The Eternal Return of Ron Paul


Unless the ex-candidate pulls his name off the ballot, Louisiana voters will have the chance to vote for Ron Paul in November. A group of Paul supporters have formed the Louisiana Taxpayers Party and placed a Ron Paul/Barry Goldwater, Jr. ticket in front of voters. Due to scheduling and bureaucratic mishaps related to Hurricane Gustav, Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root might not make the ballot, so for Trent Hill and his fellow LATaxpayers are running the libertarian show in Louisiana.

I quizzed Hill about the effort over e-mail.

reason: When did you start laying the groundwork for this?

Trent Hill: In Louisiana, no signatures are required to access the ballot. All that is required here in Louisiana is 9 notarized elector forms (1 from each Congressional District and 2 at-large) and a $500 filing fee. Although we asked Lew Rockwell to be the VP choice, we never really expected him to say yes, as we were quite familiar with his opposition to involvement in electoral politics. It was meant as a gesture of respect, mostly, though we certainly would have loved to have him. Considerations for Vice Presidential candidates was mostly limited to: Barry Goldwater Jr., former Governor Gary Johnson, or Chuck Baldwin. We first started to contact and fill out elector forms on Monday, August 25th. We had until September 2nd, giving us 8 short days (though Hurricane Gustav would later change this).

reason: Did you consider supporting one of the candidates who's still in the race?

Hill: Sure, we all did. Everyone involved in this effort had previously been supportive of another candidate. I personally was involved with the Chuck Baldwin for President campaign–which I still support. Chuck Baldwin is a great candidate, a friend of Ron Paul's, and had the support of the "libertarian wing" of the Constitution Party. Nothing turned me off to Baldwin, I am still very supportive of him and hope he does well here in Louisiana and nationwide. With all of that said—I think even Chuck Baldwin would vote for Ron Paul over himself.

reason: Have you had any contact with anyone in Paul's campaign?

Hill: I have specifically avoided all contact with Ron Paul. He has neither encouraged nor discouraged this idea–and I never gave him the opportunity too. Like most events sourrounding Ron Paul, this was a grassroots effort that was completely out of his control. We have recieved confirmation from several Ron Paul staffers that Ron Paul will not have his name removed from the ballot, so we are relieved to get that news. At the onset of this effort, we were fairly confident that Ron Paul would not sue to have his name removed from the ballot–we were far more concerned about the VP choice, and wether he or she might remove their name. Former Rep. Barry Goldwater Jr. was asked by one of our members at the Rally for the Republic is he would accept the VP spot and he was very happy about the effort and even suggested he might come to Louisiana to do some fundraising events or rallies.

reason: Was the presidential caucus held this year unfair?

Hill: I am not one of these paranoid Ron Paul supporters who thinks we actually won the entire election, but our votes were tossed out or disposed of by the evil "Diebold Corporation". But yes, the Louisiana Caucus was extremely unfair to the Ron Paul campaign. I am located in Baton Rouge, District 6, where most of the controversy was centered. On the night of the caucus, I stayed late with the campaign officials to watch the ballot counting–amongst other things. The Republican Party of Louisiana had used an outdated voter registration list which had caused some 600-odd caucus-goers to vote "provisionally", and we wanted to be sure that those votes were counted fairly, and they were. I was a candidate for delegate in District 6 and had re-registered Republican only 3-4 days before the deadline, along with my wife. Although I was a candidate for delegate, certified by the Republican Party, I had to cast a provisional vote–as did my wife.

When I left the caucus, around midnight, I was told by our state director (Andrew Axsom) and the Southern Regional Director (Matt Chancey) that we were ahead in every district in the state. Two days later, all provisional votes had been removed and we captured only about 1/4th of the delegates.

reason: Do you want Paul or Goldwater to run in 2012?

Hill: I would like to see Ron Paul run again in 2012, but I do not think that is going to happen. He is an aging man and lightning would not likely strike again if he ran for President.

One of my main goals in putting Ron Paul/Barry Goldwater Jr. on the ballot in Louisiana is to help encourage Barry Goldwater Jr. to run for President in 2012. I believe his record on the issues, name recognition amongst Republicans, and respect amongst Ron Paul-voters would lead to an effective, inspiring, and combative run for the Republican nomination. It is my sincere wish that he will consider it.

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  1. Barry Goldwater Jr. to run for President in 2012

    Now that I’d like to see.

