Citizen Dobbs

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I mentioned this briefly last night but I wanted to find out some more about it—it's too chuck full of laffs to leave in a squib. Last week in his blockbuster CNN.com column, Lou Dobbs ordered a pox on both parties and predicted:

I believe that independent Americans will demand a far better choice than any of the candidates now seeking their party's nomination. I believe next November's surprise will be the election of a man or woman of great character, vision and accomplishment, a candidate who has not yet entered the race.

Earlier this week, Robert Novak told some conservative journos that Lou Dobbs was seriously considering a run for president. John Fund (a former Novak employee) poked around a bit.

Mr. Dobbs himself once told me that "Q" ratings that measure the popularity of media personalities found that no other media figure was more respected across the board by Democrats, Republicans and Independents. He claimed he was striking a chord with the broad middle class that transcended ideology.

It sounds like Dobbs, like Stephen Colbert before him, has a book to sell. And he does! It's "an independent populist's view of the critical issues and challenges" that face us, which is a mighty Luntzian way of saying "Mexicans." So this could be the kind of overwraught book-selling gambit that makes Dobbs a laughingstock or it could be a serious trial balloon for the effort to make him a bigger laughingstock. Dobbs has no doubt seen the Rasmussen poll that gives a third party kick 'em out candidate 30 percent of the vote, and he's watched Ron Paul's more Hofstadtian supporters pour money into that campaign out of fear of the North American Union. So I'd bet he's thinking about it. Space.com's loss is comedy's gain.

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  1. Something Dobbs said last night before the debate stuck with me.

    “To everyone watching tonight, and those not watching as well, as few as there may be…” He says this while hosing the pre-game of a primary debate on a cable news channel on a Thursday.

    The man has a vastly outsized opinion of his influence and popularity, so I wouldn’t put it past him.

  2. He’s no Stuart Varney.

  3. Now now, I see no reason to cite communists on Ron Paul supporters.

  4. WTF is wrong with him? Seriously, this man has some deep seeded problems that he needs to work out.

  5. Finally, a candidate with the courage to say what the entrenched politicians, with their special interests, don’t have the balls to say!

    All hail Dobbs!

  6. A few weeks ago, Howard Stern told a story about how he watched Lou Dobbs chain-smoke like 10 cigarettes in 15 minutes outside the CNN studios in Manhattan. He said it was absolutely fascinating to watch.

    If he does run, will he get the SubGenius vote on name-association?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs

  7. If my choices are Dobbs, Hillary, or Rudy, I may just have to leave the country.

    OK, I won’t actually leave the country; southern California is way too nice of a place to ever leave. But I’ll sure be pissed if those are my choices.

  8. Lou Dobb’s teeth are not white enough for him to be elected president.

  9. I said it first!

    Dobbs/ Buchanan ’08

    Any day now, they will come swooping into the race to scatter the pygmies.

  10. I suspect we’ve had Ron Burgundy as president for quite awhile now. Time for change. I’ll pass on Lou. I’ll pass on his book too.

  11. Rick Rubin for president.

    He’s a uniter, not a divider. He brings people together.

    You saw the Wallk this Way video; you know it’s true.

  12. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    In the words of Gary Larson:
    Oh please Oh please

  13. i would vote for a ron paul / rick rubin

    i would also consider making flood secretary of the interior.

    also supposedly my bloody valentine is doing a reunion so maybe we can make them cabinet members as well? so long as we pick people barbara streisand has never heard of we’re probably ok.

  14. I like it.
    ;
    Colm O’Coisig for Secretary of Bzzzzfffftttttttbbzzzzzzzzttttttkkkkksshhhhhhhhhhttttttttttaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  15. also i would make a reformed jesus and mary chain secretary of we’re old but that’s ok so i guess health and human services?

    hmm beyond that i wonder what the original lineup of napalm death is doing.

    also notice we’re mostly picking british citizens here this is a peek into the mind of america people.

  16. A Weigel Two-fer! Not only does he falsely and childishly try to pretend that the hugely popular concern over illegal immigration is just mean-spirited xenophobia, but he also tries to cast doubt on a plan that, in at least three appearances, VicenteFox recently toured the U.S. promoting. Note, of course, that Ron Paul has spoken out against this scheme:

    house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

    As for Dobbs, there’s a year until the vote. Now, imagine that it’s Hill v. Ruuudy, two candidates with huge problems. Imagine that people start taking my advice and go to their appearances and ask questions designed to point out the huge flaws in their policies. Several Youtube videos later of those two being revealed to be liars who can’t think things through, and millions of people might welcome a candidate who represents American interests.

