My New Favorite Obama Rumor

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It's that the Man from Hawaii's birth certificate, never released to the press (but cited by the campaign), reveals a deep, dark secret. Emphasis on "dark." Jim Geraghty, who did some mighty fine debunking of the "whitey tape" smear (which was mentioned by Maureen Dowd today: Mazel tov, Larry Johnson!), started the ball rolling.

There are several (unlikely) rumors circulating regarding Obama's birth certificate.

Rumor One: Obama was born in Kenya.

Rumor Two: Obama's middle name
is not "Hussein" but "Muhammad."

Rumor Three: His mother did not want to name him after his father, and his birth certificate says "Barry."

Geraghty lists them, I think, in descending orders of risibility. Obama couldn't have been born in Kenya because there is no record of 23-year old Barack Hussein Obama Sr. and 18-year old Ann Dunham travelling there in 1961. They were college students who conceived their son (am I really writing this?) in a dorm and moved to a house off campus when their kid was born. Obama Sr. had a wife he abandoned in Kenya, so I'm not sure why he would have rushed back. The Obama family story, corroborated by everyone who knew them, is that the parents lived in Hawaii for two years until father bolted to study at Harvard.

Nonetheless, here's the best stuff from a fever-swampy (400 comment!) HotAir thread:

There's more to this story regarding a bunch of trips that Obama's mother undertook from Hawaii to the Philippines when he was little, and why. It also has something to do with birth, citizenship, clarification of the entire record. Hillary is wainting in the wings. Get ready for Hillary/McCain.

*Smacks forehead* Of course! Hillary suspended her campaign because she knew reporters would dig up proof of Obama's Kenyan citizenship, after which she could swoop in and take the nomination via tomfoolery, destroying the hopes of the party's loyal black base without which no Democrat can win! It's obvious, really.

The best theory on the "Muhammad" rumor comes from the same thread from—wait for it—Eric Dondero.

At the time that Obama could have changed his name from Muhammed to Hussein, Saddam Hussein didn't have the huge negative connotations that it does now. Remember, back in the 1980s, Hussein was almost an ally of the US, particularly right after the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

(I served in Reagan's Navy back then, including two tours in the Persian Gulf at the time, right at the height of the Iraq/Iran War.)

Proof! But there are some problems here. For starters, Obama Sr. was not a practicing Muslim was his son was born. He was an atheist. Why he'd name his son after the prophet when he believed the prophet was a bullshit salesman, I have no idea. There's also the problem that while Hawaii's birth certificates aren't public, there are records of "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr." at his various schools in Indonesia and Hawaii… before the period when Eric Dondero, P.I. theorized that he decided to change his name.

Geraghty floated another rumor, that the birth certificate might have classified Obama (again, the son of two people who weren't practicing a religion) as a Muslim. And then he updated the rumor: Turns out 1960s Hawaii birth certificates didn't list religion. But, hey, at least the rumor got out there!

Why do I keep following this stuff? One, I think conspiracies are fun. Two, it's a depressing sign of how sluggish and defeated the GOP base is this year that it feels compelled to engage in magical thinking. That's what this is: The stubborn hope that something, anything, will fall from the sky and make the Democratic candidate unelectable. Democrats did it four years ago and eight years ago, hoping, respectively, that National Guard documents would reveal that Bush dodged service, and that evidence would surface that he used cocaine. Every once in a while something like Bush's DUI arrest or Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" story will prove true, and the rumor mill is vindicated. But 90 percent of the time, this is time-wasting nonsense.

The most likely reason why we haven't seen Obama's birth certificate (something I can't remember being demanded of another candidate at this level) is that Obama is arrogant and, when it suits him, private. There's a long record of him behaving this way, with plenty of examples from this campaign (I won't quit my church! My advisor never said we were lying about NAFTA!). But that doesn't feed the rumor mill.

NEXT: Beware the Secret Communist Muslim Anti-Trade, Windfall Profits Tax Guy

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  1. DONDERROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  2. Wow. Dondero’d immediately. Good job, mediageek.

    It’s pretty funny to watch the pathetic, yet hopeful, desperation of the efenants this time. They will latch onto any rumor that they think will gain traction amongst the masses as long as it’ll shoot down Obama.

  3. In the Fall of 1992 – I don’t think the election had even happened yet – I told my roomies, “Someday, this is going to be a real scandal involving Bill Clinton, and nobody is going to care, because the Republicans have been crying wolf so much.”

    I think we’re entering that same territory here with Barack Obama.

  4. Why do I keep following this stuff?

    Because you don’t have the Dem primary to write about any more? Because you get paid by the word? Because you’re shilling for Big Rumormill?

  5. Except for whether Obama was born in Kenya, which seems refuted, what is on the birth certificate is none of the public’s business.