  2. New nickname for Ron Paul: The Man With the Eternal Fan Base.

  3. the “libertarian wing” of the Constitution Party

    Bloody splitters.

    – the “Constitution wing” of the Libertarian Party.

  4. Why is Ron Paul endorsing Dan Young? The guy is a criminal and represents all of the worst elements of Congress and all of the things that Paul alledgedly is against.

  5. “Representative Young came and asked Dr. Paul for a whole lot of stuff,” said Jesse Benton, spokesman for Paul’s Liberty PAC. “He respectfully declined.”

    That’s why there was no commercial with Ron Paul asking his followers in Alaska to give Young an 18th term. “Dr. Paul said some nice things but it shouldn’t be taken as an endorsement,” Benton said.

  6. If “lightening” strikes, does it hurt?

  7. Why are we even discussing this irrelevant crap when the sex/ethics scandal in the Dept. of the Interior is breaking wide open?

    Government exploits the tragedy of the commons while claiming to prevent it. Why aren’t the tree-huggers griping about the comlicity of the state in the rape of the environment. In the race to the bottom, government is clearly in the lead.

    Meanwhile, from Reason, nothing.

  8. What sort of person finds Ron Paul interesting? I’m pretty sure I could market his speeches on the gold standard as a sleeping aid. The mainstream media couldn’t stay focused on him long enough to delve into the racist newsletter revelation, which might have been interesting. I mean, the man induces yawns just by looking into the camera. Who on earth could make up his base?

  9. Soooo… Ron Paul refuses to pursue the LP nomination and probable 49-50 state ballot access he could have had handed to him on a silver platter, and yet does not object to being arbitrarily “placed on the ballot” by a few kool-aid drinkers in Louisiana and Montana…

    Please explain…?

    What a massive clusterfuck 2008 is becoming for the L/libertarians…

    (see also: Boston Tea Party, George Phillies, anti-Barr petitions)

  10. ( … and now: Paulites for Nader… jesus. )

  11. svf,

    Just like the newsletter BS, and the donation from a known racist, he does not have the responsibility to object to reject the support of some of the idiots who support him. Isn’t okay if he just doesn’t care? It’s an unspoken thank you for the money and/or publicity and that’s it. Why does he have to denounce every supporter of his who he doesn’t agree with ideologically?

    What a tool you are.

    And the reason why he doesn’t want to run nth party (n>2) is because he wants to try to work within the party. It may not get him the most votes or a nomination, but that’s how he wants to do it. He has the right to do it however he wants.

  12. The “militant wing” of the salvation army

  13. I think you could say 2008 will be a massive clusterfuck for the l/libertarians too no matter what Radley Balko thinks of Sarah Palin.

  14. And the reason why he doesn’t want to run nth party (n>2) is because he wants to try to work within the party.

    … and yet he allows himself to be placed on the presidential ballot as a Constitution Party candidate in MT and the Taxpayer’s Whatever Party candidate in LA.

    Sure he has the right to do whatever he wants, but this is a slap in the face to everyone who wanted him to pursue a REAL 3rd party presidential campaign.

    If he’s opposed to continuing his presidential run in principle, he should respectfully request removal from these ballots. I would think at least this would override his “don’t interfere with the actions of others” ethic.

  15. Why does he have to care? Did he have to sign papers to be placed on the ballot in MT? Otherwise, he didn’t directly condone it, so why would need to directly denounce it? If he had to denounce every stupid thing one of his followers did, he would have no time for actual work or time with his family.

    I would think at least this would override his “don’t interfere with the actions of others” ethic.

    So, he would need to “interfere with the actions of others” in order for them not to “interfere with the actions of the other”, “valid” candidates. Do you see what I mean?

  16. I had a part to play in putting this ticket together.
    In the months leading up to now, people in the Ron Paul movement in Louisiana were talking about writing in Ron Paul as their vote.
    I explained that voting like that wouldn’t count, they would need a slate of electors to vote on…
    Now that discussion didn’t lead to the ultimate decisions behind the ticket, but it does offer those people a legit way to “write-in” ron paul.

    Besides, the candidate I want is the truly reluctant candidate. People wanted to vote for Ron Paul. We gave them that option.

    Who here is against denying people their choice in voting?

