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The "Brown-Black" Race Card?

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Over at Politico, "libertarian Democrat," former press secretary for the Democratic National Committee, and occasional reason contributor Terry Michael writes about whether Hillary Clinton is exploiting tensions between Hispanics and blacks in the Donkey Party:

Stipulated, I am a partisan of my fellow Illinoisan Obama, who I believe is transcending race in this campaign. 

But, putting on my media critic hat, I would urge those whose business it is to interpret our politics, the press corps, to carefully observe how Clinton Inc. plays the "brown-black" race card as the campaign moves toward Texas. That extra scrutiny was earned by trash talk from the Supreme and Un-Fireable Manager of Clinton Inc. (our "first black president") between Iowa and South Carolina. 

All of this could have been predicted for a political party (I lament it is mine) that has been playing identity politics with a vengeance for the past several decades. 

With an unfortunate focus on granting entitlements based on tribal affinity rather than celebrating the rights, liberties and personal responsibilities of individuals in a pluralistic democracy, strengthened by civic cultural assimilation, we Democrats have been courting racialist warfare for a long time. 

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  1. I haven’t read this guy before, but that’s a pretty well-written little snippet.

  2. I think the experiment in genteel Fascism that the Left has engaged in since the 60’s may finally beginning to bear its predestined ugly fruit. A political philosophy that holds that only politicians who share physical similarities with any particular group of voters can ever truly represent them is doomed to have a messy end in a diverse society.

    I would note that Terry Michael only seems to see hispanics refusing to vote for Obama as a problem even though the overwhelming support for Obama from African-Americans stems from the same racial identity impulse.

  3. By “this guy”, I mean T.M., not Gillespie. I read Gillespie’s stuff all the time.

  4. You mean ONE time contributor? (At least by the information in the link.)

  5. …have been courting racialist warfare for a long time.

    Hmmm. Why racialist, why not race or racist?

  6. southernevangelists:GOP::racialpolitics:DEM ?

    Maybe this is the election where the two idiot parties might dispose of their respective idiotic and fracturing methods of trying to get votes.

  7. California exits:

    Race-Clinton%-Obama%
    White-45%-42%
    African-American-19%-78%
    Latino-69%-29%
    Asian-75%-23%
    Other-43%-44%
    Source: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#CADEM

    Minorities are racist. Whites have had it beat out of them (metaphorically).

  8. …have been courting racialist warfare for a long time.

    Hmmm. Why racialist, why not race or racist?

    The first time I heard the term “racialist” it was from modern movement-racists.

  9. With an unfortunate focus on granting entitlements based on tribal affinity rather than celebrating the rights, liberties and personal responsibilities of individuals in a pluralistic democracy, strengthened by civic cultural assimilation, we Democrats have been courting racialist warfare for a long time.

    Well, duh.

    Meanwhile, Reason’s tiny little hands are hardly clean, considering that their support for MassiveImmigration gives power to those who use such techniques. And, considering that they’ve acted as retransmitters for the SPLC. And, considering that they consistently fail to even-handedly discuss MassiveImmigration, prefering instead the Democrat method.

  10. Maybe this is the election where the two idiot parties might dispose of their respective idiotic and fracturing methods of trying to get votes.

    Maybe the loser will. The winner will think everything is hunky-dory with their game plan. Even the loser may assume “we just didn’t do it enough”. Politicians are every bit as stupid as the general populace.

    While the GOP thingee between the Xian right and the fiscal conservatives has been simmering for awhile, this may be just the beginnings of a hispanic and black divide.

  11. I don’t mind affirmative tribal voting. Hell, given the basic lousiness of the options in this election, I would gladly support any par-for-the-course candidate who declared himself both an Episcopalian and 49’ers fan. (Well, no, I probably still wouldn’t vote, but he’d be my favorite.) So the fact that blacks rally in great numbers around the great black hope bothers me little. Negative tribal voting, however, as we may be seeing in Latinos voting against Obama, bothers me a bit more.

  12. Minorities are racist. Whites have had it beat out of them (metaphorically).

    I thought only white people could be racist. Minorities are simply practicing indentity politics. Or something like that.

