Sarah, Sarah, Whatever Made You Want to Change Your Mind?
The phrase of the week: "Free Sarah!" As the governor of Alaska edges closer and closer to the Island of Political Punch-Lines occupied by Dan Quayle and Fred Thompson, conservatives are insisting that Palin is actually a briliant political operator who's being ruined by bad advice from Team McCain. Bill Kristol insists that McCain "needs to liberate his running mate," and all will be, as Palin says, like, really cool.
I'm told McCain recently expressed unhappiness with his staff's handling of Palin. On Sunday he dispatched his top aides Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis to join Palin in Philadelphia. They're supposed to liberate Palin to go on the offensive as a combative conservative in the vice-presidential debate on Thursday.
That's a sensible spin. The last time Palin was effective, she was reading a combative conservative speech (much of which was written for whichever VP McCain decided on) at the RNC, all slashing attacks on community organizers, high taxes, and book learnin'. But it was, you know, a speech. Like the kind Barack Obama makes, the kind that leads conservatives to mock him for jellifying without a teleprompter. If Palin's been faltering since then (hint: she has!), it's because she's not a combative conservative. She's an affable, aw-shucks conservative. That's how she got her 80 percent approval rating. Witness some of her final 2006 gubernatorial debate and see if you can locate the grenade-tosser whom Kristol is summoning.
Honestly, if that Palin shows up, conversant and unfazed, it'd be better for the ticket than her trying to launch attack lines. If Al Gore's disasters in 2000 taught us anything, it's that televised debates are not the times to try on new personalities.
The GOP has already set up a difficult, potentially no-win scenario for themselves here. Sure, if Palin is more on-point than she has been in her national TV interviews, she'll benefit. But the GOP has spent far too much time building up Joe Biden as a "gaffe-o-matic" (which he sort of is) and a bumbler whom Obama should regret choosing as his VP. Palin herself mocked the choice and said Obama should have chosen Hillary Clinton. Instead of being built up as the debating savant that he is (did he lose any of the primary debates?) he's that sad sack who's going to get mauled by the Sarahcuda.
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You can put lipstick on a pig...
She looked really good there. However, she said, "I believe that no government should be sanctioning or assisting taking life." Is she opposed to the death penalty?
When the Democrats win, I hope they are appropriately grateful toward the McCain campaign that has helped them so much.
Much like telling the truth about her lack of foreign policy experience would have been better for the ticket. Somehow I think McCain's stunningly incompetent campaign managers will fuck this up too.
Told ya she'd flame out spectacularly.
If Biden chews her up and spits her out, it'll be entertaining. If she performs and Biden is the gaffe-o-matic, it'll be entertaining. If both of them fuck up worse than Michael Richards, it'll be entertaining. If anything of substance comes out of their mouths, I'll put on my clown suit.
Al Gore had personality? -- I mean, before OR after 2000?
On the other hand, if only he had taken the White House in 2000. Or Buchanan. Or... Nader. Or, the next guy walking through the door. Or that guy's sister.
Sigh.
I'll put on my clown suit.
Did you finally get the crotch let out? Maybe you can start doing kid's parties again...
On "Biden the gaffe-machine," a Republican pundit offered this gem over the weekend:
Here's a guy who thought FDR was president during the Great Depression.
I'd give him credit for going meta, but I doubt he'd know what that means.
When McCain first picked Sarah Palin
The pundits predicted smooth sailin'
But her candidacy
It was easy to see
quickly went from successful to failin'
Is the title a "Starship" referance?
...Joe Biden as a "gaffe-o-matic" (which he sort of is)...
Right. Like blue is "sort of" a color.
By the way, I'm really looking forward to the Reason event where Wayne Allyn Root does live commentary over the VP debate.
I've held off taking hallucinigens my whole life just for that moment.
In any other campaign, Biden's gaffes would be hurting the Democratic ticket.
But somehow McCain has managed to be more outrageous than Joe Biden.
If Biden rears his head in Palin's airspace during the debate, look out. If there's one thing that Palin can do, and do well, it is to send those out to keep an eye on them that might poke their head into something. Reporters.
