNOP,
Don't shoot the messenger. The Weather Underground was a marxixt organization. Marxists have been quite proficient at eliminating those troublesome folks who refuse to be "re-educated". I won't insult your intelligence by listing the most egregious cases with the number (always in the millions) of deaths.

I'm a skeptic, but I'd bet that conversation actually occured.

[Elemenope]

I'm a skeptic, but I'd bet that conversation actually occurred.

I'd give it even odds. Which, IMHO, isn't good enough to base a good faith attack around, especially as it relates to a third party that was not present (and was in fact eight years old at the time).

[clamflats]

A. Bill Ayers committed terrorist crimes in the 60's
B. Barack Obama served with Ayers on a committee in Chicago and spent time in his livingroom
C. Barack Obama "pals" with terrorists

A. Bill Ayers committed terrorist crimes in the 60's
B. Bill Ayers served on a committee funded by the Annenberg family
C. The Annenberg family has donated to John McCain's campaign
D. John McCain is financed by people who fund terrorists.

[Orange Line Special]

Team: DA passed this down just now. In addition to stating that The One was just 8 years old, if anyone brings up the later attack where three people were killed and in relation to which Dohrn was jailed for several months, mention that Obama was just nineteen years old. He was just nineteen, barely able to walk, much less speak.

[red]

--Nobody gives a shit except loons that want to re-fight the sixties.--

Actually those who give fecal material, like Ayers, want to foster racial conflict to bring about the new socialist paradise of America. It just happens to be the same goal that they espoused -- with the Black Panthers in the 60s.

Somehow its always the right that is racist, but leftists manage to accomplish this... under the radar.

The South Shore African Village Collaborative (SSAVC) was very much a part of the Afrocentric "rites of passage movement," a fringe education crusade of the 1990s. SSAVC schools featured "African-Centered" curricula built around "rites of passage" ceremonies inspired by the puberty rites found in many African societies. In and of themselves, these ceremonies were harmless. Yet the philosophy that accompanied them was not. On the contrary, it was a carbon-copy of Jeremiah Wright's worldview.

"No no no not God Bless Amerikkkkaaaa,,, G*& Damn Amerikkkaaa"

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTQ0YjhlOGVhYjQ0OWRhZjI2MmM4NTQ4NGM5Mjg0MzU=

How I respected Dr. Martin Luther King who wanted us to live together.

It wasn't white racists who took 160 million dollars which was supposed to improve the education of poor minority children in Chicago. It was radical Bill Ayers that took that money and fueled the radicalization of the city and spit on the real educational needs of our neediest children.

And as a board member......

....Reading over SSAVC's Annenberg proposals, Obama could hardly be ignorant of what they were about. And if by some chance Obama overlooked Hilliard's or Carruthers's names, SSAVC's proposals are filled with references to "rites of passage" and "Ptahhotep," dead giveaways for the anti-American and separatist ideological concoction favored by SSAVC.

We know that Obama did read the proposals. Annenberg documents show him commenting on proposal quality.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge's own evaluators acknowledged that Annenberg-aided schools showed no improvement in achievement scores. Evaluators attributed that failure, in part, to the fact that many of Annenberg's "external partners" had little educational expertise. A group that puts its efforts into Kwanzaa celebrations and half-baked history certainly fits that bill, and goes a long way toward explaining how Ayers and Obama managed to waste upwards of $150 million without improving student achievement.

Special place in hell for a man that steals from education of minority children to foster revolution.....

[Elemenope]

He was just nineteen, barely able to walk, much less speak.

There is not a man among us who wasn't a complete fucking idiot in at least one area of life at the age of nineteen.

Except you, of course. The LoneWacko is always old and wise.

[J sub D]

I'd give it even odds. Which, IMHO, isn't good enough to base a good faith attack around, especially as it relates to a third party that was not present (and was in fact eight years old at the time).

I give it higher. Think trust fund revolutionary who takes his amateur political musings far too seriously.

It matters not to me. The Obama campaign threatening regulatory repriosal on TV stations that aired an ad critical of him ended any chance he'd get my vote. The Ayers stuff has diddly-squat to do with this campaign and only idiots like LoneDipShit pay it any mind.

[stubby]

Not even in Texas do you have the right to shoot someone if they don't get off your lawn. A camera and microphone in your face would not meet the "fear for your life" test. At least, I hope not.

