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Get-a-camera-and-talk-to-freaks can be the lowest form of journalism. Do the people who show up at McCain rallies hate Obama more than your average schlub? Of course. Will they say silly things if you ask the right questions? Sure.

Still, this video by an Ohio liberal blogger is bloodcurdling.

Via Jonathan Martin, who says "it's difficult to imagine even the most hard-core conservatives saying that Al Gore or John Kerry were terrorists." This is a huge problem with the McCain campaign's negative turn. No swing voter took offense if a Bush surrogate called Kerry a limp-wristed, French-looking fraud. But I think they wince when they hear someone accusing Obama of terrorist "bloodlines." The guy still has a net 18-point favorable rating. People simply don't look at him and think "radical." The velocity with which the McCain campaign has become a political arm of Sean Hannity's America makes it look ugly and desperate, rather than strong, as Bush I looked when he mocked Dukakis or Bush II looked when he mocked Kerry.

UPDATE: Oh, God.

This is the blowback when McCain/Palin go hard negative. They rev up the base, but what on-the-fence voter wants to associate with people like this? It reminds me of the collapse of the illegal immigration issue. Yes, a majority of people told pollsters they wanted "secure borders," but once they started associating those opinions with beer-bellied Minutemen snooping around the AZ-Mexico border, or mouthbreathing radio hosts like Michael Savage…

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  1. If McCain and Palin don’t reign in their rallies and tone down the rhetoric the only people left voting for them on election day will be cranks, conspiracy theorists, racists, Freepers, and Lou Dobbs.

  2. His career was launched by a terrorist. Close enough. Also, he doesn’t look like the other presidents on our money. And he has a funny name.

  3. I can’t WTFV. Can someone please tell me what craziness is going on in it?

  4. It is hard to imagine that the rhetoric has gotten so heated. As bad as Bush was, no mainstream liberals have ever resorted to hyberbole by suggesting that he was a terrorist, or Hitler, or that he intercepted the mail from their kids in summer camp.

  5. Abdul–

    Did anyone every shout at an official Gore or Kerry rally “OFF WITH HIS HEAD”!,
    “TREASON!”, or “KILL HIM!”?

  6. His career was launched by a terrorist.

    That reminds me – I almost think McCain would be better off letting Ayers percolate in e-mails than keep explaining who he is. The more you know, the less threatening it sounds.

    “Obama served on a board with a TERRORIST!”

    “Oh my God! A member of al Qaeda?”

    “Uh… no. A white trust fund kid who protested the Vietnam War.”

  7. I’m surprised that McCain didn’t choose the blond-haired woman than kept popping up in the video to be his VP.

    “Don’t answer his questions unless they are in writing”

    What the hell is the significance of them being in writing?

  8. I don’t think the fascist hysterial element of these tapes really needs much elaboration.

    I think this is a good point: No swing voter took offense if a Bush surrogate called Kerry a limp-wristed, French-looking fraud. But I think they wince when they hear someone accusing Obama of terrorist “bloodlines.” The guy still has a net 18-point favorable rating. People simply don’t look at him and think “radical.” There are a lot of people, even McCain voters, who like or at least respect Barack Obama. There are a lot of them who actually considered voting for Obama, but ultimately came down on the side of McCain. This is especially true of people who are now McCain leaners.

    Those people don’t want to hear this crap. It’s an insult to them, not just to Obama.

  9. Wow, this is a surprise–there are a lot of angry, scared, ignorant white people who hate Barack Obama.

    HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN IN AMERICA?!?!?

  10. If this video gets widespread distribution, people will make a point of voting Obama just to feel like they’re sticking it to the troglodytes saying those things.

    But Dana Milbank totally made up that “Sit down, boy!” story, because that would never really happen at a Palin rally.

  11. I don’t even care anymore, hardcore Dems and Repubs are loud, angry, and delusional.

    Maybe in 4 years there will be a change, but I doubt it. Either way, we are fucked.

  12. Joe–

    That is if McCain doesn’t come out and make a statement about this stuff (Palin, too).

  13. These folks are just cranks, no more, no less. McCain is no more responsible for them than Obama is for Sarah Bernhard and her comments. Are you really insulted by this sort of thing? My reaction is a cross between amusement and pity.

    The more wacky and eccentric the comment, the less believed it is. I give the voters who see this sort of stuff a lot more credit for knowing it is silliness than you do, apparently.

  14. Jesus H, just endorse Obama already and get it over with.

  15. Remember all of those Freeper posts and H&R threat comments about Barack Obama speeches being like Nazi rallies because there were, like, lotsa people there?

  16. BDB,

    All I’m saying is that there is irrational anger on both the left and the right. Apparently, sarah palin’s very existence drives them to ruin their own lives!

    The left tolerated photoshops of McCain as a cannibaltolerated photoshops of McCain as a cannibal, and now they complain?

    As Weigel said, you can take a camcorder to any rally in this country and get people to say stupid, angry stuff. To blame it all on the candidates is to take away any sense of personal responsibility or accountability.

  17. Will I ever get the IQ points back that just fell away with those clips?

    BDB, LMAO, Palin is leading the charges here. Cindy McCain has accused the Obama campaign of being the dirtiest in history. McCain just hopes to Hannity it all works.

  18. Brotherben, he’s going to lose like Goldwater or possibly even McGovern if Palin keeps it up.

    Do you really think they’ll keep doing it next week if they’re sinking in the polls?

    It’s at the point where Georgia is closer to being a swing state than Pennsylvania already.

  19. Are you saying that the Dems finally nominated someone so left wing that no one believes it?

    Obama’s past is so inflamatory that it makes McCain look bad for saying such outrageous things?

    That’s actually a brilliant strategy.

  20. Will I ever get the IQ points back that just fell away with those clips?

    No. They are now the legal property of GoogleTube. They are currently being used to index videos of drunk teenagers drawing on each other with permanent markers and cell-phone footage of a bum taking a shit in Washington Square Park.

  21. I swear I can hear banjo music in the background of the second video

  22. The worst things Abdul to link to don’t begin to add up to that one woman talking about Obama’s bloodlines.

    Ohnoes, a photoshop! And people don’t like Sarah Palin!

  23. Well, thanks, assholes, for describing the videos, but I guess I can gather enough from your comments to grok what’s going on.

    I’d like to hear some judgments, though: what’s creepier, the children singing for the Obamessiah, or these kooks?

  24. The more you know, the less threatening it sounds.

    Pretty much the same story as Brack’s BLT church. The clips were somewhat alarming at first, but then you realize that kind of rambling epileptic stupidity is just par for the course in the environment Barack choose to launch himself from. Sometimes you have to wade through the muck before you can rise above it.

  25. When that redneck woman said she wanted Hillary Clinton as president, I was baffled at first; how can someone have such far-right views and still vote for Hillary? I guess I watch too much cable news, listen to too much talk radio, and go to too many blogs.

  26. I don’t think we have to worry about the children signing about Obama turning into Timothy McVeigh.

  27. If the Obama types can spread these videos wide enough, (as, I note, Reason is helping them to do) McCain is toast. This time next year he’ll be growing a beard and going on about global warming. Gad, what free publicity.

    We’re screwed either way, president-wise. But…

    Oh, brave new world that has such – appalling – people in it.

  28. Abdul,

    I think you would have a better point if McCain/Palin wasn’t deliberately inciting. In that case, it would just be a case of wingnutitis. Every party has its crazies, after all.

    But McCain/Palin is *inviting the crazies to come out and play*. So, they bear some responsibility for intentionally exploiting the baser nature of some of the pre-existing silliness towards their opponents.