It's just like Rick Santorum predicted - first gay marriage, and now people putting lipstick on pigs.
Did you finally get the crotch let out? Maybe you can start doing kid's parties again...
Dude: this is all I can say about that.
Hey, Sarah and/or John might be stopping by my office today. Anything I should pass on (that won't get me shuffled off to Guantanamo?)
Oh, wait. I haven't been invited to the meeting. I wonder why.
Episiarch,
The rodeo clowns are here. Toot toot.
Considering all the wasted advice Palin is getting, perhaps "Drowning... in a sea of love" would be a better headline. At least it comes from a much better "Sara" song.
THE URKOBOLD HAS ADVICE FOR GOV. PALIN. IF SHE FEELS THAT SHE'S GOING UNDER DURING THE DEBATE, SHE SHOULD STARE AT BIDEN WHEN HE'S SPEAKING AND LICK HER LIPS. FONDLING HER BREASTS AT THE SAME TIME WOULD ALSO BE A STRATEGICALLY SOUND MOVE. JOE IS EASILY FLUSTERED, SO SHE COULD CLAIM TO BE TSARINA OF RUSSIA AND STILL "WIN" THE DEBATE AFTER HE STUMBLES AND BUMBLES AROUND HER SEXUAL ASSAULT.
So easy to look at, so hard to define.
Mimes! Get them!
"You silent motherfuckers!"
Bipartisanship and ? Maverick McCain.
Dear concerned citizens of America and Mass Media of the U.S.A.
As a concerned registered independent voter, forensic psychiatrist, disabled American I made my decision to vote after taking into consideration following joint tickets attributes and characteristics.
1. Has the ticket shown adequate calmness, coolness, and connectedness's under pressure to lead our nation [Presidential Temperament]?
2. Has the ticket shown sustained sound "Judgment and Caliber"?
3. Has the ticket shown adequate understanding of depth and degree to address the crucial challenges in their their purpose, policies, and positions [ Honesty, integrity and sincerity]?
4. Has the ticket sufficient "understanding and knowledge" of inside Washington workings [Experience]"?
5. Has the ticket reservoir resilience, wisdom, and vigor to address the present and future f our beloved "Great-grand Nation"?
6. Has the ticket enough joint foreign policy experience and exposure based on " Values, Virtues, Vastness, and " [American moral soul]"?
7. Has their campaign talk, slogans, ads, plans, and programs based on facts and are they free of fear, fiction, frivolous labels, unfair attacks, negativity, and impulsively? [No "imminent danger to national
security and safety"].
8. Has the ticket genuinely kept on message of country first and politics last and avoided copying [Message change"]?
9.Has the ticket message stayed away from Culture divide and war[ Disaster prevention ]?
10. Has the ticket resisted being surrounded, supported and surrogate's by divisiveness, distortion's, and destructive characters, [ Real patriotism VS shiftiness and shameless parrot-ism]?
11. Has the ticket thoughtful, real non-partisan, & non-impulsive plans to address our current economic crisis or political tactics and temperamental statements.
I have personally and professionally concluded that OBAMA-BIDEN ticket will lift and inspire our greatgrand nation back to its greatness within and restore our global standing with the use of maximum, firm
international diplomacy and minimal force if and when indicated {" Peace thru Strenght "}.
12. The era of responsibility has to replace irresponsibility and unaccountability will change to accountability and transparency. The Wall Street greed will change to Main Street need.
13. Temperamental and Angry McCain is out to play and create a card mistrust and distress around Obama with the Vail of claim that he will bring bipartisanship in Washington DC. He is destroying him claim every by painting Obama naive. It is tragic, sad, and unfortunate that so called Maverick McCain has already generated a disdain and demeaning face off in the debates and bailout suggestion. Obama is real Presidential and he maintained a smile during the debate and while McCain had a constant grin and disdain towards Obama.
Yours sincerely,
COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] MD.
