The Presidential Candidate Ranking Game—Who is Worse?

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While sharing cocktails with some delightful Reasonoids at the Happy Hour at The Big Hunt earlier this month, I initiated a little game of ranking presidential candidates. I began by saying that I would have to vote for Hillary Clinton if Mike Huckabee were the Republican presidential candidate. On further reflection, I added that I would have to vote for Mike Huckabee if John Edwards were the Democratic candidate. So my short ranking is that Edwards is worse than Huckabee who is worse than Clinton. On further consideration (and some cocktails later), I began to wonder if reason needs a foreign correspondent for the next four years or so.

I invite Hit & Run readers to play this little dispiriting ranking game among themselves.

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  1. I think I’d vote Edwards over Huckabee. A religious nutjob would be able to push through more legislation than a socialist nutjob.

  2. With enough cocktails, you might start talking about Goldwater. And Agnew.

  3. Really!? Edwards worse than Huckabee? So you’d prefer a theocracy to some guy trying to curb corporate overreach? Man, that’s one gigantic sacred cow you got there..

  4. Hmmmm….

    Ron Paul
    [gap]
    Whoever the LP nominates
    [gap]
    The recently departed Fred Thompson
    [big gap]
    the rest

    Unless the LP fails to nominate someone or manages to nominate a supreme loser (and I voted for Badnarik, so the bar isnt being set high) I dont even have to consider what happens amongst the rest.

  5. Ron, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t say “Huck is worse than Clinton, therefore I’ll vote third party.” You remind me of the crowd in the classic Simpsons where Homer exposes Clinton & Dole to be actual aliens, in response to one man’s suggestion that he’d be voting third party.

  6. From worst to best:
    Guiliani (he scares the shit out of me)
    Huckabee
    Edwards
    Clinton/McCain (tie to be determined by a coin toss)
    Romney
    Obama
    Paul

  7. Jon: Need to know who the Third Party candidates are. But the point of the game for me is to figure out who is worse not for whom I actually plan to vote.

    As the little old lady said when she was asked for whom she planned to vote: “Vote, vote! I never vote! It only encourages them!”

  8. I second robc’s list.

  9. I would generally go with the theocrat over the communist fascist. But in Huckabee’s case I think he is both. He’d probably preside over a far greater expansion of republican government than George Bush ever dreamed of doing.

    Good news is we would all be thin and strumming guitars.

  10. of the technically still-in-the race candidates…

    Ron Paul > LP Nominee > Mike Gravel > Kucinich > Romney > write-in > Edwards > Obama > Rudy > McCain > Clinton > Huckabee

    I feel nauseous…

  11. Ron,

    Then I need help – How do I consider who is worse between two candidates I would never consider voting for? To me, they are both equally bad. There is always a 3rd or 4th or 5th or Cynthia McKinney party option.

    Hmmm…I would vote McKinney (for the humor value) before any of the ones I include in “the rest”.

  12. robc, I’d put Mitt at the top of “the rest.”

    In the same vein, I’d probably vote Obama over Huckabee over Hillary. Of course, it’s a moot point as they’re all below the point at which I’d vote “None of the Above” ala Brewster’s Millions.

  13. Should I plan on making a “Dont blame me – I voted McKinney” bumper sticker?

  14. Paul > Jello Biafra write-in > Romney > Everyone else…

  15. As the little old lady said when she was asked for whom she planned to vote: “Vote, vote! I never vote! It only encourages them!”

    This is my strategy. Who is worse, though…Giuliani and Huck are pretty awful. Clinton is also awful, but not as scary. Obama has good charisma, but his policies suck. Edwards is awful. Romney is not too bad, but he would probably keep the war going.

    They all suck.

  16. Of the remaining candidates in the field with a chance of winning their party’s nomination (Clinton, Obama, and Edwards for the Dems, Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, and McCain for the GOP), I would rank them as follows:

    Romney
    McCain
    Clinton
    Giuliani
    Obama
    Huckabee
    Edwards

    Sadly, none are much of a choice, although I consider there to be a pretty sizable gap between Romney and McCain, and then again between Huckabee and Edwards.

  17. Ron Paul
    Obama
    Romney
    McCain
    Clinton
    Rudy
    Edwards
    Huckabee

  18. I’d second Mo’s list, with Obama quite a bit higher (higher being more distasteful). However, that has a lot to do with me owning a number of firearms, most black, not pretty wood ones.

    I just don’t trust a guy that presents himself as a hallmark card. Hillary I trust to be Hillary, at least we know what’s coming, and I believe she’s much more of a pragmatist than people give her credit for.

  19. If Paul is not on the ballot I’ll vote for whoever will bring about a major collapse faster.I think Clinton would be that candidate. Major expansion of government programs, a guarenteed Keynsian in the FED, continued war in Iraq and maybye even some humanitarian missions i.e. Darfur. Not to mention socialized medicine etc etc. Let’s get it over with and then we can rebuild. Buy Gold.

  20. Jackstraw,

    I’ll vote for whoever will bring about a major collapse faster

    Yet another reason to vote McKinney. I cant think of anything that would lead to us starting over from scratch any faster.

  21. Presidential Candidate Ranking Game at our dumb wiki.

    My best arbitrary choices as of now:
    1 Paul
    2 Obama
    3 Romney
    4 Clinton
    5 McCain
    6 Guiliani
    7 Edwards
    8 Huckabee

  22. Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

  23. Ranked favorite to least favorite to most vomit-inducing:

    Wayne Root
    Ron Paul
    Mike Gravel
    Dennis Kucinich
    Barack Obama
    Mitt Romney
    John McCain
    Hillary Clinton
    Huckleberry Hound
    Rudy Giuliani

  24. With the exception of Huckabilly, I’d take any of them over the choice I’ve got: Harper, Dion, & Layton.

  25. Hale — Good point on Wayne Root. Haven’t been an LP member for a long time; live in a state where he probably won’t be on the ballot; but he’s the only other person I would vote for besides Paul. I think he will/would be a good candidate.

    Otherwise, I agree with the general consensus that puts Clinton and Giuliani near the bottom.

  26. Wrost to Best:

    Giuliani
    Huckabee
    Romney
    McCain
    Clinton
    Edwards
    Sleeping in on Election Day
    Paul
    Gravel
    Kucinich
    Obama

  27. Paul
    Dead squirrel
    Romney/Obama (between these two, I’d say “whoever’s party isn’t controlling Congress” but if you made me pick with a split Congress, I’d say Romneybot.)
    Talk seriously about leaving the country
    Clinton
    McCain
    Actually leave the country
    Huckabee
    John the Unicorn Bringer
    Rudy the Brave

  28. Level 1: could live with
    Obama

    Level 1.5: would say, “whatever”
    Bloomberg

    Level 2: unhappy with, possibly a bit frightened at the prospect of
    Clinton
    Paul
    Rudy G.