  6. Or, it being a Hawaii birth ceritificate, might say “McLovin” instead of “Muhammud”.

  7. Let’s come up with our own Barack Obama rumor, and see if we get it mentioned on Lou Dobbs.

    How about, “Barack Obama’s cousin is Minister of Agriculture in Zimbabwe.” Think we could get Red State to run with that?

  8. That’s what this is: the stubborn hope that something, anything, will fall from the sky and make the Democratic candidate unelectable.

    And the clinging to this stubborn hope is counterproductive; with a little real work by the Repubs, Obama becomes pretty unelectable anyway, based on his history/associations (nobody comes up and out of Chicago politics clean) and his positions (higher taxes, higher gas prices, elimination of secret ballots for union elections, etc.).

    It would be even more frustrating, of course, if the alternative wasn’t McCain.

    “Someday, this is going to be a real scandal involving Bill Clinton, and nobody is going to care, because the Republicans have been crying wolf so much.”

    Well, except for the impeachment, of course.

    But I think you’ve got a good point, joe. Good enough that I wonder if this isn’t a black bag operation by the Dems to pre-discredit whatever dirt he does have in his background. 😉

  9. A huge portion of both candidate’s votes this year will be negative votes. Close to half of Obama’s votes will be anti-Republican rather than pro-Obama. An even higher percentage of McCain votes will be more anti-Obama than pro-McCain.

    2008 is indeed the year of the haterz

  10. “Barry” Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama

    This has seriously got to be the most pathetic attempt I’ve ever seen. Too bad the GOP can’t smear him on just small government issues since they are just as bad now!

  11. The whitey tape rumor is a pretty good one. Rev Wright and Michelle’s past statements make it seem just plausible enough to take flight.

  12. Well, except for the impeachment, of course.

    The one that raised his approvals by 20 points? Exactly.

    Think about what the Lewinsky scandal would have done to Bill Clinton if the country wasn’t already rolling their eyes at the Klinton Konspiracy industry.

  13. come on dave stop wasting your time with this crap.

  14. Go check out Redstate frothing about RP “convention”. Whats most amazing is they don’t think he can draw more than 1,500. Guess they didn’t think he could raise all that cash either.

    While Obama is horrid from a domestic standpoint, I can live with what passes for his foreign policy if his election assures the complete destruction of what is now known as ‘the GOP’ or better yet, forces them to rename as the Whigs.

    I urge all disaffected Republicans – RP supporter or not – to vote anything but R this fall as it is the *only* way to clean house and remove the dead wood and parasites.

  15. OK, I’ve got it:

    Fist-bumping is how sleeper-cell jihadists pass instructions.

  16. A huge portion of both candidate’s votes this year will be negative votes. Close to half of Obama’s votes will be anti-Republican rather than pro-Obama. An even higher percentage of McCain votes will be more anti-Obama than pro-McCain.

    2008 is indeed the year of the haterz

    Did anyone vote for Bush or Kerry in 2004? Everyone I know voted against one or the other.

  17. I heard a rumor that Dondero changed his middle name from “Shithead” back in the 80s.

  18. As far as the Birth Certificate thing goes, if he were born in Kenya, would there even be a Hawaii birth certificate?

  19. Obama’s toast when the American people learn that his real middle name is Humuhumunukunukuapua’a.

  20. A friend of a friend knows a friend who has proof Obama and Ann Coulter are carrying on an affair and Ed Crane let’s them use his house for their assignations.

  21. Let me know when somebody–anybody!— gets around to reporting on the issues.

  22. back in the 1980s, Hussein was almost an ally of the US

    Good one, Eric. Excellent use of “almost”. Totally believable.

  23. It is fair however to ask that the Dem and GOP nominees release their birth certificate. They do want to be President of the United States after all.

  24. At 1:35 into the Ohio Players’ “Love Rollercoaster”, you can hear Michelle Obama scream, “Kill Whitey!”.

    The actor who played Eddie Haskell on Leave it to Beaver grew up to become Barack Obama. So did that nerdy kid on The Wonder Years.

    Barack Obama once challenged Frank Zappa to a gross-out contest. Barack took a dump on the stage, and Zappa won the contest by eating Obama’s dump.

    After delivering the Keynote Address at the 2004 Democratic Convention, Obama was rushed to a nearby emergency room where a quart of semen was pumped from his stomach.

    There is not, however, any truth to the rumor that Obama played lead guitar on The Kinks’ “You Really Got Me”.

  25. the rumor that Obama played lead guitar on The Kinks’ “You Really Got Me”.

    Of course not; it was “Give the People What They Want.”

  26. Aren’t birth certificates a matter of public record?

  27. I heard a clerk made a typo and his birth certificate says “Barack Hussein Osama.”

  28. Fist-bumping is how sleeper-cell jihadists pass instructions.

    That’s why E.D. Hill calls it a “terrorist fist jab”. You can’t get anything past that woman.