Forensic psychiatrist, Disabled American Veteran and Iraq
Freedom team. Grass roots California leader per Senator McCain's
PS: It is sad and unfortunate that Hon, Temperamental and angry Maverick McCain had a constant grin and disdain towards his debater.
"How do like THIS box, huh?"
Mr. Khajawall, did you see George Will's piece that mirrored your sentiments on Presidential temperament?
I wonder if SIV still thinks she was a brilliant pick. Or John.
"Look, kid. You're a loser. Your parents had to pay grown men to come and play with you today, because kids collectively, on a whole, think you suck."
The questions is whether CBS let's this stuff out before the debate or sometime after, because they're going to get out sooner or later.
It may have been a turning point for Couric, who was persistent without being overbearing, in shedding early doubts about her ability to be a commanding presence in the CBS anchor chair. And the worst may be yet to come for Palin; sources say CBS has two more responses on tape that will likely prove embarrassing.
I don't have anything to add to rhywun @ 11:19 am. WTF. Let Sarah be Sarah - why not, at this point? The energy issue that carried the Repubs this far is fading, they blew their chance to win any credit for opposing the bail-out, so just let 'er run, I say.
In any other campaign, Biden's gaffes would be hurting the Democratic ticket.
But somehow McCain has managed to be more outrageous than lose the protective mantle of Big Media Favorite to Joe Biden.
Probably the only thing that can bet the Dem ticket at this point would be a sea change in coverage - away from fawning and protective to, at least, evenhanded. Dozens of reporters descending on Chicago to dig through every scrap of Obama's past the way they did Palin could well bring him down. On-air smirking over Biden's gaffes the way they do Palin's would suck any vestiges of credibility from the Dem VP as well.
Oh well. I always say that, if you're standing around after the game saying "we wuz robbed by the refs", you didn't have a strong enough team in the first place.
I made my decision to vote after taking into consideration following joint tickets attributes and characteristics.
Hey, it's like a presidential Keltner list!
/baseball nerd
I commend the Urkobold for resisting the temptation to give advice to Ms. Palin if she "feels she's going under down" during the debate.
I still can't watch anything with Florence Henderson without giggling, Ep.
"They ALL float down here. When you're down here with us, you'll float too!"
Ah, sorry... wrong clown movie.
Is the title a "Starship" referance?
Bob Dylan. From the LP Desire.
AGGRESSIVE RESTRAINT IS THE URKOBOLD'S STOCK IN TRADE, MR. DEAN. BESIDES, THE URKOBOLD FEELS THAT GOV. PALIN'S SITUATION DOES NOT CALL FOR THE FELLATUCLEAR OPTION AT THIS TIME.
joe, when I see her, I just want to piss on a clown. Luckily I hate The Brady Bunch.
Is it a major character flaw in me that the only Dylan I've ever heard was on the radio?
Dozens of reporters descending on Chicago to dig through every scrap of Obama's past the way they did Palin could well bring him down.
You mean like they did 11 months ago through July? They're not going easy on Obama because they like him, they're going easy on him (to the extent that they are) because they expelled all their fresh ammo on him during the primaries. Nobody cares about what they have anymore, just like nobody cares about the Keating 5 because it's already been through the news cycle. And there isn't anything left to use. If McCain were smart, he'd have chosen somebody who was the Republican equivalent of Biden, who could help while having had the benefit of his dirty laundry being aired out long ago. Or, at least have already known about all the points the press is coming at her with. The fact that they didn't, and that they're now trying to blame the media for their own poor planning, is pathetic.
Is it a major character flaw in me that the only Dylan I've ever heard was on the radio?
Yes. Yes it is.
I wonder if SIV still thinks she was a brilliant pick. Or John.
I'll admit that I thought it was a pretty gutsy choice that might have worked.
I am still of two minds. One is like Kristol's and says she is being excessive handled and that if she would relax, stop trying so hard to give the 'right' answer, and just be herself, she would come across a lot better and not so much of a lightweight ditz. But the other (which I'm increasing leaning toward as the correct one) is that seeing that she can be so easily pushed around is itself prima facie evidence that she is, in fact, a lightweight ditz.