  17. And to think I briefly liked Lou Dobbs when he left the reservation to start Space.com. Ha!

  18. Define “reformed” Jesus and Mary Chain.

    Because if you’re talking about putting them through a 12-step program and taking out the naughty language, I’m off the bus.

  19. Define “reformed” Jesus and Mary Chain.

    I assumed he meant Bobby.

  20. Dude, if the voting public gets turned off by candidates who are liars and can’t think things through, the last place they’re going to look for salvation is Lou “How Many Lepers Was That Again?” Dobbs.

  21. A Weigel Two-fer! Not only does he falsely and childishly try to pretend that the hugely popular concern over illegal immigration is just mean-spirited xenophobia

    Let’s be honest. That’s exactly what it is.

  22. A Weigel Two-fer! Not only does he falsely and childishly try to pretend that the hugely popular concern over illegal immigration is just mean-spirited xenophobia

    Let’s be honest. That’s exactly what it is.

    Except that there is no “hugely popular concern over illegal immigration,” which is why politicians aren’t getting any traction by harping on the issue.

    Just like there’s no North American Union and no NAFTA Superhighway.

    Someone should write a book called “The Immigration Delusion,” because the anti-immigration crowd is fighting against things that don’t even exist.

  23. Let’s be honest. That’s exactly what it is.

    Yes, anybody who believes that a nation should have borders is a bigot.

    Let me try to explain something to you all. We have this thing called a culture. People, naturally like their own culture. When a group of citizens tries to preserve that culture, it is called conservativism. You can have all the graphs and charts in the world showing the economic benefit of unrestricted immigration that changes the languages we speak, our social mores and the way the country looks and we still won’t care.

    Many libertarians are like liberals and Weigel, social misfits that have a hard time understanding that some of us like the world we grew up in. Or maybe many pro-open borders types are elites that live in gated communities far from the crime and poverty that is the blessing of diversity. The rest of us will keep on fighting.

  24. Except that there is no “hugely popular concern over illegal immigration,” which is why politicians aren’t getting any traction by harping on the issue.

    You might want to check with Eliot Spitzer on that.

  25. Got it. It’s not xenophobia; it’s just fear that it’s dangerous to allow people from other places to come here, because they are different, and will causes changes that will hurt us. Thanks for clearing that up, Chalupa.

    Law and order concern about a 12-million-person black market isn’t xenophobia.

    National security concerns about the security of the borders – whatever the merits of that argument – aren’t xenophobia.

    But nobody said those things were xenophobia. They said the anti-immigrant sentiment pumped out by Lou Dobbs is xenophobia.

  26. Hey, Chalupa, I live five blocks from a neighborhood with more Khmer speakers than English speakers.

    You and the rest of your lily-white suburban elitist buddies can kiss my multi-culti ass.

  27. Yes, anybody who believes that a nation should have borders is a bigot.

    No. Anybody who believes that one’s crossing a nation’s borders should be disallowed due to the place he was born is a bigot.

    …for loose definitions of bigot. I would say that the more common reason for resistance to immigration is protectionism, not outright bigotry. Anyone who can be tagged as a “them” and prevented from competing with “us” is going to be so tagged, with little actual malevolence intended.

  28. Anyone who claims they are only concerned about the illegal aspect, but who doesn’t propose an expansion of legal immigration, is lying to you.

  29. ” We have this thing called a culture. People, naturally like their own culture. When a group of citizens tries to preserve that culture, it is called conservativism. You can have all the graphs and charts in the world showing the economic benefit of unrestricted immigration that changes the languages we speak, our social mores and the way the country looks and we still won’t care.”

    It sure would be a shame to lose the “American culture” of El Pueblo de Nuestra Se?ora la Reina de los ?ngeles de Porci?ncula. To those frigin Mexicans.

  30. So let me get this straight. You all look at the candidates we will have to choose from and think “Oh yes. There much better than Lou Dobbs.”?

  31. Reason is for once correct. No one should vote for an IrishCatholic President. If LouDobbs wins, it is the end of our AngloSaxonRepublic.