    This is on a different level than calling McCain a cannibal (or a Cylon, for that matter), because those are fundamentally unbelievable claims, even to a person who knows next to nothing about McCain.

  29. Epi, sorry.

    First vid shows folks at a rally. camera guy asks if Obama is a terrorist. answers include, “well, he’s got the bloodlines.” one woman claims she knows Palin better than Obama because Palin has done more interviews.

    Second vid is of some ole uber redneck drunk chick sayin stuff like, “We’re fightin Ay-rabs in Iraq and Iran, why would we want an Ay-rab for president?”

  30. When that redneck woman said she wanted Hillary Clinton as president, I was baffled at first; how can someone have such far-right views and still vote for Hillary? I guess I watch too much cable news, listen to too much talk radio, and go to too many blogs.

    Hateful ignorance is certainly not the exclusive property of the right. They are just usually better at exploiting it come election time.

  31. Episiarch,

    “Do you think he’s a terrorist?”

    “Yes.”

    “Do you think he’s a terrorist?”

    “Well, he’s got the bloodlines.”

    “Do you think he’s a terrorist?”

    “Well, look at his name. Obama. Obama. Hussein. Obama.”

  32. I’ll note that this is all taking place in a northern state (Ohio).

  33. LOL. Like I said months ago when this is all over McCain will be doing the spokesman thing (think Bob Dole and Viagra) for Depends.

  34. jayjayhawker,
    actually, in a follow up story, it was revealed that the banjo player was banished from town for excessive culture.

  35. I think there’s cause for concern at this behavior and the tacit acceptance of it by McCain and Palin. When someone yelled that Democrats were terrorists at a Giuliani rally. He stopped and told people to chill out and that while the party’s ideas are different, at the end of the day we’re all Americans. McCain and Palin are only feeding into the angry craziness.

    Apparently, it’s also serious enough that the Secret Service is checking it out.

  36. OK, thanks, brotherben and joe. Man, I wish I could watch. Kooks sure are entertaining, aren’t they?

  37. I have a new respect for Giuliani now.

  38. I’ll note that this is all taking place in a northern state (Ohio).

    Not surprising. No offense to Ruthless/Gallaher, but southern Ohio is more southern than the South. Didn’t the KKK originate in Chillicothe?

  39. I’ll note that this is all taking place in a northern state (Ohio).

    Hateful ignorance is no respecter of latitude.

  40. “Obama served on a board with a TERRORIST!”

    Good point (not being sarcastic). The problem with this line of attack is that it’s very easy to say that this board and foundation included a bunch of people, including members of Nixon’s administration, bank CEOs, and an Ambassador under Bush 41. Real radicals.

  41. That, and McCain looks like a pussy for not bringing it up in the debates.

    Bush Sr. had the stones to call Bill Clinton a Communist sympathizer to his face at least.

  42. There are freaks on both sides. Anyone who denies it is just a liar and a hack. I’ve heard a lot of bloodcurdling things from the Obama worshipers too.

  43. OK, thanks, brotherben and joe. Man, I wish I could watch. Kooks sure are entertaining, aren’t they?

    They really didn’t seem that kooky to me, which actually makes it a little scarier. If they were raving lunatics, you could write them off, but most of the people just seemed like run of the mill suburbanites.

    The second video is a whole ‘nother ball of wax. It’s Appalachian folks who sound like they have maybe a sixth grade education. I’ve never visited that part of the country, but they’re the stereotypical hillbillies. I don’t have a problem with them, because I get the feeling they shouldn’t necessarily know better.

  44. When you choose your running mate based on who will “rally the base” you can’t be surprised when that base says crazy things on camera. That said, this looks like some liberal blogger went to a Palin rally looking for a fight, then says gotcha when he didn’t get reasoned political discourse in return.

  45. I’ll note that this is all taking place in a northern state (Ohio).

    The Appalacian part of Ohio (the SE) was one of the last Klan strongholds in the country.

    It’s also where John Kerry sent John Edwards to do retain campaigning. “Gosh, ya’ll talk kinda lahk me!”

  46. Joe,

    It seems you’re suggesting that the “bloodlines” person is worse then anything on the left because the comment(like Epi, I can’t wtfv either) is racist.

    I’ll grant that it’s a racist attack. Of course Obama nutters can’t match the racism of McCain nutters because black-on-white racism just doesn’t have the same sting as white-on-black racism. But the I-hope-palin-is-gang-raped stuff is just as ugly.

    There’s lots of other examples of ugliness too. The bush=hitler crowd, the 9-11 truthers, etc. You really aren’t suggesting that the worst ugliness belongs to one party, are you?

  47. They remind me of the crazies at Barack Obama’s church.

  48. Someone please find a video of an O-bot shouting KILL HIM! referring to McCain at an official Obama/Biden rally, or shouting OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

    Thanks.

  49. I’ve heard a lot of bloodcurdling things from the Obama worshipers too.

    I won’t deny that there are plenty of nutjobs on both sides, but I haven’t yet heard an Obama supporter yell “Kill him” in a public forum. On McCain, the worst I’ve heard are the people who call him a traitor, and that’s from other POWs.

  50. There are crazies all over, Abdul.

    That’s why decent candidates don’t cross certain lines. That’s the point.

  51. Magnificent headline, David.

    Didn’t the KKK originate in Chillicothe?

    No. Why would you believe something so stupid?

  52. They remind me of the crazies at Barack Obama’s church.

    He went to the church where they bring people up to protect them from witchcraft, and where they try to “cure” gay people, right?

  53. That said, this looks like some liberal blogger went to a Palin rally looking for a fight, then says gotcha when he didn’t get reasoned political discourse in return.

    Unless that first video was wackily edited and re-dubbed, you can’t write this one off on “trolling libr’l bloggers”. He was asking simple factual questions, and these scarily normal-looking suburbanites took the bait.

    “Is Obama a Terrorist?”

    How fucked up in the head do you have to be to call a sitting US Senator, with no history of violence nor *real* associations with any terrorist organizations nor any sympathy with any terrorist philosophy, a terrorist?

  54. BDB,

    I think one of the interesting points you’re implicitly raising is that the ugly animus from the Obama side is rarely directed at McCain personally. For whatever reason, the equivalent stuff from the left is directed at Palin.

  55. The KKK originated in Tennessee.

  56. No. Why would you believe something so stupid?

    Wasn’t it in Tennessee? Something about how since Tennessee never was occupied under reconstruction, shenanigans could and did take place?

  57. Abdul, did you ever hear an O-bot scream RAPE HER! at an Obama/Biden rally? Or “OFF WITH HER HEAD”?

  58. Do people yell “kill her!” and “terrorist” at Sarah Palin?

    Do the Democratic candidates stand there and smile while they do?

  59. Them folks is crazy. Oh the other hand, so are all the “Bush is a terrorist” folks. Bush IS a terrorist responses coming in 3…2…1…

  60. How hard is it for people here to understand the difference between something shouted at an ASNWER (or, say, a Minuteman) rally and one officially condoned by the party nominee?

  61. BDB & joe,

    Yes. In fact, I heard Michelle Obama yell it. Then they all decapitated a kitten.

    Now what? Have I proved the left is morally more unsound thean the right?

  62. “Unless that first video was wackily edited and re-dubbed, you can’t write this one off on ‘trolling libr’l bloggers’. He was asking simple factual questions, and these scarily normal-looking suburbanites took the bait.”

    I dunno, whenever a cameraman from the opposing side (not officially, but its obvious) there’s no “simple factual questions”. Try this: next time your wife or girlfriend goes to the ladies room, follow her in with a video camera and ask who’s going to be munching on carpet tonight.