  13. Meanwhile, Reason’s tiny little hands are hardly clean, considering that their support for MassiveImmigration gives power to those who use such techniques. And, considering that they’ve acted as retransmitters for the SPLC. And, considering that they consistently fail to even-handedly discuss MassiveImmigration, prefering instead the Democrat method.

    What does this mean, does anyone know what he’s talking about here? As usual, I love the camelCase but c’mon LW you’re usually more coherent.

  14. Minorities are racist. Whites have had it beat out of them (metaphorically).

    I thought only white people could be racist. Minorities are simply practicing indentity politics. Or something like that.

    No. No. No. Minorities and democrats are racialist. They can’t be racist.

  15. I agree that I am less bothered by black people voting for a black candidate or women voting for a woman than I am people voting against a candidate based on their race/sex.

    I don’t know if the exit poll numbers are indicative that white people (democrats, in this case) are not racist/sexist, but perhaps merely indicate that they are confused over which they should be in his case.

  16. I am not a racialist!

    Taunton has always been a part of Minehead!

  17. typo correction:
    “…over which they should be in this case.”

  18. Mr. Hilter,

    I don’t like the sound of these ‘ere boncentration bamps.

  19. Make joke…not head of Gestapo at all!

  20. So what he seems to be saying is that the Dems are no longer the reality-based community, but are now the racially-based community?

  21. Im may get flak for saying this but here goes:

    My theory is that hispanics, in general, are “racist” against blacks when it comes to blacks having power over them. This, at least, has been my experience.
    Its almost a race to see which minority will take the U.S. Presidency first. Hispanics do not want to see a black person make it before an hispanic. They would rather rally around a woman.
    Oddly enough, while a minority winning the US Presidency would open the door for other minorities, they would rather see the other guy lose. Its called “envidia” (envy).
    There is wierd tension between hispanics and blacks.

  22. I thought only white people could be racist.

    The data clearly shows that minorities are more racist than whites, which is why we’re better than them.

  23. All of this could have been predicted for a political party (I lament it is mine) that has been playing identity politics with a vengeance for the past several decades.

    Bingo. Much of the pending Dem train wreck (still avoidable, BTW) is the predictable result of identity politics and victimology. No matter who loses, a part of the Dem base will feel that their candidate was “entitled” to the nomination because of his/her race/gender and was robbed. Bitterness will ensue.

    Although, the feminist wing at least has already proven its ability to be ideologically flexibility in pursuit of power, when they gave Bill a pass. So it may not be that bad if Obama wins.

  24. With an unfortunate focus on granting entitlements based on tribal affinity rather than celebrating the rights, liberties and personal responsibilities of individuals in a pluralistic democracy, strengthened by civic cultural assimilation, we Democrats have been courting racialist warfare for a long time.

    Holy shit, someone who refers to “we democrats” have been courting racialist warfare? Say it ain’t so, joe, break out your definitional superiority and put a cap on his ass!

  25. So, Other Matt, how many black presidential candidates have YOU voted for?

    RC? TWC? Shannon Love?

    C’mon.

    OK, Governor?

    Anyone?

  26. Bingo: what that means is that Reason gleefully engages in the identity politics decried in the article, just as long as some small group of people (such as crooked businesses and banks) can make money.

    A side effect is that those who enable IdentityPolitics and support MassiveImmigration give power to RacialDemagogues, like this: youtube.com/watch?v=3jwqQ8DtlPQ

    If those on the right side of things had been fighting both IdentityPolitics and MassiveImmigration wholeheartedly, there would have been no one for Tony to give his speech to. Instead, the hacks at Reason support those things by playing the IdentityPolitics game, such as by smearing those who oppose IllegalImmigration, linking favorably to the SPLC instead of demolishing their arguments, etc. etc.

  27. joe,

    I voted Keyes in the 2000 Rep primary (crazy, unlike ambition, is self-limiting). Does that count?

  28. I think the experiment in genteel Fascism that the Left has engaged in since the 60’s may finally beginning to bear its predestined ugly fruit.

    Huh??

    what do think the rust belt is or more recently New Orleans? That ugly fruit you speak of has fallen from the tree rotted and birthed new trees years ago…Clinton v Obama is just one symptom in a long line of the same shit that is fucking up the lives a millions of americans. I am sorry this is a side show of the racial entitlement mess dems have created, not the penultimate climax of it.

