The Knives of Brixton

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Reader Val sends along this story, which is currently dominating news cycles in both England and France, of two French students in murdered in London, who were bound, stabbed 240 times, and set alight. A man confessed to the killing today, though his motive remains unclear.

The problem of knife violence in the UK is "so serious," according to the Globe and Mail, "that the Metropolitan Police, Britain's major police force, told officers this week that their top priority had shifted from Islamic terrorism to knife crimes."

A few years back, researchers writing in the British Medical Journal called for a ban on kitchen knives, after the team "consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen." Watch for the reintroduction of such suggestions, especially since, according to the Times, "Every initiative [taken by the police] has failed to stop the stabbings in the capital." And as the Globe and Mail reminds readers, the police are already "authorized to stop young people without cause and search them for weapons, and such searches have become commonplace in London."

But despite the breathless reporting of the British tabloid press, the paper notes that, overall, knife crime—and violent crime in general—is actually on the decline:

In some respects, Britain's knife terror is a fear without an underlying story: The number of knife crimes in Britain has not actually increased, even if this year's London stabbings are included, and violent crime across the country and in London is at its lowest level in two decades; in fact, violent crime rates dropped by another 9 per cent last year. On the whole, the country remains far safer than North America.

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  1. Of course the US is vurtually free of knife violence. Something about that old saying about bringing a knife to a gunfight.

  2. I’m surprised there isn’t more umbrella violence in Britain.

  3. First they banned guns, because guns kill people. Then they banned swords, because swords kill people. Now, it turns out, the formerly peaceful and law-abiding knives have turned rogue. Perhaps they should convene a governmental panel to get to the bottom of this unexpected development.

    British headline in five years — “Hoodlums with hand-sharpened butter knives terrorize capitol!”

  4. The setting the bodies alight is telling. Now that they banned smoking, there is probably an oversupply of Zippo fluid, which leads to this sort of mischief.

  5. In other words, the media is looking for a story and is manufacturing one. Shocking….shocking.

  6. “Hoodlums with hand-sharpened butter knives terrorize capitol!”

    You don’t need to sharpen them to force the surrender of france.

  7. Criminals are using knives. Clearly the answer is to take knives out of the hands of law abiding people. I would suspect that the number of knive driven crimes is the result of criminals knowing that their victims are unlikly to have a gun. Why rob someone with a gun and risk getting a murder rap when you can rob them with a knive just as easily?

    No doubt England will ban kitchean knives and steak knives the same day they issue everyone carbon ration cards. Merry old England is long down the road towards being a facist police state.

  8. Isn’t Scotland now the most violent region in the developed world or something?

  9. I’ve sometimes suggested (to people who want to ban guns) that we should also ban kitchen knives since they’re sometimes used to murder people. I had no idea someone had seriously suggested it. Satire is getting harder and harder to pull off as reality gets nuttier and nuttier.

  10. On the whole, the country remains far safer than North America.

    Seems unlikely

    A quick Google didn’t cough up more recent data.

  11. On the whole, the country remains far safer than North America

    Uhh…is this true? I remember reading and seeing violent crime stats that had Britain way higher than the US. Does the inclusion of Canada increase our violent crime stats? I wouldn’t think so, but those Canucks are pretty sneaky.

  12. Isn’t Scotland now the most violent region in the developed world or something?

    They would not be if they were free!

    ITALIANS FOR AN INDEPENDANT SCOTLAND UNITE!

  13. Maybe they’re including Mexico and Central America in North America. They are part of North America, you know.

  14. I’ve been waiting 15 minutes now for a banana reference. Guess I’ll have to do it myself.

    Sigh.

    *grumbles about how hard it is to find good help these days*

  15. Uhh…is this true? I remember reading and seeing violent crime stats that had Britain way higher than the US. Does the inclusion of Canada increase our violent crime stats? I wouldn’t think so, but those Canucks are pretty sneaky.

    If they are talking about real North America then that goes from the Artic to the southern border of Panama and would probably be right.

  16. Sure, violence is down if you count that as two knife-related crimes rather than 240 stabbings. We see how you’re cooking the books there.

  17. NW beat me to it.

  18. Maybe they’re including Mexico and Central America in North America. They are part of North America, you know.

    That would be an absurd and extremely sneaky distortion if true.