  29. Obama’s toast when the American people learn that his real middle name is Humuhumunukunukuapua’a

    Wrong, it’s Barack Cthulhu Obama, but he will never allow that tidbit to be known.

  30. Obama f’tang!

  31. Mister DNA’s comment has the feel of Greg Gutfeld correcting his e-mailers on music history. Nice.

  32. There is not, however, any truth to the rumor that Obama played lead guitar on The Kinks’ “You Really Got Me”.

    But was he a spud-boy? They shove the poles in the hole, you know.

  33. Hillary suspended her campaign because she knew reporters would dig up proof of Obama’s Kenyan citizenship, after which she could swoop in and take the nomination via tomfoolery

    Awsome! “Tomfoolery” is not used enough in media any more. Dave, thank you for resurrecting this word.

  34. Roberts: What is this?

    Obama: My copy of the Koran. You are going to hold it for me while giving me the Oath, infidel. [tear swelling from his eyes] Oh my fallen brothers, the Great Satan is now ours!

    or

    Roberts: huh?

    McCain: Hold it for me.

    Roberts: what . . .

    McCain: Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit. I am but the conduit of the Will of Amerika. Bombing of Iran starts in five minutes.

  35. Obama’s toast when the American people learn that his real middle name is Humuhumunukunukuapua’a

    Wrong, it’s Barack Cthulhu Obama, but he will never allow that tidbit to be known.

    And he wasn’t really born in Hawaii (or Kenya), but in Innsmouth, Massachusetts.

  36. One would imagine that Mr. Rittberg would know all about changing one’s name.

  37. But was he a spud-boy? They shove the poles in the hole, you know.

    He wasn’t a spud-boy, but he wore a hat and he had a job and he brought home the bacon, if you know what I mean.

  38. So I guess he’s happier than you and me?

  39. Pug,

    I like the original term from the internet comments, “Hezbollah-style fist jab.”

    Hamas-style fist jabs are totally different. A lot of people don’t realize this, but disputes over the proper fist-bump technique go back to the conquest of Mecca. Mohammed was able to keep the lid on the dispute during his lifetime, but upon his death, it spawned a fight over who should succeed him.

    Wake Up America!

  40. So, are y’all votin’ for the white guy, or the black guy?

  41. OT: If anybody wants a free copy of the Koran, the Chaplain’s office in the Pentagon (around 1E4, near the 9/11 Chapel) has them right next to the free bibles.

  42. Mr. DNA,

    I knew there was something fishy about that guy.

  43. The “An American Expat in Southeast Asia” blog reports that Obama’s Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School, in Jakarta, Indonesia, on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B.

    He was registered under the name of Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents list Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam.

    http://www.theobamafile.com

  44. No one is going to state the obvious? That purple dress was hideous, girlfriend.

    Camelot, more like Came-NOT!

  45. If McCain had a lick of sense, he’d hold a press conference denouncing this puerile bullshit. He would use the words “puerile bullshit”. Maybe he could get the word shameful in there as well.

    Dondero is so well known as a fool that any further comment is unnecessary.

  46. Growing up as a white guy I always figured racism was an overblown issue in this country. The crazy paranoia around Obama is making me seriously rethink that position.

  47. joe, it’s one chromosome too many.

  48. OT: If anybody wants a free copy of the Koran, the Chaplain’s office in the Pentagon (around 1E4, near the 9/11 Chapel) has them right next to the free bibles.

    I read that as 10,000 Korans, but you were referring to a room number, right?

  49. Jesus joe, it is ftaghn, not f’tang. Don’t you know anything?!?!

    Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah-nagl ftaghn.

    Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah-nagl ftaghn.

    Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah-nagl ftaghn.

    Ph’nglui Obama mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah-nagl ftaghn.

  50. This place has become nothing but one big Obama bandwagon. An Obama article every freaking second. It’s worse than CNN and Fox put together.

  51. Even if I were peeing my pants about Islamoterrorism, why would the “fact” that Obama’s middle name is Mohammed instead of Hussein make me less likely to vote for him?

  52. Relax Terry, I don’t like Obama at all, nor McCain. But this thread is funny, at least to me…what can I say, I like Lovecraft.

  53. My favorite Obama rumor is that Dave is in his hip pocket. 🙂

  54. I heard Obama moonlights at mandingo parties.

  55. I bet it shows that Obama is a hermaphrodite.

  56. Terry, you forgot to threaten to cancel your subscription.

  57. Two, it’s a depressing sign of how sluggish and defeated the GOP base is this year that it feels compelled to engage in magical thinking.

    Huh?

    Dondero represents the Republican base?

    Ya David I call bullshit.

    Where ever the fuck you are perhaps you need to actually change your travel habits so that you might actually come within a mile of a republican.