    Obviously, some of the people who posted before this one…

  17. nonPaulogist | September 11, 2008, 4:59pm | #

    Libertarians expect nonsense like this from the government and know it will continue with a different party holding the presidency.

    Here’s the NYT link folks.

  18. Given the self-emulation of Bob Barr this week, we should be grateful to the Louisiana Taxpayers Party. At least Bayou Staters will have a credible libertarian choice on their ballot.

  19. a culture of substance abuse and promiscuity

    I haven’t RTFR, but why the fuck does this get singled out on the Times. Do i really give a shit whether some bureaucrat likes to get high or fuck around?

  20. you better believe it folks, the paul-o-holics will not stop!! LET FREEDOM RING!!!

    i know some of the big government worshipping slaves that posted earlier dislike this, envious of the freedom that pauloholics dare to express. silly kids. we love you anyway, in spite of your ignorance.

    though with fannie, freddie, and mcbama, our fate is virtually sealed, we’ll be royally screwed. dump your dollars, the greenback is going to kick it bear stearns style over the next four years.

  21. though with fannie, freddie, and mcbama, our fate is virtually sealed, we’ll be royally screwed. dump your dollars, the greenback is going to kick it bear stearns style over the next four years.

    Riiight. Only this retarded article of faith could come from a Paultard. The dollar is continually rising against both the pound and the euro. Right now, today, the dollar is at its best against the pound since early 2006 and is rapidly approaching 2003 levels, or about 1.5 dollars per pound.

    Ditto the euro, with some shifts in the numbers.

    So stuff it.

  22. ok, let the fun begin…

    Ron Paul wants off Montana ballot
    Republican Ron Paul doesn’t want to be on the presidential ballot in Montana, and says his name was put under the Constitution Party banner without his permission.
    But Brad Johnson the Montana secretary of state says it looks like Paul’s name will have to remain on the ballot anyway.
    The Montana Constitution Party put Paul’s name on the ballot earlier this week. Paul supporters said at the time that they thought they had Paul’s permission to do so.
    But Paul, who lost a bid for the GOP presidential nomination earlier this year, says in a letter to election officials that he never wanted to be on the ballot. He says the national Constitution
    Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin, should be on the ballot instead.
    Johnson says it doesn’t look like there are provision in the law for removing Paul’s name from the ballot.

    Louisiana, you’ll be next…


    Paul gives his “seal of approval” to all 4 third party candidates (including Barr and Baldwin). Also he looks like he’s saying “suck it” in this picture.

  24. svf,

    I don’t really think that has any bearing on what they are doing in Louisiana. The Montanta people put Paul on the Constitution Party ticket, replacing Chuck Baldwin. Baldwin campaigned quite a lot for Paul this past year and they seem to be on pretty friendly terms, so my guess is that letter was sent because Baldwin objected to Paul. In Louisiana they didn’t step on anybody’s toes.

    The thing that really scares me about the Louisiana people is how sane they sounded in the interview and then they hit you with the Barry Goldwater Jr. thing at the end. They want him to come to Louisiana and tell his naked girls and alligator joke again? How can you cite Paul’s age as a reason he won’t run and then champion a guy by all appearances is batshit senile already?

  25. How can you cite Paul’s age as a reason he won’t run and then champion a guy by all appearances is batshit senile already?

    indeed… if BG Jr. is our next best shot, we’re all fucked….

  26. I’m sure Barry Goldwater, Jr. is a nice guy, but he really has much the same flaw his father had- he comes off as a stark raving mad lunatic. And he doesn’t really have the benefit of his father’s rhetorical skill to counterbalance it.

    See: that rambling, incoherent, inexplicable “joke” about naked women swimming in a pond he inserted into the middle of his introduction for Ron Paul in Minneapolis.

    Though he’s not very well known, I like Mike Munger, the current Libertarian candidate for Governor of NC, for the LP in 2012. He seems to really get that “LP as a vehicle for a broad libertarian coalition” idea that many people tried to sell Barr with but which turned out to be, essentially, a lie. Perhaps more importantly, he’s a long-time Libertarian who doesn’t have that inescapable taint of insanity that seems to overwhelm most people who spend any length of time in the LP. His prominent academic position (he’s chair of Duke’s Pol Sci department) is probably the main reason for that. He actually engages with people who disagree with him on a regular basis in an academic setting, which is a noticeable shift from the preaching-to-the-choir echo chamber that defines third party politics.

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