  19. That would be an absurd and extremely sneaky distortion if true.

    Yeah, I mean it’s well-known how Mexico properly disposes of its emo-kids, whereas we up here in the colder climes are too soft to do what is necessary.

  20. Except for murder and rape, it admitted, “Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes.”

    And according to some the statistics on rape are skewed by the fact that rape is far more likely to be reported in the US.

  21. Indeed, why would they compare statistics of one country to statistics for a continent? It seems only fair that they should include crime stats from southern and eastern Europe.

  22. Given the insane ballooning of British government, can we expect it to revert to third-world nation status in the next 50 years?

  23. The US has a murder problem, but it is a murder problem that is confined to a few inner city areas. If you don’t live in one of those areas, you are much safer in the US than you are in the UK. The UK has many more things like hot break ins to homes, muggings, robberies and assault and the like. Having spent a good bit of time in both places, I would much rather take my chances in New York than London. In New York, you are perfectly safe as long as you stay on the right side of the tracks. In London you are in danger of being robbed or assaulted no matter where you are.

  24. Love that Orwellian bit at the end. Safer than North America huh?

    Not safer than the US? Have to central American in there to get the crime rates up eh?

  25. Ooops. Repeating the obvious (and repeating it badly) is what I get for skipping the comments.

  26. Except for murder and rape, it admitted, “Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes.”

    And according to some the statistics on rape are skewed by the fact that rape is far more likely to be reported in the US.

    I’d rather be mugged twice than murdered or raped once, but that’s just me.

    That’s like reading a comparison of two sports teams saying team A is better in a bunch of categories and then seeing a line like, “Except for points scored and points allowed, Team A is superior to Team B in all statistical categories”.

  27. Indeed, why would they compare statistics of one country to statistics for a continent? It seems only fair that they should include crime stats from southern and eastern Europe.

    How about comparing land masses? EurAsiaAfrica vs the Americas vs. Austrailia vs Antartica?

    No, Greenland does NOT count.

  28. those Canucks are pretty sneaky

    We are building the wall on the wrong border.

  29. According to the Wikipedia List of countries by homicide rate, the Central America distortion may be in play.

  30. John,

    NY is the safest big city in the US. The question is, would you rather take your chances DC (or Baltimore or Detroit) or London?

  31. Mo,

    Detroit still supports John’s point. I live there and it’s relatively easy to avoid danger. Everyone here knows the bad parts and there’s no reason to go to those areas anyway. (Just watch, tonight I’ll get stabbed)

  32. Mo,

    I’m not saying anything about London though. I’ve never been there. Just that Detroit is not all like robocop.

  33. According to the Wikipedia List of countries by homicide rate, the Central America distortion may be in play.

    [raving Leftie college student voice]

    The only distortion is from your white bigotry against people of color resulting in your unfair weighing of their ‘brown collar’ crime rate and ignoring your white-collar crimes that oppressed peoples can not commit! Enron was a more violent crime against the world than all of the rapes in Mexico City! You rape the land and it goes unreported. You rape the whole planet!

    Die whitie Die! The only way to save yourself is through peace, pacivism and F@$)(# TRANQUILITY YOU FASCIST RACIST MONSTER!

    [slings Free Tibet book bag, made in China, with SPF 45 sunblock in outer pocket, over sholder and cracks self in head yanking out small prttion of blond dreadlocks]

  34. John,

    But in London, after you are mugged, you can log on to CTV and track your mugger back to his house, watch him fix dinner for his family of 4 (plus a dog), make love to his wife/girlfriend and then be ready to mug him back when he emerges from his abode.

  35. “John,

    NY is the safest big city in the US. The question is, would you rather take your chances DC (or Baltimore or Detroit) or London?”

    I live in DC and I would still take DC. But, DC may be more dangerous than I think. It is certainly safe in the suburbs where I live, but District itself is totally disfunctional and some pretty nasty violent crime happens even in the good areas on the Northwest. One of the writers for TNR was recently robbed and shot four times in Clevland Park, which is one of the highest end neighborhoods in the city.

    Of course DC is more like London than it is like the rest of the country. It has draconian gun control and judges and juries who rountinely refuse to send criminals to prison.