    Level 3: pants-fillingly terrified might happen; gates of hell opening; Canada beckons
    Edwards
    Romney
    Huckabee
    McCain

  29. Best to worst –

    1) Ron Paul
    2) Barack Obama
    3) John McCain
    3) Mitt Romney
    3) Hillary Clintom
    6) Mike Gravel
    7) Dennis Kucinich
    23) John Edwards
    99) Mike Huckabee
    762) Rudy Giuliani

    I’m not considering third party this November. Yet. It seems likely that one of the two major parties will nominate someone I despise, fear or both, forcing me to vote for someone I just don’t really like or support.

  30. pants-fillingly terrified might happen

    Had i the power to grant victory, Ethan would have won the thread.

    Alas, I do not.

    Carry on.

  31. I would consider voting for Obama or Romneybot against the “bowels of hell” bracket, and I’d be thrilled to vote Paul.

    Otherwise, we’re just biding our time til I vote LP and regret it.

  32. Paul >>> Obama >> Romney > Giuliani/McCain/Clinton > Huckabee/Edwards

    / denotes a tie that I wouldn’t consider worth breaking between Dems and Reps.

    I am actively seeking employment in Canada. No joke.

  33. From worst to “first,” including a couple no longer with us, and with the caveat that this is purely academic since I won’t be voting anyway.

    Huckabee
    Edwards
    Kucinich
    Clinton
    Giuliani
    Obama
    McCain
    Romney
    Richardson
    Thompson
    Paul

  34. Ron Paul
    Wayne Allyn Root
    (big gap)
    Mit Romney
    (gap)
    Mike Huckabee
    Kucinich
    John Mccain
    Guliani
    (gap)
    Clinton
    Obama Edwards

  35. Here’s my ranking (best to worst):
    1. Paul
    2. Romney
    3. LP

    Will not vote for anything below here:
    4. Huckabee
    4. Clinton
    5. Rudy
    6. Obama
    7. Edwards
    8. McCain

  36. Oooohh…if Paul doesn’t get on the ballot. I’m writting in Dead squirrel. Who cares who wins at that point. But imagine Wolf Blitzer announcing “CNN now can project Hillary Clinton in a land slide victory followed by ..ahhemm..uh..Dead Squirrel..followed by Huckabee.”Dead squirrel lawn signs, bumperstickers.

  37. Best to worst, with gaps for drop offs.

    Kubby

    Paul * (voted for in primary)

    Root / Gravel /Obama

    Thompson / Kucinich

    Romney

    Clinton / McCain

    Edwards / Huckabee / Giuliani

  38. pants-fillingly terrified might happen

    Legate Damar, no reason to be timid. I second your declaration of Ethan as the thread winner.

  39. Tier 1: Will Remain in the Country
    Obama
    Paul

    Tier 2: Would Think about Leaving, but Stay Anyways
    McCain

    Tier 3: I Hear Switzerland’s Nice….
    Huckabee (Wouldn’t be able to do much of anything domestically and would be a modest improvement on foreign policy – not a high bar, I know)
    Edwards (See Huckabee)

    Tier 4: They Can’t Reach Me On Easter Island, Right?
    Hillary (Nixon in a Pantsuit)
    Giuliani (Nixon Squared)
    Romney (Would make Cheney’s view of Executive Power look quaint)

  40. My ranking from worst to best:

    10. Arthur J. Smith (SENSIBLE PARTY)

    9. Jethro Q. Walrustitty (SILLY PARTY)

    8. Alan Jones (SENSIBLE PARTY)

    7. Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-

    6. F’tang-F’tang-Ol?-Biscuitbarrel (SILLY PARTY)

    5. Kevin Phillips-Bong (SLIGHTLY SILLY PARTY)

    4. Mr Elsie ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzOOP (SILLY PARTY)

    3. James Walker (SENSIBLE PARTY)

    2. Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (sound effect of horse whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (blows whistle) Northgot Edwards Harris (fires pistol, then ‘whoop’) Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat Gilbert (sings) ‘We’ll keep a welcome in the’ (three shots, stops singing) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-drawers Pratt Thompson (sings) ‘Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head’ Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat ‘Don’t Sleep In The Subway’ Barton Mainwaring (hoot, ‘whoop’) Smith (VERY SILLY PARTY)

    1. None of the Above

  41. I will actively pursue emigration if one of the following is elected (in no particular order):

    Hillary Clinton
    John Edwards
    Rudy Giuliani
    Mike Huckabee
    Mitt Romney

    I’m not going to play the “vote for lesser evil” any longer.

  42. From first preference to last (and only including the 2 major parties)

    1 Paul
    2 Romney
    3 Obama
    4 Clinton
    5 McCain
    6 Edwards
    7 Huckabee/Giuliani

    When it comes to actual voting… unless I move to a state where it won’t automatically go to the dem nominee, I’ll prefer to sit home and drink.

  43. I suspect Hillary would very, very much be “like” GW in attempts to destroy constitutional government. Only with a little leftward bound spice. Not as much as folks think though. I think she has more in common Darth Vice president than people think, after the first assignation attempt, will probably replace the Secret Service with a blackwater type group, heralding the end of the Roman Senate (or is that the US senate?).

    Ghouliani? Well, populist facism ain’t my thing, and we can definitely expect a round of (non-racially motivated) brown shirts in a neighborhood near you. Guessing he’ll try to make China look like an open gov compared to the administration he’ll run. The only upside to him is the good relations we will have with Mother Russia. He will definitely attempt to eliminate any remaining parts of the bill of rights.

    Huck? The difference between Huck and your average Islamofacist is one of favorite books only. Figure he’ll tear down the temple to bring the prophecies to fruition. Expect the worst sci-fi writers can imagine.

    McCain? Something about him is just scaring the bejesus out of me lately. Used to think he was harmless. Maybe he’s the Manchurian candidate? It’s the only explanation I can come up with.

    Edwards? I suspect harmless in the end, a populist without a lot of populism, I really do suspect congress will spend all it’s time fighting him. Keeping them off of my back.

    Obama? Don’t know, but I have to admit, I’m not actually afraid of him. And he smokes. Gawd damn, it’s gonna be pitiful if I vote based on who I can bum a cig off of.

    Pitiful in the end, I’ll be voting on who wants to destroy liberty and the pursuit of happiness LEAST.