    I hang with Republicans every fucking day and they are not talking about Whitey tapes or about his middle name….they are saying he is a socialist.

  58. If Obama’s eligibility to become President is in question, then we need cold hard PROOF of it, not speculation. Where is his birth certificate or other proof that he was born in Hawaii ?? At the time of his birth, was his mother a legitimate US citizen ?? Someone had better establish this ASAP and put this rumor to rest. And if he can’t PROVE that he’s eligible, then by default HE IS NOT.

  59. Barack Obama attended two years of undergraduate study at Miskatonic University.

    When he is sworn in as President, he will not put his hand over the Bible or Koran, but rather Miskatonic’s original copy of The Necronomicon.

  60. Obama’s madrassa for girls is really his hareem!

  61. How about, “Barack Obama’s cousin is Minister of Agriculture in Zimbabwe.” Think we could get Red State to run with that?

    My vote is for “Obama is an inexperienced junior senator, a gaff machine, and a socialist”

    I think those three will hit the every TV and newspaper in the country over the next few months.

  62. This place has become nothing but one big Obama bandwagon. An Obama article every freaking second. It’s worse than CNN and Fox put together.

    Yeah, because when I think of the Obama bandwagon, I think of CNN and FOX.

    As far as the Birth Certificate thing goes, if he were born in Kenya, would there even be a Hawaii birth certificate?

    Really fucking obvious point FTW! What I wonder is how many people who hear this rumor will have this even occur to them. I’m guessing not many.

  63. Obama was born as Bearach Hoise?in O’Hara. His parents later changed his name because it sounded too Irish.

  64. And if he can’t PROVE that he’s eligible, then by default HE IS NOT.

    I’m no constitutional scholar, but I’m pretty sure that’s NOT true. Otherwise, McCain wouldn’t be eligible either, by default.

    There is no default; such questions if they did occur would have to be adjudicated by the courts, and so far as I know there are precious few, if any, precedents on determining presidential qualification questions.

  65. joe | June 11, 2008, 11:17am | #

    OK, I’ve got it:

    Fist-bumping is how sleeper-cell jihadists pass instructions.

    Insert obligatory “Simpsons” reference here:

    George Stephanopoulos: [to Kodos] Uh, Mr. President, Sir. People are becoming a bit… confused by the way your and your WIFE are, well, constantly BUMPING hands
    .
    Kodos: We are merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a simpler way, I’d like to hear it!

  66. joe – No, birth certificates are not public record. In order to get a copy (at least here in Colorado) you have to be the person listed or their parent or child.

  67. THE MAGIC NEGRO IS COMING!!!
    AAAAAAAH!!!!

  68. joe – No, birth certificates are not public record. In order to get a copy (at least here in Colorado) you have to be the person listed or their parent or child.

    Which would be a problem, except that JOE IS OBAMA’S SECRET LOVE-CHILD!

  69. Which would be a problem, except that JOE IS OBAMA’S SECRET LOVE-CHILD!

    It explains alot really.

  70. Elemenope | June 11, 2008, 12:54pm | #

    Really fucking obvious point FTW! What I wonder is how many people who hear this rumor will have this even occur to them. I’m guessing not many.

    I dunno. The way these things tend to go is that we will be told that the conspiratorial reach is so great that it can place a fake birth certificate in the Hawaian Department of Vital Statistics.

    Naturally, the possibility that it is the Kenyan birth certificate that’s the fake is utterly discounted.

  71. Bring back a (not racially biased) literacy test for voting.

    Now. Before our elections get anymore stupid.

    That is all.

  72. Has anyone mentioned that there is one candidate for president that was born outside the United States? It ain’t Obama.

  73. Roberts: huh?

    McCain: Hold it for me.

    Roberts: what . . .

    McCain: Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit. I am but the conduit of the Will of Amerika. Bombing of Iran starts in five minutes.

    It’s times like this I wish we had a Chief Justice like Frankenstein from Death Race 2000.

  74. Yes, J sub D, but he doesn’t have brown skin. And his middle name isn’t HUSSEIN!

  75. A friend of a friend knows a friend who has proof Obama and Ann Coulter are carrying on an affair

    This is just not plausible. If we’re going to run with the “Obama is secretly gay” meme, we should pick a more attractive guy for him to be linked with. Surely he has better taste in men than this.

  76. joe – never meant to be!

    joe – born in poverty!

  77. As far as the Birth Certificate thing goes, if he were born in Kenya, would there even be a Hawaii birth certificate?

    Really fucking obvious point FTW!

    Technically, I think in hawaii you can get new birth certificate after you are born (for instance, the info at the link is for people who want to change their name and/or gender).

    So it’s obvious that the baby that was born in the early sixties to the former Ann Dunham was actually Barbara Obama.

  78. close damn tag. close I say!

  79. Why are people even discussing this? WHY!?

  80. Has anyone mentioned that there is one candidate for president that was born outside the United States? It ain’t Obama.