  36. Just that Detroit is not all like robocop.

    Neither is DC. Just the part directly across the river from me.

    However, the rest of it is like Willard’s basement.

  37. John,

    One of the writers for TNR was recently robbed and shot four times in Clevland Park, which is one of the highest end neighborhoods in the city.

    Was that the guy Dave Weigel posted about the other day or some other person? Did not find anything when I tried to Google it.

  38. These graphs from the International Crime Victims Survey suggest that the US has less crime than England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland, but I really don’t know how much these results bear on violent crime.

    (Oddly, according to the Wikipedia link in my previous post, Spain has the highest murder rate in Western Europe, but according to these charts has the lowest victim rate.)

  39. Guy,

    It was in Megan McCardle’s blog. That is where I found out about it. They have his name and position in the comments.

    http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/crime_doesnt_pay_1.php

  40. I don’t buy the assumption that England has more violent crime than the US.

    Here is the quickest reference I could find.

    Note that on the ranking, lower = better.

    UK = 49
    US = 97

    Now they are using a composite “violence” scale that makes some odd assumptions, but comparisons between countries are very difficult.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/20/peace.index.ap/index.html

    I would need something more than John’s anecdote or an old Reason article to buy the premise that the US is less violent than England…any body got any reasonable figures?

  41. Guy,

    Thanks for that imagery. I could almost smell the patchouli.

  42. Hmmmm . . . New Orleans, D.C., and Detroit seem to have a lot more in common than I thought.

  43. Chuck, I came here to make sure someone had made that reference, solid work.

  44. Rimfax,

    So it’s just the same small set of people getting murdered over and over again? Dumbasses. Maybe you get murdered once or twice and it’s not your fault, but five or six times and it’s definitely something you’re doing.

    (But, on a serious note, the disparity seems to indicate that a high percentage of the murders are by locals against tourists. More Spanish murders, less Spanish victims.)

  45. Am I missing something or wouldn’t those French students be just as dead if they had been tied up and set on fire? Tied up, smothered to death, and set on fire? Tied up, bludgeoned to death, and set on fire?

  46. Neu Mejican,

    What did you think of the Victims Survey that I posted a few minutes ago? This is not a set up, I’m just curious.

  47. A few years back, researchers writing in the British Medical Journal called for a ban on kitchen knives, after the team “consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.”

    If this kind of thing doesn’t bring any rational person to tears, then there’s some serious re-evaluatin’ we need to do as a society.

  48. By Jove, Holmes! How did you know it was a champagne bottle?

    HOLMES: Elementary, my dear Watson. Every other sort of weapon is banned.

  49. I seem to have cross posted with some numbers from Rimfax, which seems to indicate, for murder at least, that the UK broadly, or England/Wales in particular have less than half the rate compared to the US.

    Less than half seems like the comparison needs to be done on a city by city level…New York safer than London or Glasgow I might buy.

  50. L_I_T,

    That post cracked me up hard.

  51. A few years back, researchers writing in the British Medical Journal called for a ban on kitchen knives, after the team “consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.”

    So, my Buckmaster survival knife is safe, but those steel thingies in that wooden block on my countertop need to be turned in?

    Well, okay, but only if they are doing the $100/knife deal just like the zipgun guys get.

  52. “You could probably beat someone to death with the Sunday New York Times.”
    — George Carlin

  53. Rimfax,

    Regarding the victims survey, I would need to look at the 10 crimes that are included and their methods…which I haven’t done. I do find comparing cities more meaningful (as I just posted).

    The problem seems to be that each locality has a different definition of each crime category, no?

  54. In some respects, Britain’s knife terror is a fear without an underlying story:

    Even here, the media gets it wrong. Shouldn’t this be “In all respects, Britain’s knife terror is a fear with an underlying story?”

  55. Isn’t Scotland now the most violent region in the developed world or something?

    This Detroit resident bets not.

  56. Knife ownership is, of course, a collective right.

    Keeping and bearing knives should only be allowed to registered members of the well-regulated militia.

  57. ….Die whitie Die! The only way to save yourself is through peace, pacivism and F@$)(# TRANQUILITY YOU FASCIST RACIST MONSTER!

