Economics

Unemployed Like Me

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Blogger extraordinaire (a.k.a. film critic extraordinaire) and Hit & Run regular Alan Vanneman takes issue with a Wash Post story on long-term unemployment among the people who really matter, i.e., those more likely to read the Wash Post:

"The problem [long-term unemployment] is ensnaring a broader swath of workers than before. Once concentrated among manufacturing workers and those with little work history, education or skills, long-term unemployment is growing most rapidly among white-collar and college-educated workers with long work experience, studies have found, making the problem difficult for policymakers to address even as it grows more urgent."

OK, so far, so good. But what evidence does Mike have to prove that "long-term unemployment is growing most rapidly among white-collar and college-educated workers with long work experience"? He refers to "studies" but provides no data from them. He provides anecdotal evidence for a grand total of two workers-two! two!-both of whom departed from their last employer under less than ideal circumstances. One felt the job was a "bad fit," which could mean anything from "my boss was an idiot" to "they told me that if I didn't quit they'd fire me." Mike's other hapless victim had a "sleeping disorder," which resulted in his, well, in his not showing up for work very much. Some swath!

More Vannemanium here.

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  1. I’ll admit that it’s tough finding a job sometimes. However, it’s not so bad if you treat finding a job as a job in itself. Many people sit back and hope for something to come along. Many people also won’t “settle” for something less than their dream job. I know people like this and I get tired of hearing them complain about not finding a job.

  2. Did the guy who writes headlines get fired? If so, how long has he been out of work?

  3. I was the one writing the headlines, but the job was a “bad fit.”

    Take a look at the last dozen or so posts… I’ve been mailing it in for a while now.

  4. I know some people with education and experience who don’t have jobs. I call them “lazy”. Because they are.

  5. Could any potential uptick in the number of college-educated people who are unemployed have anything to do with the rapid increase in number of people with college educations?

  6. Grow some balls and start a biz no?

  7. Could any potential uptick in the number of college-educated people who are unemployed have anything to do with the rapid increase in number of people with college educations?

    In my opion, your full of shit!!!11!!

  8. The Washington Post is a sub-New York Times quality newspaper.

  9. Has there been a rapid uptick in the number of people with college degrees?

  10. joe – from 30 million in 1993 to 40 million in 2003. That’s a lot steeper than population growth in general.

  11. He provides anecdotal evidence for a grand total of two workers-two! two!

    TWO! TWO! TWO! TWO!
    Let’s sing a song of twooooo
    How many is two?

    One… Two
    TWO BUMS!

  12. Has there been a rapid uptick in the number of people with college degrees?

    Only if you count BA English as a college degree. I’d kill for a breakdown of which degrees the people losing their jobs tend to have. Somehow I doubt it’s math or engineering….

  13. Many people also won’t “settle” for something less than their dream job. I know people like this and I get tired of hearing them complain about not finding a job.

    Yeah,the I won’t do x, y, or z for less than $$$ crowd. I guess the whole concept that some money coming in is better than no money coming in baffles them.

    Of course, I haven’t been unemployed since I got my undergraduate degree.

  14. Well, it looks like there’s going to be a lot more unemployed people as the world markets are crashing… No wait, it’s OK, the FED is giving away money. That’ll fix it.

  15. I’m an IT Professional in NYC…been 1 4 over 23 years….

    I make now what I made 12 years ago…and my salary will ONLY go down.

    No, I’m not talking about an inflation-adjusted comparison voer the last 12 years…I’m talking actual $$$s.

    Luckly 4 me … i’m in my 40s…I saved up a penny or two…and the roof is paid.

    If and when i end up unemployable…(due to outsourcing) I will have 2 send the Mrs back 2 work…and settle 4 a lesser paying job…and even move out of NYC 2 a place w/lower cost of livin’.

    I think that we r the 1st generation in recent AMERICA that sees NO UPSIDE…just DOWNSIDE

  16. I’d kill for a breakdown of which degrees the people losing their jobs tend to have. Somehow I doubt it’s math or engineering….

    Haven’t you heard? There are NO engineering or technical jobs in this country anymore. The Hindoos have gutted our economy.

  17. The NYT will run this story every few years. They will find some Yuppie in Broklyn Heights who has been out of work for so many years but can’t find any new work in any meaningful public interest NGO type stuff. Faced with the prospect of taking a job with the evil private sector and maybe having to move to Texas or somewhere west of the Hudson River or do nothing and whine, they chose to do nothing and whine and get an NYT piece written about them. I think this kind of piece is a template on file at most big city newspapers.