  32. Or maybe many pro-open borders types are elites that live in gated communities far from the crime and poverty that is the blessing of diversity. The rest of us will keep on fighting.

    Yes, clearly as someone who grew up in a neighborhood with Vietnamese and Guatemalans, and now lives in an 80% black neighborhood like myself is clearly a wealthy elitist. I mean, you live in Boulder, thats a real urban jungle.

    Sorry Chalupa, if anyone is the elite, its you. Pot, meet kettle.

  33. Ending the eternal practice of having a large body of immigrants living in the United States would be a radical departure from our cultural tradition.

  34. You can have all the graphs and charts in the world showing the economic benefit of unrestricted immigration […] and we still won’t care.

    that’s cuz you wouldn’t understand ’em.

  35. Ending the eternal practice of having a large body of immigrants living in the United States would be a radical departure from our cultural tradition.

    Thank God someone finally pointed this out. The closed borders from 1921 to 1967 was the exception in American history, not the rule.

  36. People, naturally like their own culture.

    No, they like the culture that best suits them. There are lots of people kept out by the likes of you who prefer “our” culture.

    Or maybe many pro-open borders types are elites that live in gated communities far from the crime and poverty that is the blessing of diversity.

    Heh. Your whole philosophy rests on the notion of turning America into a “gated community”. And by the way, my beloved NYC remains the safest large city in America “despite” vast numbers of “different” people “polluting” MyLanguage and MyCulture.

  37. I’d like Chalupa to explain why some of the safest cities in America are places like New York, El Paso, and San Jose.

  38. …and why the city that saw the highest drop in crime in the nation during the 1990s – Lowell, Massachusetts – experienced that improvement a decade after 30,000 Cambodian refugees were settled here.

  39. Can’t say how New York does it, Cesar, but our Texas border towns seem to have outsourced their criminal violence across the border. The Mexican “half” of our border cities can be pretty effin’ dangerous.

    Blasted Mexicans. They’re taking our crimes, too!

  40. Yeah, border cities are a special case.

    People who believe in the free movement of people should be not just acknowledging, but trumpeting, the harms that our prohibitionist immigration policies are causing.

    And the crime and trespasses in border areas that RC mentions are very real, just as much as the gang shootings and bad-moonshine blindings during prohibition.

  41. Blasted Mexicans. They’re taking our crimes, too!

    R C wins the thread.

  42. Can’t say how New York does it, Cesar, but our Texas border towns seem to have outsourced their criminal violence across the border. The Mexican “half” of our border cities can be pretty effin’ dangerous.

    Border towns are different, thats true. But I think of the places in Virginia that are always ranked as having the lowest crime and unemployment. One of them is Arlington, hardly a lily-white suburb.

  43. R C Dean,

    I feel your pain.

    *Wobbles chin*

    *Bites lower lip*

  44. Can someone explain to me the fear factor re the NAFTA Superhighway and/or North American Union anyway?

    Seems as though redirecting our border resources towards ports and coastlines and instituting better policed work and student visa programs improves security, allows for better utilization of natural resources and labor forces, and is seemingly more consistent with laissez-faire capitalism and free trade (which Dobbs of all people, should welcome).

    But then of course I’m a biometrics ID, open borders nutcase.

  45. Chalupa:

    Give me a list of what constitutes our culture. Then give me a list of how immigrants endanger each one of these cultural components. But lets talk in concrete terms.

  46. If you don’t want blacks joining your white union because you don’t like blacks, you are a bigot.

    If you don’t want blacks joining your white union because you fear the competition will reduce your opportunities and compensation, you are a protectionist jerk, but probably don’t meet the consensus definition of bigot.

    But what if you don’t want blacks joining your white union because you fear the cultural changes to the union? What are you then?

  47. “Anyone who claims they are only concerned about the illegal aspect, but who doesn’t propose an expansion of legal immigration, is lying to you.”

    I agree with Joe here, speaking a person who is concerned about illegal immigration, mostly from a security aspect. If the rules covering legal immigration were more consistent and streamlined, fewer immigrants would be willing to accept the risk of deportation over the inconveniences of legal channels. Then we’d at least have some method to vet any risks posed by those 12 million, or whatever the number truly is.