    Damn, for a second there I thought joe was on the thread.

  58. “You could probably beat someone to death with the Sunday New York Times.”
    — George Carlin

    That is probably why the Soviets only used a telephone book on Sean Penn in Falcon and the Snowman.

  59. SugarFree,

    Since murder is typically a minuscule fraction of overall crime, there’s no mathematical challenge to having a high murder rate and low overall crime rate. It would just suggest either that foreigners were being disproportionately murdered or that simply a disproportionate number of crimes involved murder.

    Criminologists like John “Mary Rosh” Lott aver that different policing and sentencing practices can affect things like whether or not criminals will risk committing murder in the violation of other crimes. Personally, a la David Kopel, I’d look for a cultural reason first.

  60. OM,

    LOL! Sorry, I do not model my voices after him. I try to tone it down into believability range.

  61. The reason I threw out DC, Baltimore and Detroit is because they have homicide rates between 35-40 per 100k. NYC has 6.6.

  62. It would just suggest either that foreigners were being disproportionately murdered or that simply a disproportionate number of crimes involved murder.

    But without borders there would be no foreigners.

    Would that be safer or more risky?

  63. http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/WCTS/trc000927.pdf

    This a bit old and doesn’t contain the UK for some reason. But it makes for interesting reading. It lists crimes per 100,000 people per year. The US is listed in 1995 as having 5375 per 100,000 people. Canada is listed as over 9,000. France and Denmark are also much higher than the US.

  64. Rimfax,

    I though your point was that Spain had a lot of murderers but not many murder victims. Reading comprehension failing.

  65. Neu Mejican,

    The problem seems to be that each locality has a different definition of each crime category, no?

    Very much so. Not only are the crime categories different, but the threshold for defining when the event qualifies as a crime is different. I still think that attempts to compare crime rates between countries is a worthwhile exercise, if only to illustrate how horribly problematic it is. The same difficulty is seen in health statistics like infant mortality.

  66. SugarFree,

    I though your point was that Spain had a lot of murderers but not many murder victims.

    Maybe in Spain the murder victims had to file charges in person….

  67. The murders in Spain occur mainly on the plain.

  68. Oh! Oh! I got it! Knives which have “no valid cooking purpose!”

    Do I win the thread?

  69. i think he’s got it!

  70. Epi, I meant.

  71. Dey can take nife, but me can make club any time me like

  72. Soon only plastic sporks and plastic butterknives will be legal for cutlery.

  73. Toothbrushes and turkey leg bones make fine shivs. Let’s ban oral hygiene and Thanksgiving.

  74. Epi, I meant.

    No respect, I tell ya.

  75. “Let’s ban oral hygiene and Thanksgiving”

    Judging from their teeth, I would say England is already half way there.

  76. BURN!

  77. Not that he’s a neutral source, either – but if the tales from Theodore Dalrymple’s column in City Journal are not entirely out of whole cloth, those crime numbers for the UK are probably even more complete fantasies than your average government statistic.

    What I know from experience and tales from reliably friends, other claims about modern Britain he makes pan out completely – British tourists are the worst drunk yobs and hooligans you could imagine, the British economy is a house of cards built on personal debt, and the education of young Brits is abysmal – so why shouldn’t his statements on crime be true?

    New Labour “Cool Britain” is a pretty degenerate, debased country on a number of axes from what I can see…so the explosion of violence is not that surprising.

    Who woulda thunk that cultural relativism and the welfare state would ruin a society on many levels?

  78. For those of you keeping score at home, that’s John with the threadwinning comment and SugarFree with the assist….

  79. Forgot the link: Theodore Dalrymple in City Journal.

    Take it with a grain of salt, but it makes for fascinating reading. A highly educated conservative talking about his first-hand experience with a decivilized underclass.

  80. bernd,

    If we’re seeing drunk British yobs as tourists, does that mean that they are doing well enough financially to visit other countries or that British welfare covers airfare? Sorry, but I’ve seen the text of most of your comment before, but with the words “American”, “Canadian”, “French”, and “German” substituted for “British”.

  81. LOL! Sorry, I do not model my voices after him. I try to tone it down into believability range.

    I should point out that Other Matt is a bigoted asshole f’real.