This is so stupid. Can we all just admit the obvious, that this person is not fit for the office she is running for, not even close? The explanations for why she is crashing and burning are such BS.
She's overcoached? They're holding her back too much? I can't believe those are supposed to be the reasons why this person can't issue a fully-formed opinion on any of the major issues of the day. But she sure as shit knows not to blink!
"This is so stupid. Can we all just admit the obvious, that this person is not fit for the office she is running for, not even close?"
Yes. I said that about the third day after she was picked.
I completely believe she is overcoached, but there's a reason the campaign decided she needed so much propping up.
"Airhead" and "overcoached" are not mutually exclusive.
So, anybody care to guess what the next gimmick McCain pulls will be?
Palin was the best pick. McCain would have lost the base with anyone else.VPs traditionally have no significant impact on the final vote so there is no real downside in chosing her.Her upside potential is still there as it is still a ways to the election. As long as partisan Dems call on her to be removed from the ticket you know she is still a threat.
The Republican base has shrunk so much since 2004 you can't win elections with it. Not even close.
Is Kathleen Parker a partisan Dem, SIV?
http://townhall.com/Columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem
I guess National Review is in the tank for the liberals, now.
When North Carolina is blue when you click "no toss ups" under the RCP electoral map, in addition to Virginia (at the end of September), you know the Republican is damn near FUBAR'd.
It'd be like having Connecticut and Oregon red.
I still think it was a good pick. The base is energized around her and many people identify with her when she appears incompetent and is criticized for it. Don't get me wrong "I like her because the liberals hate her" and "I feel sorry for her" are two stupid things to base your vote on, but there are a lot of stupid folks out there...
"I guess National Review is in the tank for the liberals, now."
BDB, didn't you know, Ann Coulter has pronounced those guys sissyboys.
Well, Ann Coulter. Now SHE would never be an elitist!
MNG, look at this:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
Sarah Palin's approve/disapprove numbers on pollingreport.com are worse than Michelle Obama's.
I'll echo the right wing pundits who think she has been seriously mishandled. The correct way to have used her was an initial rollout in friendly (partisan) outlets and small town swing state media markets where she would be covered as a feature story as much as a political one.
I don't see any danger in letting her roll on her own.Answer anything, just preface it as her own opinion rather than McCains when she is unsure.She probably had good general foreign policy answers before she was picked.
Any specifics could be met with references to having a lot to learn before January 20th and an enthusiasm for the study.
With regards to foreign policy, I think she's really a Buchaninite and has been force-fed the neotrotskyist "we are all Georgians" stuff that she doesn't believe, and that comes out in the interviews.
You can't win without the base either BDB.
I'd discount anything coming out of North Carolina right now. There is a serious motor fuel shortage going on (National news isn't showing how bad it is ) and one of the biggest "local" banks just went under.Economic turmoil will likely smooth out a bit before the election.
If it doesn't McCain is toast unless something bigger over shadows it.
Yeah Wachovia is based in Charlotte. That might be helping him. And if "hockey moms" like Palin similar low-info "basketball dads" in NC (and Indiana) probably like Obama.
I think he has Virginia damn near wrapped up. I'm shocked, but he has managed to do it. 28,000 people coming to see him in the rain in Fredericksburg (and Fredericksburg is not some leftist suburb of Washington, its a solidly Republican exurb).
He campaigned in Chester and go thousands out, another thing I've never seen before. Even state level Democrats hardly set foot in Chester.
While I'd never vote for Sarah Palin, I'd certainly jump at the chance to drink white rum in a Portugal bar with her.
Are you able to get gas, SIV?
I saw the Couric interview and didn't think it was that bad. What's all the fuss about?
You mean like they did 11 months ago through July? They're not going easy on Obama because they like him, they're going easy on him (to the extent that they are) because they expelled all their fresh ammo on him during the primaries.
Oh, spare me. There are huge gaps in his self-controlled biography, most glaringly around his relationship with such highly questionable Chicago notables as Mr. Rezko, Bill Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn, that the big media has simply refused to dig into. "Taking Obama's word for it" is not the same as "investigative journalism."