  63. The KKK originated in Pulaski, Tennessee.

  64. I know! Let’s blame McCain’s nutcases on Ron Paul!! It MUST be that goddamn libertarian’s fault, and we all know from Paul’s campaign that the most extreme nutcase fully-represents a campaign!!!

  65. Oh, please. There are dopes on all sides.
    They say worse stuff at Obama’s church.

    Let’s not forget the the whole “George Bush is the real terrorist” BS from every anti-war rally and Bush =Hitler; the Atlantic cover photog; Randi Rhodes advocating Bush’s assasination on the air(but she still has a job!).

  66. Abdul,

    Have I proved the left is morally more unsound thean the right?

    No, because, as opposed to those videos, and the news reports we’ve been seeing about McCain/Palin rallies for the past few days, your little story is fictional.

  67. Let’s not forget the the whole “George Bush is the real terrorist” BS from every anti-war rally and Bush =Hitler; the Atlantic cover photog; Randi Rhodes advocating Bush’s assasination on the air(but she still has a job!).

    Well then, I’m sure we’ll be seeing the footage of people yelling “terrorist” and “kill him” at Barack Obama/Joe Biden rallies.

    Any minute now. Yup, any minute now. Because, well, you too!

  68. I’m going to say it real simple so everyone can understand.

    Official candidate rally != ANSWER/Minuteman/La Raza/Freeper rally

  69. This reminds me of the should be medicated folks that came out of the woodwork to support the Ron Paul run. I’m certain I could get some real wacky, even scary, disgusting quotes at an Obama rally. I bet it would be harder though.

  70. Them folks is crazy. Oh the other hand, so are all the “Bush is a terrorist” folks. Bush IS a terrorist responses coming in 3…2…1…

    Alright, I’ll bite. Let me preface this by saying I DO NOT BELIEVE GEORGE W. BUSH IS A TERRORIST.

    However, the people usually accusing him of such are basing that accusation on the conduct of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They don’t think he’s planning suicide bombings or building IEDs or arming car bombs. Nor do they think he’s running an Al Qaida like cell.

    I get the impression that most of these people, if asked, would say of Obama “well no, he’s not technically a terrorist” based on the same set of facts and conditions. But I think there’s a large number of them who probably believe that Obama is secretly connected to terrorist organizations. Because he’s, ya know, a Muslim, and all Muslims are terrorists, right? I mean “Obama”? “Hussein”? Really?

  71. i did see video of a crowd at the dem convention screaming kill her at malkin.

  72. I love it when the dems try to act like only certain types of crazy matter and some are negated. (As in the ones that apply to the Obama crowd aren’t really that bad.)

    I also love it when the government interference lovers in this forum are exposed. What a bunch of posers.

  73. “i did see video of a crowd at the dem convention screaming kill her at malkin.”

    Then I’m sure you can find it and post the link.

  74. Hey guys, please spend 200 more posts trying to pin the “your crazies are crazier than our crazies” label on each other. It entertains me immensely.

  75. find it yourself. it exists.

  76. I think it is times like this when Reason’s comsotarian bias really shines through the most. If McCain loses this election, it isn’t going to be because he smeared Obama too much. It’s going to be because as of today, he’s barely bothered trying to smear him at all.

    The issues are a wash. Neither guy has the slightest clue what’s going on and the differences between them on the issues are small enough to fit on a pin head. But the economy is bad and people associate McCain with Bush, so McCain is toast unless he turns this thing in to a race about Obama. As a candidate, Obama is terribly flawed. He’s a member of a despised race. I know that cosmos strain themselves to think otherwise, but when the average American thinks of a black person they think of the guy who tried to mug them, or the pan handler they pass every day, or the vile, utterly uncontrollable kids congregating around the bus stop. Blacking Obama up is the best thing McCain can do. And it would be a hell of a lot more effective than these intellectually based smears about William Ayers. If the smear requires a detailed knowledge of history, it isn’t an effective smear.

  77. It exists because you say so. Ok. Right.

  78. BDB,

    Heir

    I can’t watch the video, so I will not verify it contains what it purports to contain.

  79. but when the average American thinks of a black person they think of the guy who tried to mug them, or the pan handler they pass every day, or the vile, utterly uncontrollable kids congregating around the bus stop

    You have a low opinion of Americans.

    This is not the country you think it is.

  80. I dunno, whenever a cameraman from the opposing side (not officially, but its obvious) there’s no “simple factual questions”. Try this: next time your wife or girlfriend goes to the ladies room, follow her in with a video camera and ask who’s going to be munching on carpet tonight.

    You could always not answer the question. Or reject the premise of the question. They did neither.

    Bush IS a terrorist responses coming in 3…2…1…

    terrorist != war criminal

    Duh.

  81. That wasn’t at the DNC. That was at a leftist protest outside the DNC. Something tells me people protesting the DNC probably aren’t Democrats. Especially since they guy is calling Democrats “fake liberal neocons”.

  82. Jeeze, I at least expected it to take place INSIDE the hall, of not done by actual delegates. Nice try, though.

  83. (Now having watched it.) There is a guy chanting “Kill Michelle Malkin” over and over again. Not at the DNC. And definitely not a neo-con plant. But he is a Truther.

    Not that I care. Pox, houses, that sort of thing.

  84. yeah you nailed me. i lied. it wasn’t at the dnc. it was only near the dnc and it wasn’t superdelegates leading the charge.

  85. Hey PR, I bet I could find video of Fred Phelps screaming GOD HATES FAGS outside the RNC.

  86. i did see video of a crowd at the dem convention screaming kill her at malkin.

    I don’t want her killed. I think it would good for her to spend some time in an internment camp, though.

  87. And sure enough!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDDvIOCCMOg

    OMG FRED PHELPS AT THE RNC!!!

  88. “You could always not answer the question. Or reject the premise of the question. They did neither.”

    Yeah, like I said, some blogger got a bunch of idiots to advertise their stupidity on camera. It’s a low class, cheap shot regardless of whether the left or right does it. If you confront 100 people under those circumstances, a certain number will respond with idiocy. I don’t need to see the dregs of our political discourse splashed on my screen, and I think people who draw some sort of message from it are at the same level as the stupidity spewers, but they can sit back and proclaim their superiority because they aren’t on video, as if video makes stupidity more stupid and not just more visible.

  89. btw,

    A white trust fund kid who protested the Vietnam War

    threadwinner!

  90. SugarFree | October 9, 2008, 11:14am | #

    (Now having watched it.) There is a guy chanting “Kill Michelle Malkin” over and over again. Not at the DNC. And definitely not a neo-con plant. But he is a Truther.

    Not that I care. Pox, houses, that sort of thing.

    Truer words have never been written. A pox on people who oppose the Democrats from the right, and a pox on people who protest the Democrats from the left.

    ;-P

    I don’t want her killed. I think it would good for her to spend some time in an internment camp, though.

    Oh, Seitz, I think you should put a little more imagination into the question. It’s…worthwhile.

    Lamar,

    Sure, it’s Gotcha, but you know what? They got ’em. And those people aren’t just saying stupid stuff – they’re combining their stupid stuff with the words and ideas that are being said by the McCain campaign itself.

  91. MCcain, MCveigh….are they brothers???

    It’s in those Scots-Irish bloodlines…

  92. “Lamar, Sure, it’s Gotcha, but you know what? They got ’em. And those people aren’t just saying stupid stuff – they’re combining their stupid stuff with the words and ideas that are being said by the McCain campaign itself.”