    John,
    Wouldn’t that make England all the way there?

  82. Congratulations, Art, you are now a self-hating white person.

    You see, that’s the only possible reason anyone could consider Other Matt a racist asshole.

    So…wanna listen to some Alice in Chains?

  83. I think Art’s black, if memory serves.

  84. …Which, joe, makes you a presumptuous cock, which isn’t unprecedented.

  85. Relax, Nigel, I think joe’s pulling my chain. Or Other Matt’s chain.

  86. And according to some the statistics on rape are skewed by the fact that rape is far more likely to be reported in the US.

    And of the ones that do get reported, few are investigated properly or prosecuted. Not only that but getting a rape conviction in the UK is damn hard (the have a paltry 5.7% conviction rate). I just read a news report the other day talking about how in the UK rapes aren’t even investigated that thoroughly.

    The WAPO article linked below talks about a woman who reported her 15 year old being raped, and told them who the rapist was and where he lived, and after 3 months the cops still hadn’t talked to him.

    From one of the linked articles:

    Solicitor General Vera Baird, who oversees criminal prosecutions in England, estimated that 10 to 20 percent of rapes are brought to authorities’ attention. According to government figures, 14,000 cases a year are reported and 19 out of 20 defendants walk free.

    ….

    Even some cases that do end in a guilty verdict stir outrage. Last year, a judge sentenced a 24-year-old man to two years in prison for having sex with a 10-year-old after concluding that the girl had “dressed provocatively.”

    Check out more info on this here:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/28/AR2008052803583_pf.html

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20070131/ai_n17162542

  87. Relax, Nigel, I think joe’s pulling my chain. Or Other Matt’s chain.

    Damnit, writing all these government-required documents is eliminating my sense of humor again.

  88. Even some cases that do end in a guilty verdict stir outrage. Last year, a judge sentenced a 24-year-old man to two years in prison for having sex with a 10-year-old after concluding that the girl had “dressed provocatively.”

    …There are no words.

  89. No big deal, N W.

  90. I mean, the case is a big deal (WTF?). I just meant your missing joe’s joke wasn’t.

  91. “Solicitor General Vera Baird, who oversees criminal prosecutions in England, estimated that 10 to 20 percent of rapes are brought to authorities’ attention. According to government figures, 14,000 cases a year are reported and 19 out of 20 defendants walk free.”

    If it wasn’t for the story about the 10 year old below, that would be the most disturbing thing I have read all day.

    I keep hearing anicdote after anicdote about the complete collapse of the British justice system. Whether it be friends I have who live there or Theodore Dahlrymple, the message is always the same. Yes, those are anicdotes and not hard statistics but at some point the anicdotes become too numerous and compelling to ignore.

  92. I keep hearing anicdote after anicdote about the complete collapse of the British justice system. Whether it be friends I have who live there or Theodore Dahlrymple, the message is always the same. Yes, those are anicdotes and not hard statistics but at some point the anicdotes become too numerous and compelling to ignore.

    The Brits deserve exactly the government that they get.

    I was talking to a British fellow who now lives here and works in investment banking about 6 months ago. We were talking about some of the differences between the US and the UK and I brought up the Brazilian guy who was shot at point blank range on the subway in London, and the guy basically said :

    It’s his own fault. He should never had ran — Running from the police justified the shooting. Innocent people don’t run.

    When I told him that the police never identified themselves as police and he wouldn’t have known what the menacing looking men approaching him were up to — maybe he was afraid of getting accosted or mugged, he re-iterated that it doesn’t matter that they didn’t identify themselves. He should never have ran. He should have waited to see what their intentions were.

    There is something wrong with the Brits. Something definitely wrong

  93. CT, your post is actually slightly more menacing because of the lack of a period at the end.

  94. I should point out that Other Matt is a bigoted asshole f’real.

    Actually, Art, that’s honestly not the case. I just have no tolerance for self hating presumptuous fuckwtitted idiots, regardless of color.

    Check that, I can be an asshole for real if I want to be, I guess that’s true, but “bigoted” doesn’t apply unless you count me as predjudiced against the previously mentioned fuckwitted idiots.