I don't think Ayers and his Manson-loving bitch and their cohorts ever represented a real threat to the US or that they could have realized their dream of reeducation camps and widespread elimination of enemies. But then no one at the time thought Lenin and his bunch could take down the Russian empire. The fact that people like Ayers and Dohrn - products and beneficiaries of the capitalist system they claimed to despise - would even want to do things like that scares the shit out of me. The fact that they have for forty years continued to benefit from the system they killed people to destroy really pisses me off.

I never watch O'Reilly - he's the mirror image of Olbermann, I'm trying to come up with an allusion to Let This Be Your Last Battlefield but just can't - but I'll watch just to see Ayers calling the pigs to save his pasty, weak old ass.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

OK red, I'm going to call you on this one. I happen to know a little bit about "afro-centric studies" and "black liberation theology." They've been around for a long time, and I happened to work for an African-American who was a part time doctoral student studying the latter.

Let me start by saying that the a lot of the afro-centric studies stuff is crazy bunk. It's all about how certain historical figures that are largely thought to be white were really black and about often exagerrating (but sometimes just highlighting oft ingored historical facts) accomplishments of black civilizations.

In education the idea was to take black schools and have this afro-centric focuses. the idea was that it would give the kids pride and an interest in history and immerse them in a culture more "natural" for them . Now the latter seems like immense bullshit, but the former seems pretty harmless to me. I mean, you have to admit that there exists something of a motivation problem in many black schools and this is a way of addressing it.

As for Wright, I'm only aware of his "god damn America" statement. I think you will find many patriots who feel like saying "god damn" their nation sometimes, especially when they feel like the nation is on the wrong moral track. I mean Jeremiah in the Bible did this to Israel. The idea is to effect a "prophetic voice" and "call out" the nation. I mean, let's face it, if I were black considering our history I'd be a little skeptical of the US myself.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

red
Certainly a good libertarian such as yourself would see how an individual criticizing the "tribe" they belong to because they think it is doing something in violation of natural law and such is not such a terrible thing to do...

[Elemenope]

As for Wright, I'm only aware of his "god damn America" statement. I think you will find many patriots who feel like saying "god damn" their nation sometimes, especially when they feel like the nation is on the wrong moral track. I mean Jeremiah in the Bible did this to Israel. The idea is to effect a "prophetic voice" and "call out" the nation. I mean, let's face it, if I were black considering our history I'd be a little skeptical of the US myself.

No shit. I don't understand Christians (esp. preachers) who *don't* criticize the Caesars of their societies. Most of the stuff that government does is at best neutral, and at worst profane and ungodly, from any reasonable standpoint. It's not like it isn't a target-rich environment.

When I heard Wright's speeches, I couldn't help but think of Cornel West...

[Kolohe]

SSAVC's proposals are filled with references to "rites of passage" and "Ptahhotep," dead giveaways for the anti-American and separatist ideological concoction favored by SSAVC.

These references also show they are agents of the Greys.

[Elemenope]

These references also show they are agents of the Greys.

LOL.

So far as I know, Ptahhotep was a guy who lived about four thousand years ago and wrote some stuff down (or perhaps he was dictating to another guy, who wrote it down for him).

What the fuck does he have to do with Anti-American sentiment? What am I missing?

[John C. Randolph]

Strange, you'd think that anyone O'Reilly wants to pick on would know the magic incantation to get him to fuck off by now.

"Andrea Mackris!"

-jcr

[John C. Randolph]

How I respected Dr. Martin Luther King who wanted us to live together.

Speaking of Dr. King, if you really want to irritate a lefty sometime, mention that he was a Republican, and that Wallace was a Democrat.

-jcr

[Elemenope]

Speaking of Dr. King, if you really want to irritate a lefty sometime, mention that he was a Republican, and that Wallace was a Democrat.

It only irritates lefties (and righties) who don't know jack about recent American history.

The ones who do merely say "and he wouldn't be one today". And they'd be right.

[MAX HATS]

Ayers is a despicable shitstain who deserves a hell of being poked by hot irons by the victims of Stalin's purges. Wright, however, I just don't see the fuss. Yeah, he said "god damned America." So what, he earned it. He was a marine and later a Navy Corpman who tended to LBJ himself. 99.9% of self described "patriots" in this country haven't sacrificed a fraction of what Wright has for this country. And even if he wasn't a veteran - if you were an African-American who lived through the pre-civil rights era - I think you'd have to have your head examined if you didn't have a problem with America at some level.

[anarch]

I think you will find many patriots who feel like saying "god damn" their nation sometimes, especially when they feel like the nation is on the wrong moral track. I mean Jeremiah in the Bible did this to Israel.