  29. What does this mean, does anyone know what he’s talking about here? As usual, I love the camelCase but c’mon LW you’re usually more coherent.

    He is saying that people make money from hiring hard working Mexicans. And if you use socialist math you can prove to another socialist that union workers lose jobs.

    Oh ya and that libertarians are evil for not using socialist math.

  30. So, Other Matt, how many black presidential candidates have YOU voted for?

    How many Dem presidents appointed a black secretary of state?

    Anyway good job joe…pat yourself on the back, your party is going to nominate a black candidate.

    Good job.

    Now about Detroit….do the democrats really have to keep it so fucked up for so long?

  31. African-American-19%-78%
    Latino-69%-29%

    Anyone remember the episode of the Cosby show when Mrs Huxtable was on a TV and givin 15 sec at the end of it to describe “the Black experience of the great depression”

    and her response was “Misery hates company”

    Given that Dem policies created amplified and prolonged the Depression i think that description of Black/hispanic relations is particularly apt for this discussion.

    The lack of opportunity in minority communities is the creation of dem policies…the fact that these communities hate one another should be no surprise.

  32. Yeah Lone Wacko VDARE (which you link to) doesn’t practice identity politics at all! No sir-ee! /sarcasm

  33. MattXIV,

    It certainly counts, but I’ll point out that you were not whining about terrible horror of black voters voting for a black candidate – as opposed to the people I called out.

    The lack of opportunity in minority communities is the creation of dem policies

    Uh, yeah, remember how well black people were doing in this country in the 20s? Oh, wait…

  34. I’m not sure what I like best about the Republican Party:

    It’s opposition to identity politics; its defense of the Western, European Tradition; or its determination to protect America’s identity as a Christian nation.

  35. Uh, yeah, remember how well black people were doing in this country in the 20s? Oh, wait…

    They moved to the big cities from the south and got jobs and improved themselves when they could…were they more poor then whites? you bet.

    But there was hope and there was measured improvement in their lives and a growing inclusion of them into American culture…or have you never heard of jazz joe?

    But seriously you think Detroit is fucked because of the Republicans and libertarians??

    And you think it has stayed fucked for so long because it has been so well managed all these years by democrats?

    It certainly counts, but I’ll point out that you were not whining about terrible horror of black voters voting for a black candidate – as opposed to the people I called out.

    I have no idea what you are talking about…who did you call out again? Who does not expect with less then mild interest that blacks will vote for a black candidate?

  36. I’m not sure what I like best about the Republican Party:

    It’s opposition to identity politics; its defense of the Western, European Tradition; or its determination to protect America’s identity as a Christian nation.

    You can tell joe is sweeting when he throws out random zingers at the republicans on a libertarian blog.

    “hey look at them crazy republicans and thier crazy shit…nope no problem with the dems here…he hehe hehehe” joe blubbers with a manic smile on his face and a glistening forehead.

  37. So, Other Matt, how many black presidential candidates have YOU voted for?

    RC? TWC? Shannon Love?

    None. The only ones I can recall are Alan Keyes and Jesse Jackson, both of which are distasteful for reasons that have nothing to do with their race. Did you vote for either of those, joe?

    I live in Texas, so I haven’t had the opportunity to vote for or against the big O. Seeing as my voter registration hasn’t come through in my new locale, I’ll probably be ineligible to vote in the upcoming primary.

    OK, Governor?

    Sure. Doug Wilder. You, joe?

    I’ll point out that you were not whining about terrible horror of black voters voting for a black candidate – as opposed to the people I called out.

    All I have complained about is the corrosive effect of identity politics, and how the Dems have set themselves up for their current political predicament by building their house on a foundation of identity politics.

    I think white people voting because of race and black people voting because of race is equally reprehensible.

    You’re not indulging in the bigotry of low expectations by saying something that is wrong for whites to do is perfectly OK for blacks, are you, joe?

  38. How many have YOU voted for joe? Don’t suppose the aforementioned Mr. Alan Keyes would do for you – even though he’s black, he’s still a Republican, not to mention Christian (Catholic).