    Pitiful.

  44. 1. Obama
    2. Kucinich
    3. Clinton
    4. Edwards
    5. McCain
    6. Huckabee
    7. Romney
    ——————–
    911. Giuliani

  45. Ecstatic:

    Ron Paul

    Happy:

    Obama

    Kucinich (Id just be funny! Maybe he can still pull the MUFON vote. yuk yuk)

    Meh:

    Chinsty McChiBot

    McCain

    Depressed:

    Lady President

    Hairdo

    Suicidal:

    Fuckabee

    Rudy Soprano

    If the last two leave, Im leaving the country, as I did when The Decider took office.

  46. Level 3: pants-fillingly terrified might happen; gates of hell opening; Canada beckons

    Out of the frying pan, into the fire?

  47. 1) Ron Paul
    2) Barack Obama
    3) John McCain
    3) Mitt Romney
    3) Hillary Clintom
    6) Mike Gravel
    7) Dennis Kucinich
    23) John Edwards
    99) Mike Huckabee
    762) Rudy Giuliani

    Me too, me too!

  48. If you’re like me and the war and civil liberties are the primary issues to you, the choices are almost clear…

    Paul > Kucinich > Obama > Edwards > Clinton > McCain > Huckabee > Romney > Rudy

  49. Worst to First

    Huckabee (I just can’t handle any more big spending Republican Christian evangelists)
    Giuliani
    McCain (100 fucking years? WTF?!)
    Edwards
    Romney
    Obama
    Clinton (I hate her but Republicans deserve the discomfort and I don’t mind armed revolution, so…)
    Paul

  50. Having a hard time grasping the high ranking Obama is getting here.

    So far as I can tell, he’s basically a standard-issue Dem on policy, peddling a Dem version of Bush’s “New Tone.”

    I can’t imagine that he would do anything to advance any libertarian issue, and could be counted on to do such unlibertarian things as raise taxes and spending.

  51. Serious question, why all the support for Obama? His speeches are void filled platitudes for the most part, he’s pro socialized medicine, pro-mucking about with corporatations, pro-tax, anti gay marraige (though pro “civil union”, whatever that means), voted in favor of the patriot act, and is so strongly anti second amendment he openly espouses outlawing handguns entirely. Finally, Hillary is right, he does tend to vote “present” on issues he doesn’t want to deal with later. A lot do, I understand, but have some balls.

    I understand people want to get out of Iraq, but is this really the package you want? I don’t see McCain as nearly as damaging on the whole, nor Hillary for that matter (as long as people made her feel like she’s in charge).

  52. I can’t imagine that he would do anything to advance any libertarian issue, and could be counted on to do such unlibertarian things as raise taxes and spending.

    R C Dean –
    That can be said about just about every other candidate too. This is about the LESSER of evils 🙂

  53. Laughing:

    Kucinich (Come on, we’d be out of the war, plus think of all the fun when he forces all the churches to unionize!)

    Resigned:

    Paul (I’m pro choice and pro appologize if your name is on stupid shit, but anti-war)
    Obama (Scary with a majority, but the congressional GOP might actually keep him somewhat in check a la Clinton)

    Scared:

    McCain
    Giuliani

    Real scared:

    Romney

    That pants thing that Ethan said:

    Clinton

    That pants thing plus drink til I don’t know my name:

    Edwards
    Huckabee

  54. My anti-Dondero ranking:

    Paul
    Smith
    Jingozian
    Kubby
    NOTA
    McCain
    Gravel
    Phillies
    Kucinich
    Romney
    Obama
    Root
    Edwards
    Root Canal
    Hilliani
    Cox

  55. RC Dean/Other Matt – his stances on open government and executive power are the main reason why I rank him above most of the Republicans.

    Whether or not he would actually keep his word is another matter.

  56. 1. Paul
    2. LP nominee
    3. Gravel/Kucinich
    5. The rest

  57. This is about as pointless as life gets.

  58. Of the top of my head, from least objectionable to most:

    Paul
    Obama (Not that I love his policies, but maybe it will get some of the race baiters to lessen the rhetoric. Please note that I am racially mixed, so the preferred insult would be buji(sp?) sellout, not paleolib)

    Clinton/Romney (I agree that Clinton is more pragmatic than people give her credit for, but I have a kneejerk reaction against dynastic politics. Romney seems like a relatively capable administrator, which would be a nice change).

    McCain
    Edwards/Huckabee/Guiliani: Too Populist/Fundamentalist/Authoritarian
    But the point is to rank,right, so:

    Edwards
    Guiliani
    Huckabee (As a converted Catholic who was raised in evangelical churches, I am not anti-christianity per se, but I am generally of the belief that it has nothing to tell us about politics)

    Also:
    If Paul is not on the ballot I’ll vote for whoever will bring about a major collapse faster. . .Let’s get it over with and then we can rebuild. Buy Gold.

    I express no opinion on gold as an investment option, but if a collapse is coming, maybe it would be better to buy guns, canned food, medicine, gasoline, etc. That way when it arrives, you can sell the truly important things to the people who just have gold 🙂

  59. Positives for Obama and why he might be doing well on this list:

    It means Hillary would have lost to him in the Democratic nominating process. Bonus points for that.

    He would get us out of Iraq.

    He’s read the Constitution at least once. (He might not understand it yet, but it’s a start we can work with.)

    It would piss off racists and that’s always fun.

    He might restore a little respect for the U.S. around the world, because he’s not like Bush personality-wise.

    He’s not Rudy, Hillary, Huckabee, McCain, or Edwards.

    The list was “who sucks less then this asshat” and when they are all the same except for Paul, personality means something.

  60. Voting preference (1st choice first)

    1. McCain
    2. Romney
    3. Giuliani (hope for a slight Dem majority)
    4. Bloomberg (hope for a slight Rep majority)
    5. Obama (hope for a slight Rep majority)
    6. Clinton (hope for a slight Rep majority)
    7. Bloomberg (hope for slight Rep majority)
    8. Stay home
    9. Move back to the UK
    10. Huckabee (hope for a Dem veto proof majority)
    11. Become an astronaut and move to Mars
    12. Edwards (hope for a Rep veto proof majority)
    13. Kucinich (give me a break)
    14. Paul (give me a break)

  61. I couldn’t make up my mind about Bloomberg.

  62. There’s PAUL and then there’s We are so fucked.

  63. He’s read the Constitution at least once. (He might not understand it yet, but it’s a start we can work with.)

    Voted FOR the “Patriot Act”, wants to ban all semi automatics and handguns, what the hell gives you this idea?