    Yeah, I know, and I can’t disagree. But Elemenope had such a big heart in the renter foreclosure thread, and now its all “hang ’em high” on embarrassing the idiots of America. Yeah, I know, totally different. Somewhere in the bizarro world, Chris Crocker is screaming, “leave them alone!”

  93. What I want to know more about is whether Obama was a member of the “New Party” back in the mid-90s. The party described itself as “socialist democratic,” and I would be interested as to whether this becomes an October surprise. All McCain has to do is prove that Obama is a socialist (and really, it’s getting harder to deny), and I think he’s got a good chance at making enough Americans uncomfortable with Obama to win the election. I agree that using guilt by association is a bad electoral tactic (after all, I’m sure McCain has met and worked with some pretty bad people over the course of his career, too) but if Obama voluntarily joined an organization that describes itself as “socialist,” that’s a completely different story.

  94. let me help jeff out:

    “Is Obama a Terrorist?”

    the correct answer is that they’re both running for terrorist-in-chief. hence the promises of candy canes and sunshine for everyone; it helps the terror go down better.

  95. Nick–

    Illinois, IIRC, has a fusionist system like New York so it’s possible that when you run for state Senate you would be endorsed by more than one party (think of the Liberals, Conservatives, Right-to-Life, Working Families) in New york.

  96. Whether that endorsement is actively sought is another matter.

  97. Is it just me, or did that blond woman in the first video have two pupils as black as two piss-holes in the snow? Maybe it was just the video quality, but she sure looked like she was halfway through an acid trip. Maybe Obama will seem less demonic to her when she comes down, but I guess I can give her a pass because the things around her probably looked a lot like “Fantasia” at the time.

    As for the content in general, I can’t say I’m surprised that the interviewer found a bunch of kooks in the parking lot of a political rally, but those crankhead bikers in the second video were pure comedy gold.

  98. Why is Dave all “Oh, God” about the second video. Looks like one drunk woman ranting about ay-rabs with several of her dude friends, on and off camera, winding her up but good. In fact, they seem to be poking fun at her. One of the dudes even looks embarrassed & tries to get her to shut up. I’m inclined to file under not so scary.

    The first video on the other hand …

  99. “but if Obama voluntarily joined an organization that describes itself as “socialist,” that’s a completely different story.”

    Nuh-uh, Nick! He didn’t join it! He was just in the car with someone who was going to a party meeting and just happened to be standing there and signing his name to a list when the person with a car was joining the party. He didn’t know it was a socialist party list that he was signing. He thought he was signing up for a country club.

  100. Fusionist inside baseball Illinois politics will win this election for us! OCTOBER SURPRISE!

  101. MCcain, MCveigh….are they brothers???

    It’s in those Scots-Irish bloodlines…

    My thing is, McCain literally means “Son of Cain”. And I’m fucking shocked this hasn’t been a more common title-smear, in this religiously gripped society.

  102. BDB | October 9, 2008, 11:03am | #

    “i did see video of a crowd at the dem convention screaming kill her at malkin.”

    Then I’m sure you can find it and post the link.

    PR | October 9, 2008, 11:05am | #

    find it yourself. it exists.

    Way to bump up your credibilty, PR. Not even a IIRC/can’t find the %^* link disclaimer.

  103. Calling Bush a terrorist is at worst ridiculous hyperbole. Calling Obama a terrorist is incredibly ignorant racist garbage.

    I really get tired of hearing “the left does this” and “the right does that”. There is no such thing as “the left” or “the right”. Individuals can often be identified as left or right politically, but they don’t all get together and decide what crazy bullshit they are going to spout this month.

  104. The hillbillies in the second video don’t bug me at all, because they are 1) obviously shitfaced and 2) not at a political rally. The first video presents a parade of activists who are apparently morons when they’re sober.

    I’ll note that this is all taking place in a northern state (Ohio).

    The second video is from SE Kentucky.

  105. Get-a-camera-and-talk-to-freaks can be the lowest form of journalism.

    Not even close. I’d nominate shoving a microphone into the face of a mother that has just lost a child.

    Hateful ignorance is certainly not the exclusive property of the right. They are just usually better at exploiting it come election time.

    You don’t think that maybe when MSM journalists cover an Obama/Biden rally they get footage like this, but it ends up on the cutting room floor?

    There are bigots on both sides. What kind of Palen comments would you expect at a PETA rally?

  106. but they don’t all get together and decide what crazy bullshit they are going to spout this month

    You obviously ignored the B. HUSSEIN Obama and “why talk about Edwards at all” memes.

    Coordinated action doesn’t require central planning, just committed people attuned to the correct signals.

  107. The second video is from SE Kentucky.

    [hangs head]

  108. An MSM journalist didn’t get this footage. It was a blogger.

  109. “I’ll note that this is all taking place in a northern state (Ohio).”

    It had to be a bus load of southerners that came up north just to stir up trouble. Ought to mind their own business, otherwise they’ll find themselves buried in the Ohio swamp somewhere. Let the people of Ohio just be, instead of forcing them southern views on everyone else.

  110. Via Jonathan Martin, who says “it’s difficult to imagine even the most hard-core conservatives saying that Al Gore or John Kerry were terrorists.”

    POssibly because those two candidates didn’t have close associations with… terrorists.

    The major difference is the ignorance on the right doesn’t get made into front-pagers on the NYT.

  111. A PETA rally?

    So the reasoning here is that the McCain/Palin campaign is roughly equivalent to PETA, in terms of their radicalism?

    That is an extraordinary statement.

  112. The woman in the 2nd video can’t be all that hillbilly. She still has most of her teeth.

    She must be a DNC plant!

  113. POssibly because those two candidates didn’t have close associations with… terrorists.

    Oh, c’mon, TallDave. Ayers and Dohrn are just a couple in his neighborhood.

    Who hosted his Senate campaign kick-off.

    And served with him on a few foundation boards, distributing money to left-wing causes.

    And have known him since before he moved to Chicago.

    And helped him get his job as chair of those foundation boards.

  114. So the reasoning here is that the McCain/Palin campaign is roughly equivalent to PETA, in terms of their radicalism?

    I won’t eat any Republican that has a face.

  115. uh talldave? it’s supposed to be:

    POssibly because those two candidates didn’t have close associations with… terrorists a white trust fund kid who protested the Vietnam War.

  116. “Uh… no. A white trust fund kid who protested the Vietnam War.”

    Obama is clearly NOT a terrorist, but Ayers clearly was. You can’t possibly be serious, can you?

  117. I won’t eat any Republican that has a face.

    I will!

  118. So, how long do you think the old man is going to talk about the Sixties?

  119. Was it Obama who really killed Vince Foster? /snark

  120. “So, how long do you think the old man is going to talk about the Sixties?”

    Until he sees over the weekend that his poll numbers have plummeted even further.

    RCP Average in PA: O +13.8

    I’m giving him until that reaches + 20.

  121. You can’t possibly be serious, can you?

    It doesn’t count when white people do it. Unless they’re poor. Then they’re not really white.

  122. So, how long do you think the old man is going to talk about the Sixties?

    ‘Til those damn hippies get off the TV with their girly hair and marijuana injections!

  123. Ignorant rednecks are ignorant rednecks. Whaddyagonna do?

    What really gets me is when people in a position to know what’s going on keep giving this crap credibility. They can see what’s going as clearly as anyone, but they just. Don’t. Care. At least, not as much as they care about the Republicans winning an election.

  124. joe, I think it was a suggestion that democrat and PETA are synonimous.