Haven't RTFScripture for a while, but didn't Jeremiah warn his nation against provoking, rather try to invoke upon them, divine wrath?

[Elemenope]

Haven't RTFScripture for a while, but didn't Jeremiah warn his nation against provoking, rather try to invoke upon them, divine wrath?

He did both, but only the second was at the behest of God. In fact, at one point God instructs Jeremiah to stop trying to help out the Israelites. They throw him in prison after he prophecies that God was going to use Babylon to fuck their shit up.

[SIV]

As an accused H&R Republican shill I will state I have no issue with the Reverend Wright whatsoever.That Barack Obama found it politically and socially expedient to attend a "kill whitey" Black liberation church produced nothing but a sympathetic chuckle from me. Rev. Wright is as American as apple pie, if somewhat of an anachronistic stereotype.I imagine Sunday mornings for Obama were a mixture of eye-rolling discomfort and laughter.I find his choice of church to be a humanizing quality.

I find his association with William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn quite troublesome to say the least however.

[carmela]

Ayers is so pathetic. Years after trying to "kill all the pigs," he is calling them so a man with a camera won't ask him questions.

I hate rich trustfunder daddy saved my ass every time terrorists.

[anarch]

LMNO, by the time I read through the book, this thread will have died. When I do, I'll be ready to be surprised. What I'll be looking for is not a warning, nor a prophecy, but an expressed preference: May God damn you; I want God to damn you; I wish God would damn you, which is what saying "God damn you" in the subjunctive means. May seem like nit-picking, but as the man said, who wants nits?

[anarch]

Not defending Ayers, about whom I know next-to-nothing, and he sounds like a case.

But calling the police to get an intruder off your property seems like the only useful choice for someone living under a regime that hasn't privatized law-enforcement.

[Elemenope]

A relevant passage is Jeremiah 7:27-28 --

But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

Or, an expanded passage, in the "New" Latin, which I find more clear than that old KJV crap:

25 Nd eva since uz gt outed of Eel-Jipt, iz givs u lodz of Kittehz!26 Bt dey stil jus nappd on teh windowsills.27 Srsly.28 Bt u shud stil remaindz dem dat dis is Ceiling Cat's crib nd he can mek u ded.29 Iz gona cuts offa all ur hairz nd put dem on tops of rly hi lampz.30 Nd i gna do dis cos all u n00bz in Joodeh messd up meh haus wif all ur moocows.31 Nd dey bild lodz of hauses in teh toffee mountainz, in teh valley of teh sonz of Hasselhoff nd it iz here dat dey burninate all teh gurlz nd bois.32 Ceiling Cat gna pwn all der bases in toffee mountain.33 Den all der pigins can nom nom nom on teh ded hoomans.34 Pwned! Srsly. Kthxbai.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

"As an accused H&R Republican shill I will state I have no issue with the Reverend Wright whatsoever.That Barack Obama found it politically and socially expedient to attend a "kill whitey" Black liberation church produced nothing but a sympathetic chuckle from me."

Oh SIV, you poor, sad, un-educated (about this subject) person! In your purported attempt to state you "have no issue with the Reverend Wright whatsoever" you in the NEXT SENTENCE (shill)remark on "That Barack Obama found it politically and socially expedient to attend a "kill whitey" Black liberation church."

Barak was expedient. Wright is a "kill whitey" black liberation minister. OK.

I'm betting you don't know wtf about what black liberation theology is about? Be honest or I will embarrass you, b/c I've read quite a bit about this thru historical accident.

[nonPaulogist]

You had to bring up the strippers, didn't you Fonzie? I don't believe you were ever supporting Paul sincerely as the next week's calumny by your TNT buddy showed (with your full support and participation).

[Asharak]

red
Certainly a good libertarian such as yourself would see how an individual criticizing the "tribe" they belong to because they think it is doing something in violation of natural law and such is not such a terrible thing to do...

I don't know if red is a libertarian or not, but he's obviously a troll who's moronic enough to believe that Reason is pro-communist.

SIV and MAX HATS: you're both absolutely right.

OLS: you're the best unintentional mouthpiece for NCLR. Keep the good work, you UsefulIdiot, you.

[anarch]

LM and Krazy Kat, I looked and saw admonishment, warning, prediction, and Jeremiah describing damnation for his people but nowhere prescribing it. Maybe it was his accent.

[cunnivore]

For the resident left-liberals, may I point out that America is not just the US government?