    Coupled with expansion of legal immigration, it’s crucial to limit entitlements. The welfare/warfare system is already sinking our economy. Adding 12 million to the boat is great when they are here to help bail or paddle with their independent productive effort, just as immigrants have throughout most of America’s history. Adding 12 million and giving them immediate claim on the resources of existing citizens only hastens our push below the water line.

    But where these immigrants come from is not important to me. I’m not worried about them co-opting such fine and purely American traditions as pizza, hot dogs, St. Patrick’s Day, and Santa Claus. Even “Native Americans” aren’t native to America if one looks back far enough.

    As to the actual topic at hand, a third party candidate is very unlikely to succeed in the current structure. The two leading parties have put laws in place to assure that. After all, we don’t want people to be “confused by choices”.

  48. Isn’t it peculiar that no one clamors for a fence along the Canadian border, where most folks on the other side are white?

    How many of the 9/11 hijackers came in across the Mexican border?

    Instead of the cumbersome phrase, illegal immigrants, perhaps the haters should substitute the more descriptive term, darkies.

  49. Wow, how many straw men can be burnt in a single thread.

  50. “We have this thing called a culture. People, naturally like their own culture.”

    So that’s the connection between nature and culture! Well, grad school’s over for me then!

  51. You might want to check with Eliot Spitzer on that.

    If Lou Dobbs and talk radio attack you for two weeks straight, you’ll feel some heat. But people running for office on anti-immigration platforms are going nowhere.

  52. If Lou Dobbs and talk radio attack you for two weeks straight, you’ll feel some heat. But people running for office on anti-immigration platforms are going nowhere.

    Meanwhile, a bill to liberalize immigration went nowhere, too.

    We’ve got a system in which millions of people are in the country, looking for work, but they have an illegal status, which makes them subject to rousting by the police and threats by their bosses. We won’t do anything to stop them from coming, we won’t do anything to get rid of the people who are actually here, and we won’t do anything to legalize their status, so the structure of having 12 million easily-exploited, underserved people remains in place.

    The Marxists would say that we’re doing this deliberatly – purposely creating a class of easily-exploited workers that the owners of capital can exploit, underpay, and harrass, in order to take advantage of this lower labor cost and to drive down wages and conditions for all workers.

    I don’t buy the “deliberately” part, but that sure is how it’s working out.

  53. joe: now, keep thinking. Reason is, in effect, helping what you decry. We are never going to have an imm. policy anywhere similar to what Reason wants, so all their attempts to mislead and emotionalize this issue have only one ultimate effect: to enable more of that which you decry.

  54. No, TLB. By calling for the 12 million to be given legal status, they are proposing to undo the system I decry.

    You, on the other hand, are arguing that we should keep in place the prohibitionist laws at the heart of it all, in the naive belief that THIS TIME we really will be able to stop immigration.

    A liberalized immigration policy is at least technically feasible, as opposed to your fantasy-land theory about stopping immigration.

    Reason is like the people arguing for an end to prohibition. You are like the people saying we just need to send a few more cops to Chicago, and then the bootlegging will stop.

  55. I submit that anyone who wants to come to this country to work should have to pass a feat of strength first.

  56. Thank God someone finally pointed this out. The closed borders from 1921 to 1967 was the exception in American history, not the rule.

    Nope, wrong. More immigrants have come from 1965 to today that the previous three hundred years.

  57. And to you people who point out the Hispanic cities in America that are safe, a look at the statistics would show that those cities are safe in spite of the Hispanic population, not because of it.

    Hispanics commit 3-4 times more crime than whites. Yet it seems that the rule is that you can only point to things like crime statistics and drop out rates when they make non-whites look good, not when they make them look bad.

  58. Nope, wrong. More immigrants have come from 1965 to today that the previous three hundred years.

    No shit, there are more American citizens today than in the 1890s. But as a proportion of the population, foreign born people are about at the same percentage as they were in the 19th Century.

  59. Crime rates per 100,000 persons.

    Violent assault
    1960: 160.9
    2005: 469.2

    Murder
    1960: 5.1
    2005: 5.6

    Property Crime Rate
    1960: 1,726
    2005: 3,430

    I don’t feel like digging up out of wedlock births, but the difference is even more marked.

    How do liberals explain these things?