    How about Jesse Jackson?

    joe’s an idiot

  39. You two are forgetting Sharpton. Of course, if I would have had to vote in the Dem primary 4 years ago, I might have preferred Al to John.

  40. Yup, forgot Al – doesn’t change anything though…

  41. With an unfortunate focus on granting entitlements based on tribal affinity rather than celebrating the rights, liberties and personal responsibilities of individuals in a pluralistic democracy, strengthened by civic cultural assimilation, we Democrats have been courting racialist warfare for a long time.

    There is a big, fucking revelation.

  42. joshua corning, would it be too much to ask that you read a fucking book, or gain some knowledge of subject before you lecture those who know more than you do about it?

    Black poverty rates in the 1920s were over 50%, in some states over 80%. Oh, but hey, you’ve got some jazz records, so you can tell youself a pretty little story about how wonderful things were when the Klan had 2 million members. What, did you see an Eddie Murphy movie once and figure you know how the black folks lived in the olden days? God, you’re ignorant.

    RC,

    I voted for Obama, and I voted for Deval Patrick in the election for Massachusetts governor.

    You’re not indulging in the bigotry of low expectations by saying something that is wrong for whites to do is perfectly OK for blacks, are you, joe?

    No, I’m indulging in the anti-racism of actual power shifts by saying that it is right for black people, white people, and everyone else to vote to break down the color barriers that exist in our society.

  43. Hey, joe, if Walter Williams considers a run for the presidency, he would at least have a shot at my vote — depending on what kind of politician he turned out to be.

    Does that get me off your “you must hate niggers if you haven’t voted for a black politician” list?

    Fucking tool.

  44. Black poverty rates in the 1920s were over 50%, in some states over 80%. Oh, but hey, you’ve got some jazz records, so you can tell youself a pretty little story about how wonderful things were when the Klan had 2 million members.

    And you can keep telling yourself that the Democratic Party has the solutions to black poverty rates and on the whole has been, through its identity politicking, beneficial for minorities while blaming Republicans for all our social ills.
    You can also phone up the Easter Bunny and request a $10 handjob.

  45. That’s a rather uncivil way to say, “Yep, you’re right, joe,” Mr. Kelly.

    When you cease to become enraged at the expression of truthful observations about black history in this country, corrections of mythological statements designed to downplay that history, then maybe I can take you off my list of obvious racists.

    But then, I’ve seen your comments for some time now, and I’m pretty sure you’d work your way back on there in short order.

    And please note, I’m not saying this about RC Dean, or even corning. Just you.

  46. And please note, I’m not saying this about RC Dean, or even corning. Just you.

    *cue scary music kick*

  47. As always, you add so much to the discussion of ideas.

    How about we all stipulate your excellent point, “Joe = teh evil,” and then go on from there?

  48. How about we all stipulate your excellent point, “Joe = teh evil,”

    Joe, joe, joe. That’s not my point.
    My point is “Joe = teh moron.”

  49. Why are black people so much better off today than they were in the 1920s, joe?
    *please say “pro sports and the Democrats” … please say “pro sports and the Democrats” …*

  50. … then maybe I can take you off my list…

    How about me joe, will ya put me on a list? Pu-leeeze huh? huh?

    ‘Cause you’re on one of mine. I call it the windbag list – so far you are the only one on it.

  51. Nah, you’d actually have to make some kind of point with some level of substance behind it to get me to bother with your link.

    Why are black people so much better off today than they were in the 1920s, joe?

    Largely because of the decline in the political power of people with your general opinions about race, Jamie.

  52. Anyway, RC, others: it was fun while it lasted, but it looks like the Self-Appointed Anti-joe Brigade has decided to shit all over it.

    Oh, well. It was a decent enough thread while it lasted.

  53. people with your general opinions about race

    What, that a person’s character shouldn’t be judged by the color of his skin?*
    I’ll say it right out: You’re a condescending, groupthink racist, joe.

    * Note to self: Contact Rev. Al Sharpton to see if this is correct.

  54. Like I give a crap about how someone like you feels about my beliefs about racial justice.

  55. Nah, you’d actually have to make some kind of point with some level of substance behind it to get me to bother with your link.