    He’s not Rudy, Hillary, Huckabee, McCain, or Edwards.

    Of that list, I think Hillary would at least be somewhat more pragmatic, Rudy is scary, McCain is more moderate IMHO, Huckabee is marginally less scary than Rudy simply because of the attitude difference, though he thinks he has god on his side so perhaps not.

  64. OMalleySuxs-We should have lunch some time.

  65. From first to last:
    1. Paul
    2. Romney
    3. Obama
    4. Mccain
    5. Edwards
    6. Clinton
    7. Guiliani
    8. Huckabee

    Paul is an obvious first choice, but being that he has no chance at securing the Repub nomination . . . Romney makes me want puke, but the rest, in ascending order, make me want to flee the country after puking, self-mutilation and a random act of useless protest.

  66. I also cannot understand why Obama is doing so well on this board, he is a socialist with charisma…that means he will have a better time getting his agenda passed then pretty much anyone else…this scares me sooo much.

  67. Romney
    Giuliani
    Obama
    McCain
    Huckabee
    Hillary
    Edwards

  68. If I had to choose among serious candidates who still have a chance (Paul doesn’t, but neither does Edwards), I’d go with experience governing and reasonable doubt of utter incompetence. So, from best to worst:

    Romney (so-so governor of Mass.)

    Guiliani (overrated, authoritarian mayor of NYC)

    Huckabee (buffoon governor of Ark. which has fewer people than NYC; please, no more southern governors!)

    McCain (aging senator with hair-trigger temper with no actual experience in an administration)

    Obama (young senator with no actual experience in an administration)

    Clinton (ruined everything she touched in her husband’s administration–and learned nothing from it)

  69. best to worst:
    Paul
    Obama
    HRC
    Romney
    Guiliani
    Huckabee
    McCain
    Edwards

  70. RC,
    For me it comes down to this. Everyone is less of a scary fascist than Rudy. Everyone else is less of scary nanny/theocrat than Huckabee. All that are left are less of a commie than Edwards. McCain is a rough and tumble militarist, that destroys those that oppose him and does not believe in the first amendment. Which is about equal to Hillary who will enact the worst policies that are popular at a time and will trample over whoever opposes her. Both of these options are scarier than an animatronic doll that has no true beliefs so could be a competent free-marketer or a theocrat war-monger (who is at least competent). All the above are no worse than a standard issue Dem that pushes for greater transparency in government. Nothing too egregious about him. Electing him would likely improve race and international relations significantly. So while the man is relatively unimpressive as a candidate, as a symbol he’s got upside. Besides, for once we’d have a prez that was honest about drug use.

    I don’t get the love for Hillary here. She’s all the bad of Barack, but worse.

    Of course, Ron Paul is much better than them all. That’s why he got my money and will get my primary vote.

  71. I will vote for Obama if the other option is either Romney or Huckabilly. If Obama gets smart and adds Richardson to his ticket, I may be able to do it without holding my nose.

    If the impossible happens and Guiliani gets the Repub nomination then I don’t care who the Dem is, it could be Edwards even, I will vote Dem.

    If the Dem is Hilary or Edwards and/or the Republican is McCain/Romney, I’ll vote LP.

    If the LP candidate turns out to be a Paleo, then I’m leaving the country.

  72. Best to Worst:

    Paul
    Romney’s Rhetoric
    Obama
    Romney’s Voting Record
    McCain
    Ghoulianni
    Clinton
    Huckabee
    Edwards

  73. Humor me and “immortalize” your choice here.

    Then we can look back with uncomfortable clarity at our own folly in four years or so.

  74. I should probably say that I still support Paul and even gave him a little $ again on MLK day.

    Also, I should admit that I can’t actually afford to leave the country.

  75. For me it comes down to this. Everyone is less of a scary fascist than Rudy.

    yup.

    regardless of what happens, at least that pile of shit is getting nowhere near a seat of power on a national scale. (or ever again, i hope.)

  76. All of em are worse then what ever the Libertarian party puts up for their candidate.

    If Paul wins the republican nomination i guess i will have to do some soul searching.

    But lets say by some hypothetical that i must vote for someone other then Ron Paul or the Libertarian candidate.

    the list goes something like this:

    Joshua Corning
    My dad
    My mom
    My Eldest Brother
    My Sister in Law
    A guy who works in the office with me
    My buddy
    My other buddy
    My other buddies wife (not even sure she is over 35)
    My buddy who lives in seattle
    My buddy who lives in seattle’s wife
    Romney
    Anyone of the some 200 million+ eligible population of The US (Write-ins rock!)
    Guilani
    joe (the reason commenter not Biden)
    Obama
    McCain
    Huckabee
    Hillary
    Edwards

  77. If the LP candidate turns out to be a Paleo, then I’m leaving the country.

    You would vote for a Democrat holding your nose, but you would leave the country if the LP merely ran a candidate you don’t like? Wow, you cosmos have really gone off the deep end.

  78. You would vote for a Democrat holding your nose, but you would leave the country if the LP merely ran a candidate you don’t like? Wow, you cosmos have really gone off the deep end.

    Probably has a lot to do with the childishness of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

  79. Probably has a lot to do with the childishness of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

    Or it was a joke making fun of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

  80. Or it was a joke making fun of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

    Perhaps I wasn’t clear…that’s kind of what I meant. Sorry. Like “Probably has a lot to do with the childishness…” as in spoofing it.

  81. Reasons why I’m giving Obama some (relative) love:

    1. He has a history of desiring transparent governance. Given that the last two administrations have been 2 of the 3 most secretive since WW2, that’s a positive. Even if he fails here (relatively), he won’t be worse than Bush. And that’s more than I can say about McCain, Egghead, or Hillary.

    2. He seems to genuinely believe that he can change things in Washington. Since we know he can’t, at least he’ll spend a chunk of his term being stymied while finding this out. Better gridlock than a competent deal-cutter getting things done.

    3. That’s all I got, but that’s still more than most of the other options. This field sucks.

  82. Given that a lot of republicans have announced they are retiring from congress, it seems highly unlikely that the republicans can take the house or the senate. So my guess it that the least damage will occur if the android fomerly known as Mitt takes the presidency.

  83. Worst to best:

    Huckabee
    Edwards
    Rudy
    McCain = Hillary I despise them equally.
    Romney
    Obama

    God, that’s depressing.

  84. Ranking the worst:

    Huckabee — combines the worst aspects of fundmentalist moralizing with we-know-better-than-you progressive policies

    Guiliani — you will submit!