    My explanation is that is a combination of an increasing Hispanic population, the expansion of the welfare state chipping away at the idea of personal responsibility and giving incentives for out of wedlock births, less tight communities due to people naturally prefering the company of their own race and the entire culture of victimization. If I could sum it up in one word, it’s liberalism.

    But for Joe and his like, who support more hispanics, more government handouts, more diversity, etc what do you think?

    Something obviously has gone wrong since 1960 or so. I have my explanations, what are yours?

  60. “More immigrants have come from 1965 to today that the previous three hundred years.”

    and the US is stronger than ever.

    *rolls out welcome mat*

    Our country kicks ass, our culture kicks ass because it is so broad. New Americans add to the strength and beauty of our culture, our economy, our daily interactions. It is sad that you don’t see the incredible moment when a first generation-born American graduates from college – as the first one in the entire history of the family.

    Seeing that is watching the American dream unfold again and again. Immigration shines a light on our country’s success and on our success.

    Immigration is adding to our cultural stock. That means it is enriching our culture. It is enriching us. It gives a larger capacity to withstand shock and hardship. It gives us something to learn about our culture each and every day.

    I cannot express just how much pity (mixed with contempt) I feel for you and your fearful, ignorant brethren, Grand. It is such a shame that your take on our American culture is so weak, so feeble, that it can be shaken so easily, and that you insist on hiding behind a veil of lies.

    It is very sad. It is a shame. You’re missing out on something special. Something wonderful.

  61. I have no real problem with Dobbs views on immigration – I do have a huge problem with his isolationist economics views. He rails a lot about “Benedict Arnold” corporations, but he never offers solutions – I’m not sure what he intends to do, but if he wants to implement tariffs and other protectionist measures, the middle class will be tremendously hurt. Frankly, Dobbs has no grasp on how a free market economy works. Also, Dobbs is a rich man ($10 mil / year?), but I doubt he can self-finance his own campaign. He’s no Ross Perot – he’s crazier than Perot, but he’s not as rich. If he doesn’t get enough donations, will he have to resort to accepting corporate contributions? I say the chance of Dobbs running is slightly lower than when pigs fly.

  62. Our country kicks ass, our culture kicks ass because it is so broad. New Americans add to the strength and beauty of our culture, our economy, our daily interactions. It is sad that you don’t see the incredible moment when a first generation-born American graduates from college – as the first one in the entire history of the family.

    Seeing that is watching the American dream unfold again and again. Immigration shines a light on our country’s success and on our success.

    Immigration is adding to our cultural stock. That means it is enriching our culture. It is enriching us. It gives a larger capacity to withstand shock and hardship. It gives us something to learn about our culture each and every day.

    I cannot express just how much pity (mixed with contempt) I feel for you and your fearful, ignorant brethren, Grand. It is such a shame that your take on our American culture is so weak, so feeble, that it can be shaken so easily, and that you insist on hiding behind a veil of lies.

    It is very sad. It is a shame. You’re missing out on something special. Something wonderful.

    Hispanics graduate from college well into the third generation at a lower rate than every group except blacks.

    And this country is stronger than ever by what measure? Is the increase in GDP worth quadroupling the crime rate, ten times the out of wedlock births and rates of STDs and drug use that were unthinkable fifty years ago?

    Don’t let facts get in the way of your we are the world fantasies.

  63. Grand:

    How do liberals explain these things?

    Well, you’re not presenting the full picture. Assaults and murder rates were much higher from the 80s to the mid 90s, when, coincidentally, illegal immigration surged. Crime across the country has decreased markedly since the mid-90s. Not sure about national statistics, but in Los Angeles, many of the crime statistics are the lowest since the 1950s. And certainly, LA has one of the highest percentages of illegal immigrants.

    And another thing – the US economy went on its greatest and longest expansion in history starting from the mid-90s, until about 2000. Coincidentally, that’s also when illegal immigration surged. So from a statistical view, illegal immigration coincided with a huge national drop in crime and our biggest economic expansion ever. Explain that, Grand???

  64. If it’s not clear, I mean illegal immigration surged starting in the mid-90s. About that time, violent crime dropped markedly, and our economy went on its biggest expansion ever.

  65. “Imagine that people start taking my advice and go to their appearances and ask questions designed to point out the huge flaws in their policies. Several Youtube videos later of those two being revealed to be liars who can’t think things through, and millions of people might welcome a candidate who represents American interests.”