  125. I am gonna quote Biden’s answer, when asked about some of this. This is a paraphrase, “when some of these really ugly things are yelled out, if the candidate hears it, I think it is their responsibility to say “woe woe woe now. Thats just wrong’.”

  126. All terrorists are not equal.

    [White trust-fund kid who makes a pipe-bomb] != [tightly knit network of guys with plans to fly planes into skyscrapers]

    It occurs to me that I’ve had to use the “!=” a real fucking lot lately. It’s almost like there is a meme conflation disease propagating through the site.

  127. The clips were telling. I think the blogger did a good job (in the first clip) exposing some of these people’s beliefs in some Obama-terrorist connection.

    The only question meant to be a “Gotcha” that doesn’t impress me is the whole bit about ‘only knowing Sarah Palin for 1 month, so why would you support her’ angle.

    If a candidate came along and represented my views – from the economy to social matters to foreign policy – would it matter if that person’s name entered my psyche one month ago or five years ago? I can read up on that person’s viewpoints, background and voting record by doing a day’s worth of Internet searches.

  128. QSL, I am guessing that was a response to the McCain campaign saying we should ask ourselves just how well we know Obama.

  129. Compare to this.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/confronting-rac.html

    There are going to be dark undercurrents in any political movement. The question is, what do political leaders do about it?

  130. So if a pipe bomber isn’t as bad as a plane crasher, then are ignorant rednecks that yell things at a video camera worse than a pipe bomber who actually bombed things?

    Good god, people, the desperation to prove the innocence of which ever you choose of these weak-ass candidates is stunningly obtuse and hackish.

  131. Has John McCain even said, “If you’re voting for me because Obama is black, I don’t want your vote”?

  132. Has Obama ever said, “If you’re voting for me because McCain is white, I don’t want your vote”?

  133. Politics is an ugly business. Both sides are willing to do whatever the hell they have to do to win — promise free health care, nationalize banks, steal even more in taxes, repeatedly lie to us about their plans to take away our guns, etc.

    They might also do something relatively innocuous compared to all this theft and coercion, as is documented in this post.

  134. So if a pipe bomber isn’t as bad as a plane crasher, then are ignorant rednecks that yell things at a video camera worse than a pipe bomber who actually bombed things?

    Bill Ayers circa 1970 was worse than these rednecks circa 2008.

    If said rednecks clean themselves up and become English teachers who do a lot of charity work in 30 years, nobody is going to say boo if they hold a fundraising event for a candidate, or sit on the same charity board.

  135. “i did see video of a crowd at the dem convention screaming kill her at malkin.”

    I don’t want her killed. I think it would good for her to spend some time in an internment camp, though.

    That won’t be necessary. She will have to live in a country when Barack Obama is President for four to eight years. In her world, that is internment.

  136. Yes, prolefeed, if you advocate for left-of-center positions, that’s worse than inflaming racial paranoia for political purposes.

    Way to keep your persepctive.

  137. The second video is excellent theater! The driver of the ATV is clearly Sean Penn with a little make-up (or maybe we are finally seeing him without). The woman is also clearly a famous actress …. I just can’t place her …

    Brilliant on the part of the Obama campaign!

  138. Obama is clearly NOT a terrorist, but Ayers clearly was. You can’t possibly be serious, can you?

    The point isn’t that Ayers isn’t or wasn’t a terrorist. The point is that people have a mental picture of what a terrorist is. Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber are/were terrorists as well, but if you said to an average American “here’s a box of 64 crayons, draw me a picture of a terrorist”, they probably won’t be reaching for “peach” to draw the skin color.

    So when you keep saying “Obama’s bestest friend in the whole world is a terrerrizzt!!”, then show people a picture of Bill Ayres, there’s a sense that you may be overplaying the terrorist card.

    Has Obama ever said, “If you’re voting for me because McCain is white, I don’t want your vote”?

    Yeah, no one is going to talk about the reverse racism this year. When African Americans, who normally only vote for Democrats at a 92% clip vote for Obama at a 96% clip, people will see just how racist they are. Because every black candidate always has the overwhelming support of the black community, regardless of party and policies.

    And for what it’s worth, I don’t think McCain needs to condemn those supporters of his who support him based purely on his race. He can’t help that anymore than Obama can.

  139. joe, thanks for the vid link. I liked it aplenty.

  140. I just saw a headline that a genealogist has determined that Palin is related to Princess Di. It’s a lock folks.

  141. “And for what it’s worth, I don’t think McCain needs to condemn those supporters of his who support him based purely on his race. He can’t help that anymore than Obama can.”

    Then we agree Seitz, because that was my point, as I was responding to the absurdness of the comment before mine.

  142. ———————————-
    I get the impression that most of these people, if asked, would say of Obama “well no, he’s not technically a terrorist” based on the same set of facts and conditions. But I think there’s a large number of them who probably believe that Obama is secretly connected to terrorist organizations. Because he’s, ya know, a Muslim, and all Muslims are terrorists, right? I mean “Obama”? “Hussein”? Really?
    ——————————–

    That’s just silly, so you think a large # of McCain supporters, lets say that means more than half so that puts the number at about 25 million, think Obama is secretly connected to terrorist organizations? Cause he’s..you know….a muslim, and he has Hussein in his name? You really, you know, think this? Not I’m not sure who’s dumber, the folks on the video or those that see the video and think tens of millions of people really, you know, think that way.

  143. That’s just silly, so you think a large # of McCain supporters, lets say that means more than half so that puts the number at about 25 million

    A “large number” and “a majority” are not synonymous. 1 million is a pretty large number, too, and more than enough to swing an election.

    I’m not sure who’s dumber, the folks who think Obama’s a terrorist, or the people who immediately assume “a large number” is at least 25 million.

  144. I’m sure if McCain had served on a board with Eric Rudolph and launched his Senate career at his house, no one would be calling him a terrorist. /eyeroll

    Meanwhile, in deranged lefty news, The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan continues to insist Palin’s son is actually that of Palin’s teenage daughter. And he’s not just some guy at an Obama rally.

  145. “Uh… no. A white trust fund kid who protested the Vietnam War.”

    Obama is clearly NOT a terrorist, but Ayers clearly was. You can’t possibly be serious, can you?”

    You have to discount anything Weigel says.

    He’s been a butt monkey for Obama from the get go.

  146. For what it is worth….To those of you who are so very concerned about Senator Obama’s association with that 60’s terrorist –
    Take a minute away from voicing your opinion and become a bit more educated about the board that Obama and Ayres both served on – look at where the money came from and who else served on that board. Then look those people up and you might just discover that some of the other ‘terrorist associators’ who served on that board went there with some pretty impressive mainstream Republican credentials.
    Just mentionin’ – dontcha know?

  147. Why would a terrorist (white trust fund kid) like Ayers want to associate with good patriotic Americans like Mr. and Mrs. Obama? Ayers is lucky Obama didn’t kick his white ass.

  148. Hey, Gil.

    Which cabinet post do you think Ayers will get?

    On the one hand, his professional background would seem to make him best suited for Secretary of Education.

    But then, I understand he’s done some work at the Pentagon, too.

  149. Schaden-whutta?

  150. “Obama is clearly NOT a terrorist, but Ayers clearly was.”

    Do terrorists generally give evacuation warnings to the people occupying the places they are going to bomb? Doesn’t that sort of take the “terror” out of it all?

  151. Don’t count your chickens before they’re elected.

  152. talldave, interesting story about the Palin pregnancies. Pictures and everything, Thanks for the tip. If Sullivan is wrong, then Bristol should give birth in about 3 months. If he is right, then due to the conflicting timelines, we should see a news story any day now about a miscarriage for Bristol’s baby. Because if Trig is actually hers, she can’t be 6 months along already. Time has to reveal the truth on this.