Still, like I said, if you have to complain about the refs, its not like you had a lock on the game anyway.
I have a sneaking suspicion, though, that the Barack Obama administration will be a living demonstration of the Peter Principle. That one promotion too many . . . .
Sarah Palin's approve/disapprove numbers on pollingreport.com are worse than Michelle Obama's.
Showing the wisdom of the Obama campaign in slapping a muzzle on her.
RC, thanks for not going WE WAZ ROBBED! At least that makes you better than 95% of the left when they lose.
There are huge gaps in his self-controlled biography, most glaringly around his relationship with such highly questionable Chicago notables as Mr. Rezko, Bill Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn, that the big media has simply refused to dig into.
They've dug into it plenty, they just haven't been able to find a smoking gun. But I guess you probably think the media never really looked into Whitewater either, the most over-exposed non-scandal ever.
(Note, before I start a firestorm, I have no opinion either way on whether the Clintons did anything wrong in the Whitewater case, I just mean that hundreds of people looked into every detail of it for years and were unable to dig up anything that tarred the Clintons electorally.)
From ATL:
I can get gas but you have to find an open station with gas (less than %10 of them), line up,wait, maneuver the chaos at the pumps, and hope they don't run out before you pump it.Only regular available so I have to buy a bottle of octane booster.Not as much trouble for me as I'm usually out of town in a rental or company vehicle. Unless you are running out of gas the main impact is psychological (Is this what it will be like now? or worse?). America is perceived as a land of abundance, higher prices are nothing compared to shortages (price is just under $4, I could stand that or worse indefinitely).
Media bias and Obama
http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2008/09/has-mccain-real.html
CMPA issued a report showing that 72 percent of the statements in TV news reports about Obama in late spring and early summer were negative, whereas 57 percent of the statements about McCain were negative. When Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly attacked Lichter's method during a radio interview, saying it would embolden liberal bias, Lichter responded, "You can take all my studies or none of my studies"-an allusion to past uses of his work to support conservative views.
The gas shortage is the fault of the federal government and those damn boutique fuel requirements as much as any disruptions at the gulf refineries.Almost nobody understands this.
We used to have the cheapest price in the region before the fuel mandates thanks to low taxes, pipeline proximity and local competition.
If not for the boutique fuel mandate the tank farms would have been full.
Re: the NC gas shortage. It has been bad here. My wife had to get to work this weekend so I wound up siphoning gas out of my truck, old CJ5, and lawnmower so she could get there and back. People waiting in line overnight at pumps.
So this surprised me:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/politics/story/219100.html
20,000 show up in Greensboro to hear Obama speak.
Lord knows no one showed up at our local cruise-in Saturday...
Anyone that doesn't vote for Barack Obama is racist.
SIV, I understand there was some irrational panic buying by morons that didn't help, either.
Shortages in capitalism are usually either caused by war, natural disaster, and self-infliction. I'm going with #2 and #3 here.
This is the first time I've ever seen gas lines in an American city. I guess Bush is the new Jimmy Carter.
I really hope it doesn't make it up I-80 to Virginia.
Er, I-85.
"Palin was the best pick. McCain would have lost the base with anyone else."
Can you explain then exactly who makes up "the base", what it is that they consider priorities for a nat'l candidate, and how Palin has satisfied their criteria.
Pro life, pro gun, pro defense, pro Israel, Evnagelical, and someone who the libs will really, REALLY hate!
I guess this isnt very PC to say: But no matter what, first and foremost, I'd love to her luscious lips wrapped around my 9.
Dear God the Dow in down 700 points!
It's showing -288 on CNN.
-513.97 2 minutes ago
Palin was the best pick. McCain would have lost the base with anyone else.
Would he have lost the base with Huckabee? Saying that he picked her to shore up the base ignores her most obvious requirement, her vagina. Someone with the exact same background and qualifications as Palin, but who had a penis, would not have been selected. She would not have been selected if Obama had chosen Hillary as his running mate.