  18. I think that we r the 1st generation in recent AMERICA that sees NO UPSIDE…just DOWNSIDE

    Not me. I’m in my mid-40s, and by willing to move I have increased my take-home and my position twice in 4 years. Total bump – @$50K not including benefits.

  19. I’m an IT Professional in NYC…been 1 4 over 23 years….

    I make now what I made 12 years ago…and my salary will ONLY go down.

    Maybe you just suck, Alice? I was an IT professional in NYC too. There was tons of work and most of it paid well. Consulting paid big bucks.

  20. @alice

    Perhaps the reason for your income going down is the overuse of “numbers” in place of real words.

    This IT professional is making more then he did 12 years ago. I also had my contract cut the week before christmas. In cases like this it takes me three weeks to sign up a new engagement but in this awful economy that is destroying good hard working highly educated men – it took me … oh … three weeks. And I spent half that time leveling up a new character in WoW. And I am not worried about outsourcing since for two reasons – I take the time to keep my skills up to date and in areas that are difficult to outsource and my company is the organization they would outsource your job to.

  21. Hey guys…don’t get me wrong

    I’m pretty employable…and make great money.
    I’ve spent 20 of the last 23 years as a consultant on the STREET.

    Recently, i’ve converted full time…and make the same $$$ plus bene’s. Know many people on the STREET…and can get a JOB easily.

    As good as it seems 4 me…I think things will change…4 the worst

  22. Alice, perhaps you should look for a real job.

  23. LOve ur comment Elitist Scumbag…But jobs don’t get real-er than this one.

    I’m afraid i’m in the mist of my “PROFESSIONAL mid-life crisis”

  24. I’m afraid i’m in the mist of my “PROFESSIONAL mid-life crisis”

    Been there; Done that

  25. I’m afraid i’m in the mist of my “PROFESSIONAL mid-life crisis”

    Meh. I’m in the dew of my “professional crisis”.

  26. Well, you know what these people need…

    Green-collar jobs.

  27. I graduated recently with math and hard sci degree, but since I’m on my dad’s health insurance until I’m 25, I’m gonna go ahead and try my luck at the entrepreneurial game. I’m not too worried about finding a job if my LLCing all goes bust.

  28. U know what Blueberry…GO 4 it

    I graduated in 1986 with EE degree…and there were NO EE jobs paying what CONSULTING IT was paying…so I went into CONSULTING IT…and never looked back for 20 years.

    At the time, we had a similar recession as now. Many engineers lost their jobs to outsourcing…particularly, chemical and petro engineers. The Housing market SUCKED….BLACK Monday in 1987 was NO PICNIC…yet i got thru it.

    Best of luck 2 u

  29. “his not showing up for work very much”

    Clearly a disabilty that should be addressed by government action to force someone to give this guy a salary and benefits for doing nothing.

    PS. Did Kramer have a college degree?

  30. I can’t tell if Alice has tongue firmly in cheek or not. I still need my morning coffee.

    Because people who can’t be bothered to spell out “one” or “to”, and can’t tell “midst” from “mist” are very lucky to be able to make enough money to have a house with heat and drive a car.

  31. It was a tongue-in-cheek response to BlueBerry.

  32. Unemployed people can vote??

  33. the american way: stop bitching, learn some new skills to compete with the injuns etc?

  34. During the Great Dot Boom, my neighbor moved next door from Wisconsin. This was in the heart of Silicon Valley, the epicenter of the Boom. Two months later he quit his job. For the next year he would stay home, and bitch that the US was a horrible place because he couldn’t get a job. He never submitted resumes, never left his apartment, never tried learning new skills. Other than a listing on job search engine, he did nothing to secure new employment. But he whined about his unemployment constantly.

    This was not after the bomb, but during the boom. Even kindergarten dropouts were getting

  35. [aargh, his submit too soon!}

    This was not after the bomb, but during the boom. Even kindergarten dropouts were getting job offers.

  36. Yes atrevete … u r right

    I can’t spell one or to

    I’m actually a girl-friday working for k-mart.

  37. I can’t tell if Alice has tongue firmly in cheek or not. I still need my morning coffee.

    I was goin’ 4 da BUTT-Hole

  38. So, Alice, you ARE overpaid.

  39. I get it — Alice Bowie is actually Prince! That explains it all.

  40. Yes…I’m over paid…but so is everyone else in NYC.

  41. Not me. I’m worth every penny.

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