I have my share of bones to pick with the federal govt, but I don't hesitate to sing "God Bless America" anyhow. Does that make me a hypocrite?

[Heinrick]

"Cameras everywhere and they've started up roadblock safety checkpoints. Not just in the ghettos but in up and comming areas like Humbolt Park."

Is that OK as long as it is in a getto?

[Elemenope]

anarch --

Well, if we want to get all nitpicky, neither did Wright. He described what the biblical judgment for USA's actions would be, not explicitly saying he preferred or intended to induce such judgments.

Chopping out all the African Preacher fooferah, he said that the USA is a government, governments are not Gods, and when they attempt to be Gods they fail and sin, and are inevitably (from the Biblical account) damned and punished accordingly.

But the passage I outlined (esp. the first one) was God instructing Jeremiah to deliver the message to Israel that Israel was damned by God for being utter tools. Jeremiah considered himself only the mouthpiece of the prophetic voice.

Interestingly enough, the reason I brought up Cornel West earlier was because he pointed out that the African-American preaching trope identifies itself strongly with the prophetic voice, and sees its mission as similar to Jeremiah's (i.e. deliver the message that all is not well and God is not pleased, because of XYZ conditions and actions).

I think read through that tradition, Jeremiah and Wright are essentially saying the same things for pretty much the same reasons.

[Elemenope]

I have my share of bones to pick with the federal govt, but I don't hesitate to sing "God Bless America" anyhow. Does that make me a hypocrite?

It doesn't make you a hypocrite, but since you bring it up I am driven to ask:

When you say or sing "God Bless America" do you keep in mind that seeking the blessing of God (esp. the YHWH one) has historically not exactly been the best health-plan for nations?

[SIV]

MNG,

By BLT I was referring to UNIA, Garvey and the nationalist movement among black churches in the North after the great migration. If you are referring to more recent BLT stuff you probably do know more than I do. I am quite familiar with
Black Muslims, Black Hebrews, Syncretic Christianity (Hoodoo and Voodoo) and persistence of African culture in Black religon in the New World both in and outside the United States including some more outre faiths.I find the stuff to be fascinating.

[HibiscusMonkey]

Didn't Reason conduct an interview with Ayers not too long ago?

[PicassoIII]

BDB wrote:
Thank God this is probably the very last election cycle where we will have to re-live the 60s

I do 'hope for change' there.
If i can has audacity....

SIV wrote:
As an accused H&R Republican shill I will state I have no issue with the Reverend Wright whatsoever.

Thank you.
I notice no mention of middle Hussein (as common as Patel in another culture) and leaving birthplace out of it.
His association with Ayers etc., is really a non issue too. He's just another 'bourgeois pig' academic at UIC these days. Obama probably spent some time with free marketeers from UofC as well. Hardly annointed by the 'chicago machine' for his senate seat (i think that was Dan Hynes).
All that being said, he is a 'socialist' of a sort.
Not like Venezuela, more like Sweden. I've heard the term euro-socialism more than once from somewhat objective older conservatives.
It's been hard to argue against them.
Unfortunately McCain is a 'fascist' of a sort. He wasn't as bad back in 2000 when i could have voted for him.
Not now.
Not after what happened in St Paul.

[SIV]

For the resident left-liberals, may I point out that America is not just the US government?

You can say that again. They always throw me for a loop when they mix Society, the State and Culture as some interchangeable synonyms.
I hate fucking collectivists with a passion.

[anarch]

LM @ 9:44, if that's what Wright said, then yes.

I just recall some controversy - was it the Giuliani elephant-dung/Virgin Mary art? - in which an NYC tabloid headline screamed something like Cardinal to Artist: God Damn You! - when in fact the Cardinal, or whatever churchman it was, had said what you say Wright said, namely that God will damn you if ya don't quit yer lo-down ways. The one expresses hatred, the other care and concern, which seems a distinction with a difference. Thanks for your persistence.

[PicassoIII]

Heinrick wrote:
Is that OK as long as it is in a getto?

Uh no...
They are an abomination anywhere.
Just giving some geographical context. More so now that Chicago no longer has the nationally known housing projects as reference points.

I can sing verse and chorus about how racially motivated the WOD is, but i'm sure you've heard it.

[SIV]

Not after what happened in St Paul.

WTF?

[stubby]

I hate rich trustfunder daddy saved my ass every time terrorists.

I'm stealing that line and using it often.