    I did (somewhat obliquely) at 12:57.

  81. Is Reagan’s Navy anything like McHale’s Navy?

  82. Growing up as a white guy I always figured racism was an overblown issue in this country. The crazy paranoia around Obama is making me seriously rethink that position.

    Nah, its just the same nutball fringe that thought Bill Clinton was running a cocaine smuggling ring in Arkansas.

    If this starts getting any traction in The Real World, then you and me both will be worried.

  83. Bring back a (not racially biased) literacy test for voting.

    Hey, the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections tried that in 2000.

    Look how that turned out.

  84. Growing up as a white guy I always figured racism was an overblown issue in this country. The crazy paranoia around Obama is making me seriously rethink that position.

    I think the crazy paranoia has more to do with his scary-exotic name than his skin tone, though. Not that this makes me any less embarrassed on behalf of my countrymen.

  85. I think Obama’s birth certificate will show that he was sired by the b*tch Ayn Rand, and that he had his tail and horns removed at the hospital. Die libertarian scum!

  86. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe weren’t born in the United States either. So I don’t see why it’s such a big deal.

  87. “Nah, its just the same nutball fringe that thought Bill Clinton was running a cocaine smuggling ring in Arkansas.”

    No, that was Lassiter’s deal.

  88. sixstring,

    I read that as 10,000 Korans, but you were referring to a room number, right?

    Almost. All I know from memory is the floor (1), ring (E) and corridor (4). Don’t remember the exact room number. Perhaps I should have written 1E4XX, but you can’t miss the display if you walk the E ring from 4 to 3.

    Yes, I am too lazy to walk from here to there and look 🙂

  89. Just a note:

    The only place where I hear on going news about these rumors is at Reason.com.

    But I think you’ve got a good point, joe. Good enough that I wonder if this isn’t a black bag operation by the Dems to pre-discredit whatever dirt he does have in his background. 😉

    Insert “libertarian-in-name-only-Weigel” where you have “Dems” and you might have a point RC

  90. Time to haul out the old standards:

    Barack Obama is a Homo Sapien. His sister is a thespian, and it is a matter of public record that the authorities found he matriculated at college.

  91. JC,

    The only place where I hear on going news about these rumors is at Reason.com.

    Check out MSNBC after 1600 during the week.

  92. Yeah, but Chris, they were all born on what would become American soil. Unlike filthy statist Alexander Hamilton, who was a bastard sired in the Barbados.

    But yeah, Obama was born on American soil, too. Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.

  93. Skin tone or crazy name? Personally, I think it’s the D after his name, and the number of delegates committed to him.

    This isn’t some spontaneous eruption of ethno-racial paranoia among the American public, but something that is being cynically whipped up by his poltical opponents.

    Remember before he was the frontrunner, he got a very warm reception as someone who was “post-racial” who could “get the country past race.”

    Like the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Iraq, it took quite a bit of agitation by bad actors to whip up the tribalist frenzy – people who knew exactly what they were doing, and exactly why they were doing it.

  94. Yeah, I think joe has it down.

    I bet we’d be hearing about how Hillary Clinton is a lesbian murderer who had Marxist symapthies in the 60s by now if she had won.

    That, or the Vanity Fair Article about Bill’s post-Presidency escapades. My favorite gem from that particular article is that he calls one of the jets he flies on “Air Fuck One”.

  95. “it is a matter of public record that the authorities found he matriculated at college.”

    He also looked over girls’ theses.

  96. Thank you for correcting the abominable ftang.

    No offense joe, but c’mon.

  97. Skin tone or crazy name? Personally, I think it’s the D after his name, and the number of delegates committed to him.

    That explains why GOPers are going after him. It doesn’t explain why it’s all the ethnic/racial ingroup-outgroup paranoia. And it doesn’t explain why GOPer kool-aiders are swallowing it all whole.

  98. Wait a second, you don’t worship the Elder Ones by chanting “Icky-icky-icky-icky-ftang-nee-wom-ba?”

    Damn, who have I been offering up my allegiance to?

  99. Unlike filthy statist Alexander Hamilton, who was a bastard sired in the Barbados.

    From the unreliable Wiki:

    “By his own account, Hamilton was born in Charlestown, the capital of Nevis in the West Indies, out of wedlock to Rachel Faucett Lavien, of part French Huguenot descent, and James A. Hamilton, fourth son of Scottish laird Alexander Hamilton of Grange, Ayrshire…

    A 1765 business assignment led Hamilton’s father to move the family to Christiansted, St. Croix…”

    I know it’s a small technicality about which island in the West Indies, but little Nevis doesn’t get credit for much. He’s still a hero in the U.S. territory of St. Croix, but not as much as Bob Marley.