  153. “Which cabinet post do you think Ayers will get?”

    Secretary of Homeland Security

  154. Sort of the “it takes a thief” idea.

    Sure, that works.

  155. Sorry Weigel, I have no sympthy for Obama on this one. I live in a heavily liberal area, and I hear moonbat accusations against conservative all the time. It’s scary that the people in your videos believe what they say, but it’s just as scary as those liberals who believe that conservatives literally want to steal social security checks from your grandma, literally believe that conservatives want to imprison all homosexuals, literally believe that conservatives want to restore slavery. Some of the accusation I have heard against Palin are beyond the pale, so should I be blaming the Obama campaign because someone who has his bumpersticker on his car made them?

  156. You know what I like? Iron Maiden. I’m going to go listen to Piece of Mind and forget all about the election.

  157. Meanwhile, in deranged lefty news, The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan continues to insist Palin’s son is actually that of Palin’s teenage daughter. And he’s not just some guy at an Obama rally.

    No, he doesn’t. You have to completely distort what he has written in order to come to that conclusion.

  158. “Sorry Weigel, I have no sympthy for Obama on this one. I live in a heavily liberal area, and I hear moonbat accusations against conservative all the time. It’s scary that the people in your videos believe what they say, but it’s just as scary as those liberals who believe that conservatives literally want to steal social security checks from your grandma, literally believe that conservatives want to imprison all homosexuals, literally believe that conservatives want to restore slavery. Some of the accusation I have heard against Palin are beyond the pale, so should I be blaming the Obama campaign because someone who has his bumpersticker on his car made them?”

    The leftist wackos have been hanging Bush in effigy for years, making movies about assasinating him, etc etc.

    I don’t recall any of the liberal pundits denouncing any of it or assigining blame to liberal Democrat politicians.

  159. making movies about assasinating [Bush],

    Oh, really? Since the are “movies” you can perhaps name one.

  160. http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-is-not-the-mother-video-and-photos/

    this is the “best” source I found in a quick search. It is compelling IMO

    BTW, if you look at the link, in the comments, there are a number of links to pics of Sarah Palin during the last pregnancy and from previous pregnancies.

  161. There was a film about Bush being assassinated–but it was made by a British woman and shown in Canada.

  162. Oh, really? Since the are “movies” you can perhaps name one.

    See below:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/01/AR2006090100858.html

  163. There must be plenty of medical records and obstetricians and medical eye-witnesses prepared to testify to Sarah Palin’s giving birth to Trig. There must be a record of Bristol’s high school attendance for the past year. And surely, surely, the McCain camp did due diligence on this. But the noise around this story is now deafening, and the weirdness of the chronology sufficient to rise to the level of good faith questions. So please give us these answers – and provide medical records for Sarah Palin’s pregnancy – and put this to rest.

    Sounds like Sullivan want McCain and Co. to prove a negative. Would this be considered dirty pool by Obama supporters?

    “But the noise around this story is now deafening, and the weirdness of the chronology sufficient to rise to the level of good faith questions. So please give us these answers – and provide birth certificates, school attendance records, and a day by day of Obama’s adult life to prove he had no contacts with terrorists – and put this to rest.”

    Sounds like the proof Sullivan wants could be deemed unsatisfactory until we could see a video of Trig crowning. Maybe Sullivan has fantasies of being one of the courtiers who would jostle and fistfight to see the new prince actually slither out of the queen’s vagina.

  164. Sounds like Sullivan want McCain and Co. to prove a negative. Would this be considered dirty pool by Obama supporters?

    No, it actually sounds like Sullivan wants McCain and Co. (and Obama and Co.; he was harping on Biden’s medical records just a week ago) to be forthcoming with certain types of records, on the notion that information in them would be useful for voters to make determinations about the health and truthfulness of the candidates.

    Proving a negative has nothing to do with it. If he *still* wasn’t satisfied after the records were released, then I’d see your point. But it is awfully uncharitable to assume that he wouldn’t be before the fact.

  165. Ele,

    They want medical records to settle an ignorant rumor.

    How’s this: Barack Obama not the father of his children! Michelle’s girls fathered by Willie Horton! Why won’t they give his their medical records? What are they hiding?

    Sullivan is just monstering. Partisan insanity doesn’t put unreasonable obligations on the targets of their insanity.

  166. Regarding that link about the Palin daughter and the new baby:

    You know, I feel really creepy and low-down reading dirty political games made by some no-name internet blogger about teenage girls and whether they’re sexually active at really young ages, babies with Downs Syndrome, whether they’re breastfeeding or not, and analyzing a teenager girl’s body changes. And yeah, I’d feel bad about anything being said about Obama’s little girls too. And I was always disturbed about the things people used to say about Chelsea Clinton, because she and my own daughter are the same age. I don’t care whether the political game in question is president of the United States or the whole damn world.

    Sorry, but I think there’s a special place in hell (whatever hell you believe in or don’t believe in) for people who engage in this sort of malicious political gossip without conscience and even seem gleeful about it. That’s really scummy. Some people really need to meditate and do some soul searching. Or at the very least go something decent for the world.

  167. Defending Sullivan is idiotic. Anyone doing it should really rethink what they’re engaging in.

  168. “Defending Sullivan is idiotic.”

    Agreed. He’s just a lefty version of LGF.

  169. The Palin Truth Movement

    Burning jet fuel couldn’t have given birth to a Down’s baby! Her uterus collapsed under a controlled birtholition! Todd Palin’s penis would have left a larger hole than that! Sarah Palin was impregnated by a US fighter jet over Pennsylvania!

    Why are you libertarians believing the government’s lies!?!?!?!

  170. “All McCain has to do is prove that Obama is a socialist (and really, it’s getting harder to deny), and I think he’s got a good chance at making enough Americans uncomfortable with Obama to win the election.”

    I’m sorry, but a socialist?

    Do they even still make them anymore? You are aware that it’s 2008 and not 1968, right?
    How old are you?

    While we’re at it, Abe Simpson, Got any “belt onion” stories to tell?

    Seriously though – message to baby-boomers: Grow the hell up and stop being self-absorbed little children still scared of the “socialist” boogeyman hiding in your closet.

  171. These people are angry because they’ve been condescended to by the media and the Pelosicrats their whole lives. The truth is that most Americans don’t trust Obama. They don’t like his politics and they’re wary of his terrorist ties. But the media’s “spin” makes most of them too cynical to even vote. And you blame Palin for giving normal people a chance to be heard? The real racism is on the left, with people like Obama’s minister, but it’s not politically correct to talk about it, is it?

  172. Defending Sullivan is idiotic. Anyone doing it should really rethink what they’re engaging in.

    Oh calm down, Epi. Defending the point a guy makes is not the same as defending the guy. I for one think that candidates should be more forthcoming with information about themselves that would be relevant for the voting public to know to assist decision-making, and that that point is being made by Sullivan is rather irrelevant to the matter of whether it is a good point or not.

  173. Sullivan isn’t really a “lefty.” More of a fair-weather windbag. Circa March 2003, he was a seig-heiling Bush zealot.

  174. These people are angry because they’ve been condescended to by the media and the Pelosicrats their whole lives.

    A couple things: I notice you don’t defend the content of statements of “these people.” Hmmm. Apparently feeling condescension from the media leads you to be bat-shit crazy instead of seeking out truth in a rational manner. Odd that. Also, Pelosi has been Speaker for only a couple years, and “these people” are significantly older than two.