I'm less sold on the idea that she *had* to be attractive, but it didn't hurt. I don't know, maybe there's some big anti-Huckabee sentiment out there among social conservatives, but I'm under the impression there isn't. Maybe he made anti-McCain statements during the primaries, but that's easily written off, and if that was a concern, then the McCain campaign is truly staffed by idiots.
But to go all in, the choice had to be (in this order):
1) A woman
2) A social conservative who could rally the base
3) Someone who's been in a campaign and won a large enough election (like a governorship) to have at least a minimal amount of electoral credibility.
It's pretty clear, to me at least, that they found someone who fit those criteria, and prayed she could be a functional running mate until November. Her scandal back in Alaska (whether you think there's anything there or not, it's forced them to waste resources), her complete ignorance of national issues (which may be fine for a governor of a small, very wealthy state), and inability to even recite talking points well without a script in front of her have basically overshadowed everything they thought she had going for her.
Ah. Bloomberg's showing -508.
Well it went back up I guess they think it will pass.
And... the Dow page on CNN is showing -673. Yikes.
I guess they weren't bullshitting when they said it would be 1929 if it didn't pass.
Why is Reason not liveblogging Black Monday?
Snark on, "libertarians." Palin is the closest thing to a libertarian on a major party ticket since 1964. Don't let your gynephobia or your love for the little paleoconservative from Texas to blind you to reality.
House rejects $700 billion financial bailout
Huh.
She probably had good general foreign policy answers before she was picked.
Like thinking Iraq is a mission from God. Excellent foreign policy strategist.
Things have just been way too classy around here today.
Sarah Palin Swimsuit Video from the 1984 Miss Alaska Pageant
Like thinking Iraq is a mission from God.
And zoltan fails the plastic turkey test!
Just like Bush never posed with a plastic turkey in Iraq, Sarah Palin never said that Iraq was a mission from God.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God"
About 3:50.
So you're right RC, Palin never said that Iraq was a mission from God, she that is was a task that is from God. My bad.
"Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said."
Yeah RC, that's COMPLETELY different! lol
RC,
I don't know about Zoltan's plastic turkey, but how's that crow taste?
MNG, the plastic turkey is delicious. Thanks, RC.
Oh, spare me. There are huge gaps in his self-controlled biography, most glaringly around his relationship with such highly questionable Chicago notables as Mr. Rezko, Bill Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn, that the big media has simply refused to dig into.
And, as someone noted above, the press spent months digging for hard evidence and found nothing. So, they could either do as you're advocating and run constant hearsay, or they could move on to other things. Palin's troubles, on the other hand, yield plenty of evidence when the media digs in even a little bit, making them much more newsworthy than Obama's questionable past. At least for a reputable news source.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said."
Actually, she said "Pray that..." yadda yadda yadda.
That's a rather significant difference.
"And, as someone noted above, the press spent months digging for hard evidence and found nothing. So, they could either do as you're advocating and run constant hearsay, or they could move on to other things."
Spoken like a true CRYPTO-MARXIST!
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan. So bless them with your prayers, your prayers of protection over our soldiers."
Maybe it's not as terrifying that she's just asking people to pray that killing others in Iraq is a task from God.
I consider myself a Marxist, I LOVE those fuckin' guys, especially Harpo!!
Me, too! But I don't remember any Crypto - was he the unfunny one?
The relevant full quote is, "Pray that... our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God." Big difference there. Anyone who misses it is either dense or disingenuous.
Sort of like someone saying "I really hope I'm doing the right thing" getting quoted as saying "I'm doing the right thing."
Are conservatives actually yelling for Mccain to let Palin of her leash? Are they sure they want to do that?
I know... if they really want to get Mccain to listen to them, then they should start to call it what it is = SEXISM, then they will create news to compell Mccain to listen. Mccain is keeping Palin under lock and key because Mccain believes that because she is a woman that she is incompetent.
Yeah, xyz, hoping that your sky fairy condones the deaths of millions of people is really comforting compared to just thinking he does in the first place.