  95. Hey, the first step is considering you might have a problem. The language I saw you use was pretty much identical to the language used by the most retrograde racial thinkers I knew growing up.

  96. I’ve had the “privilege” of hearing black people and white people (who were frankly pretty unenlightened racially) use almost the exact same sort of language.

  97. Rimfax: Air fare in Europe is ridiculously cheap and a well-played European welfare system *does* pay quite well, especially if you include all the time you have to pursue the shadow economy and a criminal career. I’m not quite sure what your point is in the first place: Exporting violent drunks is a wonderful sign of a great economy or … huh?

    I can’t remember ragging on Canadians, although now that I’ve lived here for a while, I should probably start: things like the HRCs are a travesty, but e.g. that Marc Emery walked free was rather cool.

    Regarding Americans, I only remember going after the general level of education and regard for it – especially among men where everybody who reads seems to be a “fag” to wide strata of the population. I dare you to prove me wrong. Also, the whole “global jurisdiction torture empire” thing.

    As for the French, they have a huge problems with the immigrants in the cit?s & banlieues around the major cities, and you yourself may remember that a few cars tend to get torched there occasionally. The French themselves aren’t so bad if you discount their elites, and I don’t remember ragging on them as “uncultured” either. Most hold utterly idiotic economic opinions, but so what. It’s Europe. When Austria held a (mostly symbolic) referendum on the welfare state as such, 99% were for it.

    The Germans, well, I’m Austrian. It’s pretty much what we do, much like Canadians rag on the US. Not that they’re not really screwed up, with the same limp-wristed stance on Islamic violence (both Islamist terror and “honor killings”) and resurgent neo-Nazis, and their economic ideas which are only surpassed by the French and Scandinavians in their idiocy.

    So, yeah, I tend to talk about everybody’s weaknesses (And why praise people just for keeping their shit together? To channel Chris Rock: “You’re not supposed to go to jail!”).

    It’s just that with the British lately, I’d run out of topics pretty soon if I couldn’t talk about the weaknesses; that’s not quite so with other countries. Oh yeah, I like the Fabric club in London, and I admire the Queen’s stiff upper lip, after all the shit she’s seen.

  98. When I told him that the police never identified themselves as police and he wouldn’t have known what the menacing looking men approaching him were up to — maybe he was afraid of getting accosted or mugged, he re-iterated that it doesn’t matter that they didn’t identify themselves. He should never have ran. He should have waited to see what their intentions were.

    Dude, there are a lot of Americans like that. Look at the relative lack of outrage in the Diallo case outside of black activists. Shit, look at the weekly Radley Balko outrage.

  99. America has a higher crime rate for two reasons. Blacks and Mexicans. Crime rates for different groups are just as consistent as IQ test scores. No matter where you look, South Africa, Latin America, US, Canada, Carriban, Australia, Europe, it’s the same pattern. White & Yellows = good. Blacks & browns = bad.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1593680287/reasonmagazinea-20/

    This has been Captain Obvious. Now back to fantasy land where not letting in enough immigrants is the problem.

  100. Thanks for the superficiality, Captain Oblivious!

  101. I’d rather be mugged twice than murdered or raped once, but that’s just me.

    Mo, if the speculation about misreporting of rapes is correct* one’s chances of being raped in the US are probably lower than almost anywhere. And as others have pointed out the distributions of murders in the US are such that most communities are as safe as just about anywhere in the world.

    *and ample anecdotal evidence exists that British and European attitudes to rape are about where the US was in 1965.

  102. Captain Obvious (Grand Chalupa)?

    Some reading on the Bell Curve

    http://www.powells.com/biblio?PID=27627&cgi=product&isbn=0-387-94986-0

    http://goinside.com/98/3/postmod.html

    http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/520.html

    What is obvious is often wrong.
    What is obvious to one person is often the result of predetermined bias.
    What is obvious is often unexamined error.

    These reading should get you started on a road to a more informed opinion.

    Also, you should look at the work by Flynn.
    His new book

    http://www.powells.com/biblio/978-0-521-88007-7?&PID=27627

  103. They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

    None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

    The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault – but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

    Kitchen knives can inflict appalling wounds

    In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like “cutting into a ripe melon”.

    Isn’t that an admission that such knives are useful for cutting into melons?

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