    The truth is that most Americans don’t trust Obama.

    Source?

    They don’t like his politics

    Actually his policy positions typically score quite well in polls, and presidents in the past with similar policies have enjoyed wide support.

    and they’re wary of his terrorist ties.

    What terrorist ties? Let’s put it on the table: do you actually believe that the fact that Obama worked on the same committee as Ayers long ago means that we have to fear Obama bombing public buildings as president or ignoring Al Qaeda?

    But the media’s “spin” makes most of them too cynical to even vote.

    Actually, people are registering to vote in unprecedented numbers. Let’s make a bet: I say more people will vote in this election than ever before. You?

    And you blame Palin for giving normal people a chance to be heard?

    The problem with Palin isn’t her “normalness.” It’s her lack of command of the issues. I would love to see a qualified everyday person running. Palin isn’t that person.

    The real racism is on the left, with people like Obama’s minister, but it’s not politically correct to talk about it, is it?

    Actually, it was all people talked about for weeks. But people finally arrived at the rational conclusion that “guilt by association” is a fallacious way of thinking. And you know what? It still is.

  175. “Actually, people are registering to vote in unprecedented numbers”

    Even ones who don’t actually exist.

    Just check with ACORN on that.

  176. the “point” is more idiotic than sullivan lmnopalintruther

  177. Even ones who don’t actually exist.

    I was obviously referring to the existing ones.

    Any other lame responses?

  178. ACORN will steal this election for HUSSEIN.

  179. I was being sarcastic, in case anyone misses that.

  180. This is ridiculous. The one thing I beg to differ with in above comments is the idea that only fringe lefties have said extreme things about President Bush. Everyone on the left has done nothing but call President Bush Hitler and a Nazi for the past 6 years, including main stream people in the suburbs of Portland — who are supposed to be intelligent … so saying they have not, is almost an insult to a conservative. We have been a punching bag for the left as we “cling to our guns and religion.” Michael Moore is revered and considered main stream by the left — which to me is as scary and uninformed as the folks in this video. As a conservative, I think they made this video for the lowest common denominator — which is good internet fodder. At the end of the day I wish both campaigns would give some straight talk, but honestly, neither candidate is equipped to handle this mess. I am voting for McCain because I don’t want the most liberal bunch in the land running this country unchecked — but am I excited about it? No. I think Obama is completely unqualified and I think McCain is a RINO. I think Joe Biden is a tool and I think Sarah Plain is awesome, but not ready for the highest office in the land. Whatever the outcome — We’re Screwed 08 — BOTH parties failed to put forth a candidate anyone can really believe in.

  181. Sorry, BDB. Party foul.

    The correct sarcastic statement would be:

    “ACORN will steal this election for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.”

  182. Wow, Gil, so an obscure British flick that will never be released for general exhibition made by and even more obscure Limey director with no discernible leftwing ties is “leftist wackos…making movies about assasinating him.”

    Fom the plot description there is nothing anti-Bush about the film at all. It’s a straightfoeward dramatization about what might happen if the President of the US was assassinate. Bad taste to use a sitting prez? Maybe, but some “creative” types will do anything to be edgy.

    OK, that’s one, you said, “movies”. Another, if you please.

  183. It’s going to be fun to watch the right wing bitch, moan, and whine about ACORN for four years. Just like it was fun to watch the left bitch, whine, and moan about Diebold and hanging chads for the last eight.

  184. Todd Palin’s penis would have left a larger hole than that!

    Well, I have my quote-of-the-day.

  185. Even ones who don’t actually exist.

    Just check with ACORN on that.

    Of course, non-existant people don’t actually show up to vote.

  186. Mmmmm….I would love to find out what Todd Palin’s penis can do.

  187. Reason refuses to have a quote-of-the-day because they know I would totally pwn it. I don’t know why they’ve got to drink Hater-ade all the time. FACE ME, COWARDS!

  188. Defending the point a guy makes is not the same as defending the guy.

    Technically true, but when the point is scurrilous, inherently incredible, and pursued by the guy beyond all reason or sanity because of a frothing hatred, then it gets pretty hard for your defense of the point not to slop over onto the guy.

    Really, can’t we condemn Sully’s point and all who pursue it?

  189. “Defending the point a guy makes is not the same as defending the guy. “

    unless they’re defending a republican’s point

  190. The leftist wackos have been hanging Bush in effigy for years, making movies about assasinating him, etc etc.

    OK, since this is so equivalent, I’m sure we’ll be seeing those videos of people at Obama events shouting “kill him” and “terrorist” and generally carrying on like this any minute now. Yep, any minute now.

    Tick tock.

  191. People are just now noticing that Andrew Sullivan is partisan, unfair, gullible, exciteable, and disrespectful?

    Where were you people before the Iraq War? Where were you when he wrote the day after the WTC attacks that Americans in “decadent coastal enclaves” were going to form a Fifth Column to help al Qaeda?

  192. Everyone on the left has done nothing but call President Bush Hitler and a Nazi for the past 6 years.

    I stopped for a snack back in April of 05. Fried dough.

    So hungry. So very hungry. bushitler. So hungry.

  193. “It’s going to be fun to watch the right wing bitch, moan, and whine about ACORN for four years. Just like it was fun to watch the left bitch, whine, and moan about Diebold and hanging chads for the last eight.”

    Except that there is actual evidence that ACORN is involved in vote fraud whereas all that Diebold and hanging chad stuff was just in the liberal’s heads.

  194. WTF, I thought I safely locked those relatives away a long time ago!!!

    Actually, the video with the drunk hilljacks on the ATV has been around at least a month, well before the McPalin campaign took its recent particularly virulent turn.

  195. Vote fraud? There’s evidence that somebody cast a fradulent ballot? I thought it was just phony registrations.

  196. I find it interesting how much time is being devoted in these comments to how partisan or biased a particular commentator is.

    EVERYONE has a bias of some sort. It’s human nature. The trick isn’t to look for someone who’s miraculously bias-free, but to make sure that you’re exposed to enough different viewpoints to discern the truth.

  197. Except that there is actual evidence that ACORN is involved in vote fraud whereas all that Diebold and hanging chad stuff was just in the liberal’s heads.

    If the evidence were that substantial, the justice department wouldn’t have had to fire so many DAs for failing to find it.]

    As long as the Republican party is focused on ACORN or voter fraud as a reason they’re losing elections, they’re going to keep losing, and look even more pathetic doing it.

  198. >>>Except that there is actual evidence that ACORN is involved in vote fraud whereas all that Diebold and hanging chad stuff was just in the liberal’s heads.>>>

    I think that’s fraudulent registrations. It’s because people get paid for each registration they turn in. It doesn’t result in actual votes. In fact, to the extent that it helps anyone, it would help Republicans by wasting Dem resources and throwing off their projections.

    At least the lefty’s came up with a conspiracy theory that actually made sense, even if it wasn’t true.

    But anyway.

  199. Untruths? John McCain is a coward who has to hide behind two women, a racist ex-beauty queen and a bottle blonde with connections to organized crime and the murder of an Arizona Republic journalist investigating friends of her father. If Obama had been sitting on a board and killed Benjamin Linder because Linder was trying to help the poor, I would call him a terrorist too. Oh wait…John McCain sat on a board and paid people to do that. “Why not ask David and Elizabeth Linder? Or the family of Sister Maureen Courtney? John McCain funneled money and guns and grenades and missile launchers to the terrorists through a right-wing fringe group.” asked Irwin Tang. “The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the IRS, which revoked the charitable organization’s tax exemption.” Wrote the Associated Press. “The McCain campaign, in a continuing effort to link Barack Obama to domestic terrorism, released a statement Wednesday from a New York supporter, recounting how his family home was firebombed by the radical 1960s group founded by Obama supporter William Ayers. But the McCain supporter, John M. Murtagh, has his own ties to radical protesters: He served as a lawyer for a Catholic priest who led protests at an abortion clinic that turned violent.” wrote The Wall Street Journal.