[bob]

Doesn't anyone wonder how this terrorist managed to escape conviction and imprisonment for his admitted activities?

Ayers is a superficial issue the republicans pump up to get their brainwashed base off of their couches and out to the polls. I can't blame them much. It's their best bet, and they're just playing their part in the charade that is our political system industry as best they can.

The "Obama is/or associates with terrorists
meme plays quite well with the "his middle name is Housein" crowd. Thanks to dumbed down republican religious nutjobs -- 16% percent of voters think Obama is a Muslim.

Don't mistake me for an Obama supporter. He won't get my vote, and neither will the candidate from the other half of the two party duopoly.

It's a rigged game, folks. Heads they win, tails we lose.

Happy Voting!™

[cunnivore]

Elemenope, your question makes no sense. But to follow up, if saying "God Bless America" doesn't require one to like the federal govt, wouldn't you agree that saying "God Damn America" expresses antipathy for the whole nation, not just the govt?

[Dave2]

Elemenope, your question makes no sense. But to follow up, if saying "God Bless America" doesn't require one to like the federal govt, wouldn't you agree that saying "God Damn America" expresses antipathy for the whole nation, not just the govt?

cunnivore, "America" (like any name for a nation-state) is neither guaranteed to refer to the people nor guaranteed to refer to the government. So just as "God Bless America" needn't express praise of the government, likewise "God Damn America" needn't express condemnation of the people.

[anarch]

Could he just have been having a bad day? Shoelace broke, bed-hair that wouldn't quit... everyone's frustrated sometimes.

Maybe the same with the other Jeremiah, even.

[Fluffy]

I think that haggling over the difference in voice between Jeremiah and the Reverend Wright might not really be that illuminating.

After all, the rhetorical rhythm of opposing "God Bless America" [the cliche] with "God Damn America" [the jeremiad] is pretty impossible to resist, if that's your theme. "I don't say God Bless America, I say God Damn America!" just flows a lot better than, "I don't say God Bless America, I say God may at some point choose to damn America if Americans don't alter their behavior!"

[Fluffy]

Also, I suppose I should point out that if God's judgment on Israel was just, then Jeremiah could not possibly have been wrong if he wished it to be. In the subjunctive and everything. Wishing for his prophecy's fulfillment would have been proven justified by that fulfillment.

[Elemenope]

Elemenope, your question makes no sense.

Sure it does. Break it down:

1. Some nations pursue or claim to possess a special relationship with God (e.g. Papal States, Israel, Ottoman Empire)
2. Many of those nations have been obliterated, some *more than once*

Ergo, it is a legitimate question to ask whether it is *wise* for a nation to seek such a relationship with God.

Don't you think?

[Elemenope]

I think that haggling over the difference in voice between Jeremiah and the Reverend Wright might not really be that illuminating.

After all, the rhetorical rhythm of opposing "God Bless America" [the cliche] with "God Damn America" [the jeremiad] is pretty impossible to resist, if that's your theme. "I don't say God Bless America, I say God Damn America!" just flows a lot better than, "I don't say God Bless America, I say God may at some point choose to damn America if Americans don't alter their behavior!"

That's one of the best summations of the point I've read.

[John C. Randolph]

Ayers is a despicable shitstain who deserves a hell of being poked by hot irons by the victims of Stalin's purges

Why would you inflict his presence on the victims of Stalin's purges?

-jcr

[Erik S]

The point about the Reverend Wright was never the "God Damn America" epithet itself. It was, first, that, given the evidence, this could only be illustrative of the personal pastor's message throughout the years (including the 20 (!) years the Obama family sat in his pews) and, even more importantly, that he is illustrative of the type of people that Obama has associated with before, associates with now, and will associate with in the future, especially if he wins the White House.

?it does little good to focus on Jeremiah Wright for weeks or months (only to have Obama repudiate the Reverend), then, months later, on Billy Ayers (only to have Obama belittle the relationship and perhaps repudiate the former (?) Weatherman by the time of the election), then (if time allows) on someone else. From the beginning, the constant drumbeat should have been - and it must be from now on - on all the significant others, all the associates, and all the foreign "fans" (not to mention the spouse) whose just-as-constant refrain through the years (and through the decades) has been "God damn America" - or words to that effect ("America be damned", "a goddamn awful place to live", "Allah damn America", etc, etc).

http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/10/winning-strategy-not-attacking.html

[red]

Intellectualize all you want about the "Prophetic Tradition", but "Reverand" Jeremiah Wright is a hater - as bad as any KKK boogie man that he invokes.