    People are going to take LoneWacko’s advice and swing the election !! This has to be a new high in blog megalomania …

  66. Crime rates per 100,000 persons.

    Violent assault
    1960: 160.9
    2005: 469.2

    Murder
    1960: 5.1
    2005: 5.6

    Property Crime Rate
    1960: 1,726
    2005: 3,430

    GC: All crime stats are, to repurpose a phrase, local. This isn’t my multicultural community. I also suggest that increased reporting, as it does with many things, create it’s own trends where none exists…but that’s just one explanation.

  67. Don’t let facts get in the way of your we are the world fantasies.

    If I have any fantasies along this line, they are “I am an individual and so is everybody regardless of where they were born” fantasies. Or perhaps “governments are instituted among men to secure individual rights” fantasies.

    As for “we are the world” fantasies, it appears to be you who is succumbing to collectivism, supplanting “I am an individual” fantasies with “we are the US” fantasies.

  68. Hispanics graduate from college well into the third generation at a lower rate than every group except blacks.

    Yes, but is that an effect of being Hispanic, or is that due to the fact that the majority of Mexicans that immigrate here are usually from deprived backgrounds, with no family or community tradition of educational achievement?

    I’d be interested in seeing what the data for Mexicans in Mexico looks like, taking into account all levels class and economic circumstances. I’ve known some pretty damn smart Mexicans….

  69. I have no real problem with Dobbs views on immigration – I do have a huge problem with his isolationist economics views. He rails a lot about “Benedict Arnold” corporations, but he never offers solutions – I’m not sure what he intends to do, but if he wants to implement tariffs and other protectionist measures, the middle class will be tremendously hurt.

    Yep, that is exactly right, but not only the middle class: tariffs also hurt the poor, much more so than the middle class.

    His views on immigration are a little strange: He’s against immigration because he thinks it hurts American jobs, as if Americans were lining up to pick lettuce or tomatoes. Immigrant laborers release important resources (Americans) for more productive endeavors. The relatively low unemployment rate (4 to 5%) is indication of this. In contrast, a country with very low immigration like Sweden has a very HIGH unemployment rate, around 18% (hidden behind fudged government statistics that do not report welfare recipients)

    Frankly, Dobbs has no grasp on how a free market economy works.

    He has no grasp of economics, period. The guy is an idiot: Once he invited a good friend of him to his show, and the mere mention of something as important and obvious as “comparative advantage”, mentioned by that friend to explain outsourcing, was enough for the ignoramus to roll his eyes and make funny faces.

  70. I’d be interested in seeing what the data for Mexicans in Mexico looks like, taking into account all levels class and economic circumstances. I’ve known some pretty damn smart Mexicans….

    With Public Schools being run by a Teachers Union that wastes time rioting, you can imagine that things in Mexico are just as bad as in the USA, with kids barely able to read, write or count – again, JUST like in the US.

    HOWEVER (a BIG however), PRIVATE SCHOOLS are VERY CHEAP in Mexico, because almost anybody can open a school without bureaucrats arriving guns-a-blazing touting zoning regulations, licenses, and other impediments. You just have to register your school with the Federal Department of Education and comply (somewhat) with the “authorized” curriculum, and that is it. Many people open a new kindergarten in their own homes (!!!). Private schools in Mexico are top class in many instances, or at least, better than the public schools, even compared to the USA.

    So, it all depends…. I take ANY private school in Mexico against American public jails-for-kids, euphemistically called “schools” in Gringo-land.

  71. To everyone watching tonight, and those not watching as well, as few as there may be…

    There’s nothing in this world as sad as someone who believes his own bullshit.

  72. Are “Q” ratings really that high for a man who does not brush his teeth?

  73. Any Lou Dobbs political ad that included him with an image of the Constitution is akin to Lionel Hutz’s newspaper ad.

    “That should read: ‘Free Contingency? No, deposit required.’ And this Bar Association logo shouldn’t be here either….”

  74. Chalupa,

    The surging crime between 1960 and the mid-90s was primarily an urban phenomenon, as was mainly the result of 1) the economic effects of the de-industrialization and dis-investement in traditional manufacturing centers, 2) the disruption of urban communities by Urban Renewal and the Interstate Highway System.

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