  100. Smappy,

    My point, which I was hoping the Iraq comparison would make clear, is that the existence of a fault line in society does not inevitably lead to this ugliness. As in Bosnia, it takes evil leadership by people with a political agenda picking at the scab.

  101. They aren’t really tapping the racial aspect so much as the foreigner/exotic aspect. If his name were Douglass Hubert Jones or some other Anglo-Saxonish name and his dad were from Georgia, this attack wouldn’t work even though hes black.

  102. Damn, who have I been offering up my allegiance to?

    This guy, apparently…

  103. Check out MSNBC after 1600 during the week.

    Aside from the soap operas Battle Star and Lost and some cartoons from adult swim that i download…i do not watch TV.

    Well Ok i watch reason.tv.

    Plus you know i do not have cable…..or a TV.

  104. NNG,

    The Wright drumbeat and the mythical Michelle tape have nothing to do with the exotic, foreign, terroristy name problem. Those are entirely about whipping up black/white tensions.

    They’re doing what you suggest too, but they’re playing on the old American racial sore, too.

  105. joe, you are partly right. They do use the racial black American aspect–but they reserve it exclusively for his wife.

    Mostly because Obama is probably somewhere between Tiger Woods and Bryant Gumbel on the Scary Black Man Scale.

  106. My point, which I was hoping the Iraq comparison would make clear, is that the existence of a fault line in society does not inevitably lead to this ugliness. As in Bosnia, it takes evil leadership by people with a political agenda picking at the scab.

    All bullshit.

    Republicans are attacking him on what they call being a liberal…which is code for socialist. Same thing Bush did to Kerry in the debates. If you want to dick around on the fringes then be well aware that I can see you dicking around on the fringes when you say this is the heart and soul of Republicans.

  107. Joshua if the Republicans hadn’t become so slimy they would attack him on the windfall profits tax if they wanted to hit the socialist aspect (and also the windfall profits tax is way more scary than his middle name to anyone with an IQ over 80).

  108. I find it unfortunate that for many people, the first thing that comes to mind when they hear about “Obama” is that he’s a Muslim, and that he went to a radical black church (somehow reconciling the obvious contradiction of a Muslim in church). Even Ross Perot, software billionaire, believed the rumor from an email until a reporter set him straight:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Perot_pleasantly_surprised.html

    But if you think about it, compared to the gallons of ink spilled over Obama’s questionable associations, we have heard very little about the kinds of associations he would be proud of. Who are Obama’s real best friends and what are their political inclinations? Who helped shape the man’s political attitudes in college? And so on? Personally I have very little to go on when deciding on this guy’s character or judgment. So I’m not too surprised when people start to draw overly strong connections between Obama and his “three amigos” Wright, Ayres, and Rezko.

  109. Pug,
    I was just relying on contemporary accounts, and considering the latitude references to “the Barbadoes” had in his era, I’m not surprised that he was born on some other island in the British West Indies.

  110. Mark-

    You bring up a good point, because when I read your comment I began to think if they ever brought up anybody from Obama’s past that was positive and I couldn’t think of any.

    The Dems really need to bring out some of his (positive) high school and college friends at the convention.

  111. The way some US voters foccus on Obama’s name is just silly. Both Hebrew and Arabic speakers name their kids Barack, so when I first heard “Barack Obama”, I figured his parents had a lot of friends with different religions. I took it for granted that he was Christian, because if he wasn’t, the headlines would herald him as the first Jew/Muslim/whatever with a serious chance of becoming president.

  112. Republicans are attacking him on what they call being a liberal…which is code for socialist.

    Uh, yeah, all of that SCARY BLACK CHURCH stuff was about tax rates.

    And the “Whitey” tape nonsense? All about Medicare.

  113. Mark, NNG,

    I saw a black preacher on TV saying “He needs to get himself some new pastor friends.”

    Gee, Reverend, do you have any suggestions?

  114. “His sister is a thespian, and it is a matter of public record that the authorities found he matriculated at college.”

    Further, he’s been observed perambulating children on a public sidewalk. Why, he’s even been caught masticating at the dinner table!

  115. I think the possible long term effects of Barack Obama’s campaign on Muslim culture will be more interesting to watch. Even though Barack is Christian, many people saw his rise as evidence that a Middle Eastern last name does not have to be a barrier. Now plenty of people look up to him. Obama Sr. married a non-Muslim and did not object when his son joined a church. Those are two big taboos in some Muslim communities. How will having Obama Jr. as a role model challenge those taboos and make the next generation expect more religious freedoms?

  116. jtuf, his father didn’t object because despite being from a Muslim background he himself was not a practicing Muslim. He was an atheist, and something of a playboy.

    For certain ignorant people, though, they can comprehend that one can be from a Christian background but be non-practicing or an atheist, but think it impossible with Muslims. Because they love to think of Muslims as one, big, fundamentalist Arabic-chanting mass and anything that complicates it hurts their little brains.