    …cause that’s what you do, right joe? Make points with substance; like these:

    What, did you see an Eddie Murphy movie once and figure you know how the black folks lived in the olden days? God, you’re ignorant.

    ..it was fun while it lasted, it looks like the Self-Appointed Anti-joe Brigade has decided to shit all over it.

    Largely because of the decline in the political power of people with your general opinions about race, Jamie.

    Like I give a crap about how someone like you feels about my beliefs about racial justice.

    Nonetheless I sort of agree with something you said – it was fun while it lasted. But you also said, it was a decent enough thread while it lasted. Was it fun, or decent? And if you don’t mind helping me understand, what might be the difference, if any? (Decency and fun are rarely synonyms in this culture.)

    Anyway, whatever it all means, you found something more fun/decent to do. Oh well.

    So, see ya next time joe … by the way, don’t you dare click on any links – they exist only to test you.

    P.S. I did agree, sort of, with one other thing you said, but you generalized it enough that I could – … to vote to break down the color barriers that exist in our society.

    Only thing is, I’d personally take out the word “color” since my belief is that it would be useful to collapse all kinds of ‘barriers’.

    Anyone who votes based on a candidate’s size, shape, reproductive equipment, or skin color is an idiot. I say that other than political reasons, there is no valid reason to vote for or against someone.. period. That goes for you too joe, if you vote for a candidate, or encourage others to do so, because of their particular size, shape, color, you are an idiot.

    And if vote to break down barriers means voting for what an “individual” (I know, scary word for you, joe) believes to be the “best” candidate (note: some voters ‘best’ is different than yours) regardless of the natural characteristics or organs (including skin) of the candidate, then I will happily agree with you.

  56. That’s nice.

  57. You make some interesting points. Were you a civil person who gave me any hope at all that you were interested in or capable of a rational, calm, intelligent, and polite discussion of ideas, I might be tempted to discuss them with you.

    But, sadly, you’re still in the throes of joe Derangement Syndrome, so that’s that.

  58. joe | February 16, 2008, 7:22pm | #
    You make some interesting points. Were you a civil person who gave me any hope at all that you were interested in or capable of a rational, calm, intelligent, and polite discussion of ideas, I might be tempted to discuss them with you.

    But, sadly, you’re I’m still in the throes of joe Derangement Syndrome, so that’s that.

    Excellent self-analysis joe. Keep it up and somebody might be tempted to discuss ideas with you.

  59. Actually, I get people discussing ideas with me every single day.

    Every.

    Single.

    Day.

    I also get emails from strangers just about weekly, complimenting me for how much I contribute to the level of discussion.

    How about you?

  60. Hey joe, sorry to take so long to reply, got involved in other stuff, and it’s getting kinda late but I don’t want you to think you’re not worthy of a reply … I’ll let you know when/if that does happen.

    joe | February 16, 2008, 8:01pm |

    I also get emails from strangers just about weekly, complimenting me for how much I contribute to the level of discussion.

    How about you?

    Dunno, don’t check it much. Don’t need approval as often as you seem to.

    Every.

    Single.

    Day.

    Nonetheless, congrats on the compliments you get from all those strangers who agree with you… I’m sure you are consistent, rational and open when you discuss ideas with those who disagree, and you leave the personal comments out of it – kinda like you do here (sarcasm). Keep doing whatever you are doing, just as long as you feel fulfilled. I’m all for fulfillment.

    And as you probably notice, I didn’t keep the personal out of it; (I mean using “joe’s an idiot” as a screen name – even if it’s true, it’s still pretty personal right?) But I’m not claiming to be a civil guy. You, on the other hand, are one of the most civil guys ever joe, no doubt better than many of the rest of us. At least that’s what I keep getting from your postings.

  61. YOU brought it up, dude.

    Sorry it blew up in your face.

  62. Hey joe, Good Mornin’

    Brought what up exactly? And if whatever “it” is did blow up in my face, I doubt you’d be sorry.

    Or is that just your first ‘sarcasm’ attempt for the day? Maybe your “I’m a civil guy” attempt for the day?

  63. joe, I voted for Libertarian John Clifton for Governor of New York. But I bet that’s not good enough because he wasn’t a Democrat. All black candidates must be Democrats to “count,” right?

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