    Edwards — combines the worst aspects of we-know-better-than-you progressive policies with southern/hick social moralizing (bizarro Huckabee)

    Clinton — LBJ without the personality.

    The good news is that Huckabee and Edwards seem to be well on the way to oblivion. And after Florida, Guiliani will be booking his tickets home.

    That leaves us with the very real possibility of HRC ruling the white house with democrats in control of both the house and the senate.

    I so look forward to seeing the last 20 years of working hard to achieve a comfortable life get flushed down the toilet.

  85. To be honest, I’ve been wanting to travel anyway.

  86. Legate:
    I’m no fan of anyone in particular other than RP. I’m just honestly incredulous with this Obama love. The man’s record just doesn’t support much that I feel is right, and what I believe people on this board espouse as good and just and all that teary eye’d stuff. Further, people make statements like you did here:

    He seems to genuinely believe that he can change things in Washington. Since we know he can’t, at least he’ll spend a chunk of his term being stymied while finding this out. Better gridlock than a competent deal-cutter getting things done.

    How do you arrive at this conclusion that he sincerely wants change? I see nothing which indicates he wants to change anything other than votes going against his particular agenda. I’ve listened to him speak, he rarely says anything of value, has a bunch of platitudes about change and feeling good and Rodney King quotes thinly veiled, and nothing else. Hillary at least has some substance, not that it’s any more palatable. When you get throught he bullshit frosting on Obama, and actually start reading the stuff on his website on positions (allowing for what is really being said as opposed to how it’s being said), if I had any hair left it would be standing on end.

    Y’all are fine loving him, I just am quite amazed by this, seriously. Romney will pander to the middle as that way people will focus more on his hair, McCain gets hot, true, but he calls people on bullshit at least 20% of the time with it, but either of the two I see as much preferable to Obama’s agenda.

    I really wish we had a black male or female who wasn’t as distasteful, just so we could get all that black/white bullshit behind us.

  87. He’s read the Constitution at least once. (He might not understand it yet, but it’s a start we can work with.)

    Voted FOR the “Patriot Act”, wants to ban all semi automatics and handguns, what the hell gives you this idea?

    —I said that because he has a background in Constitutional law, but I threw in the part about not understanding it for the reasons you gave. Besides, does anyone think he’d be able to ban the guns? Does anyone think this is a possibility at a national level at all? Even with a Dem Congress it wouldn’t get 60 votes in the Senate and pass SCOTUS challenges.

    The thing I worry about is that the GOP candidates that remain (save for Paul) all have center/bipartisan tendencies, Huckabee likes social welfare programs and tax-raising, Romney just wants to be president and have his picture taken signing bills into law and is known to compromise, McCain is practically sleeping with Democrats on all his legislation, and Giuliani will trade social program approval for more police-state power. If we’re gonna end up with any of those, I’d just as soon see Obama be president because it would piss off the Republicans who screwed us by not nominating Paul. It matters very little who is elected if not Paul, so why not have some fun at the expense of the people I despise the most, namely Republicans, Hillary, and racists?

  88. I never said I would vote for him. I will vote for Ron Paul, LP if I like the candidate, or write-in someone I respect. Relax.

  89. >

    LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  90. 1. Thompson write-in
    2. Paul
    3. McCain (hoping that he picks Thompson as VP and, in a “Maverick” moment, resigns just after taking the oath)
    4. Obama
    5a. The alien who keeps harrassing Dennis Kucinich
    5b. Dennis Kucinich’s Wife
    5c. Dennis Kucinich
    6. “Mr. Fantastic,” Mitt Romney
    7. Huckabee
    8. John from the Mill
    9. Goldwater Village Girl
    10. Ferret boy

  91. First to worst

    1 Ron Paul
    2 LP (Root or other)
    3 Rudolph Giuliani
    4 Mike Gravel
    5 Barrack Obama
    6 Mitt Romney
    7 John McCain
    8 George W. Bush
    9 Mike Huckabee
    10 Hillary Clinton
    11 Michael Bloomberg
    12 Cinthia McKinney
    13 John Edwards

  92. Best to worst:

    Paul
    Obama
    Clinton/Romney Poll Driven Monster Person
    McCain
    Edwards
    Rooody
    Huckabee
    Lamar
    McKinney

  93. Ron Paul – He might be a racist but he’s OUR racist
    Obama – End the war, civil liberties, yadda yadda
    Gravel – Too kooky to do any damage
    McCain – Told the farm interests to suck it, which was impressive
    Giuliani – The tax-cutting war-monger
    Hillary – Hey, Bill governed moderately. There’s hope.
    Kucinich – Hey, at least the war would be over
    Romney – Universal health care, auto handouts, farm subsidies, how is this guy conservative again?
    Huckabee.

    Did I miss anyone?

  94. Ron Paul
    McCain
    Obama
    Lib candidate
    Gravel
    Romney

  95. I’d like to poll delegates for Ron Paul as to who their 2nd & 3rd choices are, because that’s how they’ll probably be voting at the convention.

    As to my badness ranking among likely candidates, nobody else is really close to Giuliani. Next it would be close between McCain & Clinton. After them, Edwards. And then none of the remainder do I see as threatening, not even Huckabee. However, I would prefer Romney to Huckabee, and I would vote for either of them against Obama.

    Bloomberg, I just don’t know. I might vote for him just to get rid of him as mayor. He might do less damage if he concentrates on foreign affairs.

  96. Paul (He’s either a bigot or a bad manager, but he’s a libertarian)
    Romney (It’s a sad thing when second best is so bad)
    McCain (At least I could say the President gave my commencement)
    Obama (Great style, poor substance, that which I can pin down)
    Clinton (Possibly 28 years of rule by 2 families, true meritocracy)
    Huckabee (Socially conservative big government, shoot me)
    Edwards (I just absolutely detest everything about this man)

  97. Also note that McCain told Detroit that the jobs ain’t coming back (which anyone with half a brain cell will admit) and got whacked across the head with a 2 x 4 for truth-telling.

    The US will continue to slide downhill until the US populace starts voting against politicians who promise them ponies and cakewalk victories and start rewarding those who tell them the truth. I was hoping this time around that the strong news was acceptable–oh well.

    America: being gullible in our elections since…?

  98. Nick-As I said, I’m not arguing, just surprised, and trying to understand as I really haven’t heard Obama say anything of stubstance. Ever. It’s all “We need change, feel good, go forth, love me” followed by bullshit. Even now, he tries to deflect his “present” votes which Hillary pounds him on, and still has nothing of substance to say. On health care, he says he’d start with single payer if he had to start again, meaning….? He thinks people should have coverage, meaning….?