Wright sez:::::

We believe God sanctioned the rape and robbery of an entire continent. We believe God ordained African slavery. We believe God makes Europeans superior to Africans, and superior to everybody else,

(Who believes these wacky statements in 2008?)

The government lied about Pearl Harbor. They knew the Japanese were going to attack.

-- Historically inaccurate --

The government lied about Nelson Mandela, and our CIA helped put him in prison, and keep him there for 27 years.

--The South African government needed the CIA for this?

The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposefully infected African-American men with syphilis.

---This is historically not true. The government did not infect the men with the disease, the government (under a Democratic president) did not treat them properly. A travesty of science, but the poor victim's diseases were not introduced by the government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

The government lied about adventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.

--This is the fingerprint. This awful lie began with Soviet disinformation campaigns of the 80's. Wright is not espousing Christianity, he is broadcasting the evil seed of an ideology that hates the success of America and freedom seeks its destruction. What better way than to set blacks against whites. Poison. The KGB would be very pleased.

And Barach was his spritual protege for 20 years. Wright baptized Barach's kids. You guilty white liberals, think, Barach's daughters think that you infected people of their race with AIDS.

It is in this context black separatist schools which could be a source of pride and self-confidence need to be viewed.

Read this again ----

Carruthers's key writings are collected in his book, Intellectual Warfare. Reading it is a wild, anti-American ride. In his book, we learn that Carruthers and his like-minded colleagues have formed an organization called the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations (ASCAC), which takes as its mission the need to "dismantle the European intellectual campaign to commit historicide against African peoples." Carruthers includes "African-Americans" within a group he would define as simply "African." When forced to describe a black person as "American," Carruthers uses quotation marks, thus indicating that no black person can be American in any authentic sense. According to Carruthers, "The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy."

Carruthers's goal is to use African-centered education to recreate a separatist universe within America, a kind of state-within-a-state. The rites of passage movement is central to the plan. Carruthers sees enemies on every part of the political spectrum, from conservatives, to liberals, to academic leftists, all of whom reject advocates of Kemetic civilization, like himself, as dangerous and academically irresponsible extremists.

This is the poison that Bill Ayers has been pushing in Chicago (resulting in an extremely high crime rate??) and wants to administer to the American system.

This isn't the America I live in. I served in the military for 10 years and lived and worked with any minority you can name. There was honor in our camraderie and mutual respect. Real Americans are becoming more and more integrated. Only the haters and the ideologues try to divide us.

[Mike Laursen]

Isn't this old, pre-racist-newsletter- revelations news about Ron Paul? Why play it now? To embarrass Nick Gillespie? But Gillespie posted it. Geez, this latest curv ball reality has thrown your ideology has really rattled the grey matter, hasn't it?

Well, yeah, a lot of libertarians were disappointed and embarrassed by revelations of Paul's racism. Now, what exactly do you think is our ideology?

[b]

O'Reilly misses the point somewhat. Obama didn't just "make a mistake" hanging out with Ayers. He is Ayers' protegee. Ayers helped launch, and continued to nurture, his career. They both participated in funneling millions of dollars to leftist organizations seeking to indoctrinate young Americans with hateful, Marxist garbage.

It's the thinking that Ayers represents, and how that sheds light on Obama's thinking and ideology, that is the damning aspect of it all.

[anarch]

I hear ya, Fluffy and LM. Even if, like Confucius, I still prefer my sermons unambiguous, no MSG:

"If language is not used correctly, then what is said is not what is meant; if what is said is not what is meant, then what must be done remains undone; if this remains undone, morals and art will deteriorate; if justice goes astray, the people will stand about in helpless confusion. Hence there must be no arbitrariness in what is said. This matters above everything."

"A noble man in his speech leaves nothing to chance."

I sometimes need to be reminded not to seek gold in a coalmine.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

"wouldn't you agree that saying "God Damn America" expresses antipathy for the whole nation, not just the govt?"

Of course not, seeing as to how Wright and his followers are part of that whole nation. It's gotta be the "powers that be"

"He is Ayers' protegee. Ayers helped launch, and continued to nurture, his career."

Where do you people get this shit? Every major news organization that has looked into this finds the Ayers-Obama connection to be tangential. But regardless of that, ask yourself, how in the world would Ayers have the influence to "launch" Obama? A black guy with a Harvard Law degree just doesn't need a whole lot of "launching" to win a state senate office.