  117. If you want to dick around on the fringes then be well aware that I can see you dicking around on the fringes when you say this is the heart and soul of Republicans.

    They have SOULS?!

    Holy shit.

  118. Agree w/ joe @ 3:16, until this:

    Remember before he was the frontrunner, he got a very warm reception as someone who was “post-racial” who could “get the country past race.”

    I think what killed that wasn’t his front-runner status so much as his long and deep association with prominent black liberation theologians.

    As in Bosnia, it takes evil leadership by people with a political agenda picking at the scab.

    I would only point out that the scab-picking on race in this country is done by people on both sides of the divide. The race hustlers have a vested interest in fomenting resentment and division, and they do it very well. “Multiculturalism” too often is a thin cover for identity group politics, which in turn is nothing more than collectivism with a grudge.

  119. Someone should check his daughters’ birth certificates to see if they mention their father’s birthplace. I assume they were both born in Illinois.

  120. jtuf, his father didn’t object because despite being from a Muslim background he himself was not a practicing Muslim. He was an atheist, and something of a playboy.

    And also, dead. Barack Obama’s father died before he left school.

    I think what killed that wasn’t his front-runner status so much as his long and deep association with prominent black liberation theologians. Funny that no one went around screaming SCARY BLACK CHURCH!!! SCARY BLACK CHURCH!!! before he was the frontrunner, despite his connection with a SCARY BLACK GUY being played up in his biography.

    I would only point out that the scab-picking on race in this country is done by people on both sides of the divide. The race hustlers have a vested interest in fomenting resentment and division, and they do it very well. “Multiculturalism” too often is a thin cover for identity group politics, which in turn is nothing more than collectivism with a grudge.

    Yes, RC, racism in this country is the fault of black people.

  121. I would only point out that the scab-picking on race in this country is done by people on both sides of the divide.

    Actually, this is a good, if discomforting, point.

  122. No Name Guy | June 11, 2008, 5:07pm | #

    jtuf, his father didn’t object because despite being from a Muslim background he himself was not a practicing Muslim. He was an atheist, and something of a playboy.

    For certain ignorant people, though, they can comprehend that one can be from a Christian background but be non-practicing or an atheist, but think it impossible with Muslims. Because they love to think of Muslims as one, big, fundamentalist Arabic-chanting mass and anything that complicates it hurts their little brains.

    No Name Guy, why are you calling to the Muslims who look up to Obama “ignorant” and suggesting that they can’t comprehend a non-practicing Muslim? I am sure they, like me, understand that some individuals can be non-practicing Muslims the way Obama Sr. was. Of course there are differences among Muslims. Kenya has a large Christian population and is part of the Commonwealth, so I imagine religous tolerance is more common there. Some, though not all, countries with a Muslim majority have laws against converting from Islam or marrying outside the faith. Obama Jr.’s campaign is in the news even in those countries. I am sure the people of those countries have diverse views. I am also sure some of them will look at Obama Sr.’s life and figure, “Hey if he can leave the fold and marry outside the faith, why can’t I?”

  123. Two words: Identity Theft.

    NEVER release your birth certificate to the public. That’s one of the main documents to get a lot of other documents – and then apply for credit cards.

    The last thing we need is for a presidential candidate to set a bad example and mislead people into thinking a birth certificate is no big deal to have out in the public domain.

  124. Tom J,
    As an Identify thief, I find using Presidential Candidates Identities the Ultimate low profile identity to steal. I mean who on earth would suspect that I am not also named “Barack Hussein Obama”.

    That name is VERY common.

    -Peter Pressure

  125. Hey! Gimme my name back!

  126. Jtuf-

    My remark was addressed to the people who think hes a secret Muslim, not Muslims that happen to look up to him.

  127. What about the fact that John McCain was born a bastard child to a father who was a Panamanian national?

    The husband of John McCain’s mother is not his father. His father was a Panamanian national with whom McCain’s mother had an affair while in the Panama Canal Zone. McCain is a bastard child whose biological father is a Panamanian national.

    This is damaging and it means that McCain isn’t qualified to be president because he isn’t even a US citizen.

    And the McCain camp sure is quiet on this. I mean, if this isn’t true, why don’t they just dig up his father from the grave and run a DNA test to prove that the guy in the hole is really McCain’s father?

    Notice how McCain has adopted some kids of his own? Why is this? Well, he feels a kinship with these kids: kids who don’t know their real dad.

    What are you hiding John McCain? Dig your dad up from the grave and provide some DNA evidence if this isn’t true.

  128. Maybe I missed it and someone already pointed it out – The reason that his birth certificate is a reasonable document to request is that it could very well be he is not a natural born citizen. This issue was brought up with McCain and it is OK but not with Obama? Come on.