    What civil liberties is Obama such a champion of? You mentioned the firearms part, which shows he avoids the 2nd amend (I count that as a “civil liberty”, personally). Regardless of whether he could pull it off, this shows a blatent disrespect for the Constitution, at least the Bill of Rights. He is against gay marraige, though I grant that I’m against all marraige as far as the govt is concerned so you can probably put me in that hopper myself. I guess he said something like the people who are facing punishment should have rights under the constitution, which is no great leap except for Bush’s Atty Gen. Where is the big civil liberties he has over others? He’s “Pro choice” I’m sure, but that’s a basic ticket punch for the Dems, so there’s no great civil liberties espousing there.

    I guess what’s left is “get us out of Iraq”, which we’ll probably declare victory and leave soon anyway just out of financial practicality.

    The US will continue to slide downhill until the US populace starts voting against politicians who promise them ponies and cakewalk victories and start rewarding those who tell them the truth

    This I agree with, though I guess that’s because I have my own view of what “the truth” entails, and there are bound to be problems with what others view as “the truth.”

  99. Paul(crazy but in a good way)
    Romney(maybe he is the callous businessman who doesn’t care about “income inequality” the media pretends he is. We can only hope.)
    McCain(bland, but so was Eisenhower, and he was okay)
    Huckabutt(hey, at least he hates the IRS)
    Clinton(I don’t think she actually believes much of the crap she’s spewing)
    Obama(When you’ve reached the bottom, who cares?
    Edwards(Just to show it can always be worse.)

  100. Bloomberg, I just don’t know. I might vote for him just to get rid of him as mayor. He might do less damage if he concentrates on foreign affairs.

    Ack! Robert, let’s make a deal, you keep your garbage at home, and don’t vote for Bloomberg, and I’ll do the same and not vote for O’Malley four years from now.

  101. Ron Paul
    LP Candidate
    Tobycat (write in)
    Not Voting

  102. Is Calvin Coolidge on the ballot this year? I liked him, he didn’t do anything. Good man.

  103. Ron Paul (i can dream)
    Fred Thompson (atleast pretends at federalism)
    John McCain (enough people hate him that he’d spend most of his presidency fighting in washington)
    Barak Obama (amorphous hope maybe good, maybe bad)
    Mitt Romney (Mr. Republican, no soul, but has a brain)
    Hillary Clinton (Evil, but a known quantity)
    Mike Huckabee (No brain, evil I don’t know)
    John Edwards (No brain, no soul, pretty much 99% hair)
    Rudy Giuliani (Paging Lucifer, one of your minions escaped)

  104. What a depressing game this is turning out to be. For the first time in a number of years, I won’t actually be working the election this year. I may stay home and load magazines and drink.

    Best to worst

    Paul – Only guy trying to slow down the train
    LP Candidate – gotta be better than the current crop of D&R midgets
    McKinney – comedy gold, folks
    Kucinich – Useless tool who’d be harmless
    Romney – pragmatic
    Clinton – pragmatic to a fault
    Obama – no substance
    Edwards – redistribute wealth as long as I keep mine
    Huckabeest – too religious to be the guy with the football
    McCain – already enamored of gutting my rights, no more power for you
    Giuliani – repulsive fascist

    I figure by the time the night’s over I’ll be chugging bourbon straight from the bottle and screaming at the TV about voting with a bullet until the wife clubs me into silence.

  105. Paul
    Probably the LP Candidate
    Romney
    McCain
    Guilani
    Obama
    Huckabee
    Clinton
    Edwards

    The last four on my list are flaming socialists, so there is no way they get my vote. There is a huge drop off after Paul though and there would be some nose holding to vote for the rest.

  106. Ack. Hadn’t seen Obama’s view of gun control. Ban semi automatics? Ban guns in the inner city? What the hell is that?

    I guess that moves Robo Romney to number 1 …

  107. When I took the VoteMatch quiz here , I got these amusing results — apparently I prefer the candidates widely regarded as nutcases by the MSM:

    Total 45%
    Social 31%
    Economic 54%
    John Cox
    Chairman of Cook County (IL) Republican Party

    Total 45%
    Social 31%
    Economic 54%
    Alan Keyes

    Total 43%
    Social 38%
    Economic 46%
    Ron Paul

    Total 40%
    Social 44%
    Economic 38%
    Mike Gravel

    Total 38%
    Social 50%
    Economic 29%
    Dennis Kucinich

    Total 35%
    Social 50%
    Economic 25%
    Hillary Clinton

    Total 35%
    Social 38%
    Economic 33%
    Mike Huckabee

    Total 35%
    Social 19%
    Economic 46%
    Mitt Romney

    Total 33%
    Social 50%
    Economic 21%
    Cynthia McKinney

    Total 30%
    Social 13%
    Economic 42%
    Rudy Giuliani

    Total 28%
    Social 25%
    Economic 29%
    John McCain

    Total 25%
    Social 25%
    Economic 25%
    Barack Obama

    Total 23%
    Social 19%
    Economic 25%
    John Edwards

    If you just consider the economic ratings, you get an ordering closer to my actual voting preferences (with the exception of Giuliani and Keyes):

    Economic 54%
    John Cox
    Chairman of Cook County (IL) Republican Party

    Economic 54%
    Alan Keyes

    Economic 46%
    Ron Paul

    Economic 46%
    Mitt Romney

    Economic 42%
    Rudy Giuliani

    Economic 38%
    Mike Gravel

    Economic 33%
    Mike Huckabee

    Economic 29%
    Dennis Kucinich

    Economic 29%
    John McCain

    Economic 25%
    Hillary Clinton

    Economic 25%
    Barack Obama

    Economic 25%
    John Edwards

    Economic 21%
    Cynthia McKinney

  108. JasonL-You are doing a wonderful job of showing my point. I don’t think anyone knows that’s his position, because of the platitudes and lack of substance in what he says. That’s why I’m mystified with so many people thinking he’s great here.

  109. Rudy Giuliani (Paging Lucifer, one of your minions escaped)

    Dammit, LIT, have you ever heard the Jeff Foxworthy routine about the milk that he “USED to be drinking” and how he made it across the room via the nose…

  110. I’m amazed that Romney is getting so many passes here. Some of the most profoundly retarded things that have been said at either party’s debates have come out of his mouth.

    You think Barack is a socialist? Do you remember what came out of Romney’s mouth after McCain said that some jobs weren’t coming back to Michigan? That was some straight communist shit. Double Guantanamo? The president keeping us alive is the only civil liberty that we should be worried about?