  200. I think those comments mask a deep seated racism.

  201. Weigel writes: It reminds me of the collapse of the illegal immigration issue. Yes, a majority of people told pollsters they wanted “secure borders,” but once they started associating those opinions with beer-bellied Minutemen snooping around the AZ-Mexico border, or mouthbreathing radio hosts like Michael Savage…

    In his own very special way, Weigel (accidentally) puts his finger on the problem. Those images Weigel discusses were brought to us by the MSM. They covered the issue in one way and spread lies designed to support illegal activity.

    In the case of BHO, the MSM has largely presented only one side to him and has almost completely failed to discuss his radical links and past.

    Weigel’s comments show little more than the fact that he believes what he’s told rather than being able to think for himself.

  202. To blame it all on the candidates is to take away any sense of personal responsibility or accountability.

    This is just sheer denial and/or idiocy. McCain/Palin have decided (and announced!) that they have no chance at winning if the focus is on the economy so they have *chosen* to stoke baseless, irrational fear. This is a deliberate choice reflected in their rhetoric and adverts (though McCain evidently doesn’t have the courage to call Obama a terrorist-sympathizer to his face, so much for the McCain myth on that front). You, sir/ma’am, are failing to hold McCain and Palin *themselves* to the standards of responsibility and accountability. They’re stoking these flames, chief. Only an idiot or a sheep would fail to see this. Which one is it?

  203. So I wonder if people will go bat shit crazy screaming racism the first time President Obama gets strung up and burned in effigy like previous presidents have.

  204. I’ll play because my sister in law could be the woman in the first video (if sober) or in the second (if not). (You do realize if you saw it that they were all drunk right?)

    There is a streak of paranoia in American life (and for all I know it’s a universal of human existence, for some percentage of people). Think “single bullet theory” and the entire industry spawned by the belief that some set of actors official or not conspired to kill Kennedy and then cover it up. Or that there is a conspiracy among vaccine researchers to cover up the truth about the cause of autism. Or that the Colgate Palmolive Co. is a conspiracy of devil worshipers (which rumors were so persistent that it had to change the logo that was used as “evidence” of its cult-like tendencies).

    My father was a left leaning paranoid, my brother is politically neutral, and my sister in law is definitely rightward looking. What distinguishes the left from the right probably has to do more with cultural cues than it does with actual mental health.

    But that does mean that leftists (and libertarians) are less likely, for instance, to factor racism and guns into their paranoia, and more likely to spend a lot of time reading deep tomes about government spying. The former is just more likely to spiral into something dangerous to actual people than the latter.

    I would also argue, at least over the last 8 years, that to a degree that I find very unsettling, this paranoia has been stoked and encouraged by a president (and vice president) who seek to use it to enlarge their power. That is, they have made it worse among those who instinctively support them and have paranoid tendencies.

  205. @Tracy:

    You’re pretty much on the money. But I still think you’re underestimating Palin.

  206. They are what Margaret Fuller labeled the Nineteenth Century fundamentalists of her day: The enemies of youth; the enemies of life itself. Not enough attention has been paid to how crazy these people have become by the difference between McCain’s and Obama’s ages. This animus was first revealed (to me at least) when the egregious Palin went off on “backpacks” and student travel. And we still don’t know for certain how many children she has. We do know their ages, though.

  207. Look these folks have always been there. They lynched blacks, tortured and killed Emmett Till, supported MaCarthy, fought integration of the army, bombed abortion clinics, you name it. With his campaign dying McCain and Palin have chosen to summon Lincoln’s dark angels. It’s disgusting but it’s what the Republican party has become in 2008. It why I chose to leave it. These people are a disgrace to America but don’t expect McCain or Palin to point that out.

  208. In his own very special way, Weigel (accidentally) puts his finger on the problem. Those images Weigel discusses were brought to us by the MSM. They covered the issue in one way and spread lies designed to support illegal activity.

    OLS, I consider you a dangerous asshole and be turned off by your politics, and the entirety of my exposure to you is you expressing your own message in your own manner.

  209. “EVERYONE has a bias of some sort. It’s human nature. The trick isn’t to look for someone who’s miraculously bias-free, but to make sure that you’re exposed to enough different viewpoints to discern the truth.”

    Mark, so true, so very very true.

  210. PR wrote: “i did see video of a crowd at the dem convention screaming kill her at malkin.”

    You misheard, they were yelling “Ooooh, get her!”

  211. Burning jet fuel couldn’t have given birth to a Down’s baby! Her uterus collapsed under a controlled birtholition!

    that has to be the funniest thing I’ve ever read

  212. Ayres was acquitted of any misdeeds over 30 years ago. In the eyes of the law he is innocent. It is true that the lead prosecutor in the case against him was disappointed that he could not get a conviction. He just wrote a letter to the N.Y. Times saying that he wanted to convict Ayres, but the jury disagreed with him. That is our system of justice.

    I want to ask McCain, “should we all be held accountable for our associations with people who may have done really bad things 30 years before we met them”? How many politicians want to be held to that standard? Let’s see a show of hands.

  213. My grandfather’s middle name was Adolf, didn’t make him a Nazi!

    These people make me sick. “Black ain’t got nothing to do with it” my ass.

  214. Pretty mild stuff compared to this

  215. Let me go on the record:

    1) I live in the liberal loving bastian of san francisco

    2) I am voting for john mccain.

    I am voting for McCain for a variety of reasons. He is not the perfect canditate, but he is better than the alternative. First and foremost, I believe he wont raise taxes and obama will, and as much as the dying republican message of low taxes and small government still exists, McCain is the only politician in the race who represents any minute thread of that philosophy.

    Obama represents the further expansion of our government and government sponsored social programs. . . something that will only further destroy America.

    so a leftist blogger when to a mccain rally and videotaped a few comments from a few righties that think he is a terrorist. everyday in the news and media, we see people on the left shouting and printing equally despicable vile about the right. Everyday walking through this city, I see people wearing t-shirts with barack obamas mug on it, but they cannot really explain why they are voting for obama, and all they know about sarah palin is that she supposedly hates polar bears.

    again, the bile on the left is just as bad, if not worse than what a few nut jobs have said at a mccain rally.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

    mccain/palin 08. because its better than the alternative.

  216. Still, this video by an Ohio liberal blogger is bloodcurdling.

    He’s not known so much as an “Ohio liberal blogger” so much as he is known as an “Ohio local crackpot”. Seriously. Guy’s got problems. Frankly I’m surprised Reason linked to him. You should do your research more thoroughly. If you were to have so much as second-hand experience with his demeanor, you might understand why he brings out the worst in people. I’ll only say that it’s unlikely that partisanship was the impetus for all of those rally attendees telling the guy to get the camera out of their faces and go away. A meatspace griefer, that one.

  217. Well, they certainly sound a little silly, but “bloodcurdling?” Can you say hyperbole? People at political rallies are typically reved up about their candidate, and against the other, and I have seen similar things from Obama rallies, as well.

    I usually come to Reason.com because the articles are more rational than what I find elsewhere, but this was absolute tripe. I hope this isn’t a preview of what is to come – otherwise, I might have to give up coming here and stick with other blogs and websites that I trust.

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