"They both participated in funneling millions of dollars to leftist organizations seeking to indoctrinate young Americans with hateful, Marxist garbage."

Is this the Afro-centric grant? Because if so you really should read the post of mine about this upthread. I don't think you know much about the Afro-centric movement. Sure a lot of it is pure bunk and it is often laced with the usual silly components of black nationalism, but the idea behind it in black schools is that it will instill self-pride and motivation. It's akin to the movement to have single sex schools for girls (which also is often laced with loopy feminist ideology).

[Bill Cooke]

But being a property-owner gives you the right to be a murderer? Wow.

Hardly a murderer. If a stranger were to show up on my property uninvited and started to harass me and then refused to leave after I ask him to I would fear for my personal safety. I would give him an opportunity to leave after showing him my gun. But if he didn't take off running then I would defend myself and my property.

[Elemenope]

If a stranger were to show up on my property uninvited and started to harass me and then refused to leave after I ask him to I would fear for my personal safety. I would give him an opportunity to leave after showing him my gun. But if he didn't take off running then I would defend myself and my property.

So...

That was the longest 'yes' answer to a yes/no question I've seen in a while.

[nonPaulogist]

Reason readership tanked after the newsletter smear. Nick is posting this clip in a futile attempt to recapture the Ron Paul supporters that he lost when it was revealed how koched-up the coverage was. Nick had to choose between his billionaire corparte masters and the people and he chose the former. Now he has to live with his decision.

[nonPaulogist]

corporate masters.
Check google trends to see how reason.com's hits are circling the drain. Lewrockwell.com, OTOH, is growing nicely.

[Elemenope]

Check google trends to see how reason.com's hits are circling the drain. Lewrockwell.com, OTOH, is growing nicely.

I just checked Google Trends.

You, sir, are full of shit.

[The Angry Optimist]

nonPaulogist - I just checked Alexa and "ditto" what Elemenope said: you're full of shit.

[BDB]

ROFL OLS's site isn't even ranked.

[PicassoIII]

Mike Laursen | October 26, 2008, 1:44am |
Well, yeah, a lot of libertarians were disappointed and embarrassed by revelations of Paul's racism. Now, what exactly do you think is our ideology?

Ugh! Guilt by association is all it is. I in no way feel these were HIS thoughts, but he DID drop the ball by allowing them to be published.
Now protecting who did write it is a double-edged sword. Showing loyalty to an individual takes some character, but it then seems he's not denouncing the views strong enough.
Damned if he does, damned.....etc.
But this has been aired out TWICE before this election cycle hasn't it...
If Ron Paul's voting record as a rep can't be described as libertarian whose can?!?
Out of any congress critter or white house resident for the past 20yrs, who pegs the Nolan chart north?!?
This urban cosmotarian cuts him lots of slack about something that happened decades ago.

[PicassoIII]

SIV | October 25, 2008, 10:11pm | #
Not after what happened in St Paul.
WTF?

Picking Palin, sending Paul off into the wilderness, where was Flake (or similar) ... take your pick. Instead we got 9/11 Guili and Lieberman?
Pre-emptive police raids, para-military tactics, journalists gassed, arrested and charged with MN's version of the Patriot act. Are you kidding me?
That's what we should be embarrassed and disturbed by.
If the 'Strait Talk Express' even pulled into St Paul, it's wheels got stolen by Rove and Cheney holed the block.
McCain/Palin are ridin' the 'Neo-con Limo' now.
If corporate welfare doesn't fix the economy maybe attacking Iran will.
UGH!!

Is it time to drink yet ... i'm obviously (sorta) new here but i need one...

[nonPaulogist]

I'm full of shit? How do you explain Reason consistently ranking lower that LewRockwell.com?

No billionaires bankroll the paleos, but even Mises.org outperforms Cato. Explain that.

How could a beltway mag with access to everybody do so shitty?

[Elemenope]

Is it time to drink yet ... i'm obviously (sorta) new here but i need one...

For a magazine like Reason, there sure are a lot of liberal mainstream types hanging around, who I'm pretty sure don't meet the definition of "Libertarian" and should hand in their decoder rings. Someone oughta shoot them in the kneecaps. And just cause I'm saying you should shoot someone, that's not an endorsement of the government regulatory agency responsible for making sure the ammo is of consistent quality.

Well, it's not like libertarians matter in the big picture anyway; when's the last time someone's listened to one? What are they, like .1% of the registered voters? Let Reason just go on and shill for Team Blue; I've already canceled my subscription.