  111. apparently I prefer the candidates widely regarded as nutcases by the MSM

    Alan Keyes is considered a nutcase by any right thinking person.

  112. Romney(maybe he is the callous businessman who doesn’t care about “income inequality” the media pretends he is. We can only hope.)

    I had not thought about it that way.

    I might just vote for Romney before I vote for my buddy in Seattle’s wife.

  113. Alan Keyes is considered a nutcase by any right thinking person.

    I think someone who is espousing Hayakian economics being called a nutcase by the media for 20 years has a greater then 50% chance of actually becoming a nutcase.

    Ya he is a nutcase…but he has an excuse.

  114. From bad to worst.

    Paul
    LP Candidate
    Mike Gravel
    Obama
    The Great Juju and His Big Ball of Twine
    McCain
    Giuliani
    Clinton
    Huckabee
    Edwards
    Romney
    McCain
    Kucinich
    Romney

    When I took the VoteMatch quiz here , I got these amusing results — apparently I prefer the candidates widely regarded as nutcases by the MSM:

    You’re on a fucking libertarian blog, mate.

  115. Oops, let me revise my list quickly.

    Paul
    LP Candidate
    Gravel
    Obama
    The Great Juju and His Big Ball of Twine
    McCain
    Giuliani
    Clinton
    Huckabee
    Edwards
    Romney
    Kucinich

  116. I think Obama should poll pretty high on the ‘I can live with him’ list because he was also one of the sponsors of the bill to make congresscritters acknowledge their earmarks AND have them in a searchanble online database.

    I remember thinking back then, when his candidacy was just a rumor ‘man fuck the presidency, we need to keep his ass in the senate to do more stuff like that.’

    But maybe he could do more stuff like that as president?

  117. (shorter version)

    Ron Paul
    (Huge gap)
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  118. (Continuation of gap)
    g
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  119. 2. The others except for Hiiiary and Rudy
    3. Hillary and Rudy

  120. If Romney wants to break a little above the others he’s grouped with, he needs to have a plan to leave Iraq and start digging Adam Smith.

    If Obama wants to break above that group, he needs to go beyond praising Reagan and start praising Hayek.

  121. RP
    LP Candidate

    I will not give someone who plans to stab me in back my vote simply to prevent someone else from shooting me in the gut. So once RP is out of the race I’ll probably vote for the Libertarian Party candidate (who will lose). I know I’m going to get raped but I’m at least gonna spray the bastard with mace before he sticks it in.

  122. best to worst:
    paul
    gravel
    obama
    kucinich
    an inanimate carbon rod
    edwards
    human feces
    hillary
    animal feces
    thompson
    mccain
    being forced to eat animal feces
    romney/rudy

    my guiding principle: if the pres doesn’t restore civil liberties and pull out of iraq lickety split, we’re up the creek fo shizzle

    romney may be a gifted businessman, but be very, very afraid of the prospect of his presidency

  123. addendum: huckabee is tied with rudy/romney

  124. “I know I’m going to get raped but I’m at least gonna spray the bastard with mace before he sticks it in.”

    Not to shit on your riff, CS, but this is like the gnat saying he’s going to mace the elephant before taking in the backside. It may make the gnat feel better, but it ain’t botherin’ the elephant.

    As for candidates, HRC is probably my least favorite followed closely by the other aspiring dictators like Guiliani, McCain, Huckabee, etc. Romney just creeps me out. While I may sympathize with some of Paul’s positions, he’s just too lunatic fringe for me to take seriously. My current favorite is probably Obama, maybe just because I like the idea of an America where a “Barrack Obama” can win the presidency.

  125. Let me offer a libertarian defense of Obama:

    1. He wants to close Guantanamo.
    2. He opposed the Military Commission Act.
    3. He opposed the Iraq war resolution and he wants to withdraw.
    4. He opposes wiretapping and spying on US citizens.
    5. In the Illinois state senate he pushed through a bill that requires all police interrogations be videotaped, to discourage police brutality and coerced confessions.
    6. He sponsored a bill in the Senate to offer citizens total knowledge of how and where government money is being spent through an online database.
    7. He doesn’t want to convert to a socialized health system overnight.
    8. He’s never said anything about outlawing all guns; he’s just in favor of banning them in the inner city, where nary a hunter or rural or suburban gun enthusiast will ever have to worry about treading.

    I realize he doesn’t meet anything close to most of the requirements for a truly libertarian candidate, but, well, so it goes. The reason he’s my top choice is because he’s thoughtful, reasoned, and pragmatic, but because he’s an inspiring orator or makes me Hope for Change. In my opinion, he comes off much stonger in quiet interviews than during his rollicking speeches.

  126. Oops, that “but” in the next-to-last sentence should be “not.”

  127. Rank the candidates? They’re all rank except for Ron Paul.

  128. He’s never said anything about outlawing all guns; he’s just in favor of banning them in the inner city, where nary a hunter or rural or suburban gun enthusiast will ever have to worry about treading.

    Actually, yes, see here. Specifically, the section where it says:

    Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
    Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
    Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
    Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

    Also:
    The reason he’s my top choice is because he’s thoughtful, reasoned, and pragmatic, but because he’s an inspiring orator or makes me Hope for Change

    Only if you ignore the fact that he doesn’t say anything but useless feel good platitudes. I mean, love the guy if you want, but dont’ think he’s anything to cheer about. He strikes me as a cult leader personality, where people don’t actually think about what he’s saying, they just like the fact that he’s talking.

  129. Self correction..You are correct, he does not say “all” guns, which is a canard held out by the Brady crowd. Banning all semi automatics counts to me.

  130. Mortimer Peacock,

    Well, Obamaa is lots better than Hillary.

    Obama’s anti-war/foreign policy positions are better than all the Dem candidates except for Kucinich, but not nearly as good as Ron Paul’s.

    He opposes wiretapping and spying on US citizens.
    In the Illinois state senate he pushed through a bill that requires all police interrogations be videotaped, to discourage police brutality and coerced confessions.

    Very good! And his willingness to say good things about Reagan MIGHT indicate that be is willing to reject his knee-jerk liberal reach for bigger government in response to every economic problem. (The vast majority of which are caused by big government in the first place.)

    However:

    He doesn’t want to convert to a socialized health system overnight.

    That’s cold comfort.

    And check ot his NTU ratings for total spending. He’s a very big spender/big government guy. He gets F’s:

    http://www.ntu.org/main/components/ratescongress/details_all_years.php3?senate_id=180

    There is no economic freedom libertarian case to be made for Obama-only a case in foreign policy and civil liberties.

