"Groton Cannot Lose" and the Foreign Policy Implications Thereof
Financial Times profiles Louis Auchincloss, a marvelous novelist and short story writer who aims his observant and calm eye mostly on the shifting mores of New York's monied and professional classes. I've read a lot of Auchincloss (though not nearly as much as the prolific 89-year-old has written), and never with anything less than pleasure and admiration.
An observation of his with some political interest:
"I used to say to my father," he says, "?'If my class at Yale ran this country, we would have no problems.' And the irony of my life is that they did." He pauses before invoking a 20th-century American foreign-policy who's who: "There was Cy Vance, Bill Scranton, Ted Beale, both Bundys, Bill and McGeorge – they all got behind that war in Vietnam and they pushed it as far as they could. And we lost a quarter of a million men. They were all idealistic, good, virtuous," says Auchincloss, "the finest men you could find. It was the most disillusioning thing that happened in my life."
Auchincloss has struggled to understand just how their shared patrician background could have produced this disconnect. And the answer would appear to be that wars are lost, if not always made, on the playing fields of New England. "Bill Bundy and I shared a study at Groton, and one day he came in from a football game, and I said: 'Who won?' and he said: 'We lost,' and then he burst into tears. You cannot lose. Groton cannot lose. That's what they believed in, no matter what," explains Auchincloss. "They all would have all been willing to die, if they hadn't already been in high positions. They believed America cannot lose. We stand for every virtue and right that's in the world."
I dare say, as a certain type of Auchincloss character might put it, that that mentality has a strong hold on the "American greatness" types who can't imagine America ever admitting to--or even ever making--a foreign policy blunder. And in failing to admit to blunders, they fall into crimes. Which, pace Talleyrand, are usually worse.
UPDATE: Check out Nick Gillespie's 2005 account of how he nearly got to meet Auchincloss--a man whose family Nick's grandmother used to work for as a cook and servant. The portentous Gillespie-Auchincloss cross-generational reunion was, alas, foiled by some of those outmoded WASP codes. Which ones? RTFA, as an Auchincloss would never say.
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"...they all got behind that war in Vietnam and they pushed it as far as they could. And we lost a quarter of a million men."
Is this some kind of upper class humour my lowly caste is too dumb to understand? I thought the U.S. death count was more like 60,000.
I dare say, that that mentality has a stronger hold on the American Greatness flock. The shepherds generally lead us into wars they can make money on.
Maybe by "lost" he was speaking in the abstract. Like we "lost" hippies who might otherwise have done something more productive with their time than protest the war, and we "lost" Chicago cops who kicked the shit out of the hippies for protesting. I dunno. I was just a kid who was preoccupied with torturing frogs.
If we're going to do pop psychoanalysis here, I think we can't discount the "family annihilator" connection either.
The family annihilator is typically a guy who believes that his family can't survive without him, so if he suffers some reverse or failure he kills his entire family rather than have them "suffer".
That sounds like our Iraq policy at this juncture. We "know" that the Iraqis will be "doomed" if we abandon them - and if that means we have to kill every last one of them to avoid being forced to let them "suffer" the absence of Daddy USA, that's just what we're going to have to do.
Billy Awesome,
A little over 58,000 currently. As I've read online the MIA issue makes the exact count somewhat tricky.
Ed--Good attempt at a save for Mr. A, but I think it most likely that he doesn't know off the top of his head how many Americans died in Vietnam and just picked a big number he thought might be in the ballpark. Unless one is confident that losing 60K men in Vietnam was worth it and 250K not, it doesn't matter for the point he was trying to make.
it doesn't matter for the point he was trying to make
Right. It's like arguing whether Armstrong actually said "a" man.
Perhaps the Vietnam figure is meant to include the wounded, or allied casualties [i.e. the Australians and ARVN].
Groton? WTF is he talking about, Sacred Heart?
As has been observed elsewhere, "idealistic, good, virtuous" men ran the Confederacy as well.
Fluffy,
Well, ARVN by itself suffered over a million casualties (killed and wounded).
Anyway, from the figures that I have looked at I'd imagine that he's referring to the total number of American killed and wounded, which is over a quarter of a million.
And the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton. So the Brits became full of themselves and the Dons and their Oxbridge students led their soldiers into WWI slaughter {and then pre-WWII appeasement} thinking that if the team just had spirit and
tried a little harder.
Smells like Brit spirit?
As I recall, Christopher Lasch made a similar observation about his class at Harvard.
Anon
Implication #1: Rudy Can't Fail
and
Implication #2: Charlie Don't Surf
creech,
Isn't the quote attributed to Wellington about Eton and playing fields mythical?
They all would have all been willing to die, if they hadn't already been in high positions.
Uh-huh.
Insofar as they act as a finishing school for "governing class" dweebs, Harvard and Yale are a blight on this country.
I apologize for the numbers thing. That is surely not the point of the original. The uptight nerd in me (which is about 98% of me) had a freakout.
We've got people whose self-identity revolves around their superior understanding of security threats, compared to softy, wimpy, pacifist liberals - the Jack Nicholson speech in A Few Good Men.
And we've got people whose self-identity revolves around their superior judgement on public policy matters, compared to reckless, ignorant, thoughtless people who don't make governance the center of their lives.
And the facts on the ground have proven that neither of these groups have been able to understand and response to the "threat" posed by Iraq as well as the people they look down on. Their judgement hasn't just proven to be inferior to people like Bob Graham and Robert Byrd. It's been proven to be inferior to people like Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Boxer, and a bunch of dirty fucking hippies with big puppets.
If the macho men at National Review (heh) and the Big Giant Brains at the Brookings Institute can't maintain their sense of superiority to the people, like Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders, who've been proven right about this war, then they have to completely rethink their understanding of themselves and their world.
That's hard for anyone. Look at the old leftists who still can't bring themselves to admit that Alger Hiss was a spy.
If my class at Yale ran... He pauses before invoking a 20th-century American foreign-policy who's who: "There was Cy Vance, Bill Scranton, Ted Beale, both Bundys, Bill and McGeorge - they all got behind that war in Vietnam and they pushed it as far as they could.
Himself a Polish-American Catholic, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the geo-strategist who served as National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, said that the fall of Viet Nam initiated the "collapse of the Wasp ruling elite".
"We stand for every virtue and right that's in the world.""
No one else has ever thought that about themselves before.
Billy Awesome,
I think a lot of us were puzzled by the statement.
I'm an Auchincloss fanboy, discovered him in the the late 90's, have read something like a billion of his books since, and am looking forward to his new book "The Headmaster's Dilemma". Problem with Auchincloss is, more than any other writer, he writes pretty much the same book over and over again. Other issue is, you couldn't really tell from reading his books about how the wasp establishment has been affected by changes in America society (the vietnam war, etc) if you didn't alerady know it. All that is dealt with in an offhanded way, to the side of the main narrative about the protagonist and the 16 WASP women.
And we've got people whose self-identity revolves around their superior judgement on public policy matters, compared to reckless, ignorant, thoughtless people who don't make governance the center of their lives.
Spoken like a true libertarian, joe. You're coming around.