--------

That should do you for beer time.

[Elemenope]

You said nothing about their relative hit-count. What you said, in fact, was:

Check google trends to see how reason.com's hits are circling the drain. Lewrockwell.com, OTOH, is growing nicely.

That is, roughly, in English-speaking world, reason.com is "circling the drain" (i.e. Hits are TRENDING DOWNWARDS), whereas lewrockwell.com is "growing nicely" (i.e. Hits are TRENDING UPWARDS).

Whereas both Google Trends and Alexa confirm that both sites have a relatively stable number of unique page visits over time, with no sustained trends in *either direction*.

Ergo, you are full of shit.

[PicassoIII]

Thanks lmnop, chillin the martini glass as we speak. No cosmo btw, dirty vodka with blue cheese/bacon stuffed olives. But i'm feeling a little lazy for stuffing the olives so there may be a punt called on that.
It is the weekend so i may break out the Sapphire though.

Well played.
http://reason.wikia.com/wiki/Drinking_game
But seriously, i WAS thirsty.

*gulp*
a pox on both their houses
*GULP*

[long-time, impatient reader]

Get the hook.

[Mack]

I love how the communist resorts to saying "This is my property." I thought there shouldn't be private property? That reporter, and me, and whoever else is on this website, has a communal share in his property! Ergo, that man from Faux News should have been able to just waltz into Ayers' house and ask as many questions as he pleased!

Oh you poor, poor Marxists. Is this what you're reduced to?

[Mike Laursen]

Nick is posting this clip in a futile attempt to recapture the Ron Paul supporters that he lost when it was revealed how koched-up the coverage was.

Alternate theory: Nick's post was about Bill O'Reilly. Nick thinks to himself, "Why don't I include that clip of myself on Bill O'Reilly's show. Hit & Run readers might find it funny."

[zoltan]

PicassoIII, don't forget Huckabee and the chair speech. That was awful--is this guy governor of Arkansas because the majority of voters there are too stupid to realize the guy is a moron? Rhetorical question.

[Wilkes&Freedom]

Great piece Reason

O'Reilly is a fucker. No wonder the right world is beholden to him. One minute it's Ayers, next minute it's Ron Paul. Equal in his slant to fucking up America.

O'Reilly is a fucker. Now you all know why Libertarianism goes no place.

[Wilkes&Freedom]

To Red,
This is probably pointless in the sense that you won't understand: there is no such thing as a race. There are only populations. And despite of the fact that I personally will not vote Mr. Obama as our next president, I must point out that he represents that populations from Kenya and Kansas can produce viable and in this case intelligent offspring.

[Wilkes&Freedom]

As a further point, to all who are less than enamored of Mr. Obama. Do you really think that if he tries some crazy shit, we as Americans wouldn't impeach him?

Would we all stand by and say Secret Muslim won the presidency fair and square and so we owe him our unsworn allegiance? I doubt it!

I'm voting my conscience (3rd Party), but I'm hardly more fearful of Obama vis-a-vis McCain.

Maybe if I had an electron microscope and I could analyze the shit they both have to offer, I could make a tenuous decision. But I don't. So I will vote NOT in their column.

GOD DAMN MC CAIN & OBAMA!

[Wilkes&Freedom]

Mark M.

It is priceless. But it should alleviate everyone that Ayers has now crossed to the property rights side.

And it is on film. FUCK the past. He's one of us NOW.

God bless Ayers for seeing the light,

Wilkie

[Wilkes&Freedom]

Reanylizing Ayers in view of his beliefs is cute. If he himself doesn't feel his actions were way less than cute. As far as the law, that's his trip. Fair enough. his associations should be scrutinized.

My major problem is that presidential scrutinization incurs analysis of voting record.

I have declared to my colleagues that anyone congressperson who voted for the bailout will NOT have my vote in 2008. This includes: McCain, Obama, John Cornyn, Shirley Jackson Lee. A Pox on their house. God Damn them!

[R C Dean]

I would get my gun and shoot that fucker for being on my property after I asked him to leave.

Not in Chicago you wouldn't.

Well, not unless your last name was Daley, or you were on the City Council.

[economist]

I honestly think I hate Bill O'Reilly more than Bill Ayers.

[SGT Ted]

I don't need Ron paul to tell me that the Republicans spend too much. Excusing RPs past racist associations is akin to excusing Obamas readical left America haters associations.

Obama himself tells how he actively sought out black racist radical extremists and Marxists in College to nail down his world view.