  131. This is how I rank the candidates from best to worst.

    Ron Paul: He is wrong about some very important things. But he is right in wanting to end: The Drug War, The Income tax, the federal department of education, many of the pointless and unconstitutional gun laws. Those four things are of gigantic importance.

    Fred Thompson: I don’t really know much about him other than that he has done less evil or retarded stuff that the other candidates

    Gap

    Mike Huckabee: I think he is first cousins with Bill Clinton. He is a socialist theocrat, but he has vowed to eliminate the IRS. He also has had Chuck Norris do a campaign commercial for him, which gives him some down to earthedness. His socialist programs in Arkansas have been somewhat effective. And under his dictatitorial rule we would all be thinner and nonsmokers. OK honestly the one and only thing that merits him being ranked so high, and not at the bottom of the page is that he vows to do away with the IRS.

    Huge Gap

    Obama: He is a gun grabbing socialist, with no experience governing. He does seem like a likable and honest guy. He actually might get points in my book for his non experience at governing thing, because of how wrong he is on so many issues. Not being effective is going to be a feature, not a bug. Also him winning will mean that he beat the unstoppable Hillary machine in the nomination process, that gets him some kudos. He has read the constitution, but does not understand it.

    Huge Gap

    Romney: He is a bot with no beliefs, and no integrity. If he gets elected one can hope that he makes the right decision by accident, or because it is the popular or convenient thing to do at the time.

    McCain: He is an authoritarian. He voted drafted a law that is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. He probably has not respect for the 2nd. He has a hair trigger anger problem (important for a man with his finger on the button). He has generally made an ass out of himself trying to get government involved where it has no business. I do respect him as a man greatly; I disdain him as a polititian.

    Gap

    Hillary: She is a power hungry fascist who is wrong about just about everything. She has no experience governing, and huge amounts of political cunning. She thinks she is royalty, better than other Americans, and that it is her rightful place to govern us lesser beings. She has in her political career shown disdain for the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 10th Amendments. Everything she touched when her rapist husband was in office turned to crap, and she didn’t learn from her mistakes. Well not learning from her mistakes may be a feature not a bug. My favorite thing about her is that a Republican congress would fight her tooth and nail. Also her disdain for average Americans and her disdain for the constitution, and that the average American dislikes her with a passion most of them don’t even understand, may bring about the 2nd American Revolution.

    Rudy Guliani: A RINO, He is pretty much the same as Hillary, but he is, if possible, even more corrupt. And worstly about the cross dressing New Yorker, a Republican congress will not likely fight him as they would Hillary. He also has the racist thing going on.

    Edwards: Should not be on this list as it is clear he is not really in the running anymore, and is just running for the VP slot. He would still be last on the list though, because of his economic populism.

    (Note; Ron Paul is on the list because he does have a chance though unlikely. And if he doesn’t make it on Super Tuesday, he may run 3rd party, in which case I will vote for him, knowing that I will be handing a victory to the Democrats. Fred Thompson maybe should not be on the list, because he is done, but I think that he adds to the list).
    More about why Ron Paul is at the top of the list.
    The drug war: How many innocent people must be killed to make it harder for you or your brother to get drugs?
    The income tax: Every single working Americans 4th and 5th Amendments are violated every year to keep up this monstrosity just to ensure that the Fed has no free market competition.
    The Dept of Education: Kids are graduating high school illiterate and people are denied school choice for what? Because the people in Tennessee are too ignorant to run their own education? Is the Federal Govt. really doing a good enough job to prove this true? I don’t think so.
    Gun Rights: I believe that if law enforcement is allowed to own weapons and equipment not available to other citizens, then they are not a service to their neighborhood, instead they are an occupying army. Particularly when such rules come from as far away as Washington DC.

    Mr. Anonymous’ Honorable Choices, I think are so awesome that they are worth mentioningagain:
    Mr Anonymous | January 23, 2008, 3:33pm | #
    1. Thompson write-in
    2. Paul
    3. McCain (hoping that he picks Thompson as VP and, in a “Maverick” moment, resigns just after taking the oath)
    4. Obama
    5a. The alien who keeps harassing Dennis Kucinich
    5b. Dennis Kucinich’s Wife
    5c. Dennis Kucinich
    6. “Mr. Fantastic,” Mitt Romney
    7. Huckabee
    8. John from the Mill
    9. Goldwater Village Girl
    10. Ferret boy

  132. clinton scares me like no otherr.
    she is just plain wackedd out.
    the thought of obama as president is just as scary.
    seriously thoughh, someone with Islamic background?
    hello. we just got blown up by those guys.
    how silly some people can be sometimes.
    i personally favor huckabee. think what you will, but he’s as good as we’re gonna get.
    quite frankly though, every sinlge candidate sucks big time.

  133. Including the recently departed:

    13.) Clinton (0%) creepy, socialist, hawkish, populist and Machiavellian to the core.

    12.) Edwards (5%) at least he came around on the war…

    11.) Huckabee (7.5%) statist theocrat, who at least wants to get rid of the IRS and talks about progressivism…? Terrible record though (F on fiscal responsibility).

    10.) Romney (8%) socially conservative, populist on immigration, doesn’t support government restraint. Bad record as governor, although not as bad as Huckabee’s, as far as fiscal conservativism (C). Why the hell does any libertarian support him???

    9.) Giuliani (10%) creepy, elitist and hawkish but at least socially liberal??

    8.) McCain (20%) at least he might get spending under control? And ban torture? Foreign policy is very bad.

    7.) Fred Thompson (45%) – the better of the Republican baddies.

    6.) Kucinich/Gravel/McKinney (50%) – well meaning, but stupid socialists who have at least the social /political libertarianism, and anti-war stance. Half-right.

    5.) Obama (55%) – at least he doesn’t support socializing healthcare, advocated for spending database, scores well on all the issues where liberals are libertarian and badly on 70% of the places where they aren’t. Hopefully his presidency will be filled with fluff and Congress is controlled by the Republicans.

    4.) Obama with Richardson as a running mate (60%) – that will keep Obama’s pro-tax, anti-gun policies in check. Heard Dodd was OK, too.

    3.) Richardson (65%) – good record as governor, although statist. Social liberal that’s also pro-gun and cut taxes.

    2.) Obama/Richardson with a Republican Congress

    1.) Ron Paul (80%) – not progressive enough, too populist on immigration, needs better environmental stance but other than than, mostly good.

  134. Make #2 tied with Ron Paul, maybe even above it. That’s probably my preferred situation actually.

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