  129. Okay, fair enough David. I admit my theory is a bit out there.

    But answer one simple question:

    Why is it that the Obama campaign absolutely refuses to release the birth certificate? It’s a very simple thing to do. Wanna quiet all the conspiracies? Simply release the birth certificate and stop stalling.

  130. Eric Dondero | June 11, 2008, 10:31pm | #

    Okay, fair enough David. I admit my theory is a bit out there.

    But answer one simple question: why is it that the Obama campaign absolutely refuses to release the birth certificate?

    Because it grants the question legitimacy when the opposition wants to change the discussion from issues to “identity”, which is a giant pile of bullshit?

    Seriously. Post your birth certificate on the net for us, please. And all your records of navy service and performance reviews. It’s a legitimate question!! How are we not to assume you’re just a Guam-born son of a drunken-one night stand, sad sack, shitty ex-cook on a hospital ship? I mean, really. Stop stalling

  131. and dont tell me “i’m not running for president”. You’ve nominated yourself lord of all Legitimate Libertarians… we should get a chance to see your credentials at least.

    oh, and your mailing address. I have an unmailed bag of dog poo.

  132. I do not believe the rumors, but they do bring up a tangent question. Don’t we have a system to enforce the qualifications for running for president? States handle voter registration. We can register to vote without putting private documents on the web. If anyone does not trust the Federal Election Commission to verify a candidate’s age and birth place, then he should focus on reforming it.

  133. This issue was brought up with McCain and it is OK but not with Obama?

    It was brought up with McCain because he said he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, not because someone floated a rumor. Rather the opposite of what’s happening here. Obama’s being asked to prove that his pregnant mother didn’t fly to Kenya to have him.

  134. “Except for whether Obama was born in Kenya, which seems refuted, what is on the birth certificate is none of the public’s business.”

    I disagree. The US Constitution places these qualifications on a candidate for President:

    1. Must be at least 35 years of age.

    2. Must be a natural born US Citizen.

    BHO must prove it, and both of these qualifications require a birth certificate.

  135. BHO must prove it, and both of these qualifications require a birth certificate.

    The people a candidate has to show a birth certificate to are not the “general public” or radio talk show hosts or bloggers.

  136. “Kenyan Born Obama makes history – wins presidential nomination.”

    http://www.usafricaonline.com/news.html

  137. Barack Obama has released his Birth Certificate. I can’t believe that he has to prove he’s American. Shows you how desperate and racist the right really is.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616

  138. There are a couple of items all you who feel this is manure should remember – you need your birth certificate to 1. Certify citizenship and 2. certify age. Those are the ONLY two criteria set forth for President.

    You must produce this doc for Little League, School, a Passport, and many other normal things in life. The fact this Presidential Candidate doesn’t want to do so means something. Until he does, this question will dog him.

    Let’s assume he doesn’t meet one of the two tests in the Constitution, then he will take his time a dveleop “learned legal opinion” to sway people into the “it doesn’t matter – I/m an immigrant routine” If we give him a pass, then it is an open door for other even more nefarious.

    Does the Constitution and our law mean anything anymore? Apparently, not to Democrats seeking dictatorial power

  139. I guess Hawaiian birth certs don’t include religion, which is included in some states.

    Was he born a Muslim?

    No matter, Obama has enought baggage to sink his candidacy, along with enough anti-Obama folks like me who are real committed to seeing his campaign fail.

  140. No Name Guy | June 11, 2008, 1:54pm | #

    Yes, J sub D, but he doesn’t have brown skin. And his middle name isn’t HUSSEIN!

    My middle name is Francis. My friends call me Psycho

    If you call me Francis, i’ll kill you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=einZgVrnfG0

  141. I love where Barack mentions that he is been to 57 states…priceless ! The remix…funny:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY&feature=related

  142. Was he born a Muslim?

    No one is born a Muslim. Was he indoctrinated as a Muslim while young and impressionable? According to my magic 8-ball, “Signs point to no”.

  143. Independents for Obama
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  144. This si the most racist website I have been to today. This BULLSHIT that Barack Obama is a secret muslim communist is a fear manifested by old right wing conservatism who fear ANY black man. This shows how racially divided we are as a country and how people don’t want to start the healing by stopping such fear. This is REALLY SAD.

  145. The reason the Republicans love to throw dirt at Obama is because they cannot think of many good things to say about McCain……..I mean, how many ways can you say “he was a prisoner of war”?

  146. Obama’s mother’s original Social Security Number Application

    http://webofdeception.com/obamamother'sssapplication.html

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  148. “The most likely reason why we haven’t seen Obama’s birth certificate (something I can’t remember being demanded of another candidate at this level)…”

    Well, your memory is truly selective. McCain had to show his. Congress held hearings to establish McCain’s eligibility. This is just like you left-wing BS artists! You’re no journalist. Get an honest job!

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